Bosh Told Colangelo He Won’t Re-sign?

again, i like our team more than the raptors’, let’s just sign him in 2010.

I would put our chances of landing Bosh at less than 2%.

Bosh is definitely one of the guys we’d like to look at in 2010. If we want to avoid giving David Lee a contract extension so he does not kill our cap flexibility in 2 years why don’t we try and make a move for Bosh now? Having Bish in tow would increase our chances of landing Lebron, or Wade in 2010 and gives us a chance at winning now. As much as I like Lee, Bosh is a much better player and I really like what he provides. Inside, high percentage scoring, rebounding, shot blocking and height. He is o a superstar, the type of player a team builds winning around. He’s be a better Amare Stoudemire in Dantoni’s system.

I worked the following trade using the rade machine and it works under NBA rules:

Tor PF – Chris Bosh
Tor PG – Will Solomon

for

NYK PF – David Lee
NYK SF – Al Harrington
NYK SG – Nate Robinson

Why the Pacers do it – Lee, Harrington, and Robinsons contract all expire this year. Along with their other expiring contracts they would have a little more than $44M coming off the books at the end of this season allowing them to rebuild and be players in the 2009 FA class (Kobe Bryant, Carlos Boozer, Shawn Marion, Steve Nash, Allen Iverson, Ron Artest, Lamar Odom, Hedo Turkoglu, Rip Hamilton, Mike Bibbiy, Andre Miller…etc). They could choose to resign all three acquired Knicks, and Jermaine O’neal to a more reasonable contract and still have something left to get help at shooting guard. The Raptors could look like this in 2009:

C – Jermaine Oneal
PF- David Lee
SF – Al Harrington
SG – Allen Iverson or Rip Hamilton
Pg – Jose Calderon

with Nate Robinson providing scoring/sparkplug off the bench and Bargnani providing depth with Oneal and Lee as interchangeable big men.

Why the Knicks do it: The chance to have their first certifiable big man since Patrick Ewing left the team. To have the type of player that premier players (Lebron James) around the league would want to play with. The team doesnot impact it’s flexibility for 2010. A roster spot frees up that will allow the Knicks to acquire the additonal guard they need without losing leverage in the Marbury situation. or they could now bring in fan favorite and energy player Patrick Ewing Jr.

The Knicks post trade could looke like:

Starters
C – Chris Bosh
PF – Jared Jeffries
SF – Wilson Chandler
SG – Quentin Richardson
PG – Chris Duhon

Bench
PF – Danilo Galinari
SF – Tim Thomas
PG – Will Solomon
SF – Patrick Ewing Jr
SG – Anthony Roberson
C – Eddy Curry
PF – Malik Rose

I know some might look at this and say it’s too much for us to give up but I think that’s laughable. Bosh would become a mega-star in New York and the the kind of guy other stars want to play with. Despite giving up a lot of talent I still believe it makes the Knick better this year and next year even.

Bosh could have a huge impact on 2010 as if the Heat get him for Marion then Wade definitely stays in Miami leaving the Knicks less attractive to Tier 1 superstars. The Knicks appeal rests on what superstars they could pair together and if it’s perceived that New York has tons of cap room but inferior talent then 2010 becomes a tough sell. I think the Knicks should be aggresive on this. Strike now while Lee and Robinsons trade value is at an all time high. Give the fans something to do besides wait for 2010. Get a guy you could build around even if you do strike out on Lebron, Wade or Stoudemire.

Qaspec

i just can’t understand giving up our three best players for a guy we can easily sign in less than two years.

I think this is great news. I too think its is far fetched to get Bosh now, but I think a Lee, Harrington and Rose for Bosh and Kapono isn’t that terrible of a deal for the Raptors. And I think it would be marvelous for the Knicks. If the Raptors wanted to try and woo Lee for two years, this could work.

I’d rather keep our players and build around them. A D’Antoni system is built more around multiple parts as opposed to one or two superstars and a bunch of schleps. We have already seen that Lee is thriving in this system. I’d also rather have Howard on 2011 than any of the guys available in 2010.

Forgot to add that I would like to see us get Joe Johnson in 2010.

Dwight Howard? He is signed through 2013
I would love to have Bosh here.. but he comes at the expense of D Lee.. which I’ve no problem with.obviously..

just to be repetitive.. you cant add Bosh and Lebron and have Lee on the roster at 10 plus mil a year.

Getting Bosh could be dangerous because he would still be in a position to sign with Cleveland or Miami in 2010, unless he’s willing to sign an extension as soon as he gets traded.

Dealing Lee for Bosh would be great but the Raptors wouldn’t be attractive enough to resign Lee this summer. I guess we’d have to make a three-way deal if we want to make a trade for Bosh.

Getting Anthony Randolph by trading Nate Robinson is the priority in my opinion, because the kid could be special one day… and the price is cheaper now.

Would the Kings accept this?

Knicks get: Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas, Mikki Moore

Kings get: Marburry, Curry, 2nd round draft picks or not.

when a player is already on your team and he hits free agency, does it effect what you can do with the cap?

oh… and by the way… from a couple threads ago…

2011 – Tim Duncan?

when a player is on team A and declared free agency team A has two options. Retain their rights to the player and allocate 120% of the players last years salary off their cap or renounce the player and free up the cap room.

If the team retains their rights to the player they can go over the salary cap to resign the player and can offer him a larger contract in terms of years and annual raises than any other team

If the team renounces their rights to the player they recoup the cap space from the players last year salary and can use it to sign other players. IF they then want to try to resign the player they have to fit them under the cap and can not offer them a more attractive contract in terms of annual raises or years.

Tim Duncan is not a free agent until 2012/13

I could see the Pistons making a big play for Lee this off season..

They are clearing 20 mil in cap room with Iverson and Rasheed expiring.. They NEED to rebuild on the fly.. I DONT see them holdingthat much cap room for 2010.

Lebron/Wade/Bosh is a pipe dream for them.. Why not use the money in 2009/10??

Lee would make a great replacement for Sheed in their system and still give them enough room under the cap to sign someone like Andre Miller or another point to replace AI.

Is the Pistons off Lee something like five years and 60 million structured like 13/14/12/11/10 they would still have 7 mil to go find a guard

Giving them a big three of Rip, TPrince and Lee ..with Amir Johnson and Stuckey as the young up and comers..

I hope Dumars doesnt read this.

You got to be kidding me! Bosh telling Colangelo that he will not sign? I guess Stephen A. Smith has nothing better than to listen to someone who heard someone else say that he thought he heard Bosh might have said that, etc. You get my point. Smith likes to see himself in the news as much as possible and blow his own horn. Will Bosh walk from the Raptors? Don’t know at this time. What I do know is that Bosh nor Colangelo would pass on that snippet of information to our dear Stephen A. Smith. Both are professionals and Smith is a rumor monger. Nuff said.

Like I said, Detroit, Cleveland and then maybe Miami and Portland will be in a great position to sign David Lee.

Lee may be the key to the Knicks’ future, depending on how this whole situation turns out. Many people underrate the importance of his contract, it’s not your case obviously but you know what I mean.

he is on that realgm list as an unrestricted FA in 2011…

and I assume they have to renounce or retain their rights before the rest of the FA class becomes available…

I don’t think so. This rumor is real in my opinion, at least it does make sense. The Raptors had everything to build a great team around Bosh, but they failed to make it. Bosh won’t be a Raptor anymore in 2 years, this franchise isn’t going anywhere.

By the way… I am assuming that if the Raptors trade Bosh, they will look for younger players under contract for a while.

For us, Bosh would cost either Gallo or Chandler.

that list is dreadfully out of date.. Duncan extended for two years in Nov 2007

SAN ANTONIO — Tim Duncan has agreed to a two-year, $40 million contract extension with the San Antonio Spurs, an official familiar with the negotiations said Tuesday.

The agreement will add to Duncan’s existing three-year deal and keep him in San Antonio at least through the 2011-12 season,

there are specific dates set when players have to declare free agency and teams have to renounce or retain rights..

To be honest with everyone, I can see the Raptors waiting until this summer to deal Bosh. I feel like dealing him now would be a bit rushed.

If the OKC Thunder get the first pick in the draft, I can see them making a play and trying to re-sign Bosh before he hits the open market. I would assume that Bosh would be thrilled to be paired with Durant and Westbrook.

A deal involving:

OKC gets: Bosh, Toronto 1st round pick

Toronto gets: Earl Watson, OKC 1st round pick (if it is the #1 overall pick), Jeff Green, and Nick Collison

That would be a lot, but it might take even more than that. If Colangelo deals Bosh for expiring contracts, or low first round picks, I would be shocked.

As far as OKC is concerned, I would do that in a second. That type of move would catapult (spelling?) them into being a legit competitive team.

Gallinari can’t be traded, I mean that would be stupid, even for Bosh. We just can’t trade Gallo.

ah…

you are da man

I talk way too much about the Thunder, but when it comes to this type of stuff, they have three things that allow them to be in every conversation:

Young tradable talent in Jeff Green and the rights to Serge Ibaka (name?… the guy they drafted out of France)

A ton of draft picks, including theirs this off-season which will be in the top 3 (most likely)

Cap space

If walsh could get bosh In the trade propsed I would do it in a heartbeat, Bosh is a much better player than Lee. I love Lee but Bosh in this system would be an absolute monster. Howerever I believe that the raptors are going to want more than Lee who is gone after this season and Harrington who will be gone after next. Jefferies is not going to be in this deal either raptors wont want him. Thinking about this from a raptors perspective their going to want talent that is tied for a few years. Their probably going to ask for Lee, Harrington and probably Wilson Chandler. Thats a tough package for the knicks to give but The raptors are not going to give up bosh for two players who are not going to be there long term and a through in that has a bad contract. Something working in our favor however is the fact that our package in my opinion is more attractive than the Heat. Figure they will offer marion, possibly beasley, and maybe a player like banks. I like david lee and Al over marion who IMO is really overrated and beasley who is not as good as advertised. The mavs on the other hand can offer say josh howard, brandon bass and jerry stackhouse. (By the way I’m not looking at salaries so i could be wrong with how the salaries match up) This is more attractive than the knicks offer. Walse can’t afford to sit still on this one IMO because like stated above if miami and the raptors find some deal that works than that shoots holes in our 2010 plan because bosh and wade will resign with miami. This deal will also change our aggresivness in 2010 because we wont have to re-sign lee witch makes us more flexable and it would be an easy sell for trading lee because your bringing in a superstar in bosh. So there you have it i think if there is a trade their we should be agressive.

Hey by the way the post above was my first here although it was my first post i have been reading this blog for a while now great job all around in running this site hope to comment more in the future.

NY_TJ- I appreciate your comments. I hope that you continue reading and discussing here in the comment section.

I have to disagree with you on one point. Josh Howard, Stack, and Bass is not nearly as good of a package as Lee, Al, and Wilson.

If I was the GM of the Raptors and Walsh offered that deal to me, then assuming I can lock up Lee, I would pull that trigger. As good as Bosh is, what has he done since he has been there in terms of winning?

I would NEVER trade David Lee plus Wilson “Stephen Jackson” Chandler for Chris Bosh. That’s too much.

Oh so now there are 2 Jalen Roses out there.who might just be saying this just to get Bosh traded. Even if this were true, Colangelo won’t automatically trade Bosh right away because trading Jermaine O”Neal and maybe even Jason Kapono is supposed to be the team’s priority right now and if they get 1 or 2 good wing players by the start of next season they could improve enough to convince Bosh to re-sign or to at the very least use his player option to stay with the team 1 more season thus becoming one of the best free agents in 2011. Colangelo would be foolish to be in a hurry to trade Bosh because it would end up being another Carter situation which would ultimately cost him his job. Even if he did trade Bosh it would be smarter to trade him in 2010 otherwise none of the top 2010 free agents will sign with Toronto. Plus Mark Cuban wouldn’t trade Dirk and has already publicly stated that he won’t trade Josh Howard, so that leaves Jason Kidd or Jason Terry plus expiring contract players or draft picks but Jermaine O’Neal’s contract more closesly matches Kidd’s than Bosh’s and to get Kidd Toronto would have to make the trade by this season although with how hard it took to bring Kidd to Dallas, why would Colangelo risk trying to get him when he could try to get Nash instead even if they lost Bosh? but he’s already satisfied with Calderon running the point as it is, so all that rambling shows how ridiculous the chances are of Bosh being traded to Dallas and that it leaves teams like Miami, Phoenix, Cleveland, Detroit to be the top contenders, not Dallas. If Bosh does get traded I would want it to be to Phoenix for Amare Stoudemire *wishes the Raptors forum would let me sign up to request this trade*.

I’d give Lee and Chandler in a heartbeat. We have too many SF/PFs. As of now, we have Chandler and Gallo who (barring trade) will be here in 2010 and Harrington who wants to. Plus, our goal would be to add two more big players, with the best case being Lebron (SF) or Amare/Bosh (PF). We need to turn some of these swingmen into big guys, and Bosh is as big and consistent as they come.

A guy of Bosh’s caliber would require Lee, Chandler, and a third player (Nate maybe?) + cap filler (have not looked at the contracts) and probably a pick.

I’d do whatever it takes to have this guy already at 2010. He definitely re-ups here for the most he can get, and then we have Bosh, Gallo (+2 years of experience and hopefully weight gain), and either Al/Duhon holdover, and a pretty attractive roster for Lebron or Wade to decide to come play for.

I see Bosh as the most attainable of the Big 3 (Lebron, Wade, Bosh), because Lebron has the hometown ties and a championship caliber roster, Wades got Miami as a premier FA destination and a young gun in Beasley, while Bosh has the least attractive city in basketball and a team going nowhere.

Even so, I’d trade the house to gaurentee we get him. Half these guys wont be here anyway and how many minutes does Chandler get if we have Lebron?

Anytime you can trade two really good players for a superstar, you do it.

Chris- I see what your saying I was a bit unclear before though I meant that Lee and Harrington aren’t as good as a package mavs can put together but after thinking about it a bit more and realizing bass contract (i thought it was cheap locked up for a few years) I would def take lee and harrington over howard and bass.
To trading lee and Chandler it might be worth it I think as good as lee looks in this system and as much as i like his effort on both ends, there is much bosh can bring to the table that Lee cannot. Plus would you rather pair a superstar with lee or bosh. Make no mistake abot it I think this is the choice considering if we dont trade lee than we probably re-sign him which kills the cap space in 2010 unless we can find anybody to take curry (unlikely). As much as i like wil’s potential and his defense it might be a decision that needs to be made. hopefully we can get a deal done without him though say Nate, Lee and Harrington

Trading a lot for Bosh wouldn’t make sense unless he agrees to sign an extension right after he gets traded. We can’t risk losing Lee plus Chandler for nothing.

Wilson Chandler has the potential to be an all-star, we have to be aware of that. And I don’t see how David Lee could be willing to resign in Toronto this summer anyways.

Mucha- You are right with that. He would have to sign an extension before the summer of 2010.

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I think should Bosh join the team he will sign an extension beyond 2010 because the Knicks have Dantoni (players like him), they have cap space to get him help in 2010 (Lebron, or Wade or 2 good players) and it’s New York. The majority of your paycheck is taken by taxes in Canada and just by coming to New York he would make more money not including the increased opportunity for endorsements. If Bosh was traded here he re-signs long term, no doubt.

Which brings me back to my point, someone earlier said…”i just can’t understand giving up our three best players for a guy we can easily sign in less than two years.”

My argument to that is :

1) Our 3 “best” players are good to nice players that have not been able to carry this team. Bosh is a talent that can do that with the right system and coaching. I proposed Lee, Harrington and Robinson for Bosh and I don’t believe Harrington or Robinson will be better than Gallo and Chandler in 2 years. We should hope so even without any trades.

2) There is not much difference talent wise between the potential of our 3 best players and players 4 through 6 .

3) By getting a superstar that other players want to play with before leaving it up to free agency you secure a player that increases your ability to add other talented quality players easily and many times at a bargain. Remember, Boston used a similiar strategy when they attempted to obtain Garnett. He initially refused but when Ainge was able to obtain Ray Allen he dropped his block of the trade and agreed to go to the Celtics. This opened the way for Boston to add depth at a discount rate because good players clamored to play with that nucleus.

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