Editor’s Note: You’d have to assume that Toronto will look to deal since it appears Bosh is opting out. If Walsh were to make a move, that would put pressure on him to move Eddy Curry and Jared Jefferies. But he has a year to do it.
So let’s just say that both Jrue Holiday and Stephen Curry are off the board, and Tyreke 
Evans is there at 8. With what we now know about Toronto’s love affair, what does Donnie Walsh do?
Does he take Evans and immediately call Toronto and inquire about a possible Lee, (another contract might be necessary depending on what Lee signs for) and Evans for Chris Bosh deal? You’d think that the conversation would take place especially if Walsh somehow acquires a later first round pick. He’d take Evans and sign Lee then look up “C” for “Colangelo.”
Toronto would have love to add a good young, relatively cheap big in Lee as well as the 8th and 9th picks. But does Walsh, regardless of how much they like him, pull the trigger on a Bosh deal, a guy who couldn’t lead the Raptors to the playoffs this season? Adding Bosh, along with a player in the 18-25 range would give the Knicks the big man to pair perfectly with Lebron along with a cheap, talented prospect.
Or do they keep Evans, who we now know is really tight with the King, as well as Lee?
As we’ve seen with Antonio McDyess, trading youth and picks for a star can blow up in your face, but it’s the risky moves that make you drastically better. And if the Knicks obtain Bosh, he’ll easily be better than any 1A Cleveland can bring in. What a message that would send to Lebron. So under those pretenses, I make that deal if I’m Walsh.
Tough decisions like these are what Donnie gets paid for, and it makes me feel great that the guy is on our end of the phone. You know that he’ll use his leverage wisely if Evans is there at 8, which is still uncertain at this point.
By the way, I understand the talk, from fans, about Jonny Flynn. If Flynn blows away the other guards at their workout for the Knicks maybe Walsh springs a leak that they love him and trades down to a team that covets him more. Or maybe he drafts him.
At this point you’d have to think that Flynn is right behind Evans on their board. We’ll know more after the workouts.
Great question.
I’d rather have Tyreke Evans and David Lee at $7.5 million ($10 million overall) than Chris Bosh at $17 million in 2010-2011.
Agreed.
Chad Ford wrote today how Toronto promised DeRozan theyd pick him if he’s still there at 9, but i dont know how true that is
Trading for Chris Bosh this summer without including JJ2 or BigEddy’s deal is very dangerous. Keeping Bosh’s rights in 2010 could prevent us from offering max money to Lebron
I’d rather use Lee’s value for a pick this year or a young talent from the 2008 class
does every move we make have to have something to do with LEBRON? I MEAN WHAT HAPPENS IF ALL THE MOVE WE MAKE ,we do to appease lbj ,and 2010 comes and he doesnt sign with us?or he gets hurt real bad?i think we just have to make moves to improve the KNICKS>every move we make ,we cant be thinking “what would lebron like”?THIS IS NUTS AND BORDERS ON CUMPULSIVE!lets make the knicks better PERIOD.PHUK LEBRON! is it just me or is anyone else sick of hearing this guys name?
Take it easy BKS
when there is a chance to get a player like LJ or D-Wade, you keep 20M$ of cap space to be in the game. period. You dont give up your chance just to “improve” the Knicks. i dont care about improving, I care about contending after 2010.
LOL. Nice job BKS. especially with the CAPS!!
Job one is to improve the Knicks, of course.
job 2 is to bring in a player that trumps cleveland’s 1A, I believe.
Wait, you can do two things at once…
Sorry if I’m being too bron-centric. But that’s what I’m thinking about…
i dont think DONNIE WALSH,as a professional,can allow himself to think LEBRON,LEBRON LEBRON,if you want to build a winnner and you think like that ,you have already failed!trade for BOSH,sign a FA next year ,a defensive center plus a point we pick up this year in the draft and you got the star of a pretty good team……sorry bout the caps,im late for work and terribly excited!
Adding Bosh, along with a player in the 18-25 range would give the Knicks the big man to pair perfectly with Lebron along with a cheap, talented prospect.
LeBron is NOT leaving his hometown! Get over it!
Besides, keeping Lee and the #8 would be better than Baby-Powder-Bosh and #18.
I agree we dont make either of these moves based on how it would look to LBJ…we draft who we draft because he makes us better next year, not because he once rode the Merry-Go-Round with LeBron back in ’92.
But the point is bigger than that: until we have a franchise centerpiece type guy, no matter who it might be, you need to think big picture. i mean, being the 6th seed and losing every year is better than missing the playoffs every year, sure, but the fact of the matter is, it still gets tiresome and remains unfulfilling. hell, being the #1 seed and losing three straight years in the conf. finals draws boo’s from the crowd…
so while I agree the LeBron talk has spun wildly out of control, I remain interested as it speaks to grander plan, the larger picture, the future roster when asking yourself “how would this help us lure our 2012 Finals MVP” next summer…
THAT being said, I am not a Bosh fan. I think he’s a good player, no doubt, but to me the guy the Knicks sign needs to have a fire under his belly more than anything. Bosh seems soft to me, maybe not down low on the block soft, but soft in the head, and I think NYC would chew him up and spit him out.
maybe not down low on the block soft, but soft in the head
He’s both kinds of soft. He’s Channing Frye is Tyson Chandler’s body.
Realistically, if you resign David Lee around $7 million, you can have David Lee ($7.5 million), Tyreke Evans ($3.5 million) and Al Harrington who – I believe – is willing to sacrifice a couple dollars to play in New York.
Chris Bosh will make at least $17 million in 2010-2011, we can have David Lee, a poor man’s Dwyane Wade plus Al Harrington for the same price.
Your question is great Tommy but I say NO NO NO.
Well… NO is enough.
on a team with a legit center,DAVID LEE really isnt that good.he gets so many rebounds for the KNICKS because hes the only one on the team who can rebound.on ma winning team,DLEE is a bencher man.you guys gotta get over him.CHRIS BOSH would make our team a whole lot better.you all have this facination with DAVID LEE and WILSON CHANDLER.both imo, will never be all-stars.i would trade them while their stock is high,and i dont want to be stuck with them,when reality sets in and every realizes that they suck and are never gonna be more than they are now
“You” ? Who is “you”?
I didn’t talk about David Lee or Wilson Chandler being All-Stars, and both players are quite overrated in my opinion as well – even though Chandler has a bright future.
My only point was, is Chris Bosh alone better than Al Harrington, David Lee and Tyreke Evans/Stephen Curry?
didnt mean YOU, it was you all or you guys …meaning about 85% of everyone on this site is in love with DAVID LEE AND WILSON CHANDLER
Three things….
1) Do you really think the Raptors would go for that deal?
2) We can’t deal Lee/Nate until July 7! Stop throwing them into hypothetical draft-day deals. I also highly doubt they’d draft someone to wait around a couple weeks then deal him., so that’s not an option either.
3) I’m not really that high on Bosh. Even you said above that he couldn’t lead his team to at least the playoffs. How is that gonna be even close to worth a max deal?!
I say we take the best available player in the draft. Also, Donnie is looking to acquire another draft pick, so we could be looking at a couple good young players to go along with Gallo & Chandler.
Over the offseason, if you can deal Nate/Lee for draft picks or a good young vet with a good contract, do it. If not, keep both of them, as long as the contracts are reasonable. They can be used as assets. If someone throws a ton of money at them, say bye-bye.
a few things.
1. Lee would have to agree to be traded to Toronto as a sign and trade. And Im not sure that he would agree to move to Canada./
2. The money doesnt work out if it is Lee and the 8th pick *even if Lee signs for a way too high 9 mil.
3. Toronto will not deal in their own division. If they are dealing Bosh he is going to Chicago or Dallas or the West Coast
TD — way to go with the blog lately.. You’ve been on fire with the posts and toasts.
Postin’ and toastin’ indeed. Clyde would be proud.
I think they might go for that.
Bosh is an elite talent. But… Bosh will have his price tag in terms of talent given up and dollars. I think Mucha hits the nail on the head with his analysis. Is Bosh going to be more effective than let’s say Lee, Curry, and Harrington at the same exact price?
In that trio, you are talking about perhaps a scoring threat, combo forward off the bench in Harrington (who is a 20 ppg scorer as a starter on this team, let’s not forget that). You have a starting PF who is a double / double lock and an excellent offensive player in the pick’n'roll set. And then you have your future PG in Curry / Holiday / Evans.
I’d rather see if Amare is available for Lee, Mobley and 8 for Amare and the 14th pick. That’s not enough probably, but you never know.
And Brades is also right. Trading Lee / Nate can only happen after they can be sign-and-traded. Toronto / Phoenix cannot talk to these players about K’s until then.
If Toronto deals Bosh, they deal him to Golden State.
higher pick
Biedrins
plus 1..
they get a better deal from them.
In think Bosh may be overrated.
He’s basically David Lee with a decent mid range game and an extra block here or there. I don’t see how that’s worth so much more than Lee when Lee may actually develop his mid range gave over time.
Bosh plays better D period and you are underestimating Bosh’s range.
The best Bosh I’ve seen is a much better player, but that guy really didn’t show up this year after the Olympics. At a minimum, I would say he has peaked. I’m not sure that’s the case with Lee. T
To be sure, I’d rather have Bosh, but when you are talking 17m vs. 8-9M, I’m not so sure we couldn’t do better.
No way we trade Lee and our draft pick just for bosh. We are saving cap room for a reason, so we can sign a free agent or two to a good team that we will have built. There’s no doubt in my mind that Donnie would ignore a deal like that from the moment he heard the offer.
2, cheap, young, good players for one allstar in his prime, who makes more than the two players combined? Absolutely not.
There is no scenario this summer that will result in us trading for a huge contract like that. DW will not ruin our youth and depth for one player…
The only scenario is that walsh, himself said that he would add contract in 2009 if it were a 2010 talent.
Trading for Baby-Powder-Bosh would be a Grunfeld, Layden, Isiah – like move.
CHRIS BOSH IS NOT WORTH $15+M!!!!!!!!!
DW said he’d only sign a 2010 talent, but i don’t think he’d give up our youth to do it.
YES HE IS
ARE YOU GUYS NUTS?the reason we made cap space is for guys like BOSH! you are drasticly underating him!i dont think anyone remembers …THE KNICKS STINK! if you can get BOSH for anybody on this putrid team,its a steal,you make the deal and run like hell(except GALLO)i would trade WILL CHANDLER for BOSH in a new york minute.we won 30 games last year for gods sake.everyone on this team is potential trade bait
But why not develop our young players and sign bosh next summer WITHOUT having to give away good young players. Would you rather have Bosh, lee, and Evans or Bosh and Nobody.
There is only one guy to get in a trade this coming season……
“Amare Stoudemire”
all this Bosh talk is crazy, yes he has better over all skill sets then Lee but
Lee is better bang for your buck then Bosh, so if its not Amare Stoudemire
then theres no point to try for any other available front court player! Now
building around him in a cost effective way will be the way to go in not only
making us a better team over all but to getting that other superstar weather
It be Lebron or whoever. I will say this not only do we need very skilled
players but I would also like them to have tenacity!! That killer instinct is
needed to win it all no matter what superstar we sign in 2010!
amare stoudemire?dont you think we have enough injury prone big men who dont play defense?
You’d take Bosh over Stoudemire? Bosh is softer than a kitten’s tongue. NO THANX!
BOSH plays defense,AMARE plays none so whos soft?
Trading that talent for that type of contract demand might be a bit much, especially if Lee only gets 7-8 mm per season.
I don’t really have any interest in grabbing Bosh or Amare before 2010. I’d rather try our darnedest to find a young, promising talent to develop like Javale McGee, Darrell Arthur or DeAndre Jordan.
Out of those three Dr Dre all the way. He is talented and he is a athletic big man that block shots im prayin the Clippers pick Griffin so that opens up the trade gates for Dr Dre. Mcgee would fit in as well but Dre has a solider base and still as athletic as Mcgee.
HOWZ ABOUT THIS?
PG:RAMON SESSIONS
SG:TYRKE EVANS
SF:GALLO
PF:CHRIS BOSH
C:SOME DEFENSIVE MINDED BIG GUY
tommy.remember marc bermans love affair with marbury?…yer gettin like that bout lebron….lol
How about NO to Bosh! He’s not worth the $. We didn’t clear this cap space for more overpaid guys, we cleared it for guys worthy of the $ (Wade, Stoudemire). Maybe even just the ability to be flexible without signing anyone (there might not be anyone to sign if they all re-sign with their current team).
And Gortat and Sessions can’t be offered the same MLE contract. It’s one or the other.
BOSH is a much better investment than STOUDEMIRE..ask coach D’ANTONI,he hated stoudemire then ,like he hates NATE now.right now ,hes tellin DONNIE WALSH not to touch STOUDEMIRE with a 10 ft pole.(really man,he cant,or wont play any defense,and hes totally uncoachable)
wow that team would be garbage.
how bout GORTAT at center,hes a restricted
Draft a PG (NOT a 2) sign or trad for a C (BirdMan or Deandre Jordan).
I would trade Lee the 8th pick and Jeffries to the Raptors for Chris Bosh (don’t the salaries kinda have to match anyway?)…I would take Amare too…the stats are very similar, but I prefer bosh…. he is younger (he’s actually younger that david lee too)..has stayed healthier and stays out of foul trouble for the most part…also seems more like a team player and more willing to buy into the team concept. If we know this trade can happen…as it must happen in July…the Knicks have to BUY a pick between 15-25 and select Ty Lawson…also they must find a way to trade for Marcus Camby…I would love this lineup in 2009
Ty Lawson
Chandler
Harrington
Bosh
Camby
2nd team
Duhon
Nate Robinson (sign him to a 1yr contract..if no interest from other teams)
Gallo
That’s a nice 8 man rotation…with 6 of 8 players able to hit the 3pt shot at a good clip…
Guys… We won’t have Bosh at PF and a guy like Camby at C. I keep saying this… This isn’t the spurs. That lineup you just listed fails miserably at spreading the floor.
When thinking of future lineups, try to look at the magic as a model. if you want a big defensive big man, which i want as will, we will need 4 perimeter players. This is why Galo is so valuable, because he is 6-11 and should be able to play the 4 eventually, at least to the extent Rashard Lewis does.
Curry
Chandler
Harrington
Galo
Camby
Now there’s a nasty looking D’Antoni squad. Think about swinging the ball around from curry to galo to harrington…
no team is gonna win anything with AL HARRINGTON in the starting line-up.I mean when does HARRINGTON swing the ball,hes never met a shot he didnt take.and ill say it again ,CHANDLER has never done anything and prolly never will,camby is older and as fragile as peanut brittle
That being said, i don’t really want to settle on camby as our center of the future. I’d like to develop a young guy there along with Galo, Chandler, and this year’s pick.
That’s why, as much as I lobby against it, i would secretly be kind of pumped if we drafted Thabeet. There are so few 7-footer projects, and a large percentage of them, in the right hands, become great centers. We need one of those projects eventually.