Eastern Conference Scout: Sessions Not a Fit

Hey Jamal and T Will seem to be his friends.,…

they were on the same high school team in seattle. Everybody else can’t stand the show boating and “shake n bake” nonsense.

Um, Jason Kidd is a pretty poor outside shooter, 40% lifetime from the floor, and 34% from the three point line. And yet the Knicks were ready to give him the full mid-level for three years.

jason kidd is proven awesome (even if he is aging). sessions is far from proven.

but i thought sessions shot well from inside the arc?

Just wondering, what is everyones feel on Nate? Am I the only FAN that doesnt want him back in NY? Just wondering were everybody else stand on this Nate situation

Also, he went from D-Leagues to potential NBA star, is it going to be impossible for him to develop a shot?

What a horse sh!t quote

>>>>…If he (Nate) isn’t the most disliked player in the league, he’s certainly right up there. Every player I know can’t stand him.<<<<<

The “scout” obviously doesnt know Dwight Howard, Lebron James and Kobe Bryant. As they all LOVE little Nate and have said so publicly

Leadership ! Plus the great PG that he is….

I think the big Sessions stalemate is BUCKS WILL MATCH !!

Who cares what a EC scout says…… Kid can pass and is 44 % from the floor. He just needs to work on his shot from downtown.

J Will : .396% from the floor & .325% from downtown , 6.3 assists

Tinsley : 395% from the floor & .307% from downtown , 7 assists per game

Duhon : 396% from the floor / .365% from downtown , 5 assists

Sessions : .444% from the floor / .220% from downtown , 6 assists

Duhon has the best shooting numbers from downtown

Tinsley best assist

Sessions best shooting from the floor

All these guys are pretty even…. Sessions is only 23 ..ok.. but do we risk our plan for him when the other players are so close?

PLUS BUCKS WILL MATCH !!!!

I say Larry Brown had him pegged from day 1. Show boat. Lil man complex .

Not god for team chemistry and focus. Trade him for picks

You forgot Jamal Crawford haha.

I knew more people liked Lil Nate…What about B Roy? Also who wouldn’t be surprised if CP3 didn’t like him.

Bucks will match up to about 3 or 4 million.

I hear ya big…had to report it tho…anyway, the point is he’s not surprised there are no offers.

While his shot is a concern, I think the good outweighs the bad even in the PnR scheme. What Sessions lacks in a shot he makes up for in the penetration, where he can handily score, draw contact or dump/kick out. On the PnR he might be instrumental in getting opposing bigs in foul trouble or kicking out to a teammate for an open 3 ala Rondo.

I bet you the scout is Isaiah. Makes too much sense (going to college level this coming year, trying to screw over Knicks, had Hill on top 3 of draft board.)

no dis on the reporting.. that quote just drags down the cred of the “scout”..

No wonder the “scout” is leaving the pro game to head to the college ranks.

For real.. The reason NATE has no RFA offers is that the Knicks will match anything up to the mid level for him.

Nate has a market value of about 4-5 mil per.. He is NOT getting 7 mil a season no matter what.

There has been NO RFA Action this year.. other than Millsap everyone is hilding pat.

As for Sessions. He’s 23 years old. I think he has the upside to improve his shot.
Great job above by paul to detail the Shooting % of comparables

Donnie is just playing this hand slow. He doesnt want to commit more than he has to for 2010. At least he isnt bidding against himself like Isaiah did routinely..

they love him in the same way i love chris rock, he’s funny to laugh at. It doesn’t mean they love him for his talents on the court.

Honestly, that’s the problem with Nate. The whole Krypto-Nate persona and all the shake n’ bake stuff is funny, but it gets to a point where people begin to associate him with just being a dunk contest champion, and they overlook the fact that he’s 24 and he averaged 17, 4, and 4 last season. Numbers identical to Mo WIlliams. Yet, he’s an all-star point guard.

I’m just not sure that players in the league respect Nate’s talents or if they just marvel at his athleticism. Feel me?

Uh, I can safely say that is not the case….

Nate and Jeffries

for

Camby and Telfair

I agree that Nate’s showboating gets out of hand at times, but I feel that he is better suited in a winning team not a losing team. The structure of a winning team cancels out most of the negativity that a player has.

Basically on a winning team we wouldn’t need him to carry the load, he would just be an extra weapon for about 25 minutes of instat offense, not 35 minutes of carrying a crappy team.

I think Nate’s attitude can improve, he’s not a bad guy and he works hard on his game.

I’m not concern with Sessions 3pt shot, Paul & Williams are the best PG on the game and they can’t shoot 3′s either.

I think that scout would agree that those two could play in out system anyway.

I agree 100%. Nate shouldn’t be the best player on our team, but often times he was. He was often a big baby, but he also probably felt unappreciated (probably justifiably) by his teammates and staff other times.

Nate can be an all-star but he’s not a leader. EQ is right about him needing a winning team. Playing under a Ray Allen in Boston or Kobe Bryant in LA would probably do him wonders.

Steve Kyler at Hoopsworld put it perfectly when asked if Nate was a good fit on the lakers…

Jeff in Newport Beach, CA:
Would Nate Robinson fit in the Lakers’ system, given Phil’s preference for big guards?

Steve Kyler:
NO , HE IS NOT A TEAM GUY !!… the Lakers need guys that move the ball and Nate’s not that guy… mainly why the Knicks are not talking long term with him and are with Ramon Sessions.

NOT A TEAM GUY !! Thats why Mike D doesn’t want him . Only reason they are holding onto him it to get something for him.

Any player at the right price is a valuable commodity. Sessions at $4-5m per season as opposed to the full MLE is a lot more attractive and can be part of a package for a future upgrade. Should he continue his upward trend, Sessions could be a core piece of an offer for a tier one pg such as CP3 (I can’t see the Hornets forever ignoring their economics.)

Isiah’s downfall, way moreso than his scouting eye (he did spot several unknown talents– Ariza alone was commendable) was his tendency to overpay for talent and render his players unmovable. Building a championship team is so dependent on chemistry and fitting into a system. Even the best gm is going to make a mistake on a player or two, but provide that he doesn’t overpay for those mistakes, they do not become fatal. I like DW’s patience. He understands that it’s better to lose out on a player than be stuck with overpaid mid-level talent.

Regarding Nate, why can’t Donnie just offer the qualifying offer? I would like to see Nate stay, even beyond next season, but only at the right price. The Mo Williams comparison is alright, but it ignores two important elements: defensive liabilities and leadership.

Even though we need a ‘pass first pg’ it is true that he has to be able to to be a threat if left open. Nash was ‘pass first.’ but off the dribble, from anywhere on the floor, he was still had an absolutely lethal jumper.

HOWEVER… For all those of you saying ‘sessions can’t shoot,’ i have a feeling you are going on nothing but stats….

I watched him play a lot because i am a loser and had him on my fantasy team, during his nice run as a starter, and here is my opinion:

He has a good fundamental stroke and definitely knows how to nail the mid-range off the dribble. As he gets further out he gets less confident, and barely shoots any threes at all. He has only shot 41 threes his entire career, so there is no statistical significance to the percentage that comes out of that. If he was forced to develop the shot and start taking it more, he could definitely be a better shooter than the <.200 the stat currently implies. He doesn’t seem to have a ‘natural suckiness at shooting.’ like some other players (especially bigs) seem to have.

His best shot is from close/mid-range. Quick pull up tear-drops and floaters off the dribble before anybody knew what hit them. His shooting strengths/weaknesses/preferences resemble that of chris paul. And if you look at chris paul, he was never known as a good shooter, but he didn’t have a ‘BAD’ shot… and his playmaking driving skills (like rose, rondo) were so good that he was still able to be lethal as he steadily improved his Jumper.

Rose, Paul, Rondo, Kidd, even Williams… none of these guys were/are known for a great long range shot, but it is good enough to get by and steadily improving (apart from maybe rondo.)

So anyway, yea, i’m not too concerned about his shot. I am concerned paying him 6.0 million in 2010 if we don’t ditch at least JJ, but if we can dish him out, than i’m 100% on bored.

Williams can’t shoot 3′s????

ha ha ha ha ha…..when pigs fly. Why would the Clippers give up 2010 cap space for Jefferies? Camby has so much trade value and I doubt th Clippers would be so excited to use that cap space on lil Nate. Try again….even if you keep posting it, doesnt mean it makes sense.

The kid is 23 and hasnt even been a starter for a full year yet, I definitely think he has a lot of room to grow. Improving the jumper is one of the easier aspects of the game to improve on. From what I read he has a good work ethic also. Id be much more nervous if the scout was questioning his court vision, athleticism or basketball IQ. Those are really things you either have or you dont. A young core of Gallo, Chandler, Sessions, Hill and even Lee if brought back doesnt look bad at all. As for Nate, Id give him a 1 year 5-6mil deal. You dont want to lose him as an asset and walk for nothing, and I also believe if you only offer him the QO it makes an in season trade nearly impossible. This way he doesnt feel low balled and maybe you can pawn him off at the trade deadline for a couple picks

I think tht wud b a great trade. ny wud love to have camby bak…..n i personally wudnt mind telfair runnin the show…so wat if hes marburys cuz…from wat i hear frm ppl who kno hm…i heard marbury cnt even keep up with him in one on one games anymore to the point they almost get into it. hes a diff player n person from marbury so ppl need to stop comparin’ the two. its like saying u wudnt want taylor cuz blake griffin over shadows(not the same situation) jus cuz u related dnt mean ur the same type of player. jus a thought.

That’s why I’m not fully sold.

Donnie Walsh has to wait and trade Jared Jeffries (with Nate Robinson?) first in my opinion considering the fact that he’s the only GM who has a starting spot to offer. Maybe Sessions will be a stud, maybe he’ll be just a back-up point guard for the simple fact that he’s a poor jumpshooter. Maybe he has already reached his ceiling – some players have strange trajectories talent-wise.

If Donnie Walsh finds a way to ship Jeffries or Curry (or realistically plans to do it) then I’m all for it. If he signs him regardless, then I’ll “wait and see” I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

OK, maybe Williams wasn’t the best example, even though he only shot 31% last year, since career avg is 36%.

My concern with the 3pt shot isn’t as big of a deal, as whether Sessions can make a15 footer

Good comments from loyal Knick’s fans. Sessions appears to be a gamer and Nate is not a hated guy. Sessions has a strong game but outside shooting is an area that needs improvement. Nate needs to get his act together. I hope he knows that and will be much more mature and under control player in the future. It’s D’ Antoni’s job to get the most out of Nate. Let’s hope for improvement. Last year was the beginning of a process.

Nate and JJ to Utah for Korver and Harpring?

They get another PF which they need if Boozer is indeed gone, and the bench scoring threat they need at the 2. They also get rid of the lame duck of Harpring.

That’s really the only trade with Nate and JJ I can think of. We might even be able to weasel a pick out of it.

Love him or hate him, Nate provides a spark when he’s in the game and plays with heart…sometimes a wee bit out of control, but I think he’ll get better over time. Worth keeping.

I dont quite think Nate’s relationship with other players is as you describe.

All three have expressed a desire to have Nate on their teams. I dont think it is for comedic relief but for what he brings to the court.

There’s one problem : Jerry Sloan and Nate Robinson = oil and water. I can’t see it happening.

The Kings and the Wizards are the best potential trade partners in my opinion.

I guess players around the league dont like David Lee either… Since he didnt get an offer…

I agree with Biggie, this is some below the belt type sh!t… Now nobody likes Nate all of a sudden…

Keep in mind this is a former scout, so what he says holds little weight in my opinion… Former could mean, he has little friends in the league also…

Truth. I didn’t think of that.

The only problem with the Wiz is that they just shed all their PF deadweight, I don’t think they want to add more. The Kings are pretty well stacked at the 1& 2 and 4 and I have no idea what pieces they have outside Kenny Thomas that they’ll give up.

I’m so surprised Sessions is still not a Knick. Nate is awesome haters just hate.

I gotta agree with BIG, that quote about Nate runs counter to anything I’ve ever heard or seen about him…as a Nate fan I’m biased, but that scout sounds like he has no clue what the F he’s talking about

jason kidd is out of the equation.plus you cant build a teams future with a 40 year old point guard.enough with jkidd already

Im not even in a rush about this Sessions is stuck…if he wants to start The Knicks is his best and only option.

i dont want him back.i played hoops with little big mouths when in hig school.christ there were times when a bunch of us told him we were going fishin ,then hitch hike to an out of town hoops court ,just to be able to play without listening to motormouth crap all day long

but it aint up to us fans ,it should be voted on by the team in secret..you wouldnt believe how better it is to play hoops with guys you at least have respect for thier game,but when 50% of the team hates him it brings the team way down,,,,,,,,,,if they dont like him………dump em

get him to sign KBT!

WE CAN WATCH THEM TRY TO MAKE IT TO PLAYOFFS IN MY BARIN THE BRONX WE WILL SMOKE SOME RED HAIR AND EAT LIKE ROYALTY IF THEY WIN(BUT WE NEED SESSIONS NOW!

WHEN YOU ARE BEING PAID big bucks to behave like a professional and this little motormouth who never stops talking keeps doing this outside the team clown act,the ones who are trying to act like pros are becomming embarrest by his anticsand they say things like “get yer head into the team” “act like you been there before” and also this jerk is always ready to start fights at the drop of a hat its called little mans disease

Sessions hasn’t got the best “shooting” because of his 44%

His game is based on penetration and finishing at the rim. He’s very good at that and it makes up for his poor overall shooting.

Look at his 3pt% and FT% and you’ll see he has a lot of work to improve his jumpshoot. And that was on a team with offense threats (redd, RJ, Charlie V) allowing to spread the floor.

Sometimes I wish stats were more detailed (average shooting distance, uncontested rebounds, charges taken, …)

Kid put up some monster games for a guy who “can’t shoot”

And he’s 23. Has the Bucks all time record for assists in a game with 24 dimes. Also scored what, 44 as a season high, along with 15 assists -and at least 5 boards that same game. Not to mention, with consistent effort, he can be an EXCELLENT on the ball defender.

No doubt in my mind…..Get this done

He’s 23. Has the Bucks all time record for assists in a game with 24 dimes. Also scored what, 44 as a season high, along with 15 assists -and at least 5 boards that same game. Not to mention, with consistent effort, he can be an EXCELLENT on the ball defender.

No doubt in my mind…..Get this done.

And again, at 23, shows the ability and enormous upside this player has.

what players say in public to reporters isnt always the truth,in fact not many players are gonna come out and say “I HATE_____ HES A JACKASS” I mean it really doesnt serve a purpose to a player to say that.even after shaq.did that rappin thing anti kobe ,he still said afterward that he loves kobe ,it was only a joke blah blah blah

alls ive ever heard about nate is that his teamates even hate him and this was 2 years ago when nate and zach had that fight on the bench during a timeout.dantoni hates him,he got tired of nate yelling back at him during games.ive heard this shit alot since he got here.you must have your ears closed NYKat

Take it to the bank that there are players (and folks in management) in Portland who like Nate and his game.

Hill, a top three talent. With all due respect, that scout doesn’t have a clue and for him to spread a rumor like that is plain disingenuous. (That is not to say that many players don’t like Nate, I don’t know what they all think, but I know his universal comment is off base).

You cant judge a player on season highs, it means nothing. I haven’t checked it out for Sessions’, but a season-high can be had when the opponent team has just had a tough road schedule while yours just had two days rest ; or that the usual starter is injured and you play against a bench player … I mean Duhon had a 22 assist game and a 34 points game last season !

You really need to look at season averages and if the player was a starter or not (if you’re on the bench you log your minutes against bench players … not the same story)

Sessions had an average of 12 ppg so if he had a 44 points game, that means he simply disappeared in other games !

Sessions is not a good shooter, period. That doesn’t mean he cant improve it.

Again I am much more impressed by Felton’s resume

I don’t think the scout is as far off as everyone is saying he is… I don’t think players necessarily ‘hate’ Nate, but i can definitely see how any serious basketball player would hate playing with him.

Let’s face it, he completely freezes out his teammates and the offense as a whole. When his stats are good its because when he gets the ball during the (beautiful) flow of our offense, he suddenly stops short, and starts to run ISO time after time, causing everyone else to just stop running and stand in place on the perimeter. Sure, he’s great at driving, and a lot of times he will dish out and someone will hit a 3, but in the end, it is true that he consistently and relentlessly ruins the flow of our offense.

“Flow” is like the most important thing in this offense. One of the keys to it is that MD doesn’t over coach, he allows the players to do what they want, but they have to KNOW how to keep the ball moving and make the right pass and mesh, and Nate just has no idea how to do that. D’Antoni must be so frustrated that Nate consistently halts the offense and turns it into leBron verse the magic in the 4th quarter deal. Not just MD, but Galo, who he clearly will not pass to, chandler, Lee, and pretty much anyone who really wants to make this work.

Nate is an incredible talent. In fact, he is the best talent on our team. He can score 30 points for 10 straight games and it won’t surprise me. But either way, he just pisses me off so he must piss off the players and the coach even more.

Maybe he could be great on an established contender with a strict coach. But in this situation, i think he just gets in the way of the team’s development.

To get Nate under control, I think you need a charismatic leader in the locker room, someone Nate would be really look up to on and off the floor. It cant be just the coach.

We dont have anybody like that in the roster. Gallo may become one in the future, but Nate will always see the rookie he knew in him.

I dont hate Nate but I think he will not change if he stays in NY. The best for him to grow is to join a team led by a Kobe or a Garnett. Sadly …

You just explained the Nate Robinson situation The best way I have heard..Good Job.

I agree with your observations but I do not understand why it is and how to fix it. When Duhon is on the floor there is good flow but the team falls behind due to poor shot selection or poor defense. Then Nate comes in and brings us back into the game. Then at the end of the game the team falls apart and can’t close and can’t get stops. Is it Nate’s fault? Is it everyone’s fault? Very frustrating.

Everybody has fights on a team, so what? but the scout said Nate is the most disliked player in the league…like thats worse than Marbury status! Nate?…kinda doubt he’s anywhere near that, the quotes I’ve heard from other players have always been they “love the little guy and his heart etc.”…My ears aint closed, its just a load of crap.

Guys, the scout said he was the most hated player in the league!!!

Please!

Zero credibility for that guy…

Like always i agree with jeff.

I know a lot of people love him, but Harrington is another dude that destroys the flow. half the time he gets the ball he puts his head down and runs straight to the baseket. sometimes he dribbles some times he doesnt. the other half of the time he chucks up a three. the problem with my compaint is that he scores a lot of points. One thing he doesnt do is pass and NEVER passes to gallo. I think him and his expiring are perfect to trade for maybe a pick or a young point guard.

Any takers?

the reason Nate is taking all these shots is he is the BEST option on the team to create and make a shot.

THIS SHOULD NOT BE THE CASE (caps for emphasis)

Nate should be the fourth best option on a good team. That he is the first option is not his fault. He should NOT be playing 30 plus minutes a game.

When Donnie surrounds Nate with a pass first point guard and 2 other options who can legitamately create their own shot Nate will flourish in a supporting role.

Nate having the ball in his hands running the O ws the problem. Not that Nate took most shots on a team where no one wanted to shoot.

Obviously!!! However, I really thought it was common knowledge he was in Skile’s doghouse, who favored Luke Ridnour. Go look at Ramon’s averages for the stretches he did start…..

Thought this should go without saying though here, if you know the player well enough, that is-

no…Al doesn’t screw up the flow as much as Nate…

wow.. where/when in the heck did you grow up ?

THANK YOU.

That has always been my opinion as well.

Al Harrington and Nate Robinson should not be blamed because they took a lot of shots – they were the only players who were able to create theirs. They were forced to be our go-to-guys.

I would offer for Sessions:

5 yrs
4,000,000
4,000,000
4,320,000
4,670,000
5,040,000

that is, the max raise possible every year, except no raise next year
and hope the Bucks don’t match.

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