Kidd to Stay in Dallas?

Ramon Sessions or Raymond Felton….

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Who would you rather have? Sessions mihgt be a better player, but he has not proven it yet. Felton has had 4 pretty good statistical seasons in Charlotte and he would have even better stats here. He is a fast PG that can run the floor all night long.

Felton does not get as much other guys, but he quietly puts up some good numbers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=2753

Sessions

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=3231

Sessions is a good player but he wont put up better numbers than Duhon and since we picked up Douglas he has a back up. Since Kidd is gonna stay in Dallas I think we should just shut it down on the FA front.

We should Make that move Curry and Hughes for T- Mac and look to move Jared Jefferies contract save all our pennies make a hard run at the Playoffs then make a Huge spalsh in the 2010 FA market with all that CAP space.

I would look @ Marion but its iffy with all our 3/4 and him having some issues with Mike D if they can make up I think he would be the best FA pick up other than Kidd, we don’t need Hill or Odom.

I like the idea of possibly getting Sessions. I kept trying to think about how Kidd would fit, and I kept dreading the idea of Kidd in NY for the next 3 years.

Personally, I like Felton better. I just feel like he’s better at running an offense/the floor than ramon. Ramon is probably the better shooter, but Felton is the better passer and I’d prefer his passing to ramon’s shooting considering felton’s speed leads to him driving to the basket more frequently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxqE3Mw_IZI The musics herendous but the vid of felton shows a lot about him…

That music is absolutely awful.

what do people think about luther head? If we can’t get a good pg this year we can use him and douglas to keep duhons legs fresh and then go after nash next year. or we can always win the lottery and sign john wall.

That’s not the word, but it definitely shows a lot about felton’s passing/driving abilities…

We would be just as well off bringing up a point from our d-league team.

See we wouldn’t have this problem if we drafted Brandon Jennings we might have other problems but not this one.

I think I’d prefer Sessions, but not by much. Him only being 23 would probably be the clincher, not that Felton is old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT3_fxWyplA Jennings is the next steph marbury…we don’t want/need him…

Felton turned 25 literally one week ago, so it’s really not that big of a deal

Honestly, I think both stay where they are.

As for Iverson, I am absolutely baffled that no team would be willing to take a flier on him. This is Allen Iverson we are talking about here.

Detroit was not a good fit for him. That was a team that had already peaked. That team had a first year coach that has already been fired. It just was not a good situation. He had to mesh with stars that were established on that team such as Rip, Prince, and Wallace. His presence amongst the other veterans was not a good fit.

Iverson was dealt for Chauncey Billps, who is regarded as one of the best PGs in the league.

Imagine the interest level in Iverson if his situation in Detroit did not work out so poorly? I am surprised a team like San Antonio has not shown any interest for one year (though with Jefferson, they do not really need him).

Truthfully, with his skill set and his star power, I am also kind of surprised the Knicks have not tried to sniff him out. I do not think they will, and I do not think he is the “answer” here, but I am just baffled he has absolutely no interest around this league other than perhaps Memphis and Miami.

Memphis is a decent fit, but I am sure he would love to play here. His style in this system would give him monster stats and another contract next year.

Hey Chris, do you think that maybe harrington has enough value that we could do harrington, a future 2nd, and cash for raja bell and raymond felton (via sign and trade)?

I dont want either. Neither can shoot. and they are only adequate passers. if we are gonna get a pg who cant shoot then we need one who can really create.

Felton and Sessions put up assist numbers but they are not creators. And its not like we have a brandon roy or dwade at the 2, who can create. we have no one at the 2. we need a pg who can pass and create. and if he cant do that then he needs to shoot.

Just settling for one of these guys does not make sense to me.

Yes pg is our most glaring whole. but to just get one for the sake of getting one, unless it was a one year deal seems like a bad idea in my opinion.

If we dont get kidd, then we have to go even harder after NASH. and hope he will take a pay cut. (and i hate to say it again, but we will really need to go hard for rubio again.)

Ummm…. Harrington is the best player in the deal. He has an expiring contract.

That is an interesting proposal. I was thinking before of Jeffries and Duhon for Felton and Bell.

Umm… your scenario works, but I do not know if they trade Felton for a bench player.

They need a center, but I do not think that Harrongton and Okafor are a legit starting front court.

I really believe that Felton stays in Charlotte.

Charlotte is close to taking the next step into the playoffs. I think the 2 headed monster of Augustin and Felton works for them. I think they need an explosive 2 guard, and Gerald Henderson might be just that. They also need a center. I would love to move Eddy Curry to Charlotte. Curry and Okafor can be an interesting tandem along with Wallace and Diaw in the front court. But I do not think they take on a guy like Curry without shipping out Nazr Mohammed first.

We don’t have a pick next year…

What does that have to do with our d-league team?

I agree, there may not be a player who fits our system more perfectly than Rubio for another 5 or 10 years…

Rubio doesn’t fit our system as “perfectly” as you think…he’s a significantly worse shooter than both felton and sessions…

Yea but he’s pass first anyways…he’s a MUCH better creator than either of those guys and I would much rather have a PG who is a great passer and creator with amazing vision than a PG who is an OK shooter with OK creating abilities and OK passing abilities…

Plus, Rubio is 18 and will develop into a pretty good spot up shooter like Kidd has…

He also has that European style of play that Dantoni loves..

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kjar6c

Have you seen felton run the point? Rubio’s not a much better creator/much faster at this point at all. Rubio has more potential; yes, but honestly, he’s not a better player than felton by any means at this point. Not to mention that he created against subpar defense. Felton is an ok shooter with excellent creating and passing abilities. He’s a better shooter than rubio and almost if not just as good creator/passer.

I think they’ll end up being the team to take a flier on Iverson.

Felton
Iverson
Diaw
Okafor
Curry
——–
Wallace
Augustin
Henderson

OK Guys Can we slow down with the Rubio love until he has actually played a minute of NBA basketball..

I know that Bell and Nazr works for Curry, but I’d rather keep Curry for the extra 6 million than take on Nazr.

Iverson in Charlotte would put them in the playoffs, but I do not know if he goes there. I still believe a swap of Jeffries for bell works and will get done eventually. Jeffries is a great glue player and can play multiple positions on that Cats team. Both him and Diaw off the bench give a ton of versatility. If Iverson were to sign there, that team can go 9 deep.

Felton
Iverson
Wallace
Diaw
Okafor

Diop
Jeffries
Henderson
Augustin

We do need a 2, and thats why they’re looking at almond and why they want to keep nate. we really need another PG but the sad truth is that sessions aint comin, niether is felton. bibby stays in atl, nash aint comin.

Kidd was the best play but he aint comin. I’m anxious to see what walsh has up his sleeve here, because the rest of us have no clue. we’ll probably just use money to keep lee and they will sign almond and we’ll go into the season with duhon and douglas.. What happens with nate is the big question in my mind.

duhon was good the first half of the year but he was playing through alot of pain and he had no relief. he’s a good PG and i give walsh and no-d-antoni alot of credit for getting him. Hopefully they have someone else identified out there that we havent thought of that they can get.

Yeah, I think that that’s the only curry trade possible and it’s still not that practical for us

At first I thought Nates chances of coming back were 0
But it looks like the market for a 5’9, score first point guard, with ON-court character issues, is much smaller than I thought it would have been..
Poor Nate, He thought he was gonna get big bucks this summer..
and now might have to settle for the QO of 2.2Mill

&Morris Almond can shoot the lights out, but hes a selfish player & I wouldnt want him on this team next season..

As far as an SG goes, We should aim for Von Wafer, or maybe even Flip Murray..

felton and bell would be good additions. felton is in the qualifying year of his contract. I believe he could be traded without resigning him. I would make that trade.

I feel like Charlotte wouldn’t take Harrington because they already have Diaw who is a versatile big who can hit 3s.

If we need leadership, playoff experience and good outside shooting… Why not go after Bibby, he is the only pg available who has a similar shoot efficiency as Nash… And he would replace what we lost in Crawford, a guy who can take and make big shots at the end of the game… All the draft sites stated that Stephen Curry best case scenario is Bibby… So why isnt Bibby on the Knicks radar, if they loved Curry… Weird right, I think he should be the option after Kidd and Nash… And he is a steal for the midlevel, and is only 31 which is young compared to them…

Let’s trade Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries for Tracy McGrady.

Trade Nate and Lee for Kenny Thomas.

Then maybe because we don’t have any players signed, David Stern will give the team the number one overall pick and we’ll finally have a star!

***dabs the drops of sarcasm from the last statement***

Cutting all this salary is a really big gamble it could be worth it but it is pretty much betting the farm and if it doesn’t work, then what?

When I say what if it doesn’t work I mean if Lebron James, Dwayne Wade or Amar’e Stoudemire don’t choose to come here it is a major fail. IMO

I hope that you were being sarcastic on the trades also b/c they are both horrible and both don’t work financially.

We’re bound to get one really good player at the very least…and even if we didn’t, the 2011 class is stacked with the likes of cp3 and d12 anyways

Guys, there’s no reason to waist our MLE on another young guy who will come in and not really do much to change our team. They will just take up cap room into 2010 when we will start saying, ‘ok now we need our real PG.” Duhon will suffice for now, if your other choices are sessions and felton. If Duhon can play the hole season at his normal level (by playing less minutes perhaps) he should be able to have a great season, and we now have the front court players we need to be more consistent in that area.

No reason to waist a MLE on some other young player who won’t make a difference, especially who we know is not our guy of the future. Unless its a great veteran like Kidd or Nash who would do a thousand times more than those 2 players could, there’s no reason to waist our money.

Again, i think all this FA business is making Chris kind of restless, but we just need to be patient and stick to the plan: patience, please.

Yeah well being that we dont have a pick next year, that would make Utah real happy…

Like, are we really talking about signing Ray Felton from free agency? C’mon, that’s a wash, it doesn’t do anything for us now or in the long run. (especially in the long run).

If anyone mentioned that a couple months ago you’d call them crazy. You’re letting all this FA talk get to you.

I like how our team looks right now, some people might say we failed because we don’t have rubio, artest, gordon, lebron, michael jordan, and michael phelps, but we have put ourselves in the best possible position we can for the time being. That’s that.

I’ve watched Felton very closely. This guy is an all star caliber player if he ever develops any sort of consistency with his jumper. I don’t understand why he hasn’t done this yet. He is a ball hog on defense though, and can play big minutes.. Like Felton alot.

We really just need a smart veteran who knows how to play the game the right way and lead a team. Hill, Nash, or Kidd would all be GREAT, hopefully we can get one of them at the MLE.

Hill shouldn’t interfere with our other forwards.

We can go
Duhon
Chandler
Hill
Galo
J. Hill/Darko

That’s a nice sized lineup with some pretty good shooting, plus we have harrinton.

It’s not as if great players can just be had for really cheap right now… Maybe via trade, but we clearly don’t have the assets, and do you really want to trade for VC or richard jefferson?

Artest getting the MLE was not a real example… he chose to be severely underpaid so he could play in LA. That’s all there is to that. According to that math, Sessions could be signed for like 2 million, and that would just be a joke of an offer in the eyes of milwaukee who can match anything.

It’s not just cutting salary. Its cutting bad contracts. Would you suggest that we should have kept crawford and randolph as our premier players? We made our team BETTER, no matter what the financial situation is, we are much better now, and one veteran short of being a playoff team. The fact that we also happened to get well below the cap and shed alot of salary and just a bonus and a testament to the fact that DW and MD know what they are doing.

No offense barnaby but if u think felton has “excelent creating and passsing abilities” than i must be watching the wrong guy. Felton is a bad shooter by NBA standards. not an “ok shooter”. however he is still probably a better shooter than rubio. but i think rubio right now is a better creator and distributor than felton and sessions.

Gallo playing the 4 hahaha he’d have to go against like garnett and players like that he’s a shooter and an ideal SF like Turk…

im with u jeff. boooooo to felton

Jeff, you’re on crack to say that felton wouldn’t help this team…how many times have you seen him play? Check out the video I posted towards the top and watch how quick/crafty he is….this past year he averaged 14.2 ppg and 6.7 apg, which could turn into 17 and 9 in d’antoni’s system. Plus he just turned 25 and he hasn’t hit his prime yet. In his prime, he could easily be an all-star putting up upwards of 20 point and 10 assists a game; similar to nash in his prime. I’m not comparing the two because nash has a shot that felton will never have, but he is still capable of putting up similar numbers.

You’re saying that harrington, tim thomas, and cuttino mobley’s contract made us better than when we had crawford and z-bo? Whatever you’re smoking, please, pass it along. Granted, thomas was shipped for hughes but still…pass it along…

Turk played the 4..

Gallo could be a 4. They’ll bulk him up 15 pounds or so and he’ll be a hybrid between the 3 and the 4 with the ability to play both. Similar to how chandler can play the 2 or the 3.

I think he does personally (from what i’ve seen). I’ve seen tons of his footage dating back to when he was on unc and as far as im concerned, he does have excellent passing abilities. In regards to his shooting, his mid-range/close-range game is solid enough; his long range game is pretty bad hence why I just averaged it out, so to speak, and said ok.

I think we are wasting time talking about Felton. He is staying in charlotte.

How much is Sessions looking for? MLE? More?

I concur Boooooooooo to Felton and Sessions they wont help our team much if anything we should make a play for Marion if not shut it down. Resign Lee to a LOW ball offer and Nate and trade Curry and Jefferies. SIMPLE

“And despite what some commentators might think, CJ Watson is not the answer either. Watson is a nice player and can be good in this system. I thought he was fantastic last year in Golden State, but he is a backup and is a fall-back solution to give depth. He is not a starting caliber PG on a playoff team.”

This is exactly why I think we should sign CJ. It looks more and more likely we’re not going to find our future PG unless Kahn magically came to his senses and traded Rubio. Why should we force the issue with Ray Felton or Jason Kidd or having to give something up for Nash when he’s free next year? Watson is a backup PG (though I think he’s on the cusp of a solid starter) but the beauty is that he can be had for backcup money, $2-3mil. He’s a decent shooter from outside and has great shot selection, he doesn’t force it up. He can grab steals. He’s a decent passer and likes high-percentage shots. He could be our backup of the future when Duhon is gone. I know we have Douglas but we’re not sure if he can truly run the point or if he’s combo guard material.

The Warriors gained 3 PGs this offseason on top of Monta Ellis. So I don’t think it will take much to wrestle him away. Outside Sessions, I really think Watson will be the steal of free agency.

Cheech your right on target none of these guys will do ,we do need a creator like Rubio,I think Duhon and Rubio would be great,but getting Kidd cheap is worth the shot.Nash is going to be older we have to see how he plays this year if we want to sign him next year,.I’d rather have Kidd than Nash because I think he has more in left in the tank,but a young Rubio would be a Knick dream come through we have to make a strong move for him even if we get Kidd getting Rubio is something we have tio get done.

Yes… We improved our record by 10 games. And now we actually have room to sign REAL good players; not the likes of crawford and z-bo…

You must love isiah and everything he did for this organization.

How is that any different from Duhon. Not to mention duhon has a great 3 pt shot. You guys just want to keep signing guys on a whim for now reason, felton would barely change a thing except for the 5 mil or so we would have to pay him.

Rashard Lewis actually played the 4…

LOL, if it was that simple, don’t you think Curry & Jeffries would have been gone a long time ago?

We have duhon, we don’t need to sign any other young mediocre PGs through free agency who we are just going to be trying to get rid of come 2010.

Barnaby if you were in charge you would do the same thing zeke did that ruined our franchize. Did harrington and mobly make us better? YES. our record improved. But by all means, please let’s just go out and sign whoever we can, no sense in being patient or actually using logic.

Chandler can play the 2 or 3 because he can keep up and defend other positions…having gallo play the 4 we would be so weak in the front court…

yea he did but Turk played the 4 a lot too I have seen him play the 4.

I agree, Duhon is just as good as most of these other point guards. His stats were just as good if not better. I’d be just as happy with Duhon running point than like Sessions or Ray Felton. We would also save the money…

Any decent PG with good passing skill scan average upwards of 7 assists in this system, to say that felton would project to 17 and 9, (the random prediction that it is) doesn’t mean anything to me. Do you want this guy as our PG of the future? obviously not. So why sign him. You are just being impatient and trying to sign anyone you can so you can be entertained.

Don’t tell me i am on crack for trying to be reasonable. Yea, i am on crack for thinking that felton is just another mediocre pg that won’t make a huge difference for us, and that duhon is better than him because he can average 8 assists but has a great 3 pt shot.

I am on crack for agreeing with getting rid of z-bo and crawford. That was a terrible move. We would be in such a better position with them moving forward as our core.

Ever since the draft this forum has filled up with impatient, uninformed, illogical people who just want to see sh*t happen no matter what it is. SIGN SIGN SIGN… Do you even get what the point is? do you know what we’re trying to do? To say i am on crack for thinking felton won’t help us is a ridiculous statement that doesn’t belong in this forum. You are the same people who bowed down to isiah every time he made a crazy move, and now you’d be happy to see the same sh*t happen again.

If you don’t think galo will ever be able to play the four in this system, than you are agreeing to let him be a 20 minute, 10 point player off the bench. he is still young and undeveloped physically. he can put on wait. He may not be a rough 4 like garnett, but he can play it the same way lewis has been playing it. If he plays the three, he will get burned all day.

As of right now Duhon is our starting PG who will be gone next year. Nate will probably be gone this year, if not probably the next. Are we ready for Douglas (who might not even be able to play the 1 effectively) to be our go to PG if Duhon goes down??? As far as I’m concerned, we have no back up at the point. He’ll cost HALF as much as Duhon and could be even better in D’antoni’s system.

Felton has been above average, but he is not elite. Nor will he be. He is better than Duhon, but he is not on the same level as, say, Devin Harris.

I just get the feeling that if we dont get Kidd or even if we do for that matter, the next move will be Nate and Jared for Kenny Thomas and Sergio… And he will be our back up point along with Douglas…

No because where does that leave Jordan Hill? Playing the 5? A front court of Gallo and Hill? Rashard could play the 4 because they had Dwight Howard at Center…Jordan Hill is no Dwight Howard, neither is David Lee.

Three points in reponse to your post:

It could be that a PG tandem of Duhon/Felton could be very effective and allow the Knicks to devote limited resources toward upgrading the rest of the roster.

We have every right to want to be entertained in 2009. Though the team didn’t get into the playoffs this year, the product was significantly upgraded while the Knick ship was apparently righted. It was fun.

It seems to me these forums are filled with every type of Knick fan (some insane/unreasonable, some incredibly patient/trusting in the braintrust’s methodical approach); the variety of opinions on every topic is as wide as possible.

I don’t see where acquiring Felton would hamper the 2010 vision, depending of course on what assets the Knicks deploy to get him. To me, it beats the heck out of devoting much, much more to get a declining Nash.

Good points jingo…

when i said ‘entertained,’ i meant it like being entertained for the offseason… Basically, just getting new players so there is something exciting to talk about.

But your points are valid. What bothered me is that someone said i was on crack for thinking that felton wouldn’t make much of a difference to our team… And someone else said something else along those lines when i said that our team improved by subtraction last year, which we definitely did.

well if sessions is the better player now,and continues to get even better,i take SESSIONS .i mean ,why wouldnt you?

taking into consideration ,minutes played,SESSIONS already has better numbers than DUHON, I have better numbers than duhon

if we trade DUHON, someone else can worry about his legs

you wont be sayin that in 3 years when hes blowIn by CHRIS PAUL

CHRIS, man ,sometimes i feel like im living on another planet when i aread this blog!(no offense) but hasnt ALAN IVERSON bee a selfish prick his whole career?a ball hog who never played team ball? why would some team want an older version of this?

duhon is slower than felton and turns the ball over more

SESSIONS is gonna be an all-star

but chris,his situation in DETROIT “DID” work out poorly.now all the other GMs thinks A I is washed up plus they dont want to deal with the baggage of ai ….alls you guys seem to look at are stat sheets,..its the heart,the desire ,the talent,the age ,the attitude,,,,,not just the numbers …SPREEWELL had numbers …where the hell is he? nobody wanted to deal with his issues…when iverson was a kidd people laughed off all those …PRACTICE!? routines now that hes older ,his selfishness just looks more pathetic….you reap what you sow

overpay for the chance to get RICK RUBIO,noone we give up will turn out to be more than very good,but RUBIO HAS A CHANCE TO BE THE JOINT,AND IF HE DOESNT?..WHAT HAVE WE LOST? HARRINGTON,DUHON,CHANDLER? BIG FRIGGN DEAL! but if RUBIO turns out to be the WHITE MAGIC JOHNSON?AND PLAY IN NY? oh my god 12 years of ESPN kissing our asses 12 years of post season play,.12 years of saying “WHOS AL HARRINGTON?WHOS CHRIS DUHON?DOES CHANDLER STILL PLAY? IS JASON KIDD STILL IN THE LEAGUE ? DID MORRIS ALMOND EVER OPEN UP THAT PIZZA HUT?

TURK PLAYED NO 4,EVER

LOOK IT UP!

GALLO IS A 3 .ALWAYS AND FOR EVER

SORRY JEFF but our record was better before we traded Z-bo and crawford and mobly never even played for us,how could he make us better?if you remember,right after harrington got here our over 500 record started going down the drain. you seem to forget,as fans we are supposed to cheer the knicks when they get better on the court,not cheer when we find out that we just saved JAMES DOLAN 2.8 MILLION DOLLARS after we lose a game

all of you guys seem to be under the impression,that KING LEBRON JAMES has already signed with us (knicks) as if the gods of hoops have him gift wrapped and be ready to be picked up in july of 2010.WELL this is not trueLEBRON HAS MANY CHOICES,if he doesnt sign with us ,and wade will almost def stay in MIAMI.NOW WHAT DO WE DO ?BY NOW JASON KIDD who you cried for the KNICKS to sign this year is now 62 years old,GRANT hill another spring chicken,is prolly being fitted for a fake foot.LISTEN i want to see the KNICKS win,i dont give a crap who makes it happen,i am not a fan who roots for the general mgr.i still root for knickerbocker players.you guys act as it is a sacralege to even question what is in the mind of DONNIE WALSH..I SAY question everything!hes been in this league fir 25 years and still has no rings NO RINGS that record does not give him a free pass! the only thing that matters is WHAT HE DOES AS A KNICKERBOCKER…so now think,what has he done since hes been here?lost a few large 9SOME WOULD SAY IMPOSSIBLE CONTRACTS)but thats not even true cuz the CLIPS traded Z-BO less than a year after DONNIE TRADED HIM.signed a couple of BAD PLAYERS DUHON,ROBERSON,ALMOND? DRAFTED A KID WITH A BAD BACK INJURYMISSED OUT ON A TRADE THAT WOULDA BROUGHT US a phenom shooter or passer ,.and if we miss out on 2010 it is def FAIL, alot of you guys seem scared to even say it CHANDLER IS STILL ZEKES…WE MUst dom something to make the team young n good before we know if the king of selfish wishes to grace us with his presence.team wont be better in 2010 by signing a 38 year old pg…go get sessions or RUBIO BY 2010 WELL SEE IF THEY ARE GREATTHEN NEXT YEAR SIGN A GREAT FREE AGENT (EVEN IF IT AINT LEBRON) AND HERES YER LINE-UP
PG-SESSION or RUBIO
SG-JOE JOHNSON
SF-GALLO
PF-CHRIS BOSH or JORDAN HILL
C-DARKO?(WELL IT DOESNT ALWAYS WORK NO TEAM IS PERFKT)LOLCOULDA BEEN GORTAT

ITS REALLY HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE WORSE POINT GUARDS THAN CHRIS DUHON…..peeps on this blog say ‘HOW CAN HE BE BAD?DONNIE WALSH picked him!”

ok,i’ll say it. YES ,I LIKE HEAD er uh sorry

Jeff you’re 100% right. They either just want to be entertained or need instant gratification. They’re writning in all CAPS about guys like CJ Watson and Ramone Sessions….really?? Like we need to sign more mediocre players.

The biggest move in the Knicks made in the last 15 years was Donnie creating cap space and most people here will be willing to sabotage that for mediocre players….

Then they’ll say” why do we need cap space, there’s no gauantee free agents (Lebron, Wade, Bosh) will sign!…boo hoo hoo”…

Seriously this isn’t Charlotte, or Memphis, it’s New York City. New York has an inherent advantage over any other team in Free Agency. Endorsements, Fame, Legend, Madison Square Garden, the Mystique. As long as New York has cap space you could sign that midget family from that one reality show and Lebron will probably sign. For anyone to suggest that the Knicks will end up with unused cap space because no superstar elected to sign in NYC is the most ignorant asinine thought out there.

Also, like I’ve had to remind people, if you strike out on Lebron the game isn’t over. Cap space doesn’t just mean free agents. If you are under the cap you can trade for players without having to trade salary back out. The cap will shrink for the first time since the CBA started and there will be a unique situation of teams willing to trade star players for nothing but cap space to avoid luxury tax. There are teams facing the possibility of not being able to meet operating costs. If we eat into cap space now for more back-ups or one dimensional players then we will get to watch other teams who had patience reap the rewards.

…Jeff you’re not on Crack…the funny thing is they say that Cap Space and waiting for 2010 is to risky…Really? Really? Risky? Providing yourself with the most valuable commodity (Available Money) in the NBA is risky? I think it’s great to finally have a plan and swing for the fences in Lebron – Nothing is wrong with that!!! RIsk is what makes good teams!

It’s great that you root for the team Bob. Personally I root for you to stop using the caps lock button so freely….seriously, I’m sure you have have a point somewhere in there but it makes me just want to skip your entire post and avoid the headache.

No Barnaby, Jeff is arguing that Crawford and Z-Bo while providing more talent were not more valuable due to their overpriced contracts. By shipping them the team got similiar production from players making less money, they also received the added benefit of fiscal flexibility in the future.

The argument can be made that without Z-Bo and Craw (2 players already at their celings) that other players (Chandler, Nate) were able to improve with increased minutes and shots and that may not have happend had Donnie not shipped those 2 players.

It was simply an argument for addition by subtraction.

Also remember though, Zach was injured and didn’t even help the Clippers much and Craw was in Nelsons dog house, so the Knicks were actually a better team by trading those guys based simply on what happened after those trades occurred. Harrington probably had a biggger impact on the Knicks than both Z-BO and Crawford had for their respective teams combined last year.

So in both contexts the Knicks were better without Zach and Jamal.

Patience!!!! Finally…..someone gets it.

Gallo had a hurt back last year so nobody on this thread can say positivley what he can’t do. If you do you’re talking out of your ARSE “BOB GO CAPS”.

What happens if the Knicks land Lebron? or even if Chandler keeps improving? Gallo was drafted to be the 4, always was. He’s Dantoni’s dream 4. A guy who will shoot from outside and open the lane for the guards to attack. A big that can play high pick and roll. You don’t need a thuggish 4 in the NBA anymore. It’s not 1995, the rules have changed and when the Knicks have a shot blocking center they will play more zone defense like Orlando does with Lewis at the 4.

Wow, I made a point without using all caps!!!!

No, Jordan Hill is the future 4. We didn’t draft Hill for him to sit on the bench…assuming Wilson is still here I expect it to be Wilson at the 2, Gallo at the 3, and Hill at the 4…

Yea and I can’t believe you are questioning the Gallinari pick…I think we can all agree it was a good pick. Who would you rather of had? Joe Alexander? Jerryd Bayless? The only player he maybe should have picked was Brook Lopez, but clearly he wanted a shooter, and he found an ideal one.

No matter what Donnie says Hill wasn’t in the plans when they drafted him. If he shows he can block shots and rebounds it’s more likely he plays the 5 or comes off the bench and that if he’s still here, which I doubt.