Post: Walsh admits he will see about Rubio

So if we trade for Rubio’s rights he cant play for us until 2010….NO. Id rather get Flynn or just keep our assets until later.

2010 and beyond..

HA cant get right *2010 or beyond* meaning 2011, 2012…

So wait.. Walsh thinks he’s gonna call up Kahn and get Rubio from him at this point?

THEN he is gonna get him out of his Spanish deal so he can come to the NBA THIS season?

Donnie must have had one too many J&Bs.

If Walsh traded for Rubio now maybe a buyout deal could be negotiated based on endorsements and such to get him to the NBA this season?

We could get him in a trade and get to see him this season.

But Barcelona would have to sell us his contract I think.

huh today isn’t a good typing day for me I meant to put a ?…

if rubio was ever going to get dealt, it would be from the time he signed with barca till the time he stays with them.it was never going to happen if he could still play with the t pups.now, that doesn’t mean we will get him, but its a smart move if lebron doesn’t come here in 2010.personally, I’m over this guy, and I’ve moved onto john wall.lol.

Walsh never says in the article that he thinks that he could trade for Rubio to play THIS season. You are making that up

Hate to burst your bubble but how can we possibly get John Wall without a first round pick next year…and even if we were to magically acquire a lottery pick we would still most likely need to win the lottery to get wall.

I been past lebron
I rather have 2 good players than 1 which is lebron the money they are going to offer him they can use to get 2 good players..enough on that.

Gotta give walsh props for sticking to the 2010 plan

Ask HERI what’s going on with RUBIO
If rubio becomes a knick that’s out p.g of the future.

Now it’s time for DA ANSWER
U GOT NOTHIN TO LOSE DONNIE BRING THIS GUY IN
WE WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS WITH HIM…

Come on guys i understand your frustrated but no reason to overlook facts!!! Rubio to Barcelona was the biggest transfer ($$$$) of a player in Euro league history….FC is not about to just give him up. They have lots of money and now reputation invested in Rubio… if DW inquires about Rubio and lets just say Kahn trades us Rubio we won’t see him til 2011…AND PLEASE NO FLYNN TALK ITS NOT GONNA HAPPEN, QUITE FRANKLY I DON’T THINK RUBIO IS GONNA HAPPEN

Why is it that no one mentions that Curry’s and Jeffries contracts would be expiring, hence more valuable in a trade and worst case scenario couldn’t they buy their contracts out in order to make additional room under the cap?

Wow… they edited my comment. Deep.

Hey Tommy, explain why you edited my comment?

We’re allowed to insult the players al day, call them garbage, idiots etc. and the second I say something disparaging about the GM, Walshie my comment is deleted?

Im asking a question

Why would Walsh — or anyone in the NBA — want to trade anything of value for Rubio’s rights when he isnt gonna be around for 2 years?

makes no sense.

I’ve been a Walsh supporter and understood his patience this entire time, but this is ridiculous. Dipping $6m into 2010 for a 37 y/o Kidd is Ok, but $4m for a 23 y/o Sessions isn’t? Pfffffft. Curry and Jeffries will be expiring contracts next offseason that can be used in S&T’s.

Let us know what transpires. you’ll probably get some private email from TD.

I sense Uncle Donnie getting a pass from the site writers. But I dont think Tommy would edit or delete comments

The press has reported that once Donnie got the word on the Cap shrinking he regretted the Kidd offer sheet and was happy he ultimately went back to Dallas.

Walsh says I couldnt do it for the future, which is nonsense to me. First of all sessions value would be risen tremendously in mikes system, so if you couldnt find a taker for curry or jeffries, then you could easily move sessions at the deadline for at minimum an expiring contract and mayb even a pick.

OK, That makes more sense assuming that you were asking a rhetorical question with the answer being no.

If we learned anything this summer, these “rubio talks” will go on for the next two years with a possibility that rubio may be a knick by 2011, which i think we should be doing.

We should be in the mix for this kid over the next two years, why not? I dont think Walsh was talking about trading away anything of value now for his rights two years from now or believes he can get him in the NBA any sooner than 2011

I found this very intersting. Mike James twitter says I want to be on Broadway. Alan Hahn tweets, I wonder if the wizards would take jeffries? Interesting

At this point –assuming that Rubio is stuck in Spain for two years — I cant see anyone offering more than a future conditional draft pick for Rubio (maybe 2012?)

But for Donnie to say “Rubio might be in play” boggles the mind

Kahn would look like an absolute fool (even more so than now) if he traded RR right now.

I suspect the next GM in Minny will deal with the mess Kahn leaves behind.

No e-mail. Just censorship. Ah well, it was only said in jest. I’d tell you what I said but they’d probably censor it again. Let’s just say there was a drug reference.

It’s just kind of weird that they would delete a full paragraph of my comment. People have cursed in these threads (which I never do.), joked about Walshie being dead and forget about what has been said about players. Marbury or Isaiah for example get no mercy. Yet, they take such an exception to my comment, they completely delete it. Not feeling this at all.

Deep.

Actually its the perfect time to trade Rubio to the Knicks…the Wolves could attain a player (maybe Lee or Chandler) and he could finally dump this Rubio mess on us, which gives us the burden and Kahn gets a quality player. Keeping Rubio for 2 or 3 more years with the risk of not getting anybody back would be stupid.

it was a joke.you don’t need to tell me about the pick.everybody who’s a knick fan knows about it.smh.

Not censorship. Just want to make sure this place doesn’t turn into a cesspool.

No cursing, no unnecessary drug reference etc. just make point your point and move on.

thanks.

TD

See what, that is such a bullsh*t statement, your gonna trade for him now for the big 2010 pallooza rather than this year where he could get use to the system and have a year of NBA play under his belt? BULLSH*T, it would be better if he just says he tried and failed miserably or actually tell the truth which is he never called Kahn about Rubio at all. Say whatever you want Mr. Walsh I stopped listening when you wouldn’t trade for the # 5 pick in the draft. Oh and BTW is the DW’s 1st grade school picture?

Rubio’s buy out is 1million euros in 2010 and 1million euros in 2011… So there is a good chance he could be in the NBA next year… Especially if the Knicks have his rights… That being said the only two players worth trading for him now are Lee and Nate… Because they most likely wont be here in 2010 anyway… So a S&T would need to be facilitated for Rubio’s Rights… No Chandler talk at all in my opinion… Why lose a guy who is in our future plans for a guy who isnt in theirs? We didnt expect to have Lee’s services this year anyway but losing Chandler with no compensation for at least a year is a “no go” to me…

This might be the S&T we wanted…

That has been said numerous times, I guess either people arent reading that or dont want to hear it… It should be obvious that by attempting to go after Sessions, Walsh wanted to make a move but the economy handcuffed him… He is more privy about the financial ramifications of such a move because this is his job… So if he is worried about adding players because of the cap… I will respect that… If the cap goes up next year just means we end up having more Free Agent money… Whats so bad about that?

HEY MOE!i’m really bummed out, i still think that WALSH coulda signed sessions this year,signed a max FA next year,and signed another ,when curyy and jeffries contract is up in 2011. i really wanna punch donnie walsh

Knick fan chill. As I have read alot of us think that Donnie blew it not acquiring Sessions. I too at one point was enamored by the prospect of acquiring Sessions, then I looked at things objectivly. For one, Sessions knew just like we know about DW’s 2010 plan. If he was truly confident in his skill set then he would have accepted even a low ball one year deal in hopes of being in prime position to cash in when DW makes it rain in 2010. I assume now that he is happy playing in the shadow of RR and second fiddle to JF in bleak Minnesota. Also introspectivly what kind of Knick fan am I or better yet what state is the Knicks truly in when we as Knick fans get excited about R. Sessions. As the rapper Jay-Z would so eloquently put it, “He;s alright but he’s not real”. How many more wins does R.Sessions give us next season? He is not Chris Paul New York. We’ll be alright. This season will be without the antics of Starbury, bum ass Q-Rich, the cripple, Jerome James, scrubby Wilcox and any other bum I forgot to mention that we got rid of. Hopefully we go into the season with a healthy squad without distraction poised to gel together and give their best effort to make the playoffs. In response to all those who admonish AI. I would love to have hime for a one year contract and I alos think that he would instantly fit in the system and put us right in the playoffs.

The days of rubio for lee, nate or especially chandler are over for the twolves. Rubio’s trade value went down the toilet the second he signed the contract with Barcelona. The Knicks wont trade anyone with any value over the next to year for a guy who will not play in the NBA for the next two years.

Rubio’s value can only go down from here. If he is great in Spain he will be only performing up to his expectations. If he plays poorly or worst case gets injured his value goes down significantly.

The only way will we get him is as a extra piece of a much larger trade. I wouldn’t trade anyone that can help us this year for a guy that can’t help us for at least two years and maybe never.

Losing Sessions to Kahn makes me feel a little better about it, Kahn is obviously an idiot. Maybe Sessions isn’t worth $4 million a year after all. We’ll see…

so would trading a productive young player for a young kid who you wont even see for 2 years

That’s why Kahn is stuck with an immovable asset for the next two years.

Players stats under D’antoni’s system are discounted. Other GMs know the stats get padded under this system. Saying that his value will automatically go up because of the system is wrong. Sessions would have to outperform the numbers people believe he will put up in D’antoni’s system for his value to rise…not a guarantee by any means.

a one year deal was not an option.

RFA contracts need to be three years but the third year can be at the team option.

Sessions took the only real money out there for him. Donnie wasnt offering anything to him.

Big mistake. Ramon would have been another young piece to the mix.

Sessions starting with Duhon as a major minutes reserve would have meant MD could run the Seven Seconds or Less offense the way he designed it. Not how he bastardized it last year to make up for his teams deficiencies.

Now with Duhon as the only real PG on the roster we can expect a slowed down PnR game with limited running and gunning so as to save Duhon’s body and maximize Curry.

Fun Fun Fun.

Wake me up when Walsh decides to come to work over the summer. His quotes to Berman show a man losing his grasp on a young man’s game.

I AM SOOO SICK of people saying Toney Douglas isn’t a real PG..
On MULTIPLE Occasions I have defended the notion that he is one but now I feel as if I should just go scream at a wall.
I think you people are ignoring the fact that he is a PG so you can have a reason to be Depressed about Sessions.

Quote from Bart:

“Oh and BTW is the DW’s 1st grade school picture?”

lol

the thought of signing sessions isnt just for one season,it solves a point guard problem that seems to have followed the knicks for decades.the kid is only 23 years old and can grow and mature with the other young players on the knicks.now as usual we just use fill-ins every year.as far as sessions excepting less money.if he is “truly confident in his skill set” he would ask for MORE money,not less.not to mention he would want money to fall back on ,just in case of a serious injury

he is a combo guard,not a pure point

and if it werent for donnie walsh,toney douglas wouldnt have been drafted.plus you cant count on this guy to run your team,you have no idea if hes gonna be any good or not

agreed.. he may sit on the bench til mid season like most Rookie late round picks.

Why don’t the players in the league or Knicks fans’ favorite whipping boys, Isaiah and Marbury, get the same cesspool prevention treatment?

I think you’re overreacting.

Fans insult everyone on this site, players, GMs, each other etc., sometimes I think people go to far, but Donnie Walsh is hardly ever insulted. My one line comment was said in jest and wasn’t nearly as malicious as some of the comments made about Marbury, Eddy Curry and Jerome James to name a few.

It’s a site for the fans! Where we can let out our frustrations, our elation, our opinions and our ideas (fantasies in some cases) or maybe this site is for something else. Correct me if I’m wrong.

I havent seen that he has a 2010 buyout. All the reports are that he has to commit to TWO years in Spain.

With FC Barcelona fronting the million for this DKV buyout and his salary why would they give him such a small out after just one year?

Hey Big, did you see Tommy Dee’s lame response to my gripe? It’s as if he didn’t even read what I wrote in response to the deletion. Whatever, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

sidebar: are you related to BiggieLittles? (no shots)

I cant agree more with bob with this one now. First off, Sessions value would only rise because of maturity and bc of mikes system so it would be extremley easy to trade him at the deadline if you felt his four million was going to ruin “the plan”. also you might be able to entice other teams to take jj if they really needed sessions or you can get a pick for him at deadline. i love toney douglas but he is going to need time to develop and you need DEPTH… remember last year how lack of depth killed us. duhon isnt in good shape and cant log that many minutes, look at what happened last year… hes a backup theres nothing wrong with that but he is a backup pg. i would love to know who walsh is going to acquire to be our pg of the future…… flynn for chandler couldnt be more fair and couldnt be more beneficial to both teams. i understand that it is hard for khan to move flynn because of what happened with rubio but honestly chandler is a perfect fit for the wolves. wake up donnie we need a young exciting pg.

I trust Mike D’s and Donies ability to rate a player much more then the people on this blog (or me or even tommy D). They had him for the taking at a good price. If they felt he would be a solid piece to the puzzle, they would have signed him. I would bet my house that before Sessions signed on the dotted line, a message was sent to DW giving him a shot at the same price. No way he would chose the spot he is in over a chance in NYC all else being equal.

Ever since I could remember the notion of you cant rebuild in NYC has been harped by the press. It has slowly distorted my beloved Mets, and it was ITs main line of thinking.

The idea that NYers were so impatient that to tell them they would have to wait a year or 2 to get back on their feet would cause such an outrage, that it was impossible. I never bought it and felt it was a bad stereotype.

Reading some of the posters on this blog, I can see why they thought that. I am glad that Donnie is ignoring the disillusion that he hears and for one of the first times I can remember, a NYC based sports team is staying true to a 3-5 year plan.

sessions is a 2nd round draft pick that has strong potential. He has never been a highly rated prospect and has not done much in the league. He does have skills, and will prob be a NBA player for years… but all he has on his resume is 1 good year and a couple real good games during a contract season. I would have been happy having him at the right price, but apparently that was not an option… and I cant say I am really that torn up. GhostFace is gonna get minutes, and I am excited to see what he can do.

yeah.. I saw it.. strange.. Im not a Marbury supporter but I’ve seen plenty of Crackbury comments..

I think Donnie took this job for the retirement benies. Doesnt SEEM like he is buring the midnight oil getting deals done to improve us for 09/10 …whatever.. exactly.

no relations.. imitation is the most sincere form of flattery i guess.

im the OG.

Enough of this…..

Rubio is out of the picture for the nxt 2 yrs. Minny getting Sessions is a good move and so what if they offered Sessions the deal we couldn’t

I think DW will sort Lee & Nate and then add from there based on who is available.

Maybe they will rethink the plan once their done

AI is still out there as is Tinsley amongst others so lets see

You are right, my bad… Damn there really is little reason to trade for him now… If you know he might not be a Knick til 2011… But if that is the best we can get for Lee, that might be the best move… Lee wont be a Knick in 2010 and Rubio may never be in Minny… Might be the best case scenario for both teams…

that picture makes me laugh

thanks for your clarification.
for a while i thought he is your brother.

This is a GREAT time to inquire about Rubio. Ask yourself this…

1) Will their be a New York Knicks in 2011 and beyond?

2) Would a young PG with great skills on a rookie contract (what a rookie contract actually is might change in the new CBA, but whatever) be a good asset to have in the future?

3) If Rubio’s rights can be had (big if, but that’s why you inquire) for some piece that’s not a part (or maybe just not a big part) of the future plan, isn’t that a good thing?

Even if somehow the Knicks acquire a great PG before Rubio can get to the states, his rookie contract and his skill level make him a valuable addition to any teams’ possible future. You have to check on it.

Sure it does nothing to help the Knicks now, but heck, I don’t think we are winning any NBA titles in 2009, or without an amazing job by DW ridding every bad contract off the books, in 2010. It’s the future where the Knicks can compete.

I’d like as many future talented Knicks as possible to be part of the team. Rubio might be one of those if the price of a trade is right, and he wouldn’t eat much cap space that could go to other options, so he’s a good idea to look into, even if he plays oversees for 2 years.

Donnie knows what he’s doing.
I was a big supporter for sessions but when your this close to your plans which is 2010 u don’t blow it cuz u think this guy can be good u gotta know he can be great that’s why sessions wasn’t signed.
Just stick to the 2010 plan.

I think I know the answer
So IVERSON IS ON HIS WAY
THE GARDEN WILL BE ROCKING THIS YEAR ALL CUZ OF IVERSON SOMETHING SESSIONS COULDN’T HAVE DONE LIKE DA ANSWER WILL.

THERE WILL BE A #3 PLAYING THIS YEAR AN HE WILL BE BETTER THAN THE OLD #3 THAT USE TO PLAY HERE…

I took this name from nba streets vol3 not to copy biggiesmalls.never was a fan of that badboy artist…

Couldn’t agree with you more… great post.

I am extremely excited that douglas is going to be getting minutes. It’s simple, why get sessions when we have 2 good pgs already? It’s not like he is some ridiculous prospect who will turn this franchise around, hes just another decent PG, which we already have. Why spend 4 mil on him?

All very true… We aren’t winning this year. People who come on here and say RUBIO WON”T HELP US WIN RIGHT NOW just don’t understand the big picture at all.

I hope we aqcuire his rights.

Glad to hear it, Tommy!!!!

Hahn’s blog was a cesspool–I’m gone. I’m glad you are censoring.

DTR

But don’t you realize that nba streets copied biggie smalls when they made the name biggie littles

So you are copying the person copying the bad boy artist of whom you are not a fan lol

This must be the fantasy blog. Rubio said he is not ready for the NBA, he is only 19 and does not want to take the risk, and he is filthy rich now and will be comfortable playing in his native country against soft competition. If he wanted out of Spain why would he sign for 6 years or whatever he signed for? He ain’t coming to the Knix or NBA next year. Walsh would be an idiot to trade Lee & Nate for rights to the kid. If he did trade for his rights and Rubio stayed put, Walsh would be tarred and feathered by Dolan and the media–he is too conservative to do that. Walsh is a shrewd attorney & businessman, and surely Dolan said no more wild signings like I.T. did. Next fantasy….

DTR

Good news… Lebron is still uncertain according to espn. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4448585

Actually, projections for the 2010 salary cap came out with the salary cap figures for 2009. — the day before official contracts to Kidd and other f.a.s were allowed to be presented (at least a week before Hills). The only thing changed since was league guidance that the cap will be closer to the low end (50M) than earlier speculation of 52M. Not the pre-downturn figures of 62M.

I’ve seen reports that Donnie regretted those offers but no direct quotes or interviews. Could someone post a link with Donnie’s quote or interview, if there is one? Until then, I will toss those reports in the same place that reporters have been pulling their reports out of all summer. I was hospitalised for days, and out of touch, earlier this week, so I very well might have missed DW’s comments.

It seems that if the salary cap goes as low as 50M, there would be less incentive for the max free agents to opt out in 2010, thus entering free agency in 2011. Many teams that cleared salary for James, Wade etc., will no longer have the 16.6M room for LBJ, and those that do, won’t have room to add complimentary players to lure Lebron away from Cleveland, Wade away from South Beach. Why wouldn’t they finish the contract and enter the market when the economy is better and the players will have a clearer idea of each teams resource for the future. If the economy in general, and the NBA revenue specifically, keep spiraling downward, the NBA will look entirely different any way, and many midmarket teams, with limited resources to raise revenues, will be forced to dissolve, and there players, redistributed. Just a guess on my part.

One caveat: if the players feel the uncertainty of the cba, and possible lockout, would adversely effect them, that would have to be considered in their decision. In all likelihood, the D. Lee’s and Nate’s of the league would be severely effected, not the “cash cow” max players.

Forgot to add my Rubio point.

In my opinion, getting Rubio now for 2011 would be a very good move for NY, even if you had to give up Will now to do so — especially if we manage to get LaBron here.

If LBJ comes out in 2010, he will know that Rubio (who wouldn’t cost any additional cap space until 2011) and a first round draft choice will be coming in 2011. If we rid ourselves of JJ and/or EC this year we could add another solid player in 2010, as well. If not, their contracts will be expiring after 2010/11 season. If offered something of solid value (unlikely), they can be traded. If not, they will have more value if held until expiration — we no longer have to trade them for junk. We would now have 18M, plus leftover space from 2010, to spend. Neither our draft choice nor Rubio will count against the cap until we sign them, so we can go over to do so. (perfect)

If LBJ comes out 2011 and we sign him, we could use all our current cap space (less whatever we might have gotten for JJ or EC) to spend on core players (maybe a max player) and use EC and JJ’s cap space (18M) to sign LBJ. Rubio and our first will join him once the cap space is used. (we will also have the MLE once cap is reached). Since the cap is certainly going to be higher than 2010, the extra cap space will be at our disposal too.

Meanwhile, Rubio will have had 6 years of professional experience in a system more aligned with D’s than most NBA teams are, will only be 22, and will be 2 years more mature and stronger. He will come with playoff experience (and the pressure that that brings) and will have played successfully in the olympics, which is as pressure filled for non-american teams as any playoff games in the NBA (pressurewise, not talentwise).

I would do it in a minute.

You will be getting a still very young player, who won’t effect the cap space (not 1 penny until after we use up 2010, 2011 space and JJ and EC’s cap space which will be off the books by then, who has been developing and filling out his body in a good league (agreed not NBA). He will be playing in a system and league that resembles D’s system.

Remember, his 4M rookie won’t be included in our cap until after we sign him. Now holds, so we can go over to do so.

Oh, and I don’t believe we will necessarily have to wait. There might be early out stipulations. We might be able to get him earlier if that is what’s best for us.

Let’s wait until we see details of the contract before just assuming we have to wait 2 years.

Some of you guys crack me up!

A 23 year old guy, who has had only a 38 game strectch as a decent starter, will be a monster, a star of the future, an indispensable part of our future core, and thrive under D’s system. Even though his skillset is not ideally matched to what is needed for D’s pg.

Yet a guy whose skills have been affective in a similar system to D’s for 4 years, is only 20 and developing and, as a mere child, led his team rather successfully against many of the best grown men in the world, in a pressure filled world stage, can only get worse while we wait for 2 years for him to grow enough facial hair to shave. Oh, and in the process had impressed many of the same stars who will be looking for new homes in the near future.

While hidden away in Europe, far from the NBA lights, the mystique and legend of Ricky Rubio grows larger. He’s the unknown. The anticipation of revealing the unknown always brings with it a certain amount of excitement.

The legend may always be greater than the reality. Lebron, Wade and others were duly impressed by Rickyboy when they saw him first hand. If any major player believes that they will thrive playing with Ricky — knowing he will be here in 2011 — helps make up their mind to come to the Knicks, go get him. He may be the biggest bust ever, yet still be worth the price if he helps hook LeBron.

Ok the statement I made was if there is no better trdae for Lee out there Donnie should consider a Lee for Rubio trade… And I dont see why he wouldnt… Lee is not in the 2010 plans so what would you really be losing… He wants a big long term contract we cant give… You would be gaining a future asset who wants to play for the Knicks… Rubio didnt come to Minny because he would have to personally pay a good portion of his buyout and didnt want to do that to play somewhere he didnt desire to be… I think a trade of Lee for Rubio could prove to be genius down the line… Whether it happens or not I have no idea…

But I do doubt that it takes place because of Kahn not Walsh…

Economic realities time — think about all this when planning and fantasizing:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Predicting-Worse-Ahead-fro-by-Stephen-Lendman-090904-682.html

* The economy has crashed and will crash another levle by end if this year.
*People will have little or no disposable income for buying tickets to games.
*NBA seats are way over-priced now and must go down.
* Advertising revenues are going down for NBA games.
* GMs are spending less.
* Salary caps are going down and will continue to go down.
* Any smart player will go for max $$$$$ now — like Sessions just did. The heyday of fat contracts for non-stars is over.
* Lee and N8 are going to be big losers. They’d be smart to get what they can now and play hard, because future long-term deals may not be coming like they used to.
* MSG is underway with a major mega-million $ renovation, and Dolan must have a top team with sell-outs in 2 years.
* Walsh must create a top attraction team asap, and not get handcuffed with lots of medium-sized contracts now with redundant players who are not going to be big attractions (like Sessions, a guy who is said to be a poor shooter). He will be ok with another 32-35 win year. Actually, he has no choice.

So, chill out mates — the Knix have little room to maneuver this year and they will still be dismal unless Gallo, Chandler, Douglas and Hill start to bloom. Be thankful that Walsh got rid of a lot of excess fat (J.J.Snax, T-Bo, Q, Rose, Crawford, etc.) and there is at least a light at the end of the tunnel in 2 years. The Isiah wreckage is still upon us but almost cleaned up.

DTR

we will have to wait. thinking anything else is not reality.

He has a 6 year contract with a buyout after TWO years with a major team in Spain that has no financial problems. I dont have to see the contract to understand that.

FCB is not going to lay out the buy out and his salary to give him out to walk in one year.

Anything can happen to RR in Spain from here on out. The chance of injury or misuse or mis development in much much higher now that he will not be under supervision of the Bucks medical and training staff for two whole years.

I would take him..of course.. but the price would be significantly less NOW than it would be BEFORE be signed with FCB and is unavailable for two years.

cesspool comments are not what ruined Han’s blog.

his lack of technology doomed the place.

having to type in dopey security codes that never worked then letting other people just use your alias by typing in any email address drove away most of the quality posters.

Not having a registration system allowed just any old person to make up 20 different aliases and talk to themselves.

Then his aesthetically horrendous redesign was the final nail in the coffin to the comments being a waste of time.

you are giving a lot of credit to a player in T Douglas who has not played a second of Point Guard int he NBA and was largely a Shooting guard in college.

Have you actually seen TD play? He’s got great game. He can get to the basket quickly, create his own shot if forced (has a knack for hitting them with other people on his face); he’s really athletic and a great defender. The only thing they busted him for at FL State was his lack of assisting, which he proved in camp he can do. Now he just needs minutes to get NBA pace on him. There’s no argument to state that he won’t be a good piece for this team. Obviously it won’t be fast or easy, but I definitely think he has those floor general skills needed to lead a team.

and you’re giving a lot of credit to a player that was second string (you can speculate all you want about his problems with his coach, but eventually a good coach would start his best guard) on a weak team. The kid has potential, yes; but Douglas is in the same position, except he can make the shots and play better D. The only difference between them is size and NBA experience.

Unfortunately, he also proved he can’t make a shot against summer league defenders. I have high hopes for Douglas too, but he’s far from a sure thing.

he played what? 5 summer league games?

that “proves he can do it”?

No argument to state that he wont be a good piece?

the dude was a late round pick from a small school. Odds are against him coming in RIGHT AWAY and performing.

If he was a lock then he would not have been picked in the last few spots of the first round.

you cant in one sentence say that his weakness is sharing the ball then turn around and say he has the floor general skills to lead an NBA team.

“small school” in the b ball sense.

Look let me rephrase that..

– T -Douglas is on the team.. I hope he does real well.. Ill root for him like every other knick.

But to EXPECT him to come in and be a regular rotation contributor from day 1 is unrealistic in my opinion.

He has serious limitations that led to his not being drafted til the late first round. I think at this point he is far far from a given as a contributor and should not be counted on for major minutes right from Saratoga.

I said they -as in scouts and analysts busted him for it-, not me. If he can make 10 to 11 assists per game like in camp… good enough for me for a start. You’re right on the fact that five games proves very little. But you can’t rule out so early.

glad for the enthusiasm ..

lets hope he can do at least half of what his supporters think he can

you’r right.. one has done it on the pro level and one hasnt.

lol did you actually read the article….that website is a joke

please find something from a reputable news source if you want anyone to take you seriously instead of a wacky economic blog

that being said, I like what Wash is doing here because the economic outlook is uncertain to say the least

and yes, i know i am reading a blog now…but this is about sports, not about something important like the economy

@Sec 40. Most of the blogging here and on other NBA blogs is all about the economics of player signings. I hate the fact that that is what the NBA has come down to. The NBA is in big trouble, as are all other sectors. OpEd News is not all wacky; Lendman is sharp. Some of my friends are economists and they concur. The NY Times is saying the same things. Having one’s head in the sand is one’s choice. Ok, let’s talk hoops.

DTR

ok, I said that I agree with Walsh’s moves because the economy is uncertain. No one knows for sure about the market’s direction. If anyone is sure, they can short S&P 500 futures right now…Lendman can make millions.

I work on wall st. and trust me, no one would ever refer an institutional client, e.g. Goldman Sachs, to that website. It is not highly regarded in the industry. Posting the NY Times story would have been better for your argument. That was the only problem I had with your post.

Cap space is uncertain next year…I have supported the view not to sign Sessions for a $4 million hit next summer exactly for that reason.

I know we disagree about the website, but we agree on the basketball moves made by Walsh and for the same reason.

So is Walsh is going to call Kahn after the holiday? Does Rubio only want to play for the Knicks or is he willing to play for someone else?

@Sec 40:

LOL! Of course people who work on and run Wall St. don’t read OpEd News! They would not want to hear what uncensored, highly-aware and concerned citizens have to say while their little fortress burns and comes crashing down.

DTR

Opednews’ tagline is “progressive, tough, liberal.” That’s all you need to know about that website not being trustworthy.