Berman: Lee Can Still Be Dealt

Marbury has not played in a game in over a year..

I agree that it would be great to trade the expirings.. And I think Rose can be dealt fairly easily..
But I dont think any team can accept Marbury at this point and expect to get anything on the court.. He wants to go where he wants to go.. IF by trade he will be the brooding sullen locker room cancer he has always been.

BTW – I think that would be the case if he was playing all year.. If we dump him to a crap team there is no way that team will get a useful player for 30 some games.

Teams want Raef LaFrentz’s contract, and he is out for the year. It is all about money.

That’s a good point about Marbury… If a team like the Kings acquires him, they are stuck with through the rest of the year, because he refuses to negotiate an amicable buyout. I think if a team could buy him out he would be easier to trade

I think trading Curry is out of the question, no team will touch that contract but more so there is not a chance they touch that heart condition. I think they can though turn around and use Lee and Jefferies or nate and jefferies to actually get a decent player in return and not just an expiring contract or lousy draft pick. I really think that if Walsh can convince teams that Jefferies can be a missing piece to a puzzle since he can guard so many positions on the court and Nate can add 20 points to a team a night can get something done… and I really hope he does.

Yes, teams want Lafrentz’s insured contract, so their not even paying full price on it. Marbury’s contract is full price and a team like Sacramento, has to pay the whole amount

At this point in the season, a buyout is not necessary. It’s only about two more months.

I think a buyout for a team like the Kings is important if they get a player like Marbury. How pleasant would he be playing out of the NBA and NY spotlight in Sacramento? Yes its only 2 months, and maybe they wouldn’t care if he shows up or not

true.. LFrenz’ contract is “only” 12.7 mil — 80% paid by insurance.

I think that and another piece gets used for Vince Carter .. which sets the Nets up to make a run for D Lee in the Off season.

Let them expire Chris! Unless we are getting draft picks in the deal, there is no need to trade Marbury and Rose for a bunch of players the Kings do not want. I’d rather use those 2 roster spots on younger guys who might develop. Part of the long-term plan is to develop role players for the 2010 and beyond team.

No Way Marbury even shows up in Sacto.

Better to concentrate on Malik’s more reasonable expiring contract . That is more likely to be moved.

DW is right to insist on Curry being packaged with Lee.

How about Curry, Lee and Malik for Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas and a number one?

reddog- That is a fair point. I do not necessarily see eye to eye with it, but it is a fair point.

I want to win now. I want to win next year. And I want to win the year after that. I know that our LT plan rests on the free agent class of 2010, much more than it does on young players. If there is a deal that can be made, such as the one I mentioned above, that will not impede that plan, then I want Walsh to make it.

Chris- According to Alan Hahn, there is roughly $6.4 million left to be paid on Marbury’s $20.8-million salary this season. so in that sense your point of a buyout being unnecessary is right, since the team that acquires him does not have to pay as much

How about this deal guys
LaFrentz, Bayless, and the Blazers ’09 1st rounder for Lee, Curry, Malik, and the Clippers ’09 2nd rounder

I rather try to get Rudy Ferndandez instead of the Blazers 09 pick.
If you replace Jeffries (whose contract is not horrible and wont interfere with Oden’s development) with Curry (horrible) I think Rudy & Bayless is more of a possibility.

Blazers are looking for veteran help at the 3 spot..

They are making a push for Vince Carter or Gerald Wallace.

How about Q Rich then in that deal instead of Malik?

I think Carter might put them over the top. Wallace, I am not so sure. But Carter is the real deal and he might be what they need out there in Portland. With Vince Carter, I can see the Blazers making a serious push in the playoffs.

I do not think the Blazers will be the Knicks trading partner this Thursday.

The Kings feel like a natural fit.

If Im the blazers id rather have Vince Carter.

Seriously, what are the Knicks chances to aquire Kevin Martin without giving up Chandler, Lee or Gallinari?

The Kings reportedly need to dump big salaries and Martin could be an all-star playing in D’Antoni’s system. He got 5 years left on his contract but it is not expensive for the numbers he could bring to the table (he’s already a 25ppg player). He could be the star that we are looking for under D’Antoni anyways.

Marbury, Malik Rose (and either Nate Robinson or a protected first round draft pick) for Kenny Thomas, Brad Miller and Kevin Martin?

I read that on Hahn’s blog. He will be making about 12 million during the summer of 2010. I know he is a big time scorer, but that is essentially all he does. I would rather go after the more hard-nosed Salmons for less than half the price.

In case anyone has not read it, Alan Hahn over at Newsday wonders if the Knicks can trade Malik Rose and Nate Robinson for Kevin Martin.

Without assurance on being able to dump Curry, I do not know if Donnie can make this deal.

if Im Donnie I CANT take on 2010/11 salary unless the deal includes dumping Jeffries or Curry.

Taking back Martin for Nate and Malik would be the definition of short term screwing up the long term

I can see Salmons though. His contract is less than 6 million and it runs through 2010-2011. If we cannot unload Jeffries or more importantly, Curry, then we might be looking at the FA class of 2011 for our second big star.

My point is, Kevin Martin could become an all-star under D’Antoni and average around 30 points per game with the Knicks. If he does become an all-star – he would in my opinion – we would then already have the second big player that we’ll need in 2010 FOR A CHEAPER PRICE. 6’7 shooting guards who can hit from outside are a rarity.

I understand that we would still have to dump Curry and that is not an easy task obviously, but Donnie Walsh should not sleep on the opportunity to get a star player in my opinion.

Alan, if all he does on the court is scoring 25ppg, how could you complain about that ? He’s a scoring guard and that’s something that Donnie Walsh is looking for anyways.

If we can get Kevin Martin (which we can’t), I think you have to do it. I also think it is unlikely that Curry will be moved. But that is not to say that Curry finds some motivation in this tough year of his, and gets back on the court sometime on ’09-10. Then perhaps we can be rid of his contract at next year’s deadline. Kevin Martin would score 30 a game in the garden. He is a fundamentally sound ballplayer with an UGLY shot that likes to find the twine. He would play great with Lebron.

I know this is a big if, but if we sign Lebron, I don’t think it necessary to sign another max player. I think he should be surrounded by great shooters and a very good defensive big. I think it would be wiser to surround him with super role players, rather than high paid stars (Lebron is the ONLY player in the league I feel that way about). Players like Steve Nash, Joe Johnson, Marcus Camby, Udonis Haslem, Travis Outlaw are all FAs. I’d rather see Lee stay and surround Lebron with solid proven NBA players who fill a specific role, than to roll the dice that two max players stay healthy their entire career.

Salmons would be useless. His contract runs until 2010-2011 and he’s almost 30 years old. Chris, I can’t understand why you’d like to get Salmons – and not a 25 years old potential star player who’d fill a void at the shooting guard spot – for a 4’000’000$ difference.

Getting Salmons would only make sense if it allows us to trade him for Bayless. That’s it.

That’s it – I don’t believe that LeBron will leave Cleveland – but Martin would be the same kind of all-star quality guard a la Joe Johnson (I’m not saying he is Joe Johnson) but his salary would be much cheaper.

Kevin Martin would get 30 ppg under D’Antoni. He would fill the void at the shooting guard spot and he can hit from outside, which is great for an oversized guard and something that D’Antoni’s system needs.

@ Biggie – The Knicks could trade Marbury, Rose and the 2010 first round draft pick for Kevin Martin, Brad Miller and Kenny Thomas. And then dump Jeffries with Nate Robinson elsewhere in a single package.

we dont have a 2010 first round pick.

I dont see Kevin Martin as a super star player that makes others better… he can fill it up but so can a lot of players.

Salmons has a 15% trade kicker it is reported.. adds 2 mil to the payroll.. saw that on hoophype.com

Salmons wont be 30 until December 2009 and Martin just turned 26,.

Martin and Salmons are very similar.. Their PERs and TS% are within 2 points.. Martin is 6-7/185 and Salmons is listed 6-6/210

Martin costs 11.1 mil in 2010/11 while Salmons is a 5.8 mil player..

Id rather Salmons given out 2010/11 plan.. but wouldnt move nate unless jeffrries or curry is included in that trade.

To say a guy would be a lock to score 30 ppg is a bit much.

I wanted to say 2012 first round draft pick.

Tell that to Mike Miller and Wally Szczerbiak who are being shopped around for not that much this trading deadline. While Martin certainly is a better scorer than those two, he would not be as prolific on a great team and will always be an injury risk and play average defense.

average defense is kind.

30 points is a bit much… not likely.. of course since he doesnt pass (has the lowest assist to points ratio in the league) he may continue to fill it up.. but with him and Big Al …. ugh..

I wish the deadline would pass already. I’m sick of this speculation. None of it’s going to come to fruition. Buy out Steph and Malik, bring in Pat Jr. and call it a day. This team could still make a run at the 8th seed as currently constituted. We can save further remodeling for the offseason.

Yeah I mean he is getting 25 only because he is the man on that team. Put him on a good team and he’s scoring 18-20. He is like Rip Hamilton with Marcus Camby’s build.

gozer might be right. I am getting the feeling that we will not make a move.

Winning now is a bonus. It took years to get into this mess, it’ll take a few years to get out of it (sounds a lot like our economy). I’m happy rooting for this scrappy bunch until 2010.

Is this one too crazy Chris?

Knicks get: Jerryd Bayless (POR), Marcus Camby (LAC), John Salmons (SAC), Rudy Fernandez (POR), DeAndre Jordan (LAC), and Kenny Thomas (SAC)

Clippers get: Brad Miller (SAC), and Travis Outlaw (POR)

Portland gets: David Lee (NY), Malik Rose (NY), Bobby Jackson (SAC), Ricky Davis (LAC), and Shelden Williams (SAC)

Sacramento gets: Raef LaFrentz (POR), Stephon Marbury (NY), and Quentin Richardson (NY)

Clippers get a good center in Brad Miller (since Kaman is still out) and a good scoring SF in Outlaw. Portland gets Lee, while also getting Malik’s expiring deal with the expiring deals of Williams, Davis and Jackson (while getting Davis and Jackson to replace some of Outlaw’s scoring). Sacramento gets the two most prized expiring contracts in LaFrentz and Marbury, that way they can be big players in the free agent market this offseason, plus they get Richardson (the “great 3-point shooter”). Of course the Knicks get a solid haul as well, while having to take the big contract of Kenny Thomas.

I know it’s a 16 player trade, but it seems to benefit everyone, at least in my opinion, though I’m open to what everyone else has to say.

I like it
especially from a knicks perspective
however i feel it is a very far-fetched trade

There are 2 conflicting reports out of Sacramento:
Report 1: It’s Salmons and Miller for Nocioni, Gooden, Michael Ruffin (expiring worth $1.1 million) and Cedric Simmons ($1.7 million expiring). And there are indications that it’s close to happening.
Report 2: the Kings are talking to New Jersey about a deal that would send Miller and Salmons to the Nets for hometown boy Ryan Anderson, Stromile Swift, Trenton Hassell, and Eduardo Najera.

I don’t see the Knicks anywhere there.

I kind of like that deal. Getting Bayless, Camby, Fernandez, Salmons and DeAndre Jordan for essentially David Lee. I would love that deal.

Not sure if the Clippers would want Miller, but possibly. I can get they would like to get Outlaw.

The Blazers essentially give up Fernandez, Outlaw and Bayless for Lee, which might be a bit much for them. They might not like this deal.

And the Kings give up Salmons and Miller and get about 35 million off their cap. They would sign off on that right now.

I like Jordan’s potential as a center of the future. That deal would essentially net us a future center, point guard, and shooting guard, while giving us two starters for the short-term. That would be too good to be true for the Knicks.

nba.com reports

The Kings agreed on Wednesday to a trade that sends forward John Salmons and center Brad Miller to the Chicago Bulls in exchange for forwards Drew Gooden and Andres Nocioni

Yeah I was afraid it would be too good to be true. I think the players Portland gets aren’t too bad, the only issue is they’re getting primarily veteran players while giving up young players. The thing is though, Bobby Jackson is a solid player, and he can score and wear down the defense as a backup point guard, while Ricky Davis can replace Outlaw as the potential scorer off the bench. I don’t think this is so bad for Portland, considering they get Lee in the deal, while getting rid of some contracts that run into next season (during which they have the whole thing with Darius Miles and his contract), and with these expiring contracts they should have enough to potentially resign Lee. It seems they are giving up a few players with high potential, while getting a player who is already in All-Star conversations, who will only get better as he improves his mid-range jump shot and defense. I think it is a solid deal for all sides.

Well that ends my trade possibility, but at least this potentially opens the door for the Knicks to trade for Tyrus Thomas and Larry Hughes, since Thomas is seemingly out of a role with Miller coming in.

According to ESPN.com in the article about this Bulls-Kings trade:

Michael Ruffin of the Bulls also was told be was being traded to Portland in a separate deal, the source added.

Maybe something along the lines of Tyrus Thomas and Larry Hughes for Q-Rich, Roberson and Malik/Tim Thomas?

I mean, I don’t know if that Ty Thomas deal was ever available but I don’t think this impacts the possibility of it happening either way. That is my realistic hope for this trade deadline. Ty Thomas. Doesn’t look like it’s happening though.

This is from David Aldridge’s article on NBA.com about the Kings-Bulls trade, so I guess we just have to hope Donnie Walsh makes something happen:

Miller’s presence could conceivably clear the way for Chicago to move one of its young pivotmen, either Tyrus Thomas or Joakim Noah, in another deal.

wooow. walsh you’re sleeping!!

first the heat get rid of Banks contract, now Nocioni.

Rose = Gooden, 7mill

Nocioni= Jeffries, nocioni has even more years..

Wrong in my opinion, it’s harder to get numbers on a bad team because you draw more attention. Open the lanes and create space around the three-point line and Martin gets 30 ppg.

You forget that Gooden and Nocioni have offensive skills.

gooden is expiring and nocioni for 5 years 8 million is a bad deal.

http://sprungonsports.blogspot.com/2009/02/nba-trade-deadline-chat.html