Is the Knicks Plan “Smart?”

bob beat u to the link already

it’s a good article an it’s on point

Walsh is right – this isn’t like the NFL, where you have a seven round draft, extra supplemental picks, and a 1-2 year period where you find out who can perform and who can’t pretty solidly. After Isiah’s idiocy, what choice do we have?

goodluck on the 2010 plan DONNIE

i guess u might have to overpay bosh joe john or amare..

what about trades?

now wait a second..

late first rounders are routinely for sale every year..

Last I heard the NBA draft was a TWO ROUND affair.. and what about Street free agents and the Development league and EUROPE???

You mean htese executives and scouts getting paid millions upon millions cant find a half dozen players in each of these venues that fits a given system??

what a cop out by Donnie.. The Second Round is what separates the REAL NBA GMs from the posers.. ANYONE can pick top ten and get a player by checking a web site..

Im not ralphing on the 2010 plan but just because free agency will be a bonanza in 12 months doesnt mean the front office and scouts can go to sleep until July 2010. If it was that easy we would only need a wake up call and a blank check.

I guess this is the kiss of death, when Mafioso Stern makes statement like this;

The thought of having the NBA’s biggest star in the league’s biggest market apparently does not appeal to Commissioner David Stern. The NBA’s head honcho told the Sports Take on Versus that he wants LeBron James to stay with the Cavaliers when he becomes a free agent after this upcoming season

dude you hate donnie lol. just admit it.

People have been complaining that the Knicks are “way over the cap this” and “way over the cap that” for the past decade. And soon as they come to the point where they’re going to be the #1 team with most cap space all the haters just come flying through the door saying that “it’s a dumb idea to cut their salary”.

My friend, if it’s a dumb idea to cut salary and save cap space then what’s your explanation for the losing this organization has had for the past decade or since Patrick Ewing left? Because the knicks were soooo over the cap it was impossible for this team to make any kind of trades that would benefit them and make them contenders. Prime Example of this is the Boston Celtics. Do you think that they would’ve been able to make those trades for Garnett and even Ray Allen if they weren’t under the cap. Hell No. And that’s why one way or the other the knicks needed to move in completely different direction and save their cap space.

AGREED

2010 is a gamble an donnie is calling there bluff

get ready to over pay DONNIE

Walsh has been asleep since he got here.

Ok, so what would you have done?

*whispers*
this should be good…

can i ask a dumb question?If lebron stays in cleveland,and the KNICKS sign say ,BOSH and JOHNSON and we still dont reach that championship level,and there is no cap room left,arent we in the same position that ZEKE left us in?(especially since we wont be able to afford resigning any of the players,on our own team whos contracts are expiring at the end of this season.Nate,Lee,Harrington ETC.)

Considering the fact that the Knicks weren’t going anywhere with Randolph and Crawford, YES DW’s project was the best way to go. Only one first-round exit separates the capspace plan believers from the doubters – I think it’s a “low risk high reward” strategy.

If no superstar’s willing to sign with the Knicks then our next GM/coach duo will have to TANK to hit the jackpot, period.

i respect the man’s history and knowledge but I also think that he took the Knicks job as a last hoorah big payout..

remember he was put out to pasture in Indiana years ago.

lets get real.. is anything i said above disputable?

Donnie says you need “four or five players” and you can only reasonably get one a year from the draft//

HUH???

sorry if it is tough work to build a team but thats what he is getting paid major bank for.

I didnt make that ridiculous statement Donnie Did.

Mind you I would NOT fire him largely because Dolan is so incompetent he could never find anyone right for the job,, A guy like Morley in Houston or Presti in OKC..

Even Danny Ainge showed steel Balls to make lemons out of lemonade and trade the five pick and young players for players on the outs in their long time homes..

1. i would have been on the same page with my coach over Marbury BEFORE MDA even sat at the presser

2. I’d be scouring the waiver wire for talent

3. I’d be using my financial muscle to buy late first rounders and second rounders.. Watch what Chase Budinger and other second rounders do in this league. Im sorry .. that is where the fakers are separated from the makers. Late round talent!!

4. Id buy out the dreck on the roster to make an example and show a new attitude on NYC. This year we’ve so many expirings that we can afford to jettison Hughes and STILL have plenty of bullets if a major trade comes along.

Last off season I would have added two more second rounders to the mix and jetisoned a big contract as a sacraficial lamb and I would have added a real PG of the future by hook or by crook and dealt with deleting Jeffries after the fact to make the books balance.

to say that “he’s been put out to pasture” is ridiculous.

in one breath you say you’re on board for 2010, but knock the lack of moves. then you say no lebron is a major fail for walsh. That’s contracting. the fact that we are in PLAY for James is BECAUSE of Walsh.

Say what you want about crawford and Zbo being traded again. He has to get CREDIT for moving them so that 2010 was even possible.

anyway, trust me when I say the man is still as sharp a basketball mind as there is…

oh.. and last year at the deadline I would have stuck with the 2010 plan and had Lee and Nate on the market agressively.. Not taken Lee off the market completely like DW did..

And Nate.. though I love him.. would be a Sacto King right now.

And I would have been more agressive getting in the top 5 of the draft.. it was a 7 player draft and we were at 8.. NO WAY anyone considered Jordan Hill a cant miss prospect.. that is just a DW mind screw.

your first beef is about Marbury?

and how can you make vague statements about “late round talent” when he acquired TD who will be in the rotation. How many picks did you think he could obtain? He’s got one next year from denver.

Just seems like a lot of posturing on your end.

Listen, he hasn’t been flawless but he’s playing the hand well and he’s got the rest of the season. Milicic and douglas make them a much better defensive team.

It’s on his coach to make it work. that’s a fair knock.

I just have one question – if you criticize DW’s moves what would you have done? I mean seriously, what is your plan!? At least I know that Bob would have signed Ramon Sessions, that is constructive criticism.

If I had to do it (again) :

1. Coach : Mike D’Antoni
2. Draft : Eric Gordon
3. Trade : Jamaal Crawford for Al Harrington (brilliant)
4. Trade : Zach Randolph for Cuttino Mobley and Tim Thomas
5. Trade : David Lee and Wilson Chanler for Anthony Randolph+ in December
6. Trade : Quentin Richardson for Darko Milicic
8. Draft : Demar DeRozan

So my team would have looked like :

Chris Duhon (Toney Douglas)
Eric Gordon (Nate Robinson
Al Harrington (Demar DeRozan)
Anthony Randolph (Jared Jeffries)
Darko Milicic (Eddy Curry)

He had a figure head position of “Chief Executive” in Indiana his last three years there.. Bird was the President of BBall Operations..

Donnie was considering Full blown retirement before Stern came to him and pleaded with im to take the NYK job cause Dolan is a complete buffoon.

Being on board with 2010 doesnt mean we go into suspended animation until then.

Zbo and Craw turned out to be much more tradeable than the media made them out to be. both are serviceable pros and not injured — I give donnie credit for waiting on zbo but there was a market for both.. teams were just trying to rip us off thinking IT was still at the wheel. it worked out OK.. not the trade of the century by any stretch.. both have subsequently been traded to a greater fool.

We’re on the same page regarding David Lee.

But I haven’t seen a legitimate source that leads me to believe that DW had a reasonable deal on the table to get the 5th pick. I just don’t know.

Great job Mucha. that’s what i’m talking about…but tell me, how many wins does that team get?

I still have d’antoni and Gallinari and trade J craw and zbo.

Steph embarrassed the organization and he was never my problem so that was what it was.

Hill, to me, was the best big available and guys 6;10 with skills don’t just fall out of the sky. Just imagine him at 25 thru 30 when he’s filled out and learns the game more.

I would have made the sacto move, but i’ve been hearing a lot lately that those rumors were exaggerated.

but they are off OUR ROSTER.

and trading crawford for harrington was an absolute fleecing.

you asked me what i would do and i responded..

i just went chronologically since his hiring.. Im not sure MDA was the best best pick for the head coaching job given his lack of Defensive focus but ill give DW a pass on that ..

Was I vague? i gave you a specific name. What about Patty Mills? or Mario Chalmers who was sitting there in the second round two years ago?
there are many more second round talent that comes out every year..

Do you dispute my statment that the ability to evaluate late first rounders and second rounders separate the fakers from the makers?

Do you agree with DW that you can only get one player a year if you rely on a draft strategy to build a team?

I like Doulas and it was smart to spend the 3 mil on the lakers pick.. I wanted more of that as there were many picks available and a team with our resources should be more agressive in scouting and buying late picks.. not just relying on a top ten pick that can be evaluated by reading a magazine.

Yeah this team doesn’t win more than 25-30 games – but at least they wouldn’t have to count on free agency to build a contender. Eric Gordon and Anthony Randolph being future All-Stars, 2010 would have been the icing on the cake and not the major option.

I love Gallinari though, he’ll be a star one day or another.

I believe the statement that building through the draft can take way too long. The spurs got lucky and landed duncan but how’d the Celtics do drafting in the top 10 for so long? What did Paul Pierce need to become a hall of famer?

the douglas move shows that walsh has the ability to find players.

And have you noticed yet that TD has plenty of natural PG ability?

fleecing?

the thing i like best about the deal is harrinton’s contact expires a year earlier..

but they are both pretty much the same player in terms of style. And Harrington occupies a front court position that is stocked with young players for us..

it was a good trade.. but there is no evidence that donnie did anything out of the ordinary to get that deal done. Craw was lighting it up for us and GSW is a dysfunctional mess and Al Buckets was not even playing there.

its like DW made those two trades int he first 15 games last year and then said wake me up in 2010.

pedal should have been to the metal in moving Lee and Nate at the deadline rather than sitting back and drinking the playoff kool aid..

we can be critical without persoanlly hating.. I dont have any personal feelings towards Mr Walsh.

I’d like him to be involved but he should bring in some young guys who can pound the pavement and work on deals and scouting..

I read where MDA got rid of the advanced scouting last year?? WTF.. you kidding on that? hire a hundred scouts fer krissakes.. it’s CVC money.

ill wait til 20 games in before I make my TD mix tape.. and sign him up for ROY.

well, if he is able to trade lee this year, then all the complaining is moot. Same with Nate.

NO WAY anyone cosidered Jordan Hill a cant miss prospect… ok… NO WAY anyone cinsidered Minnisotta picking 2 pg in a row. Or Golden State pissing off their freshly signed pg by drafting another.

When it got to pick 5, and flynn, rubio and curry were all still on board, how many people thought we would get stuck with hill?

i think it takes both agressive scouting, evaluation, drafting and tactical free agent signing.

Im sorry but i dont agree with DW’s statement that the days of building through the draft are over.

just because some teams do it poorly doesnt mean it is a flawed strategy.

getting as many chips on the table is the key to winning the game. throw away money at second rounders and late first rounders. Once was good but not enough..

Donnie wrote off the whole second round in his statements.

nice job

I’m kidding about hating walsh.

yeah, but here’s my thing, would you as a heady fan have applauded him for bailing out?

isn’t it the same knock as this year’s “throw away season” just a little longer?

Name a team that has successfully done it that way.

It’s not a dumb question, but cap room will be left – Jeffries and Curry are off the books in ’11. Bosh and Johnson makes space for ‘Melo at the 3 (not that that is what I would like the roster to be, but…).

I had griffin
rubio
Hill

as my top 3. Evans shot up as did holiday for me and Curry was around the same slot he was taken.

Don’t give up on hill yet. I’m disappointed from what I’ve seen thus far but he will get better.

He’s working hard.

i woulda liked Z-BO on this team (not his contract)

after next summer i’ll judge DONNIE
i can’t knock donnie his plan was to get under the cap he did now just wait
but he could have brought in better players for training camp..

i’m already seeing whoeva he signs exclude lebron aka crab walk is going to be overpaid

stay tuned…

if he gives gerald green a chance i’ll give him some pluses..
got nothing to lose at this point

i woulda made THIBEDEAU (SPELLING?) the head coach,and built a defensive team,but i still like the GALLO pick,hate the Hill pick,and yes,i woulda signed Sessions(i really think Duhon is awful)

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ramon_sessions/

Sessions hasn’t been impressive.

Please explain to me why Sessions was the right choice per dollar to be the “PG of the future”

This dude’s been pretty good so far too. granted, Holiday sneaked past Henderson, but I liked him a ton.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/gerald_henderson/game_by_game_stats.html

Looking at Hill for the future, though… Is he a 4 or a 5 in this system?

well at the time i thought Sessions would’ve been great in this system,(i dont know whats happening in minn.but i think he woulda faired better here) we will know better as the season progresses,but at any rate ,i still think hes better than Duhon,and his contract is less.i swear,watching last years games,if i didnt know any better,it almost looked as if Duhon was purposely throwing passes away,i know he wasnt but he s so bad it looked that way.plus an upgrade at the point,woulda prolly put us in the playoffs.Sessions hasnt been getting a lot of burn for the wolves,i still think its wierd that they signed him

I don’t why people are down on Duhon. He was a workhorse last year. Granted he is most likely better as a back up, but damn he sure did a he’ll of a job running a team that really didn’t have any go to guy.
Enough about that I have need saying all summer long and now as fall comes to a end. The knicks are gearing up for a blockbuster trade. I don’t know who with . My source tell me say good by to Nate, and with a package of curry or jefferies. I know I don’t have a name like BT, Or SAS but I know what I know.
These KNicks have a system that if they get a swingman that can run and shoot along with a real althletic Big 4 they will hard to beat.
Don’t give up on Dunhon, keep Dlee and Al Harrigton . I’m not sold on Gallo. Maybe you guys are, I think the kid is week. He will show flashes to me he is or has the body of Channing Frye he just has a jump shot. I will be back with more I’m getting on a plane

You are so right! This is by far the best GM we have has in a long long time. DW will pull the trigger before the trade deadline this year. You heard it here 1st. We at least have a plan! A plan to be better and young. All I want is a real swingman with great shooting touch and inside game. I want a big 4 that is punisher. With that u have a team that will be a beast. We don’t need curry but we need him to show some fucking life so we van get rid of his ass.. I hate jefferies but at least he hustles. The rookies I’m not impressed with if I had to complain it would be why Hill.

He’s not a 5. The fact that they want him to be a 5 is Dali-esque.

yea him or jackson

i think gallo at best would be
van horn after the nets..

Haha Phil Jackson?!!??

Marc Jackson sorry

I need some rest obviously but still, Mark Jackson??

“Hands down Man Down”??!!????

He has no experience, man he’s not even a good commentator!

i bet he would have done a better job then this rucker style coach

i am not close to giving up on him.

I was just sayin that after the 4th pick, it looked to be that DW played the draft perfect. That we were gonna walk away with either rubio, curry or flynn… nobody saw those three guys as going 5, 6, 7…

he took a gamble, lost a little, but ended up with not too bad a conciliation prize.

I seem to remember everyone ripping the Chandler pick a few years ago as well…

NO WAY!Gallo will be as good as Turkoglu in 3 years.and ya gotta remember ,he just turned 21

which turkey?
the 1 from sactown or last year magics?

Come on, let’s be serious.