The deadline is coming!

I would like to see the knicks get involved a three team trade w/ GS, PHX……try n get Barbosa, A. Randolph, Belleneli….I posted a possible trade scenario in the Anthony Randolph post but I don’t see the Knicks giving up that much

I’m more anxious than anything because this trade deadline may be crucial to the Knicks’ future. Donnie Walsh has to make a deal for a talented young player because what we have (see Gallinari & Chandler) is really not enough. Michael Beasley and Anthony Randolph should be the main targets in my opinion, and their contracts would be a perfect match for 2010-2011.

Beasley just had a great game tonight though, but I believe that Riley would rather have Stoudemire who’d make the Heat a contender and convince Dwyane Wade to resign. I don’t know if that’s nothing more than a rumor but the Grizzlies may be involved in a three-way deal that would send Gay, Conley and Warrick to Phoenix. Wouldn’t Lee, Robinson and Malik Rose be a better package?

You know that I’d love to see Randolph in blue and orange. If Crawford decides to opt out – and he’s reportedly willing to do it – the Warriors would have enough space to resign Lee this summer and add him to a talented core of Jackson, Ellis, Wright and Biedrins. So those are my scenarios, nothing new though.

1. THE KNICKS GET ANTHONY RANDOLPH AND GOLDEN STATE’S FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK (OR A PROTECTED FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK) FOR DAVID LEE.

2. THE KNICKS GET ANTHONY RANDOLPH FOR NATE ROBINSON AND A PROTECTED FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK.

3. THE KNICKS GET MICHAEL BEASLEY AND MARK BLOUNT, THE HEAT GET AMARE STOUDEMIRE AND THE SUNS GET DAVID LEE, NATE ROBINSON AND MALIK ROSE.

Not sure about trading N8 ’til after the season. Let’s take a look @ the roster since training camp:
Knicks – Steph – Crawford – Mobley – Roberson + an injured Q + an injured Duhon = trading N8. Unless we’re tanking, I don’t understand the logic.

Side note from “Can’t Call A Tech there…”That wasn’t short sighted 101, that was real talk 101. Gallo will have success in this league b/c of his size and jump shot but his defensive and athletic deficiencies are far too much to overcome. And since when does high IQ not include knowing the fundamentals of defense? I hate when people think a nice jumper & stiff legs equate high IQ and flashy, athletic players are merely freaks of nature ( Not singling you out Tommy, just a generalization on most sports writers).

Gallo has a nice offensive repertoire for his size, but he probably will not be able to utilize it in the NBA like he did in Italy. His lack of athleticism won’t allow him to do so. This isn’t Larry Legend back in the 80s. The players are bigger and faster now.

The Grizzlies and suns deal fell through……..I believe Heisley said the suns were asking to much and I dont blame him Gay, Conley, Warrick are a much better package than Lee, Robinson, Rose…..gay is a star, Conley has improved his game, Warrick has been a great player to have on ur team he brings a good game off the bench

That’s a poor generalization about Galli. No one was talking about his d when he had a 5 game stretch of about +50.

all rookies need to improve, the short sided-ness is based on someone saying it was a bad pick 20 games into his career.

No one has any idea what any rookie is going to be. it’s a sense and I, as well as the knicks front office, think he’s a major piece moving forward.

It makes no sense to say “we could have had him” at this point.

It’s time for fans to get over it.

Perhaps, but if the Suns were asking for too much, the fact that Lee/Robinson/Rose is a slightly less attractive offer in your opinion gives credibility to my suggestion. And I’d even add a protected pick if necessary.

tommy do u think sitting gallo on the 2nd game of the first back-to back hurt him (the philly game not his debut) since he sat that game out he seems he has not been the same

I think there may be something to that, or maybe he’s just getting his conditioning down. Teams are starting to scout him, and maybe he lost some of that swagger. that may be a little fatigue.

he’s got to step his game up tho, as you can see fans in this town aren’t very patient with him for some reason because “the grass is always greener.”

Tommy, “short sided-ness”, is that a Freudian shot across N8′s bow?!?, just joking!!! I would absolutely put together some package to get Anthony Randolph, he fits MD’s system perfectly, reasonably solid off the ball defender and athletic enough on the O,particularly if they can tone his enthusiasm down a bit, plus he’s another 20 year-old.Absent a decent post defender, DW shouldn’t make any other moves. I played against Murphy in college, bastard padded his stats every game, and as blasphemous as this might sound, N8 is starting to remind me of Calvin, unstoppable on offense and much stronger than he appears,especially if he catches the edge. I would absolutely let the market set his salary level, sign him and if the number is too high, trade him next season. I’d actually like to see Duhon sit a few more games and get a better feel of N8 running the show, knowing he’s got no backup.

Tommy, also meant to agree with your Kerr comment and would throw in Ainge,who was “handed” the gift from McHale.

My boy Chris Watson finished second to Calvin in all time scoring at Niagara. He’s since been passed and is 3rd or 4th.

where did you play?

Nate at the 1 is a scary thought, but he did work last night.

Let’s see.

That Vince Carter to Cleveland rumor is a nightmare scenario for us.

It likely opens them up to blow us out of the water for Lee. Which would be unfortunate and embarrassing.

Its clear Nate will get at least the mid level in an offer sheet.. A sign and trade puts us at a disadvantage as we are limited in what we can extract. It looks like he is a goner.

Malik has to go by the deadline. Im sure Jimmy D can find the coin to take some salary on for next year.

Marbury likely stews until March 1 then heads off to Greece of Italy

Snacks could be interesting. He will obviously be bought out of his option this off season but is there an injury/insurance advantage to including him in a deal before then? Or this summer?

this should get interesting.

1. THE KNICKS GET ANTHONY RANDOLPH AND GOLDEN STATE’S FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK (OR A PROTECTED FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK) FOR DAVID LEE.

2. THE KNICKS GET ANTHONY RANDOLPH FOR NATE ROBINSON AND A PROTECTED FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK.

3. THE KNICKS GET MICHAEL BEASLEY AND MARK BLOUNT, THE HEAT GET AMARE STOUDEMIRE AND THE SUNS GET DAVID LEE, NATE ROBINSON AND MALIK ROSE (AND A PROTECTED FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK?).

Three phone calls, at least one of these scenarios could potentially be a reality. I really like David Lee and Nate Robinson but Donnie Walsh will have to deal them and get a great talent. I really believe in these scenarios, and getting Beasley or Randolph would be great for the future of this franchise.

why is everyone talking about amare…..or other top players that may come to new york by the end of the deadline? as long as kerr is running the show in arizona…..amare stays there….or heads somewhere else! not even for lee! trust me…

so isn’t beasley! he was the nr. 2 pick for gods sake! miami wasn’t tanking and losing like they did just to send a young talent like him away….

why no one has thought about the possibility of trading for larry hughes?!
he wants out….and paxon wants him out too!! we need a shooting guard and a backup pointguard! paxon wants expiring deals for hughes! we have em’ > Malik and Marbury! marbury for hughes and noah or malik rose and nate for hughes and lindsey hunter….

what do you think about it???

Daniel —

Neither of those scenarios work under the cap.. As for Hughes.. the man has worn out his welcome in two (or three?) spots.. When does it start being the players fault and not the circumstance?

Also, the Post reports that Paxson will resign or be canned after the deadline.. So odds of him pulling off a deal before then are slim. But they are in talks about Amare, JO and others..

Boy did Paxson screw up in Chicago.. He dumped Chandler (bad move) and Curry (good move) but the players he drafted with the Curry picks are just not hitting it off..Took on Larry Hughes and the other screw ups./.

Sephalosa looks good though

I hope Walsh makes every player available except for Chandler and Gallo.

Daniel- Hughes has worn out his welcome in both Cleveland and Chicago. The only way I take him is if Curry or Jeffries is going the other way.

But I understand your logic and I would like to have him as well.

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Lee/Robinson/Rose isn’t a slightly less attractive offer, its a landslide. As the other poster mentioned, Gay is a star, Conley is looking like he is going to be an all star point guard some day, and Warrick has been solid in and out of the starting lineup all season.

Nate and Lee both may not resign after this season, and neither or as good as Gay or have the upside of Conley.

via ESPN.com:
The Toronto Raptors have agreed to send Jermaine O’Neal and Jamario Moon to the Miami Heat in exchange for Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks, league sources told ESPN The Magazine’s Ric Bucher.

The deal is pending league approval, according to league sources.

Tommy, is there any proof out there that Beasley is close to being available? I just can’t see the Heat giving up on him this early, even for Amare. Bosh, I think they pull the trigger. But anything else Beasley stays. I havent seen anything out Miami saying Beasley is available and I can’t believe his name comes up in anything other than media or fan rumors.

Everything else seems spot on. I have been really high on Outlaw and would have pulled the trigger on Lee for Outlaw in a heartbeat if it didn’t leave us embarassingly undermanned. Outlaw looks like a real player on both ends of the court, great length and athleticism, and his shot improves every year. I think he’s something like 5 for 6 on game winning shots which is ridiculous, the Knicks NEED someone like that. The problem is that it would just leave us with a team of these tweener fowards who dont have a real position. I would love to do a Chandler and Lee for Aldridge and Outlaw, but I don’t think the Blazers would even nibble.

Lee & N8 are better off gone if the Knicks can take advantage of their inflated value. They’re both good but have fatal flaws in their game that will prevent them from being starters on a true contender. At best, they’re nice little max effort guys off the bench on a contender. Nate and Lee are gimmicky guys that seem really good on garbage teams. They’d both have a hard time getting serious time on a contender that’s still alive late in May and early June.

I could see Nate maybe being like a Mason or a Starks if the Knicks were that good, but Mason and Starks were more valuable when they were cheap. Their reduced price tags at the time forgave their fatal flaws. Nate is asking for the kind of money that doesn’t forgive his flaws. As for Lee, I love the guy, but his D is atrocious. If you’re gonna be a max effort guy with a limited offensive game, outstanding D is mandatory. Without that kind of D or offensive game, you’re better off trading him to some foolish GM that doesn’t understand how inflated his value is by being on a bad team and by being in an offensive system like the one our coach has.

Neither is worth the money they seek. Since they want the kind of money their games don’t warrant, you gotta send both out of town while you can get value back for them. Maybe they’d both be good bench pieces if/when Lebron comes here, but their inflated monetary demands aren’t in line with their intrinsic second stringer value.

In a move that will no doubt effect this post, the Heat just traded Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks to the Raps for Jermaine O’Neil and Jamario Moon.

Cross them out of the Amare sweepstakes. Beasley isn’t going anywhere.

For Toronto, it now makes less sense to deal Bosh quickly. The Jermaine/Marion deal made the most sense out of any rumored trade. Toronto needed a swingman, Miami needed a big man.

biggiesmalls thanks for your thoughts….

i know the deals would not work under the cap rule in the “trade” i pulled off..
but the idea of getting a shooting guard for expiring deals… got me thinking!

i think larry hughes could help the knicks! i mean he doesn’t shoot the lights of but he can shot the ball! and on the defensive end he could bring some much needed push!!

well….i’m not a larry hughes fan either….and his last good season was his last in washington…….but…….his salary comes of the books in 2010…and thats the main reason i’d pull the trigger!

he is healthy too………..but J.O. ? maybe 2003/04 since then…..injury prone…but if walsh can get J.O. for marbury…..go for it!! perhaps he has a hand full of good games in him!?

tyrus thomas has looked like a bust coming into the season…..but boy hes been a beast as of late

The Knicks got to get Anthony Randolph because this kid could be special, and he really reminds me of a young Jermaine O’Neal or Kevin Garnett. He has precisely what we need, a great talent, a great contract, aggressivity and shot-blocking abilities.

Donnie Walsh really has to take advantage of Crawford’s willingness to opt out, Randolph’s cloudy relationship with Don Nelson and the ties that he has with Chris Mullin. David Lee for Anthony Randolph and a protected first round draft pick would be a fair trade. Please hurry up Mr. Walsh.

Beasley isn’t coming to NY. That’s just absurd.

I have a really good idea that no one has thought of. The Knicks should trade for Anthony Randolph. Serously, Anthony Randolph. Guys listen, Anthony Randoplh. How about Anthony Randolph? If the Knicks were going to make a move, I think they should make a move for Anthony Randolph.

Haha.

The trade deadline is approaching, and we really have – in my opinion – the opportunity to get one of the greatest talents in the league. I’m sorry if the fact that I keep repeating myself gets annoying but this deadline could be crucial to the Knicks future because of David Lee and Nate Robinson’s contracts.

FINALLY! Someone is making sense around here! Now all we need is someone to rally some support for a Michael Beasley trade.

Mucha, Anthony Randolph is one of the greatest talents in the league? Really? He is a rookie who shows some promise. I think you are getting just a little to giddy.

His greatest asset is his length and from my observations, he actually has below average talent on both sides of the ball. Right now, he scores, rebounds, and blocks shots purely on the fact that he is 6’10 with a huge wing span. He doesnt have a post game, a jump shot, proper foot work, or the ability to guard anyone with a proper back to the basket move. He is too thin to guard anyone close to his size (thats why he plays a lot at SF).

Put this in perspective, maybe it will calm you down: Despite being over a foot taller than little Nate Robinson, he weighs only THIRTY POUNDS, yes 3 0 pounds, more than him. (210-180)

So now maybe you can calm down. Good prospect? Yes. Fills SOME needs? Yes. Can’t miss future star that Walsh NEEDS TO GET NOW? Absolutely not.

I understand what you are talking about, and that’s why I put a FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK in the scenario. Randolph is still a prospect but remember how thin Kevin Garnett was, and the kid is only 19 years old. Now if we could get their draft pick this year, that would give us the opportunity to get Monroe or Harden and that’s precisely why I was making this suggestion. It was not only about Randolph.