So, What’s the Difference?

lawson is going to be an average nba player.flynn has a better chance at being chris paul lite; if there wasn’t a difference their’d be no draft.

I think it comes down to how scouts believe these guys will fair in the NBA…I kinda of agree with Tommy, though..

Apparently National Championships and Toe Injurys dont equal NBA success

that makes no sense.

you have no idea lawson is going to be an average NBA player.

Flynn is “Chris paul-lite?”

So does that mean chris paul-lite is an above average NBA player?

Drafts are crapshoots my friend. there have been guys at 4 who have bombed while players in the 2nd round have excelled.

Lawson and Flynn are very close talent wise. not 17 picks apart.

recognize.

One big issue that puts Flynn ahead of Lawson is Lawson’s injury history. Other than that i agree with you, that they are very similar players, but Lawson has always had a little something wrong with him healthwise. When healthy he’s a great player, as is Flynn, and they have about an equal chance in my opinion of being successful (pending that both stay healthy)

I think what he meant by Chris Paul lite was a Poor Mans Chris Paul and I think Jonny’s shot is a little better and his attitude has made people fall in love with him.

it makes no sense.but their is no difference between 1 and 10.lol.ok.lawson has alligator arms, is barely 6 tall, and shoots his jumpers like shaq does his free throws, and pretty much had a college all star team at his disposal. flynn on the other hand had nobody on his team, and gave the consensus number 1 team hell in the big east.yeah, no difference.lol at you comparing a baseball prospect to a basketball prospect.and i have no idea.

I also agree with Tommy. Flynn might be a better shooter, but that’s a maybe. Lawson had some pretty good percentages last year, both from beyond the arc and from the field.

exactly what i meant.i guess being pretty close to arguably the best point in the league is a bad thing.

Hey Tommy I’m with you and have been for a while….Lawson and Flynn are both VERY good PG’s who are both going to have good careers in the NBA. They are both floor generals and leaders. I am not in favor of trading up in the draft AT ALL…let’s sit at #8 and see what we can get….personally I THINK CENTER IS OUR #1 need….SO…with 13 PG’s available…and only one big man….If you can get Ty Lawson 17 picks after Flynn…and there is not much difference…why not buy the Portland pick and pick Ty Lawson there….AND with the #8 take a shot on THABEET if he falls. WE NEED DEFENSE and I think we would have a GREAT draft if we are able to get our PG of the future and the defensive pressence inside we need. Let’s go KNICKS.

I like Curry, but he’s a combo guard….these guys are FLOOR GENERALS..and have been all of their playing careers.

really chris? lol.who would have thought.

I’ve been talking about Lawson for a while and everybdy thought it was CRAZY…Curry is good, but is he THAT much better than either of these guys…as a scorer maybe, but as a floor general he is still learning what they ALREADY know.

yeah I understand what “lite” means…

But to say that Lawson will be “average” and Flynn is a Paul knock off is a guess.

They both have every shot to be really solid NBA players they both have every shot to be average.

Drafts, as we saw with Rondo, do depend on situations and fits along with talent.

But I will say this. you guys can knock Lawson all you want and you can talk about Jennings or any of these guys you know nothing about but Lawson’s eyes today said, “i’ve been doubted before and all i’ve done is lead my team to the NCAA championship.”

Don’t forget that…

You wanna get at me and then say Syracuse had no talent?

Come on man. LOL.

How about lawson saving that “all star team” by himself against LSU?

I thought the Big East was the better conference?

Bring it on young fella!!!

Pass on trading up for Thabeet.

I could be wrong about him, but he has no positive “defining moment” which is to say when I think of thabeet I think of a guy who gets pushed around, is always on the floor, has trouble dominating 6’8 post defenders one on one and wasn’t a 40 minute college player.

I just don’t see the upside.

if you’re content with a guy who will play 20-25 minutes, block a shot or two, grab some rebounds and score some points then you trade up for him.

But I wouldn’t…

thabeet is a sure bust.
holiday has alot of potential but i personally dont see him reaching it.

curry, derozan, flynn, girffen, hill, and rubio are, in my oppinion, going to be sure starters for years to come.

derozan is going to be the next joe johnson except more athletic and active on defense.

I prefer Johnny Flynn.

Not only is Lawson undersized, but he also has an aligator wingspan and his ceiling is limited in my opinion. Maybe I’m wrong “but I doubt it”.

agreed ^

I think Lawson is the purest PG in the draft. If there’s one thing in the NBA one player can improve upon the most, it’s the jump shot. That isn’t a major concern for me. I do think the number 8 pick is a bit high for him, though. If Donnie believes he can get him later, he will most likely trade back for Lawson and additional picks. It would be the first time since Ward/Childs that we will have two natural PG’s running the team.

I think a position in just as much of a need for an upgrade is the 2-spot. Will D’Antoni play Ill Will out of position or will Donnie aqcuire a legitimate 2 this offseason? I just hope they don’t draft Tyreke Evans. We don’t need another ball dominating guard. Players like him are in the draft every year. I think it goes against the philosophy of the type of player we acquired last year (pass first and make your teammates better) to draft one that is known to be a me first player.

what’s jameer nelson’s wingspan?

does anyone care?

flynn struggles in the extended pick and roll where the defender has to get over a screen to contest his jump shot.

that can’t be ignored.

Lawson’s faster with the ball and is much stronger.

all in all, again, they are close.

They are close but Flynn is almost two years younger. I see what you mean though, this is also a gut feeling. When I first saw Anthony Randolph I KNEW he was going to be a stud. Same with Eric Gordon. I had the same feeling with Gallinari but he’ll have to be healthy. But I just don’t see it with Lawson.

gut feelings are what GMs get paid for.

my thing is they are both outstanding prospects. I understand the age thing, no question.

But to think Lawson is 17 picks below flynn on ESPN is kind of crazy.

I agree with your point about the jump-shot. Some players are clearly BAD shooters, so you know it could be a problem all their careers, but most young guards who aren’t great shooters, still have a pretty decent stroke (Rubio, Lawson, Holiday), but just lack consistency, and are likely to improve that area of their game steadily as they get older. That’s why I’m still 100% sold on Rubio as by far the best PG prospect this system could ever ask for.

I also agree with your T. Evans comment – not the kind of player we are looking for, no matter how much ‘star potential’ (whatever that means) he has.

If Evans is all we are left with at 8 in terms of PGs, i would definitely just look for the best player, – a stallion – regardless of position. DeRozan comes to mind. Try to grab a guard later in the 1st round – someone who has a good shot and IQ that D’Antoni believes could play in his system. There are plenty of them in this draft.

I think Derozan is intriguing but geez talk about question marks…he’s a 2 who can’t shoot or really handle at all.

My core view is that the Knicks need one thing besides a defensive center.

They have guys that can create their own shot and that are volume scorers, but other than Gallo and Lee, they don’t have efficient scorers. Compounding the problem is that Lee is not high usage and Gallo remains a bit of a question mark because of his back. So I’d love to see our PG be a highly efficient scorer in addition to having other PG skills.

When I look at the highlights and college stats, I see a lot of PGs that might eventually be very good, but not many efficient scorers other than Curry, Lawson, and Collison. If Curry is off the table at #8, I would hate to take someone that is not going to fit the profile I think the Knicks need at PG both short term and long term.

We already have a very good backup PG in Duhon. I’m not convinced he can’t be a decent starter on a very good team if we limited his minutes a little better this year (of course we would need to add some other very good pieces over time).

Do we really need another PG who will be only mildly better than Duhon and that has similar skills?

I want an efficient scorer!

To me, Rubio doesn’t even cut it because he’s not much of a shooter yet and may not be able to contribute immediately. But at least his other PG skills seem so exceptional, his IQ so high, and he’s so young he’d be worth a longer term gamble that he can improve his shot.

To me, if we don’t get Curry or Rubio, I would rather trade down and take Lawson or even Collison and use whatever we can get for that #8 in the future or perhaps to help get that Center we need.

IMO, you guys are wildly underestimating Lawson as a shooter.

I suggest you look at some FG%, 3P%, eFG% and TS% on these PG prospects.

Lawson is one of the most efficient scorers in the draft among PGs.

TOMMY,which one is better on defense?

Good question. It’s hard to measure that statistically

The knock on lawson is that he can’t shoot over people, but, with space, he can beat ANYONE off the bounce and create his shot or another.

Plus he’s very adept at feeding the block, and hopefully he’d have someone to feed here.

Trading down to snag him isn’t a bad move at all…especially if Holiday, Curry and even Flynn are off the board.

My eyes say Lawson. He crowds, gets around screen/rolls, can guard the ball full court and obviously jumps the passing lanes.

Flynn is good, but Lawson is better…

tommy,i wrote this in the other night on your live blog,but didnt get an answer..what are the chances that the KNICKS go after RAMON SESSIONS?.i think he can solve our point guard problem

Sorry about that BKS, won’t happen again…It’s easy to see milwaukee trading sessions bc they are sure to go guard and they don’t want to pay him. Not sure what his market is. I think walsh goes after size with the MLE and doesn’t sign a PG two MLE’s in a row.

I like sessions tho…he should command more than the MLE making the whole thing moot.

Milwaukee will go with a guard in the draft in a few weeks….

As much as I like Rubio, Curry and Holiday, going after a PG out of FA would do us wonders. If the aforementioned PG’s are gone, there would be less pressure to draft for position instead of talent. We could grab Evans, Clark, Hill, DeRozan, etc. at our leisure.

Do you think we should try to make a move for both Sessions and C-Villa? The Bucks sure can’t keep them both. Sessions makes Duhon’s expiring expendable and Vill does the same to Harrington.

Tommy, with the recent rumblings of the Knicks wanting the #2 pick from Memphis, any chance last year’s trade scenario of D-Lee for the pick is revisited? I know the contract situation, but the deal can still be agreed to a la the draft deal last year with POR and IND.

Knicks get #2 & Darko
Grizzlies get Lee

In this scenario who do you think the Knicks would take at #2 and #8?

flynn will end up in milwaukee.

my thing is, I fully understand that the draft is a crapshoot, and especially in this draft where there’s not much of a difference between 4 and 9. But, the only area I think Lawson is better than Flynn at is shooting.

I’d go as far as to say that Lawson’s success was a product of Roy William’s system. He can’t shoot off the dribble, lacks a mid-range game, has a short wingspan, and is short. and his leadership qualities have also been questioned, although he led his team to the championship.

but tommy, i understand when you say they are close; they are close, but Flynn’s better. But if i’m correct you’re saying that you shouldn’t draft on potential? because flynn clearly has more upside than lawson.

if upside wasn’t an issue, then you wouldn’t be in love with holliday like i am, and many other gms are. and derozan wouldn’t be a first rounder, and bj mullens would be playing in the nbdl next season.

flynn is a better defender than lawson, and i’m sure you’d agree that he’s a more feisty point guard, who seems to be a great leader. He’s tougher and has more swagger, and the two’s numbers are similar. I’d give Flynn the edge.

So what you’re saying is that Flynn has the better chance to be Chris Paul or Deron Williams than Ty Lawson? True, maybe Lawson turns out to be Maurice Cheeks.

i understand drafting based on “ceiling” but it’s a slippery slope.

But it’s what every GM does.

What I’m saying is that they are both, at this point, very solid pure PG prospects.

Yet, you don’t need a Chris Paul to win championships but Cheeks did okay.

Cheeks was the 36th pick.

It all depends on who you surround your PG with…

Really tough question to answer… so many moving parts.

that’s assuming Walsh is in love with any of those players…

Evans may go as high as 4 to Sac town…

The more I research the players in the draft, Ithe more I get” Madden Like” and try to really come up with what is best for the Knicks (The mad GMer)… And as an avid Knick fan I can’t stop envisioning Holiday at the point next year… No knock to Flynn or Lawson… (and Curry but this isn’t his blog)

But

Call it research…Call it gut …Call it intution… Call it white hope.. I just think MD can get the best out of Holiday… to become that “glow of sorts” the Knicks have for GOD knows how long have missed….

Also

Call me crazy but I think E Curry has alot to play for this season.. It is amazing what a guy can do when he has a fight to stay in the game… Curry has too much talent ! Meaning if he was Stock on Wall Street , I am buying…

and by the way everyone, sorry to take this off the FLynn/Lawson Debate…

DW & MD I light a candle for clear train of thought..

Let’s Make Knicks winners again!

Tomorrow should be interesting I expect Curry to be even better than advertised, most important will be his ability to push the break and decision making, the only problem is teams ahead of us but I still think we have enough to get him if some one takes him early.

well, Fisher, Alston, and Rondo aren’t great point guards. I don’t know who was running the point for Miami, but you’re right, you don’t need a great point guard to win a championship at all.

I don’t think Flynn is anything like Chris Paul, but I think he has the opportunity to just be a much better pro than Lawson, because of the things i previously listed.

You ever see that dunk he had on Mike Rosario? Oh God.

That’s really beside the point. Who knows who DW loves. Who knows where Evans will go. My point is that filling one of our needs outside the draft can help distance the rock from the hard place. The last thing I want is for DW to draft a PG he’s not in love with just because he’s a PG.

I dont like jennings bc i dont feel he is as smart as flynn or lawson, to put it bluntly. I think those guys are better floor leaders and thats what we want. They are safer picks. Id rather have either one of them. Bc Jennings has a higher ceiling he will presumably get drafted higher.
Fine let someone else take that risk, and lets trade back a few spots to take flynn or lawson.
Id rather have flynn bc ive seen his game live and in person (being a Red Storm student) and i think he has a little better shot than lawson, which i think would serve this system better. I think both are have strenghts and weaknesses. I also like Flynn bc hes a knicks fan and i think that counts for some, however miniscule it may be, Give me flynn and ill be fine.

Agreed. but with maturity maybe Curry can become a better floor general. Plus he has a really high basketball IQ which i think will make up for somethings. His jumper is just so smoot…

Booooo thabeet. hes super soft. like teddy bear soft. if he has a few bad games he will get eaten alive in new york. i hate to say it but i think gortat could do everything he will do and thrive in new york under coach dantoni. Call me crazy. Im on the record as saying id rather have gortat than thabeet.

17 picks? Yes that’s kind of crazy.

Both players will have solid NBA careers, Lawson will end up being better than some think… He is a starting point in this league… In the mode of Terrel Brandon or Brevin Knight… Both great passers… Flynn has the chance to be a star, I believe he will be… Much like a Tim Hardway type, I can see the Chris Paul comparisons though… The Knicks cant go wrong with either guy… They would both be way better than Duhon….Way Better…

They would probably take Rubio at #2 and THABEET at #8….I would prefer Curry at #2 and THABEET at #8…Rubio scares me

No doubt…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmgIPGy0zOE

i won’t.i mean, obvious, wayne ellington,danny green,ed davis, and tyler hansborough had nothing to do with that.

tommy, you know, take away each respective point guard away from their team and its unc>>>>syracuse.lawson will be an ok player.

and i don’t recall mentioning jennings.

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