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ESPN.com is reporting that Carlos Boozer might be headed to Chicago in a deal that would send Tyrus Thomas to Utah and Kirk Hinrich to Portland. There is no word on whether or not Portland would give up pieces in this deal.
So Chicago would essentially be giving up Thomas and Hinrich to get Boozer. For Utah, there has to be a better package than Ty Thomas for Carlos Boozer. But Boozer can put the Bulls into the top of the Eastern Conference with the Magic, Cavs and Celtics. With a healthy Luol Deng, the Bulls can be serious next year. Losing Thomas and Hinrich does hurt though. Assuming Rose improves, I like this move for the Bulls.
Stay tuned…
Why are we not in the mix for Carlos Boozer. We have players equal in quality to Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas. When do we begin to bring in star quality players? We need a star quality player if we are going to attract a super star next season.
That’s just impatience talking. you really want to just bring in any good player that becomes available. The injury prone carlos boozer who doesn’t even fit our system would be HUGE commitment and pretty much set in stone our future; unless we didn’t resign him which would just negate the hole point of bringing him in. I think most of you are with me in saying he is another player we should avoid, not worth spending 10 mil on him right now for no reason. Why would you want to give up young developing players for carlos boozer? that just doesn’t make sense, that puts us right back where we were 2 years ago.
It may be impatience talking and Boozer may not be the best choice but Boozer is a good player on a good team. Isiah picked up good players on bad teams that did not make the knicks a better team. Hopefully our young group of players will develop and improvement will occur.
lol here we go.
The Bulls are going to be good next year with Deng healthy..
Rose
Salmons
Deng
Boozer
Noah
with James Johnson, Brad Miller and Pargo off the bench WOAH.
Perfect another trade thats not us if this goes down the east is getting even stronger.
I agree fully,it is getting awfully frustrating listening to all other teams deals. And what are we busy with grant hill?! ,a real nice complimentary player,at the tail end of his career. jason kidd used us as leverage, and check the nypost out for what he has to say about lebron.
the silence from the KNICKS is deafening
I have a 4-way trade that would help us (the money fits with the proper filler):
Utah gets
Rip Hamilton
David Lee
Jerred Jeffries
Starting 5: Williams, Rip, AK47, Lee, Okur
6th man Brewer, Jeffries
Detroit gets
Carlos Boozer
Filler
Starting 5: Stuckey, Gordon, Prince, Boozer, Maxiel
6th man: Charlie V
Portland gets
Nate Robinson
Kyle Korver
Filler
Starting 5: Blake(or Andre Miller), Roy, Korver, Aldridge, Pryzbilla
6th man: Nate
Knicks get
Rudy Fernandez
Paul Milsap
Knicks’ 2010 #1 pick (back from Utah)
Starting 5: ???????
Utah getting Lee and Rip should be enough to get them to let our 2010 pick go.
Detroit gets Boozer and slots Gordon at the 2 to replace Rip.
Portland gets Korver and Nate for Fernandez basically.
Knicks get Fernandez, Milsap and their pick back to potentially send to Minnesota in a Rubio package. In order for the Knicks to get that #1 pick Millsap might have to go to Portland instead of the Knicks in this deal, it’s worth it only if you can get Rubio or another young player otherwise you take Millsap.
As complicated as that was to read and comprehend, it actually makes some sense and would be pretty good for us.
I don’t think Utah had losing both Boozer and Milsap in mind this season. Otherwise that just might be crazy enough to work.
From Ric Bucher’s Twitter:
@JonathanRozen Told this a.m. by a Bulls source that the Boozer deal wasn’t happening. It’s been discussed. A Por/Jazz/Det deal was, too.
Let’s get in there to make it a 4-way!!
how are we getting millsap? is he taking the qual offer? is it via sign-and-trade? do the knicks even want millsap if we have to give him a longterm deal at, say, 7-9 mil a season? i doubt it..
Depends on what’s agreed upon. Millsap will get 7 at the most, I say 6 3/$18mil or 4/$24mil). Millsap at 6 with his youth is a very tradeable number. Or Millsap can go to Portland in this deal. The goal is to get the #1, lose Jeffries and get a young player or 2 (Fernandez, Millsap).
Millsap is no slouch by the way, check out his numbers when he started for Boozer. They’re better than Lee’s as a starter. The guy can play.
We are not contenders in the east no matter who we bring in this summer, you gotta stop being so impatient and antsy. These moves that are being made are not the moves for us at all. You really want to give up one of our only good young players for carlos boozer, and then be stuck again? c’mon, that would just be absolutely moronic. Just relax, our time will come, and it is not now. The bulls have a chance to become a serious team in the east, that is why they make this move. We are not in that state right now at all. Everybody new that this rebuilding process would take at least a couple years, and we all seemed willing to accept not being a strong team in the east while we did it, but now a bunch of trades go down and everybody wants in on them because they are bored…. c’mon….
By the way, the bulls will not be up there with the cavs celtics and magic. Derek rose is good but he cannot lead a team to the playoffs, and deng is just another rudy/gay wilson chandler type, not a huge impact player. Salmons isn’t even a shooting guard and they now lost their only true go to player in gordon… Even with boozer, they will still be the same this year.
I’m so down for letting our youth develop and trying to do the best we can with the players we have, and getting rid of the ones we know we are done with (z, crawford,).. maybe picking up a cheap veteran to help the transition if we can… These forums used to be filled with people who understand that, but now it seems like the only people who come out to post comments are people who want to ignore the long term situation and just want action without thought or planning.
if half of you had it your way, we would have a starting lineup of Stephen curry, Ben Gordon, NO wilson chandler, Boozer, and Darko, with about 10 million of cap space in 2010. That’d be our team for the next 5 years…
Instead we have cheap developing youth, one of whom is bound to become an allstar, and flexibility remains the focus while our younger players get better. That was the plan to begin with, and I’m sticking to it. No boozer, no gordon, no artest, no trading our young players for anyone like boozer, no committing to large salaries in the future just because we want to win a few extra games next year, no trading away draft picks and rookie contracts just for one new rookie who you really want… All the stuff you are complaining about, wishing we could take part in, is the exact garbage that turned our team into a disaster in the first place.
You are right in principle,but you know quite well this is clearly not the understanding of many. Since from the get go the minute walsh cleared cap space. It was understood as NOW WE CAN sign lebron or wade etc which is clearly not the rebuilding strategy you describe. We talking 2010!!as if we know for sure where gonna get like the Celtics did 2 years back.
It doesn’t HAVE to be lebron. Its about maintaining flexibility, and hoping that with D’Antoni as the coach we will eventually develop into a pretty good team, even without having signed a max free agent… And then, eventually, a great opportunity will come along, and we will be the team with the space to do it. Its not just lebron, its wade, its bosh, its chris paul, its dwight howard, its eventually durant, maybe randolph,… we dont even know… and by 2012 (the year of paul and howard) there will be a hole new group of top notch players, its not like this is the last year there will be a bunch of superstars… every couple years there will be a new group of players who can change a franchize, and we will eventually get not just any of them, but the RIGHT one…
Jeff, I agree with you on developing our young talent, and it seems the knicks management is doing their best to do so. however I have to respectfully disagree with your thoughts on the bulls.
I like chandler alot, but Deng (if healthy) is a much better player right now. the last full season he played he averaged almost 20ppg and 7rbpg, thats an impact player. Rose did wonders leading them as a rookie last year, he is only going to improve, salmons and miller are better then people realize (they arent rotting away in sacto anymore) and boozer is an all star. if boozer goes to the bulls, they would have made some serious moves from the 08 draft to now to take them from a 30 win team to a legit contender in the eastern conference.
I am fine as a fan with the knicks staying out of this one, but you can’t knock the bulls.
All true, and maybe i kind of knocked them and deng more then is deserved to help prove my point, which is: you are underestimating the effect of losing ben gordon. That team would have been a disaster last year without him. He was their only go-to guy at the ends of games. Now who will they go to? I see them as a bunch of talented players that just wont mix properly, the same thing the bulls have been for a while.
Maybe I’m wrong, though, but i think they lost their best player.
I’ll let MR.WALSH go on with his plan,but i dont agree with guys like you who thinks hes absolutly untouchable.everyone deserves some critisism.you guy act as if he is the god of basketball and you cant say a bad word about him.HEY,hes a public sports figure of the worst kind,..THE BUSINESS END! i’m not gonna sit there like you ,and pretend that every time DONNIE WALSH FARTS,that im hearing a symphony.how great can a G.M be if his second move as a knick was to sign CHRIS DUHON,and his third was to sign ANTHONY ROBERSON after watching him get hot during a practice? dont take this the wrong way ,i hope he wins us 6 rings but it isnt a sacralege to question any of his moves.im an old hippie from the 60’s,i listened to the KNICKS win their first championship on a transistor radio.QUESTION ALL AUTHORITY!
I like the thought of letting our young guys develop, and just cooling out for a season…, i’d be fine with that
But I think you guys are forgetting that we dont hold 1st round pick, and we must try our absolute best to make a legit playoff run, especially if any of you guys plan of landing a big fish in NY this season..With that being said, how badly would you cry if the Jazz won the lottery, or even made a top 3 pick, with a draft pick that really belongs to us..
We definitely need to make a playoff run, but not at the expense of the future. And yes, trading for a first rounder will be a priority, and we have the assets (expiring contracts, mobly, nate,) to do that.
But just remember, we aren’t banking on lebron. as i said above, there are plenty of great players out there and every year a few new ones (at least) emerge, half of which were not expected to be franchise players when first drafted. There will always be new amazing players that everyone wants, especially by 2011 and 2012 when paul and howard become free agents… and you have to realize that by being patient and maintining flexibility, eventually one of them WILL become available, even if you can’t name him yet, and we will be in the position to get him if we think he is the right one. Boozer, artest, odom, gordon… those are not the guys im talking about.
I started this conversation and you are absolutely right in your analysis. Rebuidling will take time and it will not happen in 2010. We really need to stay the course. Remember DW found Reggie Miller and he was an 11th pick.
I have a question : why would you guys want an expensive 30 years old injury-prone player who’s not particularly better than Zach Randolph?????
Come on, we did not dump Zach Randolph’s contract for Carlos Boozer, aquiring Boozer would be a terrible move. The only free agent the Knicks should be interested in is Ramon Sessions.
thankyou mucha… and even sessions is dangerous because most likely, unless we make a realllly generous offer, the bucks will match, and it is not worth being immobilized for those seven days if we don’t think it will happen. Of course, if we have the info to believe he can be ours at the right price, then we should make an offer.
Yeah – and I’m not even a Ramon Sessions fan, the Knicks target should be Rubio, Bayless or Rodriguez (in my Robinson and Jeffries for Rodriguez and Thomas scenario) in my opinion.
Does anyone agree with me on the realization that new superstars emerge every year and it is not lebron or bust? as long as we maintain flexibility and improve year by year, there eventually be some guy (or two guys) who come along and are available, and they will be deemed the right guys, the perfect guys, and then we will POUNCE. There will be 4 more legit franchise changing superstars in two years who you cannot even name right now. Lebron would be great, but donnie was being honest when he said its not for any one specific player.
Under the radar – soon to be superstars :
Anthony Randolph, Michael Beasley, Andrea Bargnani and maybe Rudy Gay who’ll be a RFA next year (the other guys will not be available anytime soon). And Brandon Rush is one of the most underrated talents in the league in my opinion, he has Alan Houston written all over him.
I agree that super stars come along every year, The problem is the opportunity to pounce comes along infrequently. How often does a franchise decide for financial or other reasons to let go of its star? That when you get a Kevin Garnett or a Ray Allen or even a Latrell Sprewell. Doesn’t happen that often.
Free agency is out of the team’s control. What if we become good, perennial playoff contenders, with good cap room, and then all of a sudden a free agency year approaches for a guy like durant (not him, but a guy like him) he might be enticed to let his contract run out and sign with us. We won’t get to that point though, if we sign players out of a sense of urgency.
Raptors get
DLee
Udrich
Knicks get
Bosh
Kings get
Nate
Knicks
Darko, Bosh, Chandler, Hughes, Rubio (in my Harrington pipe-dream)
Raptors
Bargnani, Lee, Hedo, Wright, Calderon
Kings
Hawes, Thompson, Garcia, Martin, Evans
If this does happen its safe to say Wade goes to the Bulls or stays in MIA imagine Rose, Wade, and Boozer.
Hi guys. This is my first post here. I’m from the Dominican Republic but I’ve been a Knicks fan from the late 80’s. I’ve been following this blog for over a year now and I really enjoy all the Knicks talk that goes around here. Finally I decided to join.
Anyways, I just wanted to say that you are missing the big picture for the Jazz here. This move tells me that they are going to do anything to sign Millsap again. Thomas is indeed not a worthy return, but I think it’s more the sallary dump that we should focus on. Hinrich, who makes 9.5 goes to Portland who has the cap space. They may send some cheap parts to the Jazz so they get more space to throw some heavy money towards Millsap.
The Bulls rent-a-Boozer for a year and I join the group that likes this move, if they get it done, for them. Who knows, maybe the Bulls sign him long term after the season ends, but you got to remember that Boozer is a free agent after the next season.
I’m also all for letting the young guns grow. The key for next year is Gallinari. If he shows whatever DW and Mike D’ saw on him to make him the 6th pick, (and those flashes that he gave us last year where a good start… now if only his back could hold on) we have a good chance to “compete”. Just think about it, we get las year team plus healthy Gallinari (remember how good the team looked when he was on the floor? Just go check his +/-) and some really needed HEIGHT download with Darko and Hill and I got no reason to believe that this team is more than capable of winning more than 32 games. And with this I’m counting with a return of Nate and Lee (maybe for the QO, since the market is moving slow).
good post good post.
Nobody ever talked about this: Maybe the warriors did draft curry with a slight, possible intention of maybe trading him. We see that deal with the suns, and clearly they were considering it.
They clearly want a power forward, and we all thought they would draft Hill. maybe there is some sort of trade that could be based around Curry for Hill. I’m sure you would all love that. i dont know if there is any validity to this suspicion, but im just brainstorming. maybe something like Curry and Azubuike for Chandler and Hill… Would we do that?
I was going to think about biedrish, but wow he’s making 9 mil every year for like another 5 years.
I mean, Donnie has to still be thinking PG PG PG.
Actually, scratch that i wouldn’t even do it. I just realized how great it’s going to be to have a great athletic defensive wing-man and a 2-way athletic power forward both on rookie contracts moving forward. Those are the perfect kinds of players for D’Antoni, like having two marions, one more of a sf and one more of a pf. All we need now is a diesel SG with a great 3 pointer and a genius PG and we’re set for years, not even including a free agent.
In fact, i have just come to the conclusion that we should sign and trade Lee. He’s good, but we need a different type of PF and he can bring us back something nice to add to our backcourt, which seems to be the biggest hole right now.
k im done talking to myself.
If we could find a smart pointguard who really knows how to utilize every piece and make everyone come together, even if it was a vet like kid who could only do it for a few more years at most, our team would improve so drastically, i think we could break 500 this year no problem. And then we would just need to find someone to transition into his place. We have great athletes, great defenders, a great ‘everything player’ in galo, but they just don’t mold nicely enough because theres no one smart enough running the point. As we saw with marion, really athletic two way players can be utilized SOO much more in a system like this with a pointguard who knows how to use them. Chandler and Hill could be made lethal by nash, as could Galo.
Maybe we’re working on a sign and trade with Nate for Sessions, or Lee for Sessions and change, or maybe we will get nash, or rubio…
god im going crazy.
i sware im done now
Jeff… You need to calm down LOL!!
Hahaha
jeff – curry has signed his rookie deal so he can’t be traded until next year.
at this point, i have no idea what the hell the knicks are thinking… and thats what makes DW such a good GM. but damn… please… SOME NEWS!!!
I’m praying for a Duhon/Harrington for Nash.
If we got nash we would make the playoffs so easily. Every player on our team would be twice as good. Im hoping that happens; what’s the latest news on nash?
I’m not sure about so easily since teams like the Raptors, Wizards and Pacers arguably got better, but our chances would increase exponentially.
HES STAYING IN PHOENIX
The Knicks have signed Douglas but have yet to sign Hill. Does this mean Hill is trade bait? 3 team deal for Rubio? Another PG?
Thats what I thought, theres no other explanation to not sign him yet if Donnie wasnt seriously looking into trading him, Rubio is the obvious one you’d assume, but would minny really trade for Hill when they have 2 great future bigs in Al Jefferson & Kevin Love
Yeah that’s why I thought a 3rd team would be in the mix. Maybe Hill would be used in a for a S&T for Sessions?
Man I really want Rubio, but I just have that bad feeling that Kahn really doesnt have any intention of trading him. I feel like he’ll be his arrogant stubborn self and only accept a trade that blows him out of the water.
Not getting a PG, at least a backup, was the worst thing Walsh did last season and if repeated this season it would make the Knicks tough to watch.
Well to be fair, Walsh thought he just might have his PG of the future with the way Duhon played early on and the way Nate played midway through the season. I’m not really sure who we could have gotten outside Steve Blake anyway.
I agree there wasn’t much out there and Marbury was still on the roster. I would have been cool with Mike James or Earl Watson. Duhon could have really hooked himself up with a solid year. Veterans should not hit the wall that soon, maybe his back was effed up.
this move is not that great for the bulls really… it will saddle them with an injury prone PF long term… and the idea that this move puts the bulls in the mix with Cleveland, Boston, Orlando is exaggerated.
Walsh is not under the same pressure as some of the GMs we are talkin about either… Ferry and Dumars especially are under tremendous pressure to improve. Walsh is exactly what the knicks franchise needed. A very knowledgable basketball mind who knows the business as well as the game.
How does anyone know Utah didnt contact Walsh about boozer just to inquire… not everything makes the news… not everything goes that far… Walsh is always busy tryin to make this team better for the future… It will cement his legacy if he can get the knicks back to winning basketball. I myself was skeptical of the Walsh hiring but Im very comfortable with he and D’Antoni in control here. It is not imcompetence that has made this offseason not very noteworthy, it’s patience.
Walsh will acquire the RIGHT players for this coach, this team and this city…. period.
I like the crickets right now… and notice how nobody is dogging the knicks right now… no you tube clips of anybody embarrassing themselves.
Summer League can’t start soon enuff!!!
In the past week i have probably posted 5,000 words trying to explain what you just explained in the last few sentences. Great points. We will keep getting better with youth, cheap veterans, and blue-chip talents that they find (maybe douglas?) The idea is that one day, either sooner or later (maybe lebron maybe not) there will be an opportunity for a player(s) who really is the RIGHT player(s), and we not only will be much better by then, but we will have the room to acquire them.
patience…
I agree with everything you said about the DW, Mike D’ and the Knicks. But let me remind you, the Bulls are not committed long term to Carlos Boozer.
Boozer only has one year left of his contract (the option he decided to pick), so he is… at least until further notice… a rental. And no, that moves doesn’t put them in the mix with Magics, Cavs and Celtics…. but without this move they are left with last year team minus their best scorer, that being Ben Gordon. So without this move and with the way the Pacers, Wizards and Raptors are getting better… don’t you think their spot in the top 8 is in danger? At least with Boozer they get a scoring vet inside to pair with Noah and Miller. The new star of this team is going to be Derrick Rose who can only get better. So it doesn’t take them to the elite, but it puts them in good position to fight for a spot in the 4-8 range.
What makes you so sure of DONNIE WALSH? why is he considered such a savior? besides drafting REGGIE MILLER,what has this guy ever done? where are his RINGS? everyone on here thinks as you do ,and I’m really not trying to be insulting to MR.WALSH,i would just like these questions i asked you,to be answered.like i said everyone here thinks walsh is great,but nobody will say WHY
Btw…
Yahoo! is reporting that nothing is going on between Bulls, Jazz and Blazers.
If Chicago can get Carlos Boozer that is quite a team and can really contend in the eastern conference.
PF – Carlos Boozer
SF – Loul Deng
C – Brad Miller
PG – Derrick Rose
SG – John Salmons
Its just too bad they don’t have Ben Gordon still though because they’re bench needs a little more depth since all they’d have is Joakim Noah.