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According to the Pioneer Press, Rick Rubio is prepared to stay overseas, 
making the choice of drafting Jonny Flynn a huge mistake for David Kahn.
The report was that Rubio was content with the Wolves for about 4 minutes until the drafted Flynn, leading to Rubio’s disgust with Minnesota.
“…The Minnesota Timberwolves’ top draft pick, Ricky Rubio, 18, will remain in Spain to play for his DKV Joventut basketball team for the remaining two years of his contract rather than try to move to the NBA this season, El Periodico reported today. The Barcelona newspaper also says Rubio, who was paid $97,000 last season, plans to withdraw his contract lawsuit against DKV Joventut…”
So let’s see, Rubio is going to stay with his old team? This smells like yet another play for Rubio. Dropping the lawsuit is an interesting turn of events and one that I am shocked at. How could the Wolves NOT try him soon and get for him while his value is so high? How can they let him sit overseas?
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I’m happy because of two reasons:
1. Even though we can’t have rubio, nobody can.
2. Now knicks fans can jump off the “we need rubio bandwagon” and focus more realistically on players that would work just as well, if not better.
I’m dissapointed as a fan of the NBA, i wanted to see this kid play
This David Khan has too much pride….he made a HUGE error and instead of seeing the writing on the wall and making a deal he’s being stubborn…good luck…I hope it blows up in his face. The 1st pick he’s made as a GM and this is the outcome
does this mean he wouldnt play for an NBA team next year if he got traded?
No, because he would have to seek his buyout again, but his rights can still be traded for..
The buyout would be considerably less if he were to leave next year as apposed to this year.
No need to hope this blows up in Kahn’s face… It already did. I can’t get over how irresponsible he has been, is being. Nothing could happen now that would lead to this being considered a success, let alone an anything short of an utter failure. What a fool; I’m sorry, but its true. You don’t need to know what’s going on behind the scenes to know that if Rubio plays in Spain, Kahn is already a huge failure. For him to claim that the 2 year wait is fine and that Rubio will be the starting pointguard the moment he walks through the door is EVEN MORE FOOLISH than the move itself. First of all, you can never say that about an 18 year old who has never played american ball, no matter who he is. That just doesn’t happen. Second of all; how does that make Flynn feel? My bet is he is even more heated than Rubio about the hole situation.
And the wolves managing legacy continues…
wow
I believe the buyout is actually HIGHER next year.
Not only is Rubio and his team calling the T Wolves bluff he is also calling DKV’s bluff./
Lets remember that DKV is in financial trouble — they pledged the Rubio buyout to the Spanish IRS for taxes owed. They are also being dropped to a lower league in the Euro League based on their performance last year.
DKV probably REALLY REALLY wants the money from the Rubio buyout to settle their debts and move on. Who wants an unhappy player making 1-10th of what they could be making in another league.
That he specifically said he wants to play for DKV for 2 more years makes me call bull shit on the whole story.. This is all part of his grand plan. It either lands him in Real Madrid or the NBA.
Thats BS because if they Trade Johnny Flynn he still wont play for the T-Wolves, so I see that as just talk on Rubios part, Kahn is def hard headed and in the end I think hes gonna look like a fool if he doesn’t already. Rubio wants to be traded Kahn wont trade him end result Rubio will never play a min in the NBA.
Kahn seems as if he will be cleaning out his desk saying I wont trade Rubio he transformational blah, blah, blah.
All the guy had to do was take a PG and a wing player and call it a day. And as bad as this sounds, if he knew rubio didn’t want to play for him at all, he should not have taken him. I know it is unfair that foreign players have that kind of control, but hey, what can you do?
Instead, he takes Rubio, AND another top tier PG, which is a slap in the face to rubio, and refuses to trade him claiming that when he comes in 2 years he will automatically be the starting PG, which is a slap in the face to flynn. So all he did was give away his starting PG and starting SG, and draft 2 kids, (slapping them both in the face pretty hard). And one of the kids now won’t ever play for his team.
ugh… wow
Biggie, where can we confirm whether the buyout goes up or down next year? I figured it goes down because he’s only backing out of one year of the contract rather than two.
from hoopsworld
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=12698
However, DKV Joventut does have Rubio’s signature on last season’s addendum to the contract which gave the mop-topped point guard a pay raise. The team is trying to leverage that signature into either 6 million euros this season or as much as 10 million euros next season.
was just about to post that but will talk about it here. that’s great news financially for the knicks, that and the fact that Stern always wants the real European talent in the NBA stat.
It sets a bad precedent, but again, we’ve seen this in other sports. Players do want to go to teams and it happens.
Tommy, I want to know what YOU think will actually happen with this Rubio situation…
Said it since day 1…
in the end, Rubio will be a knick.
I think you’re right.. But when is “the end”? that is the key question.
Ive shared my grapevine story that Management (D’Antoni in particular) like Rubio a LOT more than they are letting on and are working hard behind the scenes to get him here.
Hopefully it is this year. Gotta believe that it is more possible than some other media sources are letting on.
Alright, just making sure you still believe that.
Tommy, do you say that because you have any evidence, even anecdotal, to back it up? I don’t think anyone doubts that Rubio will be traded, but assuming that the Knicks are the only potential trade partner, or the only one Rubio’s team finds acceptable, just seems like more NY hometeam myopia. Both the LAC and the GSW would seem to meet Rubio’s criteria, as well as have very attractive trade pieces to offer the Wolves.
Rubio will play in the NBA eventually. If he doesn’t come out next year, then that is an absolute shame. I am sick of players getting drafted in the first round and deciding never to come over the the US. For Rubio, that is magnified because he would be the highest profile player to do that and he would be the highest picked player in hte draft to do that.
David Kahn doesn’t owe anything to Rubio. Rubio is being a baby, just like foreign players before him have been. Kahn owes absolutely nothing to Rubio.
However, Kahn owes it to the Wolves organization and to the fans to make something out of that pick.
If he can get Wilson Chandler for Rubio, then he should take it. He then will have filled two of his holes in the starting lineup with two players under 22 years old, one of which has proven that he can be an above average player in the NBA.
i dont think Rubio is being a baby.
He has to PAY to come over. Essentially working for free. Look at Rudy Fernandez. he had to pay a big buyout now he is getting NO minutes in Portland and will likely NOT get a significant raise in his second contract — nor will he get any endorsements to make up for what he has to pay to get here.
It’s a shame what Kahn is doing. David Stern should really talk to him. With the unprecedented players leaving the NBA to play in Europe last year you know it is going to get worse.
More players will leave to play in Europe rather than be tied to the salary cap and restrictions on buyouts. Not saying it will be USFL level but Stern HAS TO have his eye on this trend .
The best players in teh world should be in the NBA. Simple as that.
I’m very confused of what Kahn is doing…does he still think that Rubio is ‘worth the wait?’ Does he think that in 2 years Rubio is just going to come back and say OK I’ll play for you now. Everyone in Minny already must hate Rubio and with this current situation and the fact that Flynn is there, does Kahn think Rubio will EVER play for Minny? This is what Kahn gets for being greedy…
He thought he was being a genius by getting Rubio and saying he would wait, but now the chances of Rubio EVER playing in Minny are basically 0.
However, I’m thinking this can be a good opportunity for the Knicks to pounce on Rubio. With the fear of ending up worse than before, Kahn eventually will get out of fantasy land and realize that he is screwed if he can’t deal Rubio. Maybe we could get a better deal than before.
The only thing I’m worried about is a team like the Heat, which has a good city, good weather, and some good talent, going after Rubio and offering better players, such as Michael Beasly or something. But I think we could offer as good as an offer as any other team because nobody is going to make another Kahn mistake and give up good players only to be screwed over. The Knicks have nothing to lose though…
What is everyone’s thoughts? Please post, I’m very curious to hear…
I agree, I mean, if Jonny Flynn becomes a very good PG, which Minnesota would obviously hope, then where does that leave Rubio in two years? My gut tells me that Kahn is just going to be stupid and not deal him, but logically he has to try and make something of the situation.
Rubios never going to play in a Minny outfit, if they dont trade his rights by the time hes a FA, expect him to go sign a long term deal somewhere in europe..
And a dumb as I think Kahn is, he can’t be dumb enough to hold on to Rubios rights…He has 2 seasons to trade it, and Rubios rights will still be very valuable
I bet Kahn prays every night that he could rewind time and get a draft do-over…
I must be be the only person in America that thinks Kahn made a good move.
When Rubio fell to Minnesota, he was far and away the best value on the board. It didn’t matter much if he was willing to sign or not because half the NBA wants him and you can always trade him. Once Kahn picked him, he still needed to make sure he had his PG of the future. So he chose Flynn. Personally, I think that was a questionable selection that everyone should be pissed off about. I would have taken Curry, but that’s beside the point. Time will tell whether Flynn or Curry becomes the better PG.
Now it’s rather simple.
If he really really loves Rubio and thinks he’s going to become a super elite PG, he can wait a couple of years for him. Sooner or later Rubio is going to want to come to the NBA. It’s a guarantee.
In the mean time, Minnesota stinks anyway and would stink even if they had Rubio or he had selected someone else intead. They are far away from being a serious contender. So he can afford to allow Rubio to develop overseas and come when he’s actually ready to be a starting PG and lead the team. Then Flynn could always be traded. Personally, I doubt he’s going to do that, but it’s not as horrible scenario as people are making it out to be. There’s really not that much downside. It would be a disaster if Minny was one player away and needed Rubio or someone else right now and they blew it. But that’s not the case. They suck either way.
To me, that’s all moot because he’s almost certainly going to trade Rubio anyway.
Instead, now he has half the NBA looking to deal for Rubio and I think he’s going to ultimately trade him for more value than he would have gotten by selecting Curry, Hill, or someone else with the #5 pick etc…
So how long do the people of Minnesota have to wait to see competitive Basketball?
I mean Minny doesnt hav a salary cap problem. They HAD a decent player in Foye and could have added TWO nice TOP players out of this draft to build with.
Now we know Kahn said he was surprised when Rubio was there. So why didnt he immediately look to trade the player and get either more picks or players RIGHT THERE?
He HAD TO Know that Rubio would not be happy with Flynn as the follow up draft pick. What should he have done? Pick Rubio and Curry and talk them both into coming to Minny as a dynamic guard tandem that can play RIGHT NOW. Not in two years and be a very questionable pairing of Flynn/Rubio.– Which NO ONE thinks will ever actually happen because it is Sooo bizarre.
If he can get a decent young wing with TONS of upside in Chandler and another piece or two he needs to jump all over it. You cant compound your mistakes. trading two decent players (Foye/Miller) for a number five pick in a draft where there are only a few sure things was the first mistake. He’s made at least three more mistakes since then.
Yea, trading Foye and Miller for Chandler and Nate/Harrington seems like a good deal for the T Wolves to me. Kahn could actually come out not looking so stupid…
that’s an interesting way to look at it, and seems to make him look good in the end, however he will always be remembered for how terrible he handled the situation
>>So how long do the people of Minnesota have to wait to see competitive Basketball?<
Well, I’m not sure, but Kahn is just getting started so I think you have to give him some more time.
I agree that taking Curry at #6 made more sense because he could probably play WITH Rubio and still be the PG of the future if he was traded, but apparently Kahn likes Flynn better. People are assuming this was a mistake because it hasn’t been settled yet. Plus we don’t even know who is going to better between Curry and Flynn.
I think trading Foye for #5 was fine. Foye is OK, but I think you have trade 1 or more “OK players” for a potential all-star and that’s what you are dealing with when you have a #5 pick.
Let’s see how it turns out in a few more weeks and then we can decide whether he was a bonehead or not. I think he’s going to get at least 1 very good player for Rubio before it’s over.
We can all assume that Kahn had Rubio rated higher than Flynn. He didnt think he was going to be there at 5 and he has called him things like “transmorph-gational”
I agree that he must have liked Flynn better than Curry and MAY have not liked Curry at all. In fact i dont think Curry even worked out for Minny.
So his best move considering that (and I disagree with Flynn over Curry) would have been trade out of the #5 pick for more “assets”
Letting this thing drag on is the worst scenario because it introduces more risk to the situation. Ricky could sign long term with Real Madrid and never come here or g-forbid – could get hurt and never play.
If he leverages Rubio into Chandler and Harrington he will have done well but 10 million dollars in pieces will have to come back to make the salaries match up.
We’ll see how it all develops .. he SHOULD (better) get at least one good player when it all ends
Minny is about 8 million under the cap, all we have to do is take back Cardinal’s 6 mil
that works.. plus Harrington’s expiring gives them space next year…
What if while Rubio is playing overseas, he gets injured or something along those lines happens? What would Kahn do then? Letting Rubio play overseas is basically saying goodbye, with the risk that he may never end up getting anything back for him. If Rubio decides that he will never play in the NBA, where does that leave Kahn? Screwed.
Rubio’s value is probably higher right now than it will ever be. Having just played in the Olympics as an 18 year old against the U.S.’s best, I don’t see how he could become MORE valuable as an asset than he is now. If Kahn trades him now, at least he could get the players back that he needs and he wouldn’t ever have to worry about Rubio again. However, if he waits, Rubio may be forgotten, get injured, or never want to play in the NBA.
Kahn needs to look to deal him fast before he himself is shipped off from Minny. No good can come of waiting 2 years, and the safe and smart thing is to deal him ASAP.
On a different note, according to Marc Stein of ESPN, Marcin Gortat just gave a verbal to Dallas for a 5yr deal at the midlevel exception.
Eddy Curry must be looking more and more like a big juicy hamburger to Daryl Morey as each moment goes by!
Let just hope Daryl Morey doesn’t look like a hamburger to Eddy Curry. LMAO
GREAT NEWS>> !!!! VERY FUNNY!!
get on the phone Donnie!!
http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/backpage/archives/2009/07/knicks_nets_fre.html
The More I think About It The More I like The Idea of signing J Kidd for the MLE, he wouldn’t have to play a lot because we Duhon and Toney D backing him up and J Kidd can show Toney how to be a real PG.
He is still a good Passer which could help our shooters and his Leadership would help our Youngins.
I’m suprised he’s not asking for a contract review, which is common in this situations. he’s not making a lot of money.
He dropped the lawsuit, that means he really dislikes the T’Wolves.
I expect him to sign with Real Madrid for 2 years. I’m just guessing.
Rubio wants minutes, with Flynn there too, plenty of those minutes would be gone, and quite frankly, forcing one of the two to defend the other teams SG is just torture. (did i spell it right?)
Ron Artest just signed with the Los Angeles Lakers Link here:
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/07/02/report-ron-artest-will-sign-with-lakers/#comments
Repeat…I wonder if Lamar will sign with the Knicks for a MLE hey he can home? Hopefully Donnie looks into this if J Kidd doesn’t love NY as much as Richard Jefferson said.
He has a ring so now he can come home and get the hometown team where it needs to be.
… HEY I havent read all the comments … but is this Rubios camp playing hardball saying hes going back to spain …. or is this it.. OFFICIALLY?
“The Knicks have highlighted this years free agent frenzy so far wooing Jason Kidd. The Daily News reports that Kidd got a three hours tour. Thursday. If the Knicks can’t get Kidd they are interested in Grant Hill. And if anyone wants Wilson Chandler the Knicks will give him up in a minute.”
If this is in fact true, we could see Wilson being shipped off to Minny soon…