Opinion: Is Losing Kidd A Bad Sign For Next Year?

I truly think that the team you just posted is better than the Cavs now. Outside of Mo Williams (kinda), Lebron was doing the rest on his own. The team was garbage, and it finally showed vs. the Magic. This team has a great young talent and shooter in Gallo, a dynamic and athletic G/F in Chandler, a strong and great rebounding PF in Lee, a scorer in Harrington, and the potential of young and athletic Jordan Hill. I see a lot more talent and potential to win a championship in this Knicks team with Lebron than the Cavs team with Lebron.

Interesting stuff…

The 2006 Cavs that went to the finals boasted this lineup for much of the season:

Larry Hughes

Sasha Pavlovich

Lebron

Drew Gooden

Žydrūnas Ilgauskas

With Varejao, Gibson, Newble, Damon Jones, Shannon Brown, Eric Snow and Donyell Marshall coming off the bench.

So your argument is very very valid. And that Pistons team they faced in the Eastern finals was still very very good. Talent wise, the 09/10 Knicks with Lebron would strongly rival that of that finals team IMO.

And Larry Hughes was the second leading scorer.

So in a vacuum, comparing the two, the knicks situation this time next year is not too bad considering the talent. Only thing we forget is that we will only have Chandler, Curry, Gallo, Jefferies, Douglas, Hill and presumably D. Lee under contract…But once/if Lebron signs I’m sure other talent will come to NY for a discount.

If you replace Lebron with anybody BUT maybe Wade or Kobe, the Cavs would be complete garbage. The Knicks could have killed the Cavs last year if Lebron wasn’t playing.

I don’t think anyone can make inferences about Kidd’s signing and New York’s ability to attract talent. I mean, would YOU give up $2mill a year to play for this team over another NBA squad that will be in the playoffs next year?

True, but is 2 mil a year good enough to stay in basketball purgatory…The roster that the mavs have is not a championship caliber roster…they’ll be a playoff team and never make it out of round 2 again…They need more help

I really don’t think Kidd has any baring on Lebron. When Lebron is thinking dynasty, he’s not thinking about it with a PG who’s fast approaching 40.

As far as our current squad is concerned, I think we just need to cross our fingers that Danilo breaks out and becomes the 20/10 player we’re hoping for and Jordan Hill reaches every bit of potential. Maybe an unripe Darko will finally find his stride too. Beyond that we must continue our search for a PG of the future and find a suitor for Curry or Jeffries. If those things come together and we make the playoffs then I think we have more than a legit chance at LBJ. Especially if Lebron doesn’t make it out of the ECF.

I do not think Gallo will be a good enough rebounder to grab 10 a game. He does not play the interior enough. But we do not need him to grab 10 per game.

But your point is well taken.

I agree, Jason Kidd not signing with the Knicks is NOT a sign of things to come. Jason Kidd is at different crossroads than someone like Lebron James when he hits free agency in 2010. Other than being close to his children, there was no real reason for him to come to NY to rebuild. He’s older and his best days may be behind him so he needed to get the biggest contract he could get and Dallas gave him that. He’s not going to get a pay day like that again.
Lebron and some of the other free agents in 2010 have a reason to come to NY because its NY and you can get major marketing from companies like Nike and others. Secondly Mike D’Antoni and Donnie Walsh will bring in players to surround the big free agent with. Having David Lee, Danillo Gallinari, Nate Robinson and Wilson Chandler is alot more talent than an aging Shaq, Illgauskas, Joe Smith. Not to mention the star power playing in a market like NY. A player like Lebron can become a global icon!

I’d say, if Lebron wins this year, it’s up in the air. But if he loses, I say he def comes to NY. Losing this year with Shaq and everything will be a wake up call to Lebron that first off, his team sucks, and second of all, it’s not worth being in Cleveland for. He knows how big of a celebrity he would be in the greatest city in the world and how much the fans love him at MSG. He would have to be crazy to turn down NYC for Cleveland.

In regards to us being better than cleveland on paper when they don’t have lebron, I sort of agree, but then I disagree as well. I think that on paper, we are better. However, we have terrible team chemistry; something that they have. One can question if Lebron is the mixing component in the chemistry though.

Just a thought, Varejao opted out of his contract, so why not pursue him? If we can find suitors for JJ and Curry, he could be a perfect option for 20-30 minutes and we all know that he plays his heart out. Plus, that may be a little more tempting to lebron if they are good friends (which i’m not sure of, but it seems probable).

Yeah 10 might be a reach, but I think it depends if he plays the 3 or the 4. While his shot is his greatest strength, Galo does have the power and finesse to take it to the hole. He showed a few flashes of this last year even with the bad back. If he plays PF I think there could be enough possessions in D’antoniball to give Danilo 8-10. But you’re right, unless Harrington is traded and Danilo’s back is 100% he’ll probably play the 3 and stick to the perimeter and grab the occasional long rebound. In a few years though, Danilo could be a double, double guy.

with all due respect chris, that 5 isn’t a very appealing.even with lebron.fact is, curry, duhon, lee, and chandler either shouldn’t be, or won’t be here.gallinari, millicic, and hill, should be starters by 2010.

the point guard situation needs to be resolved with lee, mobley, harrington, duhon, nate, or chandler(any combo would suffice)lebron should be in the backcourt, because he is essentially, the main facilitator for his team.
1-?
2-james(versatile)
3-gallinari(outside game)
4-hill(versatile)
5-milicic-outside game (milicic’s would compliment hill’s like gallo’s would lebron)

the issue with this team is the pg position at this point.

Milicic won’t be here either….he’s a free agent in 2010.

I heard that segment and it’s becoming clearer to me every time I hear him Cowherd is just along for the ride with the rest of the cattle. How are Chicago and Detroit anywhere near the level of the Magic and Celts right now, or the Cavs for that matter? The east is made up of a bunch of mediocre teams with a couple “elite” teams. You could argue with the team we have now, with our improved defense and another year in the system (if we bring back Nate and Lee) this team has an outside chance at the playoffs. We have a few nice pieces to pair with a superstar and Lebron knows he can win with guys like we have. “Losing” Kidd just means we’ll have that much more to throw at a 2nd tier FA next year.

that would be a balanced attack on offense, and with james quarterbacking a defense with length, could be pretty good on defense too.

If we don’t have a PG by 2010, which we will, Lebron can play it. Imagine a back court of Lebron, Chandler, and Gallo…we all know how great of a passer Lebron can be…

if the guy shows he can play in as ideal a system as he can possibly hope for for his game, he’ll be here.he’s better than all the other crap we have, and could sign at c next year.

Thoughts?

Donnie Walsh better do everything he can to get Tracy McGrady from Houston, we need to show FA’s that we can get to the playoffs and we have a supporting cast that can compete on the level of the leagues best.

Why T-Mac, first off his contract is expiring +1 hes the only star player that you could get that fits your situation a great player with 23 mil off the books next year, you can’t get Bosh, Wade, Amare, Lebron in any trade situation, you cant get Carmelo, Dirk, Joe Johnson either, Now there are question marks with T – Mac how will he come back from the surgery blah, blah, blah but if there were no questions there would be no way you could get McGrady from Houston.

Getting into the playoffs next season is just as important as having cap space if not more we have to show that we can compete with the teams in the East, another huge factor were in the East were 41 wins gets you in, McGrady fits the “system” he will be in a contract yr you have to take the chance and hope you catch lighting in a bottle, All we have to do is get in ideally we would want a 6, 7 seed but if we secure the 8 we can make a run look at Celtic Bulls last year, the playoffs this year for us is huge.

Donnie has to get McGrady and pray, pray for a playoff spot.

I was thinking Verajao could be a cheaper replacement for Lee if we lost him, but I just hate him so much as a player. And his agent is a total thorn.

If we needed another big, I’d rather go for Ryan Hollins or Shavlick Randolph at 1/5 the price.

Look at detroit on paper:

PG- Stuckey
SG- Rip
SF- Tayshaun
PF- Villanueva
C-?
6th man- Ben Gordon

Plus Bynum and Afflalo. All the need is a center (they might put for D-Lee) and they are easily contender in the east. Can they keep up with the magic, celtics, or cavs right now? Prob not, but give it a year or so for the chemistry to be put together adn for stuckey to develop even more (same with austin daye for that matter) and they could be a scary team. In regards to the bulls, without ben gordon, I don’t see it. Granted, Rose will develop more, but still don’t see it.

to lose in the first round? we can do that in the east with out tracy.

The key to any T-Mac trade would be potentially getting rid of Curry.

The odds of t-mac contributing to us getting into the playoffs, honestly, at this point aren’t good. While I do agree with you about freeing up cap space and that it’s a low risk; high reward situation, we need higher than the 8 and I don’t think T-Mac can do that for us. Assuming cleveland will get the 1 seed, having us get blown out by lebron probably wouldn’t be very intriguing to him; unless we can put up a fight at home and he sees how much the home crowd loves their knicks.

Right so we’re going to take about an MLE worth of money and spend it on him. Assuming that we can get rid of both curry and JJ, that would leave us with max 24 mil. Lebron will probably command very close to that; if not more.

T-Mac has never even made it out of the first round

I thought about that, but Rip is aging, Prince is nice, but Stuckey isn’t Billups and no one they Bring in is going to be ‘Sheed. They’ll make the playoffs no doubt, but to call them “elite”. Cowherd was calling them elite this year, good team but the Hawks with Craw, can beat that Pistons squad (imo), let alone the C’s, Cavs, and Magic. My real point for commenting though was that Cowherd is a tool who changes his mind everyday.

Eh, it depends what you consider elite. I think they could win 50 games with this team in the 2010-11 season, This year, assuming they can get a center, they are prob a 500 team.

CHRIS,the word is SPURNING,not SPAWNING. although i would like to see JASON KIDD and THE KNICKS ,upstream,spawning

What I want to know is, who are these 15 teams that want to do sign and trades with NY for Lee and what are they willing to give up in order to get him.

Yeah your right thats we did it last year without him…oh wait we didn’t we won 32 games in the Eastern Conference.

i also thought it was interesting that he said “D’ANTONI is more liked by the media,than the players(he just might have a point there)

cleveland can offer him more than that.that’s not the point.its about having the right pieces that fit (talent wise).the pieces i assume could fit are gallo,milicic, and hill.besides,we don’t have alot of money committed to them.

because the knicks plan on retaining him right?and we missed the playoffs barely.

I thought the same thing when I read that David Lee’s agent said that. I think he’s just trying to scare other teams and the Knicks to sign him already.

Agreed. If we take on Tracy McGrady it better be to unload Eddy Curry and his bloated contract.

Who else is out there other than T- Mac ?? We don’t need higher than an 8th seed we just need to get in, do you really think its worse to compete against Lebron and the Cavs and lose rather than not getting in at all. Playing against Lebron in the first round may not be ideal but if anything it would show him how the Garden could be if he came and took the Knicks to the playoffs, and it shows that if the Knicks have that star player they have the supporting guys already there to compete for a championship.

It doesn’t matter. It’s the principle of losing lebron for darko milicic. Donnie won’t take that chance. If we re-sign darko, it will be after all major free agents are gone.

Philly was a .500 team this year would you consider them elite on any level? 50 wins next year is great…but this guy said this year at this moment Detroit is an elite team in the east right now. I mean today I see them as a 7 or 8 seed.

Orlando
Cleveland
Boston
Miami
Atlanta
Washington
Detroit
Chicago
(outsiders that may push the bottom 2)
Philly
(maybe) Toronto

I wasn’t saying that, I was saying that we need to get higher than the 8th seed and the odds of t-mac getting us to the 8th seed, by himself, is not happening. We’re basically just as good without him than with him. Granted, if we give up nothing for him, then obviously we should take him. In regards to who else is out there; there’s plenty; especially if we shop lee. The players that are going to have an impact on this team are people like ramon sessions (if we get him).

the principle of losing lebron for darko? lol.you gotta be kidding me.i’m done debating you.bringing donnie into this equation like i was actually debating keeping darko over lebron.what a moron you are.

He’s exaggerating at this point b/c he wants other teams to think that they need to offer the highest salary to get lee. Unfortunately for lee, he came into a free agency where the economy is the worst that its been in nearly 30 years and as a result, he’s only going to get MLE type money most likely.

i absolutely despise colin coward. he’s a belligerent yankee and knick and all things new york hater. anyone that ever listens to him is baffled from a new yorker perspective.

listen to Brandon Tierney – beats cowherd by intelligence, humor and dignity.

anyway, coward as got it completely wrong, AGAIN. figures.

Hold Up The Fact That a 36 year old PG looking for a ring even thought about coming to a up and coming team Doesn’t That Mean Something?

Wtf is with people re-wording what I say in this thread today, geez. I’m saying, do you consider 50 wins elite? They won’t be elite this year, but to me, the elite win 50. Next year they could win 50 with that team, which would make them arguably the 4th or 3rd seed in the east.

I think it’s more about the market and the location (near his family) than the fact that we are “up and coming”.

Making the playoffs doesn’t have to be just for Lebron or to look good or whatever. Don’t you guys just want to see the Knicks play in a playoff game? It’s been 8 years already since we’ve seen a playoff game in the Garden. Regardless of whether we are getting Lebron or not, I just wanna see us in the playoffs. The city and the Garden have been waiting, and I’m expecting the 8th seed this year.

I’m the moron? Yes. Think about what you are saying. You’re saying that we re-sign darko. Re-signing darko will inhibit our ability to sign Lebron, so in theory, according to your logic behind signing darko, we would be trading off darko for lebron. Learn the figures and think about what you’re saying. In regards to the right pieces that fit, I agree, but all the right pieces that fit won’t matter if we don’t bring a superstar in here, so to keep one piece at the cost of losing a superstar is not worth it.

The only reason to get TMac is to unload Curry. TMac just had microfracture surgery and won’t be ready at the start of the season. Plus, he sucks. Someone tell me that it was just a coincidence that the first year that the rockets made it past the first round of the playoffs was when Tracy was on the pine with an injury so I can have a nice hearty laugh.

Eh, it’s arguable. In one sense, i’d rather not make the playoffs and get a better draft pick if we were to get the 8th seed and get blown out. On the other hand, if we could get higher than the 8th or put up a fight at the 8th, then yes, I would like to make the playoffs.

word up. and to think 1050 got rid of Max “the voice of NY” Kelerman to put colin blowhard cowherd on the air is a stomach punch to my sports radio

Retaing who McGrady no unless he would be signed on the cheap. Getting McGrady would be like a dress rehearsal for a Lebron or Wade it would show what the team could do with a star player.

Right, he won’t have any effect on us what so ever. That’s what I was saying. He won’t lead us to getting the number 8 seed, but rather free up cap. He will be lucky if he plays half the season after rehabbing his injury and honestly, he averaged 15.6 points a game last year; what can he do that larry hughes can’t do for us?

We don’t have a pick next year. Plus, I bet we would be exciting in the playoffs. Just to watch the Knicks be in the playoffs would satisfy me. All the hype, national TV, etc. would be so good for the Knicks.

we dont have a draft pick in 2010

Oh yeah, forgot about that. My bad.

THIS YEAR, THIS SEASON NOT NEXT. This year they are not a 50 win team. I think that 55-60 really makes an elite team. Barnaby I’m not twisting what you’re saying, you’re just not reading what I’m writing. Are the Pistons this year an elite team in your opinion. Next year is next year. There’s no way you call us elite this year but we get Lebron and Bosh/Amare (whoever) and all of a sudden we can be on that level. Heading into this season with the rosters set the way they are can you call them elite? Do you say wow, the Cavs/Magi/Celts better watch their backs?

LOL, dude, that’s what i’m saying. I was agreeing with you that this year they are not elite this year. They are good this year. But they will be elite next year. That’s all I was saying from the beginning. They are not elite, so the guy is wrong, but they will elite again next year.

Ramon Sessions ?? You can’t be serious are you comparing McGrady to Ramon Sessions not even close. Dude We won 32 games last year and we might be a worst team if we lose Lee and Robinson, how would t-mac not help this team get to the playoffs in the EAST its the EAST. I still don’t get it why do we need to get a higher seed than 8th but I know before he had surgery McGrady was in the Convo as one of the top FA’s in 2010.

This is just all stemming from Cowherd saying Chicago and Detroit are elite teams and lumping them in with the big 3 in the east this year. Im not disagreeing with you that next year Detroit may be something to worry about with the chemistry and depth, I just can’t look at that team and see more then a first round and out team, especially since they are probably going to end up getting one of top 3 seeds.

The Knicks haven’t been to the first round in like 5YRS.

Sorry just frustrated with the lack of postings today, I’m actually bored enough to comment today. Usually just read you guys. Between TKB and Hahn I get enough material to get thru the work day, but its a slow day.

Bradon Tierney said the same thing what are you talking about, I agree though I don’t really like Coward either.

He really has a way to drive you crazy the way he flip flops but maintains his arrogance. How many times have you heard this idiot say “I say this alllll the time….” and the next week he’s got the exact opposite opinion. Not to mention what a kiss-ass he is. Bet if D’Antoni is a guess in the near future we’ll hear from him what a great job the Knicks FO is doing and how were really stockpiling some young talent to match with our 2010 plan.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, wait guys, everybody in this thread needs to see this…according to Bart here, TMAC can do more for our team than Ramon Sessions. HAHAHAHAH. You can’t be serious right now. T-mac will play about 30-40 games max this year and he’ll be lucky if he puts up 15 points considering that he put up 15.6 last year and although this is d’antoni’s system, he’s another year older and recouping from another major surgery. Sessions had 12.4ppg and nearly 6 apg last year. He’s going to continue to improve/develop and is now in d’antoni’s system. He will match that 15 without a problem but do it for the whole year while providing speed to our offense as well as much needed assists. If you’re serious, you sir should stop posting in this thread.

I generally don’t like to “call out” people, but out of curiosity, does anyone agree with bart that Tmac will do more for this team than ramon sessions will?

Dude T-Mac will make 23 million next season Sessions will never make that in a year why because he will never be as good as McGrady.

im sure MARK CUBAN made KIDD some promises about getting some more good players in

Whoa whoa, come on, are you really saying Larry Hughes is as good as T-Mac?? Sure T-Mac isn’t healthy right now, but when he is, he’s a real stud. On the same level as Kobe, Wade, and Lebron in his prime. Did you see him last year in the Garden when he took over in the 4th quarter. He could deffinetly help us make a run to the playoffs, especially if he’s coming off the bench and not being a ball hog…

Aren’t the Jazz in a bad spot financially? Think there is a chance we could buy back our pick? Or Maybe a trade our picks? Would anyone take on AK47′s contract if it got us Maynor and our 2010 pick?

Was Tracy McGrady not in the convo with the TOP FA’s in 2010?

If Sessions is so good why didn’t Portland sign him, or Toronto or Houston if hes a potential Allstar he should have been snatched up a long time ago but hes still out there and the Knicks want him? Yeah it makes sense they Always sign overrated players.

i meant “maybe trade for our pick back.”

Yeah, T-mac has 23 mil due to him b/c he signed a contract 6 yaers ago when he was in his prime. You’re an idiot.

Yea wait, I think T-Mac could def do more for the Knicks than Sessions. I don’t see Sessions being any better than Duhon, and he’s probably a worse passer and shooter. Even if T-Mac misses the first 30 or 40 games, he would really help us down the stretch when we are competing for a playoff spot. He is a true superstar when he is healthy, and could be the guy to win us all those games that we just barely can’t hang on to. If we could have finished games, we would have been a 40 win team, and T-Mac is the guy who can dominate when we need it. I don’t see Ramon Sessions magically giving us more of a boost for the playoffs than 2 time NBA scoring champion and 7 time all star Tracy McGrady.

He was two years ago when he was still solid. Now he’s rehabbing off of a major injury again; coming off of by far the worst yaer of his career. The fact is that he is rehabbing a major injury, yet again. He will play 30-40 games a year this year, which will do nothing for him. Hmm, let’s see, why wouldn’t portland sign him? Maybe because they are focused on big man help and they have jerryd bayless and steve blake. Why wouldn’t toronto sign him? Because they needed big man help and have calderon. Hmm, why wouldn’t houston sign him? Well, what do you know, they have aaron brooks and desperately need big man help with Yao out “indefinitely”. The fact is that if you consider him overrated or less valuable then tmac, then you haven’t seen tmac play in 5 years and you haven’t seen ramon sessions play at all. For the record, I guarantee that 90% of the people in this blog will agree with me; along with tommy and the rest of the TKB staff.

did you know that the last time T-mac played even close to 82 games was the 2004 season? this guy is an injury waiting to happen.i agree he is talented as hell,but do you want to shell out bucks for a guy who is rehabbing most of the time? you gotta remember T-MAC’s back-up,plays more games than T-MAC himself

You can’t be serious right now. T-Mac dominate? T-Mac hasn’t dominated in 3 years. In 36 games last year, he didn’t dominate in one single game. He maxed out at 30 points in one game and one game only. Now he’s rehabbing one of the biggest surgeries of his career and already was on the decline, but now he’s going to come in and dominate over 30-40 games? Are you serious? Ramon Sessions averaged 12.4ppg and close to 6apg on a flat out terrible team, in a half court system. He’s only 23, so he’s still developing. That 12.4 and 6 a game could easily become 15 and 8. By the way, he is a worse shooter than duhon yes, but he’s a far better passer/creator than duhon will ever be.

i agree, but to be honest, ramon sessions has a bright future running the point especially if he comes to NY. T-mac would be a quick fix for NY, he adds an all star name to our lineup as well as the fact that we can attain him from houston for cheap due to yaos injury and their desperate need at the 5 position(eddy curry). I like our squad for this upcoming season. It has been said that the knicks are working on wilson chandlers ball handling ability so that he can play the 2 guard position, which i like alot because chandler is the only knick with enough athleticism to take it to the rack strong(we all saw that banger he had in the Boston game late February). I do not think losing Kidd will scare other free agents from coming to a glamorous market like NY. Sure, they would have to deal with the NY media but thats a part of the game, Ewing handled it very well if you ask me. Amare has expressed a desire to play under coach D’antoni once again, hopefully Lebron gets that ring for Cleveland, so he can get that out his system and come to NY. Forbes released the top ten athletes based on earnings…Tiger woods number 1…Kobe also in the top five along with soccer phenom david beckham. Lebron ranked in at number 6…..i really believe the hype when they say lebron wants to be the biggest athlete of all-time…which to me equals him joining a bigger market. On top of all this,we as knick fans have to forget about this. There is still a full season of basketball to be played before the 2010 craziness. I feel donnie walsh should look into sessions, and if not resign lee and nate. We had them for four years , as well as developed them to the players they are today. I feel we only lack a starting PG. Duhon is a great BACKUP PG. If we can get sessions for cheap or even a sign and trade with nate to Chi-town for Hinrich, that would really solidfy this lineup. Affter all. chicago lost a lot with gordon leaving. They need nates bench scoring and we need a pass first PG,and that is Hinrich. He can also hit the three, and off the pick and roll he is dangerous with lee or hill. Hes a great passer and if not , he can hit the open shot or drive to the basket. More importantly, he plays defense. So summr of 2010, we will meet soon, until then LETS GO KNICKS,,,

i bet that RAMON SESSIONS plays more games than T_MAC

My point is Session will never get that type of deal ever because hes not that good, you can’t build up Sessions by downgrading McGrady because everyone knows how good he can be.

No, i’m not comparing the two. I’m just saying, for tmac to average 15 over 30-40 games, isn’t much more beneficialy to us than hughes averaging 12ppg over a full year.

That’s irrelevant though. Sessions will never be what Tmac WAS. I agree. But sessions will do a whole lot more for this team than tmac, playing 30-40 games after rehabbing a major injury would. Not to mention that Tmac is a few years out of his prime.

T-Mac draws attention on the court like, Kobe, Lebron, Wade, without the injuries he on the level with those guys Ramon Sessions right now is no where near the Talent a healthy Tracy McGrady is.

I like Maynor, but I don’t see why we would honestly do it. If donnie wanted him, he could have bought the 18th from the twolves and snagged him, plus AK’s contract is herendous. But, creative idea though.

I think I’d rather take Sessions at this point but T-MAc did have 2 triple doubles last season on that hobbled knee. He still has a lot to contribute and more importantly, he can also pass the ball and help facilitate if need be. As an expiring he would be a decent add. He would be an AWESOME addition if we can unload Curry or even Jeffries.

Alright, Duhon averaged over 7 assists last year, and in the first half of the season was playing very well. What is this deal with thinking Ramon Sessions is Magic Johnson? He’s not. He’s a mediocre point guard, just like Duhon. By the way, Duhon is 27 years old, so it’s not like he’s too old or anything. Let’s be real, Ramon Sessions isn’t ever or would ever win us anything He’s not a championship PG, and we could get virtually the same value out of Duhon. And sure T-Mac isn’t what he use to be and he is coming off a major surgery, but that doesn’t mean he’s DONE. This is T-Mac we are talking about here. He can still play the game of basketball pretty damn well, and better than most of the league. Obviously he isn’t the 30 ppg T-Mac that he used to be, but he has a better shot of taking us anywhere than Ramon Sessions. At best, Sessions is a LITTLE BIT better than Duhon. Big whoop.

Bart, you’re living in the past dude. T-Mac hasn’t drawn that type of attention in 3 years. If he did, Yao wouldn’t be the star of that team. You realize that when T-mac went down, it was no big deal even though they were relying on von wafer to step up after he had proved nothing to that point. When Yao went down, everybody was predicting that the rockets could be one of the worst teams in the league. Alan Hahn even said that eddy curry had more value to that team than tmac. What does that say? TMac was healthy for the first 30 games or so of the season last year and averaged 15 points a game; not dominating in a single one of them. Ramon Sessions will be much more productive for us than tmac ever could be. Tmac a few years ago, fine, but not anymore. He just isn’t the same player and never will be the same player.

Yeah and Tommy Dee is always right, well if the Knicks sign him they sign him but hes not a star hes a role player if he was a star any team in Free Agency would want him he hasn’t even recieved an offer yet and 36 yr old J- Kidd got one from the Knicks before him. Amare had the same surgery and came back I don’t see why McGrady can’t.

Ok, ramon averaged nearly 6 in a half court system while he is still a developing guard. He’s a definite upgrade to duhon. And i’m not saying tmac is done, but he’s well out of his prime. Do me a favor, send tommy dee and email and ask him b/c i’m beyond positive that he will agree with me, along with chris alvino and everyone else who works for tkb. When tmac holds less value to the rockets than eddy curry, you know that somethings wrong. Yes I know that yao is out and they have limited options, but if tmac was that good, he could lead that team single handedly without much big man support like lebron who had varejao and Z. That’s better than nothing, but that’s not much.

Check the Highlights check the game against the Knicks and the Rockets there are 5 guys playing McGrady when he has the ball in his hand guys want to double and are unsure what to do when he has it check youtube.

You mean the game where he put up 20 points when players like kobe, lebron, and wade put up 50+? How about the fact that sessions averaged 19 ppg against us this year, plus 9 assists per game (i’m discounting one game where he only played 7 minutes because of an injury). Not to mention that he will continue to get better; tmac won’t.

So you think Sessions should be signed to a long term deal?

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Mac has nothing to do with production- obviously sessions would be.

But they are still lusting after rubio. They can’t go into the season without upgrading at the 1…
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This is directly from tommy dee. He says that Tmac has nothing to do with production, while sessions does. Meaning that the knicks only want tmac for his contract. If tmac was still “kobe, lebron, or wade status” wouldn’t they want him for more than just contractual reasons. I know that tommy said that rubio is obviously an upgrade to sessions, but i’m asking him one more question than i’ll post it.

No, but giving him the MLE for two years wouldn’t be a bad idea as he has enough potential to run the point for us and he fits our system well.

I’m not talking about the numbers, he draws attention because hes Tracy McGrady and he can pass he would make the game easier for Gallo, Chandler, Nate. Sessions had some good games against the Knicks O.K. so did Jarret Jack and Mike Taylor we should sign them too because they would be even better in our system come on dude Tracy McGrady > Ramon Sessions.

Thank god we didn’t sign Kidd, that goes against the 2010 plan that i have waited patiently for 2 years for. What we need to do before 2010 isn’t add 35+ yo vets to long term deals, It is to 1)Trade Eddy Curry and Jeffires for expiring contracts, 2) Resign Lee, at least for the 1 year qualifying offer. 3) See improvement out of Chandler and Gallinardi. These are the prerequisite for 2010, also does anyone think that we dont really need a PG like Rubio or Kidd if we have Lebron on this roster, i mean wouldnt he be handling the ball most of the time anyway? I think a good spot up shooter like Toney Douglas is a perfect fit, kinda like Derek Fisher. Also who is the 2 3 and 4 if we loose Lee…is it…Douglas,Lebron, Chandler, Gallinardi, Hill or Douglas, Lebron, Gallinardi, Chandler, Hill or Douglas, Chandler, Lebron, Gallinardi ,Hill OR Douglas, Chandler, Gallinardi, Lebron, Hill…can hill even play the 5, can gallo or chandler really play the 4…how will they be on D

To me it makes no sense that the Rockets would want to trade TMacs Expiring contract for Curry…that is a very Isiah move…i think they are smarter than that…if Yao has to retire cuz of injury and TMac comes off the books then they should just rebuild the right way…the Donnie Walsh way

Again, I disagree. Like I said, two years ago I would have agreed w/ you, but Tmac is only playing for half of the year and he’s not the player he once was. In our system, sessions would put up better all around numbers than tmac would. He wouldn’t be too far off ppg wise and his apg would obviously be significantly higher than tmacs. He would do this for a whole year, while tmac would maybe do it for half of the year. I’m not saying tmac isn’t an upgrade at the 2, b/c he is. I’m just saying that sessiosn will benefit this team as a whole more than tmac would. And for the record, jarret jack is actually very underrated. Chris Alvino brought his name up a few days ago, but unfortunately, he’s a shoot first, pass second guard which we obviously don’t need.

Hill can play the 5, but like d-lee, he’s undersized at the position. Gallo can play the 4 is he bulks up with both weight and muscle.

Its Not even close T-mac is better than Sessions.

Truthefully the only PG I think is worth getting right now is Rubio

With hill we would have a 6-10 230 lbs center…i dont know how his post defense will be against a guy like howard or bynum and Gallinardi we have a 6-9 200 lbs guy WITH A BAD BACK…i definitely doubt that this guy can bang in the paint with some of the more powerful power fowards in the NBA…for all the talk about the lack of defense from david lee…things could be alot worse on the defensive end of the paint in a year or 2

Bart, he really isn’t anymore…he averaged 15.6ppg last year in nearly 34 minutes per game. Sessions averaged 12.4 in 27.5 minutes per game. TMac is coming off a major injury and is past his prime. Sessions is 100% healthy and still developing since he’s only 23 years old. Plus sessions put up better numbers in every single category except points, rebounds (expected considering he’s a point guard, although he only averaged one less a game), and ft%. I’m discounting 3 point percentage since sessions put up all of 30 of them the whole year.

Yes Chris i do agree it is a very isiah thomas type move,lol, bu think of it this way. First off, Yao is out indefinitely, so with that being understood, whos gonna run the 5 in Houston??? not Hayes,,,not Landry,,their undersized power fowards at that. Dallas has just acquired Gortat, who was somebody Houston was really big on but now lost to Dallas. Eddy curry, when in shape, has soft hands and can easily get you 16 to 18 points in the paint. He’s working on his fitness in Detroit this summer so hopefully he comes to camp in game shape so that his trade value increases. Who else can Houston get in the free agency now to play center. Nesterovec?? Channing Fry??? jamal magloire???? jason collins???? i dont think there that dumb. Curry would be a safe bet and at least he takes up space in the paint so that will always create problems for other teams…..

Gallinari’s 6’10, 225; if he bulked up 15 pounds and learned how to play big, I think he could. Hill already plays big, but couldn’t handle the likes of the dominant centers in the league.

I think the Rubio pipe dream is over…nice while it lasted tho…i was wondering the status of Shawn Livingston…is he done…so sad…
and like i said before…if we get Lebron wouldn’t he have the ball in his hands most of the time…wouldn’t he be the guys bringing the ball up, facilitating the offense and creating for the team…i think he had like 7 apg last year

Rubio is more of an upgrade than sessions, yes, but sessions is still an upgrade to duhon though. By the way, we can’t get him b/c he’ll re-sign with charlotte by raymond felton would have been a nice upgrade as well.

… and it’s a pretty bad souvenir

Only other options may be antonio mcdyess or varejao, but I definitely agree that they are desperate.

Hinrich would be a nice fit… if his contract was cut in half.

True…actually i would try and sign Frye to a 1 year deal…the other thing about getting curry is that if yao did come back healthy i doubt that he and curry could be on the floor at the same time…they are both post up bigs…. also if curry could put up 19.5ppg(2006) then he would be worth KEEPING to play alongside Lebron, but i dont think he can do that on a regular basis…

He will do very good only if he enables us to get rid of BigEddy. That’s all I’m asking from him, and that would be good enough

Sessions is very unproven so comparing young Ramon to old Tracy is anybody’s guess … well that’s what pro scouts are paid for.

I dont know if he can learn to play big…i mean from what i saw he was a face up type player who penetrates and scores with his shot…he is young so he could grow…but his style of play doesn’t seem to suit a big man game…more of a big 3 to me…a keith van horn or tim thomas

If he could shed some weight, I agree. Then again, I doubt he can.

Yeah, I agree. I would like for him to become a dirk nowitizki type that can do both, but I agree; to me he’s more of an oversized 3, than a 4.

he has no heart…he made his millions

I had a hard time believing this news this morning … the guy gave up leaving in the same city as his children for three years just to get another 6M$, while he probably earned 100M$+ in his career …

and the Mavs are going nowhere !

He draws attention and dishes look at 0:56 the Knicks need a star on the court next year if he can be had you have to go after him.

He’s really good offensively but has NO defense and can’t even rebound

Yea but WHEN T Mac plays he is a top player in this league.
The fact that he hasn’t played a full NBA season and hasn’t gotten past the first round in the playoffs and is still considered a star is a testament to how good he is.
Sessions? good player but he isn’t a star.

in a perfect world Chandler=Lebron Gallinardi=Nowitrzki and Hill=Bosh/Stoutmire but we all know that our guys arnt these stars, they hopefully will be solid NBA starters tho

lol, i agree, but remember….Curry had a lot of personal issues to deal with off the court this past season,,,and chris…valid point about 2006…everyone seems to forget eddy curry had a great year that year….and i remember watching espn…and my jaw dropped when they said he was about two positions away from being an Eastern Conference All-Star that year. He averaged just under 20 a game and he was catching alley-oops from crawford almost every game. He look great…we just need a big man coach to come in and teach him the tricks of the trade…example…like what Ewing did with Yao and Dwight…what jabbar is doing with Bynum…i heard rumors of waslh wanting Oakley to come in and teach the knickss bigs,,,i think that would be so solid…he def teach Lee Curry and Hill how to play that aggressive NY defense…Cleveland got shaq…Orlando got Howard..Boston just signed rasheed Wallace and they have garnett…we gotta stay big in the east now…. but if Tmac can come for Curry..we do it in the drop of a hat…

The ideal starting 2010 lineup

Rubio
Chandler
Gallo
James
Hill/Lee/Curry(?)

On a bad knee your right Sessions is 100% healthy and averaged 12.4ppg how are you comparing the two it shows that Sessions is not on his level.

Who else can we get with the potential of being a allstar with an expiring contract PLEASE tell me.

T-Mac has 50x the talent that Sessions will ever have and I’d rather get T-Mac with the risk, because the possible reward is MUCH higher than the possible reward with Sessions. Sessions isn’t going to be a star and we know that. By getting Sessions, we would be upgrading a LITTLE BIT from Duhon. If T-Mac can play like 1/4 of what he use to be, he would really help us.

Houston Rockets vs New York Knicks—1/26/09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AZTed1XynA

. “Plus sessions put up better numbers in every single category except points, rebounds and ft%”

thus proving my point…

1)rubio dream is over
2) James is more of a swingman (yes he can play the point or the 4)
3) not sure if Chandler has he handle to play the 2
4)dream(not reality) 2010 lineup is more like
PG-Paul
SG-Wade
SF-James
PF-Bosh
C-Stoutimire

5)reality 2010 lineup
PG-Nash-id rather get a younger guy but he is a 2 time mvp and with james we are a win now team
SG-Lebron-Duh
SF-Chandler
PF-Lee
C-Hill

6)2010 lineup if the stars align and god is a knicks fan
PG-Nash
SG-Kobe
SF-Lebron
PF-Lee/Gallo/Chandler
C-Hill/Lee

7)if god hates us in 2010
PG-Douglas
SG-Almond
SF-Chandler
PF-Gallo
C-Hill

…let us pray
PG-Dougl

eddy curry a safe bet?????

chris< its “GALLINARI”

bob…is “chris3035″

Lebron would never play the 4 in any system…obviously he’s strong enough and can rebound well enough, but that’s not his strengths…he won’t be relied upon to get big and rebound like a normal 4 would.

Cleveland without LeBron James would destroy the current Knicks. They play something called defense.

If Jason Kidd won’t sign with us, can’t expect the King or Dwyane Wade to sign either without Donnie Walsh improving the current team. The biggest key imo is clearing enough room to sign 2 Max FAs. No Star is coming here to play with David Lee and Wilson Chandler. Walsh must have enough room to sign the King and the Star teammate of his choice. If we only have room to sign 1 FA, I have a feeling we’ll be dissed big time. I just don’t see a Star FA like James, Wade, Chris Bosh or Amare Stoudamire coming to a 30 win team.

Disagree…i think that playing with Lee and Chandler is more of a draw than playing with Kidd…Young>Old…plus Lee is the most unselfish player on the knicks, i cant believe how many Lee and Chandler haters there are,

Not anymore…he is a shell of his former self, much like Allen Iverson or Chris Webber, he is not the same player he was in 2000-2006 when he was putting up 25 a game…i think the TMac train has left the station

W/e, that was just the 5…I think Lebron would be a better 4 than gallo tho

why are all the Knicks bloggers inserting Curry in the starting lineup? Chris, Eddy Curry is a joke. The only rational reason to do so is if your intentions are to create some hype in the media that Curry may be viable as a starter in the league.

The guy is an embarrassment to NBA centers. Even during his lone “good” season, he was easily the worst center in every category besides scoring, and an inefficient team killing mess on both ends of the floor. There’s zero chance he plays a significant role in D’Antoni’s rotation (who btw, unlike isiah, has some coaching cred and won’t play him for the sake of playing him).

how about playing him for the sake of hoping that he is in shape and motivated…if he performs well a team would be possible interested in his services, when his is good…offensively he is as good as ANY big in the league

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mpga7h

I thought of a trade so great donnie walsh wont think of it. The knicks want cap space. the rockets need a pg and a big center and dont want t mac. the bulls dont want hinrich cuz of derrick rose. heres a perfect 3 way team trade that works for every team and improves every team. SHOW THIS TO EVERY SO THIS CAN GET AROUND.

I have said in a few postings before that curry & huges for T-mac is a no brainer!! 1 year of a guy when healthy is a superstar who can give us 25 mins a night of star power @ SF is a can’t lose deal when you think about the added plus of dumping curry

You’re right. Spawn is an action figure I used to have. I meant spurn. I do not know why I thought of spawn. Cool action figure I guess.

Good looks bob.

yes,it means that his ex-wife and kids live in new york ,and he would like to be near them

in 3 years,that wont be true.t-mac will be outta the league due to injury or retirement,while sessions will be in his prime at 27 years old and an all-star

we will have a point guard by july 17,2009 when we trade for RICKY RUBIO.our NY KNICKS have had a “wink wink nod nod” deal with the T-WOLVES since draft night.since you cant trade your RFAs on draft night,(that would be tampering)we have to wait til all the smoke clears and we trade nate or david lee to T-wolves for rubio and some salary fit parts.this is why you havent heard anything on a contract being offered to lee or nate.this is the surprise from DONNIE WALSH that he e-mailed to the ASSOCIATED PRESS. IF I REVEAL MORE THAN THIS,IT IS LIKELY THEY WILL KILL ME KEEP THIS UNDER YOUR HAT