Nash: Knicks are Second Option

OK ESPN reporting we just offered Kidd a 3 year deal. I hope to god this isn’t true.

Any one else think about the possibility of signing Allen Iverson for a one year deal for like 8-10 million? I feel like that sort of deal would be mutually beneficial as iverson may be willing to accept less money after coming off a rocky season in detroit, so one year in new york could really boost his stock- and from the knicks perspective iverson is an excellent player who will help us win more games, he is a go to guy at the end of a game which we lacked all season, and worse comes to worse if this iverson experiment doesn’t work out we ship him off next summer….any thoughts?

I believe DW sees Nash or Kidd as a first step in getting to the playoffs and respectability. We still have Duhon and in all likelihood Nate Robinson who will return for his qualifying year. DW will continue to look to upgrade at all positions so we will see more trades. Should be good for Knicks fans.

Iverson for 8-10 million????

are u crazy??

Nash > Kidd.

I would rather have Nash 10 times out of 10. But DW needs to make it happen. In my opinion we need to get one of: Nash, Kidd, or Rubio. And if we dont then i feel that DW has come up a little short.

I know some people will say, what about ramon seesions. Well, i like sessions. but ppl forget he cant really shoot. hes not a good 3 ball shooter at all. and i dont know if he can handle 35 minutes a night in NYC. he plays in milwalkee and he hasnt played a full season of full time duty yet. im just skeptical about players who have yet to thrive in big markets and dont have overwhelming personalities. (i can thank the mets for that.)

Nash can shoot better spot up or off the dribble, and is quicker, but Kidd is the better defender by FAR even with having lost a step. The Knicks have no shot blocking hey last thing you need is a matador point guard.

Kidd was a better defender in his prime but at this point has lost so much lateral quickness that they’re on equal footing, I might even give the edge to Nash. This Mavs were hurt so much by Kidds lost step that they had to used J.J. BAREA to stop Kidds assignments! Also, Nash’s experience with MD’s schemes puts him over the top.

Is this on??

Off topic but this is an article from today’s Toronto Star indicating Raptor interest in David Lee. Dunno if its already been posted … anyway, here it is:

http://www.thestar.com/article/659530

good argument for Kidd. I agree Kidd gives you some defense and we really need it.

Ack … its from yesterday, a lifetime ago in the blogosphere. Still, I found it to be interesting read. Happy holiday, ya’all.

Let’s not mistake this. Kidd can no longer play defense. He is not a good defender any more. Kidd can’t play defense like he used to. At 36, Kidd has lost a step on defense. Players like Chris Paul, Steve Nash and Tony Parker score 50 on Kidd. Kidd cannot play D. I’m not saying I don’t see the benefit of Kidd on the Knicks, but we should NOT be suggesting we bring him in because he’s a good defender. That’s just plain incorrect. Seriously- let’s come to an agreement on that.

Yeah, i’d take nash over kidd like the next guy, but I’d consider Aaron Brooks after what Alan Hahn recently said. Here me out on this. According to Hahn, due to t-mac injury and the fact that the “swap” between ariza going to houston and artest to LA left houston with even less people who could score, Eddy Curry is worth more to houston than t-mac. On twitter, Hahn said: “And finally, as I said last night..HOU/T-Mac situation is smoldering. Source tells me it may not take ECurry, perhaps cheaper than that……but it is believed HOU may hit pause a moment after Artest is gone and Yao is out. Need someone. TAriza isn’t a go-to option.” If so, I feel like we should trade eddy curry and larry hughes to houston for t-mac and aaron brooks. Although brooks is a shoot first, pass second guard due to the fact that he is such a great shooter, simple improvement on passing and the fact that he can shoot and run the floor with speed, could lead him to excel in our system. We can try him out b/c he’s a free agent next year. If he doesn’t work out, we could always pursue another guard and even have him come off of the bench to put up some points for us.

First, Rubio:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=myvm3f

+ ’12 1st rd pick

Then Nate:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lu3btw

(Abdur-Rahim’s contract still shows on their books as an expiring if we need to match Nates S&T contract)

Then JACKPOT:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nvbzay

Kidd
Hughes
Chandler
Lee
Darko
———-
Gallo
Rubio
Hill
Douglas

Chris Paul, Steve Nash and Tony Parker are in the West. He isn’t the defender he was in hs prime but he can mentor defense to Toney Douglas and Nate Robinson. Steve Nash doesn’t even TRY on defense. I’d rather pass on the both of them, but to bring a player who ignores defense on an already bad defensive team especially at the point which is the 1st line of defense would be ridiculous.

The third trade makes sense; the other two won’t work. For one, Nate’s contract will push the trade over the salary cap for the kings. The second trade doesn’t work simply b/c shelden is a free agent.

I don’t get how people point to us needing shot blockers as a reason why picking up kidd or nash is a bad pickup. They have nothing to do with eachother. We are not contending this year, we are trying to become a respectable team. If you guys had it your way you would do Isiah’s strategy all over again and just get every good player you can think of.

Not a bad idea but I don’t think Houston would go for that. I doubt we’d be able to pawn Curry off. Jeffries, maybe.

Also, Houston decided Brooks is their PG of the future when they traded Alston. We might get Lowry though.

Maybe if we sign Kidd/Nash/Sessions/whoever we can do Jeffries, Duhon and Hughes for T-Mac, Lowry and Brent Barry

Thank you Jeff. I was arguing with people about this in this blog yesterday. Everybody is jumping on the rubio train and saying that we don’t need nash/kidd, but we need rubio. My argument was that nash and kidd will get us back to respectability wayyyyyy before rubio, so LBJ would be more inclined to come here. If rubio came here, our team would officially become a rebuiliding project, which LBJ would surely stray away from. We could get nash or kidd and then draft a point next year via acquiring a first rounder, which would could then groom under nash/kidd. We’d be better off this way in my opinion.

I really don’t see the point in signing Grant Hill, Jason Kidd or Steve Nash. One has to ask themselves why would 3 aging players with no rings at the twilight of their careers want to end it on a losing team? What is the motivation? $$$?

It’s simple. Kidd only has offers from us and dallas. He’s better off coming here knowing our cap situation since we (can’t believe i’m saying this) probably have a better shot at a ring than dallas at this point. Plus, he’s with his kids. Nash loved d’antoni and isn’t thrilled with his current situation in phoenix although he’s willing to wait it out one more year. He also has a home here. In regards to grant, the offers for him are limited. Why not get a chance to play in msg?

LOL respectability? For one maybe 2 years? Why is a 24 year old going to sign a long term contract to play with a player who he may only get to play with for ONE good year? He would be more inclined to come (which I still doubt) to play with guys who will be here when he enters his prime which 4 yrs from now!

Believe it or not though, they want curry. Gortat is going to sign with Dallas; leaving them with limited options. In regards to your trade, I would do that in a second, but if they wanted curry, I would maybe do something along the lines of curry, duhon, and hughes for t-mac, lowry, and landry.

The Knicks will not even be in the position to play for a EASTERN Conference Championship in 3 years. My type of player would want to go to a winning situation at that point in their career, not being close to his kids. I don’t give a damn about Kidd’s kids!!! They’re rich and he gets a whole summer off with them every year lol!

You’re missing the point. Kidd/Nash does bring our team to respectability in the sense that they make everyone better. We draft a point guard, who gets groomed under kidd/nash who can turn out to be just as good, if not better than rubio. It’s a better situation than lebron coming to a team that needs times to develop young talent. I don’t think LBJ will come here personally, but I definitely think that he’d be more inclined to come here with kidd or nash running the show; grooming a young point behind him as opposed to a 19-year-old raw point guard running it.

Somebody’s pessimistic, lol. But i’m pretty sure that most would agree that with donnie walsh, we’re in better hands than dallas in regards to winning the eastern conference championship within three years. Think about how dallas has to deal with the lakers and the spurs (after the RJ acquisition). Plus, dirk is getting older and his production will probably start slowing if not this year; the next. Plus, we’ll have the cap space next year that they won’t, so I feel like we definitely are in a better scenario. Definitely not this year, but a year or two away. And you can’t be serious. Kidd’s 36 and his kid’s are starting to grow up. Why wouldn’t he want to be in the biggest media situation possible, with a system that fits his game, right near his kids?

I think i big point in Kidd’s decision will be Kidd’s confidence in Dirk to remain an elite player who is still capable of leading a team to the finals (like he has already proven). If he doesn’t think that Dirk and him cant do it, he might as well take the guaranteed years in NY knowing they have a shot at a superstar.

Whatever dude. Its silly to say Nash doesn’t try. He’s just not a good defender. Neither is Kidd. We aren’t bringing Kidd in bc he is good at defense. That’s all I’m saying. Bring Kidd to the Knicks, fine. But its bc he is a good passer and an excellent team leader- his defensive stopper days are behind him.

Having a matador point guard on a poor shot blocking team will lay the red carpet out for slashers and drivers in the lane, put the bigs in even more foul trouble, more time in the penalty, more points for the other team, more losses. Who is “you guys”? I never mentioned Isaiah Thomas. LOL @ “getting every good player you can think of”. As opposed to getting every old player you can think of?

I’m not arguing that Dallas has a chance to win anything (they’re not), but New York is definitely not winning anything as presently constituted. I’ll believe Lebron James is coming when I hear his name during player introductions opening night 2010.

There’s a major difference between “old players” and veterans who can still play/lead their teams. Is kidd on the decline? Yes. Is nash on the decline? Sort of. Are they better suited at the point and more attractive to LBJ? Yes. They will lead this team a lot better than rubio will. It will only for about two years or so, but like I said, we acquire a first rounder next year and groom them under kidd/nash, which enables us to have a productive point guard when kidd/nash retires. Rubio, by himself would need a good 2-3 years to develop anyways. With that said, after one year, we’d be a much better team with kidd/nash and a rookie backup under them as opposed to rubio running the point.

I’ll say it again, New York will win the eastern conference championship before dallas will win the western.

You are missing the point Has. These players have the oportunity to play for the premier offensive coach in the game. These players are offensive players who would thrive in this system. A three year contract in NY is just what the doctor ordered for an aging, offensive minded vet. If we cxan make 1 or 2 shrewd moves this offseason, and then make a big splash next year, we could easily be in contention in 2010.

And just in case you forgot reading it above, “… I live in New York City, and I love it there, and [Knicks head coach] Mike D’Antoni was one of my favourite coaches. If it didn’t work out in Phoenix, obviously that would be a place I’d consider…” Ummm- that is why Nash would want to come to NY.

Being in the “biggest media situation” on a losing team is no fun. A year or 2 away from WHAT?! He’ll be 38 then! I’m not saying he wouldn’t want to be near his kids, I’m saying I don’t care about his living situation. I want someone who wants to win! (games not parenting awards)

I don’t like Steve Nash. He’s more worried about entertaining fans than winning games. I don’t think he deserved the MVP once let alone 2 yrs in a row. He plays one end of the floor (offense) and he has never been to the finals, probably a first for an MVP in this era.

guys the more i think of this …. its got very very little to do with talent ….
this is like the mets signing pedro martinez, only kid is even further into his twilight ….. this is about bringing back respect and credibility to the knicks organization ….
many people believe beltran, delgado and some other would not have signed with mets without the pedro signing …..
if big time stars like bron,wade, etc feel that a team signing a jason kidd shows more of a committment to winning, as opposed to signing a player like a ramon sessions… then so be it.. the sacrifice will be worth it

I also think it’s offensive that you said offensive 3 times in one paragraph to justify your point lol. We scored a bunch of points LAST year!

So the Knicks should sign Bill Russell! He’d bring back respectability to the Knicks and he has what 13 rings?!

Kidd to a team a player away from getting out of the Conference finals, yes maybe. THAT”S a commitment to winning. Kidd to a team 4 players from having home court in the 1st round of the playoffs is irrelevant.

I’m not measuring New York’s success by Dallas’ failure. I don’t care what they do. I never said Dallas was going to do anything, that was never part of my argument.

Grooming what point guard? Everyone here has thrown Nate Robinson under the bus and given up on him, so who? What I’m saying is Kidd is only going to help a team for 2 more years the Knicks are further away than that and why would LBJ come here to play with someone he won’t be playing with for more than a year at a high level? (lol @ Kidd playing at a high level a year from now)

What superstar do they have a shot at? People are setting themselves up for some major disappointment by putting all their eggs in one basket. You think people were disappointed at being so close and missing out on Stephen Curry! Wait until Lebron and Wade re-up with their respective teams.

Well call me silly, Nash doesn’t try on defense! He had good feet pretty, good lateral quickness and it never translated into him being a decent defender or even being able to keep his man in front of him, why because he didn’t try. Watch him play defense again, go back even to his “MVP” years. He sucks. He’s a great passer, yes. I just don’t want this team to lose complete sight of defense. Defense wins championships.

I’m not convinced about Ricky Rubio either. Do you see me campaigning for Rubio. He looks weak and soft I think he’d get manhandled in the NBA for a few years. Get Kidd and Brandon Jennings (who supposedly are friends, both from Cali) and then I could see your “plan”. But with the team giving up on Nate Robinson, who are they grooming?

HAHAHAHA, all right, you should stop talking now. Brandon Jennings? Are you serious? Did you hear that he said “f-you” to the knicks and rubio and said that duhon can’t get it done in NY? He’s the next stephon marbury meanwhile you’re campaigning for him. Just stop dude. I was talking about a first rounder next year to groom under kidd. This year could just be about bringing a veteran presence into NY; something they need.