Comments on: The One Where Tommy Holds Himself Accountable http://www.theknicksblog.com/2009/11/08/the-one-where-tommy-holds-himself-accountable/ The One-Stop Shop for Hopeful Knick Fans Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:30:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: IGMKNICKS http://www.theknicksblog.com/2009/11/08/the-one-where-tommy-holds-himself-accountable/#comment-77023 IGMKNICKS Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:41:52 +0000 http://www.theknicksblog.com/?p=10679#comment-77023 And therein lies the first problem. . . .no one willing to accept responsibility for this mess. . . Hopefully, the naysayers have a bit more discretion than to accept this on-court disaster just because it is the natural result of managerial incompetence or what is called the 2010 plan. I said it last year and I am happy to repeat it again -- you do not build a winner this way. If you want to know hoe winners are built for endurance look at the San Antonio Spurs, Oklahoma Thunder and Los Angeles Lakers. This gut the team and buy a star model does not fit in the NBA because it is about so much more than money and the imagined allure of midtown Manhattan and crazy pitchmen. When are the Yes-sayers going to accept the truth about this mess. And therein lies the first problem. . . .no one willing to accept responsibility for this mess. . .

Hopefully, the naysayers have a bit more discretion than to accept this on-court disaster just because it is the natural result of managerial incompetence or what is called the 2010 plan.

I said it last year and I am happy to repeat it again — you do not build a winner this way. If you want to know hoe winners are built for endurance look at the San Antonio Spurs, Oklahoma Thunder and Los Angeles Lakers. This gut the team and buy a star model does not fit in the NBA because it is about so much more than money and the imagined allure of midtown Manhattan and crazy pitchmen.

When are the Yes-sayers going to accept the truth about this mess.

]]> By: MrFurious http://www.theknicksblog.com/2009/11/08/the-one-where-tommy-holds-himself-accountable/#comment-77019 MrFurious Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:36:37 +0000 http://www.theknicksblog.com/?p=10679#comment-77019 I think Lee has internalized that a certain amount of losing is acceptable. That said, if you are watching the games, his game improves. He is developing a fairly consistent "J". On an individual level that "J" if it remains consistent for the year represents big money for him next year. Long term 8-10 mil. I think Lee has internalized that a certain amount of losing is acceptable. That said, if you are watching the games, his game improves. He is developing a fairly consistent “J”. On an individual level that “J” if it remains consistent for the year represents big money for him next year. Long term 8-10 mil.

]]> By: MrFurious http://www.theknicksblog.com/2009/11/08/the-one-where-tommy-holds-himself-accountable/#comment-77017 MrFurious Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:30:34 +0000 http://www.theknicksblog.com/?p=10679#comment-77017 Agree 100%. This team was detonated LAST year. This is just the rump. I can certainly see someone blaming D'Antoni and walsh for this fiasco but lets face it. This is not an NBA caliber team from both a talent perspective and more importantly from an effort perspective. These MEN (a term I use loosely) are losers, D Lee, Robinson, Jefferies, Duhon, and the lot. They show zero effort other than shooting. D'antoni bears responsibility in this as does Walsh but we've already played our 2010 hand, and so we wait. The next exciting thing will be trade deadline rumors about who we ship out. Agree 100%. This team was detonated LAST year. This is just the rump. I can certainly see someone blaming D’Antoni and walsh for this fiasco but lets face it. This is not an NBA caliber team from both a talent perspective and more importantly from an effort perspective. These MEN (a term I use loosely) are losers, D Lee, Robinson, Jefferies, Duhon, and the lot. They show zero effort other than shooting. D’antoni bears responsibility in this as does Walsh but we’ve already played our 2010 hand, and so we wait. The next exciting thing will be trade deadline rumors about who we ship out.

]]> By: Tommy Dee http://www.theknicksblog.com/2009/11/08/the-one-where-tommy-holds-himself-accountable/#comment-77002 Tommy Dee Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:54:43 +0000 http://www.theknicksblog.com/?p=10679#comment-77002 getting nahsayers to "accept" anything in NY is impossible Jeff... getting nahsayers to “accept” anything in NY is impossible Jeff…

]]> By: Tommy Dee http://www.theknicksblog.com/2009/11/08/the-one-where-tommy-holds-himself-accountable/#comment-77001 Tommy Dee Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:53:32 +0000 http://www.theknicksblog.com/?p=10679#comment-77001 They've molded this mess? Duhon was a bridge...and played well last year. if you can't see that you just don't like duhon. they knew what they were getting into...2010 freedom. If they are 1-6 next year then you can be overly critical. not now. They’ve molded this mess?

Duhon was a bridge…and played well last year. if you can’t see that you just don’t like duhon.

they knew what they were getting into…2010 freedom. If they are 1-6 next year then you can be overly critical.

not now.

]]> By: Tommy Dee http://www.theknicksblog.com/2009/11/08/the-one-where-tommy-holds-himself-accountable/#comment-77000 Tommy Dee Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:50:46 +0000 http://www.theknicksblog.com/?p=10679#comment-77000 Dude, don't insult me by saying something as elementary as "just because defense is “stressed” in training camp doesn’t mean it would translate to the start of the season." No kidding...I've been through plenty of training camps, not just with the knicks. I know defense is a fragile mentality. it just seemed like they cared more and they were together on a journey. togetherness is what defense is... Dude, don’t insult me by saying something as elementary as

“just because defense is “stressed” in training camp doesn’t mean it would translate to the start of the season.”

No kidding…I’ve been through plenty of training camps, not just with the knicks. I know defense is a fragile mentality.

it just seemed like they cared more and they were together on a journey.

togetherness is what defense is…

]]> By: Jeff Cykiert http://www.theknicksblog.com/2009/11/08/the-one-where-tommy-holds-himself-accountable/#comment-76996 Jeff Cykiert Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:45:42 +0000 http://www.theknicksblog.com/?p=10679#comment-76996 I don't know why people are looking for someone to blame. The coach, the GM, the owner, the players... Isn't this obvious? like someone said above, this isn't a team, its a compilation of expiring stop gap rent-a-sucky-players. We start Duhon at the PG (the most important position), who probably couldn't clock more than 20 minutes on ANY other team in the league. We start chandler who might be athletic and have potential but the level that he's playing at would leave him out of any rotation in the league, pretty much, besides ours. We play Jeffries for significant minutes... enough said We have NO center. We have NO power forward (lee is playing center), and we sure as hell have NO point guard; and we're still experimenting with larry hughes at the SG. I mean, what on earth do you expect to happen right now? There is no system the fits these players, DW and MD know as well as most of us do that this season is a waist, and it is pretty depressing but it is what it is. The coach is supposed to find a system that caters to these guys? Haha, c'mon there is no system that caters to these guys. We all knew we were throwing this season, and while some of us, including myself, thought that this crappy team could maybe catch a spark and make the season relatively interesting, it turns out we can't. Nobody is the blame, you just have to accept that we have no players right now. I don’t know why people are looking for someone to blame. The coach, the GM, the owner, the players…

Isn’t this obvious? like someone said above, this isn’t a team, its a compilation of expiring stop gap rent-a-sucky-players. We start Duhon at the PG (the most important position), who probably couldn’t clock more than 20 minutes on ANY other team in the league.

We start chandler who might be athletic and have potential but the level that he’s playing at would leave him out of any rotation in the league, pretty much, besides ours.

We play Jeffries for significant minutes… enough said

We have NO center. We have NO power forward (lee is playing center), and we sure as hell have NO point guard; and we’re still experimenting with larry hughes at the SG. I mean, what on earth do you expect to happen right now? There is no system the fits these players, DW and MD know as well as most of us do that this season is a waist, and it is pretty depressing but it is what it is.

The coach is supposed to find a system that caters to these guys? Haha, c’mon there is no system that caters to these guys.

We all knew we were throwing this season, and while some of us, including myself, thought that this crappy team could maybe catch a spark and make the season relatively interesting, it turns out we can’t.

Nobody is the blame, you just have to accept that we have no players right now.

]]> By: HaS http://www.theknicksblog.com/2009/11/08/the-one-where-tommy-holds-himself-accountable/#comment-76966 HaS Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:51:31 +0000 http://www.theknicksblog.com/?p=10679#comment-76966 "Overall, Lee is the only above average player on the team" When your +/- is as bad as his is (probably mostly due to his defense), does it even matter? “Overall, Lee is the only above average player on the team”

When your +/- is as bad as his is (probably mostly due to his defense), does it even matter?

]]> By: traps9 http://www.theknicksblog.com/2009/11/08/the-one-where-tommy-holds-himself-accountable/#comment-76965 traps9 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:56:21 +0000 http://www.theknicksblog.com/?p=10679#comment-76965 Anyone think we can pry Deron Williams from Utah if we offer up Lee/Curry/Duhon/Chandler for Williams/Harpring/Korver? They're gonna have two lottery picks, unfortunately, and they won't have to re-sign Boozer next year with Curry (and if they wanna pick up Lee). Anyone think we can pry Deron Williams from Utah if we offer up Lee/Curry/Duhon/Chandler for Williams/Harpring/Korver? They’re gonna have two lottery picks, unfortunately, and they won’t have to re-sign Boozer next year with Curry (and if they wanna pick up Lee).

]]> By: Qaspec http://www.theknicksblog.com/2009/11/08/the-one-where-tommy-holds-himself-accountable/#comment-76961 Qaspec Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:32:02 +0000 http://www.theknicksblog.com/?p=10679#comment-76961 It is....hence the whole 2010 plan. It is….hence the whole 2010 plan.

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