“…Even with rookie Toney Douglas emerging and Nate Robinson returning — he’s questionable tonight vs. Golden State — Duhon’s starting job is safe.
“Duhon is my point guard; he’s in a funk and we’ve got to get him out of it,” D’Antoni said. “He’ll get out of it; we just have to keep on going. Toney’s doing a good job, Nate coming in will hopefully boost us a bit. I’m not shedding or throwing people overboard.”
Duhon is shooting just 23.6 percent, and after being booed in a scoreless, three-turnover outing Wednesday against the Hawks, admits he’s pressing.
“Just a little bit,” Duhon said. “You go out and try too hard, and it just starts to keep adding on and adding on, so I’ve just got to relax, have fun. I haven’t been having fun because I’m just trying too hard, so just clear my mind go out and have fun and see what happens.”
Clearly this is the coach giving a veteran another opportunity against a team whom he had his best professional game against.
The sooner Duhon returns to last season form (first half season) the better off the team will be. We need Duhon to be the distributor as he is very capable of getting the ball to teammates for open shots. Team progress depends on leadership from Duhon. Once Duhon is on track , I believe more ball movement will follow. This team has never looked worst. Give it a chance and thinks will get better in a hurry.
Duhon wil never return to last seasons form,because there was NO last seasons form………OK his shooting pct was better,but right afterthe other teams caught on to the dlee pick n roll(like mid december)duhons game went, not downhill,but back to usual,just cuz you fooled a few teams who werent expecting the pick n roll doesnt mean your game was good.he is now ,what he always was,a below avg,point guard!
tell them BOB
Bob: we agree. He can return to being the below average PG he was last year and his entire career in Chicago. All we need is below average on this team to win 35 games. Next year when we have Sessions or some other star, we can look forward to 50+ games. Meanwhile he is in final year as D’Antoni’s PG. Changing to Nate Robinson or Toney Douglas at this point in the season makes no sense.
Donnie walsh coulda had sessions this year,but chose to go with duhon.walsh would look like an idiot if he traded for sessions next year when he coulda been working him into the system already.SYSTEM? i also (after last year of being totaly psyched)think we hired the wrong coach
i seriously dont think you can build your team around a coachs philosophy,cuz when the coach leaves,what r u supposed to do,go out and get a whole new team?this is a bigger mess than most people know,and i dare say …..YES,a bigger mess than ZEKE could ever make(and i hated zeke)heres what happens:Knicks sign 2 max players ,one gets hurt ,we have no cap room ,just one good player and whatever donnie could sign for scraps for the next 5 or 6 years…hows that for a plan?
Bob: don’t understand your position. D’Antoni had a good record with PHX. PHX has been playing winning ball since he left. It is not the system that wins. It is good players who win. You can be as skeptical as you want but for the first time in years I believe current management has a plan that will succeed. We will see. Forget about Sessions. He is not the answer but I admit he could have made this season easier to take..
how many games do you go with only 4 scorer’s to achieve that objective?
he has stopped shooting he is so scared, give him a couple nights off, then ease him back in. Give Hughes and Robinson 35 minutes with Harrington, Lee and Gallo, you could have won tonight. Tired of DA’s smile post game, a couple times Clyde has questioned moves, more to come.
Meh.
Still, this should be a winnable game.
Which means we’re definitely going to lose.
Personally I rather just give minutes to Douglas and let the kid develop his game, he’s full of confidence right now and he needs the NBA minutes to learn how to pass the ball.
Agreed. If TD can learn to dish, and he should if he works on his game, he has to start. No question. Let Duhon come off the bench.
it’s all good duhon can start but give doug more mins than DUHON..
once doug gets his passing game on
it’s a wrap
drive kick shoot
It’s going to rip my heart watching Stephen Curry destroy Chris Duhon.
I hate you Don Nelson.
And shame on Mike D’Antoni. He’s done a TERRIBLE job this year.
YUP
curry might go for 50 if he is on.u never know.
an for danni boy he has done a really bad job
AN YES I KNOW THE PLAYERS ARE BAD
but like i said b4 the coaching isn’t much better than the players
Thanks Walsh for drafting Hill who cant get on the court instead of Jennings who would rip apart every guard on G.S.!!! GM of the year for Walsh for sure!!! lol
How many times did you see Jennings play? Did you see his film from Europe or did you only watch the Mcdonalds All-American game?
Did you want to draft Jennings at draft time?
What about the other GM’s who were scared to draft him? Even Milwaukee admittedly made a huge gamble because they really didn’t know what they were getting. And if rumors are true if he had gotten past 10, who knows where he slides.
And since when do we grade drafts after 10 games?
You’re probably the same guy who bashed the Gallo pick, not knowing anything about him.
I respect that you want to defend the GM thats cool and I will be happy to reply. First I saw everything that everyone else saw which was as much as we saw of Rubio who everyone had a boner for!! (a race thing? who knows) but what I did see was pure talent and vision at a position that we had nothing to lose rolling the dice on, and after Curry was gone I would of been fine with ether Jennings or Rubio because it would of been worth the risk based on talent upside and need at the position. Me myself I would of traded down for more picks later in the first rd and if Jennings would of slipped to us then fine.
I will say this once again and it was the buzz during the draft, Gallo being picked by us was a favor to his dad by his friend MD. That is not in any way me calling him a bum but answer me this would you at this point trade him for Lopez or a few other guys that where drafted after him in a heartbeat?
FYI Jennings is starting and Hill cant get garbage time run in these 10 games!
What is up with all this race talk the past few days?
Yeah I agree what is going on with all the race talk lately? We are all knick fans and race has no part in it. I am white and I really like Gallo, but I also like Douglas, Chandler and Hill. Race has nothing to do with it at all.
I believe that there are subconscious reason why some players and people in management positions are treated differently & perceived differently then there white counter parts. While Zeek is lynched for what was viewed as poor management Walsh gets a pass. Ricky Rubio was the golden boy savior but Jennings is the bad boy no good problem child from the hood who is over rated, mind you they both have about the same amount of film available. So to some including me at times there can seem to be an underlined race element involved. Hey it could just be coincidence but there was a fantastic question asked the other day and it was “if Dave Lee was black would he get the same pass and be so loved as he is?” But hey like I said it could just be coincidence.
BJ didn’t play in the Olympics against the NBA’S BEST and hold his own. BJ didn’t play in a Pro Basketball league most of his life.
BJ was a young fresh out of High School kid with a lot of potential (how many times has that went wrong).
Get over it BLACKWOOD! Get out of here, if your gonna bring racial issues, into sports talk. Who cares, it is what it is!!
Wow!! I thought this was an open minded blog where all Knick related issues could be discussed including the double standered that at times impact on how some fellow Knicks fans can feel. As well that there is a race issue that leads to some pros being treated more negatively then others based on race. Sharing this view and how it can in turn impact what players are picked and how they can be treated differently once on the team directly impacts the team.
As for the one game you saw him go against an old Kidd was a cool sample of what he can do and as I said before after Curry was gone I would of been happy with ether Rubio or Jennings seeing as PG was a need for our team and a roll of the dice on Jennings once both Curry & Rubio was gone was well worth it rather then taking a shot on a big nobody was talking about on this blog or anywhere else in relation to the Knicks.
The fact that you guys get so defensive and overly aggressive on an issue is a tad scary. take a deep breath we are all adults and its perfectly fine to disagree with me and have another view without going over the top.
Oh and in closing Jennings has 10 games in the NBA and is looking fantastic so forgive me for being upset that we missed out on a guy like that because he was a little out spoken (comes with being young) and because our GM fed in to a stereotyping trap, but if we could deal with Nate and his outburst we dang sure could of rolled the dice on Jennings!
Blackwood, it helps nothing to think that way about race. People are fans of who they like, and they like people with characteristics they admire. I love many blacks and whites and Asians and Hispanics. What’s the BDF if I prefer one over the other? Just shrug it off if white guys like some white guys. BFD. They probably like some black guys too. But what’s the BF diff? We are rooting for our favorite athletes. That’s not bigotry. It’s human nature to want some players who have your skin color on your team. Deal with it. It ain’t about racism. Actually, race is a myth. We are all in the human race.
Zeke was not lynched. He is alive and well and filthy rich for accomplishing nothing recently. Every manager and coach gets criticism, and big bucks to take it.
Walsh has a solid 25-year track record and a 5-yr contact or so to right this disaster, and no sexual scandals or other nonsense, and he is a savvy lawyer and highly regarded. Who could get the Knix out of this mess better? Anyone would need 3-5 yrs. Patience is what we all need.
DTR
what is this crap?
Black or white …who cares? man o man..
They all stink.Every Knick- except TD23,Gallo, Hughes(?)
Period.
Man, too much thinking on that one.
the deal IS
WE NY fans are SO impatient.
That’s why mgmt. from Checketts up to Isiah spolied us with trades to make the team better-(whether they succeeded or not)and they ALL think that New yorkers are impatient ,agressive and want imediate changes regardless of the end result (Dolan being the #1 proto-typical impatient NYer)-prior to JVG quitting in 01-we didn’t complain, write, bloged and talked about the cap or race, or incompetence or overpaid underachivers- it used to be “why didn’t Ewing stuff the ball in the finals?),Van the Man!-
man o man
NOTE:DW is pokerfaced(which I like),he is also NOT a typical NYer- He goes a different route- He will NEVER bad mouth a player- he’s NOT biased in any way-also he has the ultimate inside knowledge on players(jennings)and will take the blame for oversight rather than tell YOU the truth- who the hell are you?
He has a job,you have a job- you do your job-
there is a plan- we just don’t know the exact one-all we do is speculate- and hope- and have fun doing it in these blogs- our new chant is “They all go! ”
remember what DW said at his early press conferences-PATIENCE…..
DECLARE???????????
now stop your whining
-Do you remember any particular games that you watched in which he displayed his pure vision?
-So you don’t think drafting an athletic big is worth the risk? But you think drafting a PG who had character questions is worth the risk?
-I’m not saying Jordan Hill will be a big time player or not but to judge a draft after 10 games is crazy. Big men typically take more time to develop than do pg’s. Him sitting on the bench now means nothing.
-And maybe it will turnout that Jennings is the better player in the future but even if that turns out to be the case I can’t blame Donnie for passing on him because there were too many Question marks. Many other Gm’s felt the same way.
-And as far as your stand that drafting Gallo was a favor to his father, well that is a joke. You can’t be serious. This is the NBA, not 7th grade basketball. The buzz of the draft from who?you? Noone in their right mind would think that drafting Gallo was a favor.
So you mean to tell me that the Gallo draft as a family friend hook up is something you never heard until I just posted it? honestly is that what your saying? Tommy I know your pro Gallo but can you at the very least confirm that among NY sports writers that very thing was a strong question please for the sake of keeping things fair and balanced!! But hey I could be wrong, im not hear to attack you OAK or anyone else for that matter so don’t get so worked up if we don’t share the same views. As for what game I saw Jennings court vision…my friend youtube it!! the guy has skills!! You may have some hate for the guy but don’t down play his talent and if your not sure the vision and skills are there go check out his first 10 games in the NBA for the proof! It is a shame you rather bash Jennings instead of bashing the GM for his lack of vision and stereotyping a young guy who wanted nothing but to be the starting PG for the Knicks!! It is cool if you have faith in Hill, I for one hope he lives up to it but you want to shower all this promise on a guy nobody was talking about during the draft!! Wait let me guess you where hoping we would draft the sleeper star in Hill the whole time right?? LOL
- I don’t think you are quite getting my point on Jennings. Im not hating on Jennings. Im just saying that it is ridiculous to judge a draft on 10 games and that no matter how good Jennings turns out to be I don’t blame Donnie for not drafting Jennings.
-What do you mean nobody was talking about Hill. He was top 10 on just about everyones draft board and top 5 on a few as well. You are putting words in my mouth. Where exactly was I raving about Hill. Where did I say Hill was going to be a stud. Where am I showering him with promise? Where? And where was I bashing Jennings? Where I said he has character issues? If you skip a job interview, there would be no way I would hire you based upon that impression alone. I haven’t bashed his game.
-Youtube clips? really? Its a good thing you weren’t the GM of the team with the #1 pick the year Sebastion Telfair came out because if you would base drafts on youtube clips you probably would have drafted Telfair #1 overall. Again Jennings looks like hes going to be a good player but don’t judge a draft on 10 games.
-And I guarantee you whatever rumors were going around about the Gallo drafting as being a favor to his father, no sportswriter took it very seriously.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and predict that Jordan Hill will not be in the ROY conversation at any point of the season,
Will Jordan Hill be the better pick down the road (2 years)? Maybe, but not this year and this being the year that the Knicks needed to convince top tier players (read LeBron, James) Jennings should have been the pick.
There wasn’t a lot to go on about Jennings pre-draft, but apparently he looked good in a lot of workouts. The teams that were looking for point guards higher in the draft chose to go in a different direction. _’antoni being from Italy (basically his second home) he should have beenable to find out something or at the very least find someone who knew something about the kid. Especially since it seems everyone he played with and worked with raved about the kid, his work ethic, his demeanor and how he handled himself humbly in a foreign land playing with grown men.
The Knicks were (or should have been) looking for a point guard in a “point guard draft” they could have looked like geniuses drafting a player with ROY potential, instead they’re 1-8 with an imbalanced roster and a lottery pick who can’t break into the rotation in garbage time (there’s been a lot of it).
Fire Donnie–Fire Donnie!!!!!
We’ll be hearing that soon, too.
and D”ANTONI
i’ll say by the 15-20th game if the team only has 5 wins or less
yes the chants will begin
How about towards the end of Dec we try to pull off Harrington,Duhon,Gallo,Nate & Mobley with our 2nd rd pick for CP3 & Diogu….Just in case you wonder why the would do that? Well we already know about the coach issue but there also going to be 3mill over the luxury tax which the owner in no way wants to deal with that.
Let us also be honest with the fact that we all know that team is going to be broken up at some point next year anyway because it is going nowhere fast, so why not speed up our growth based on that by at least trying to get CP3! they save a ton of money and we get our PG to pair up with whatever other star we end up inking. Just a thought.
Did you do the numbers on that CP3 trade?
I think the Hornets would want most value out of CP3 BUT wouldn’t they want Chandler over Gallo. I mean whats the point in having two Peja’s?
If we give them Those people the Hornets actually look better.
Collison, Peja, Harrington, West, Okafor
with Nate, Gallo/Chandler, Brown and Hilton being rotated constantly is pretty good.
Sounds good to me!! lol im all for it whatever it takes to make it happen im all for!! I just was putting out a version of trade we should at least try to make. But im glad your on board with at least giving it a shot =)
This “Gallinari was picked because of D’Antoni’s connection” argument is BULLSH*T.
Danilo Gallinari was the best euro prospect since Dirk Nowitzki, his name in Europe was hotter than Ginobili when he was younger and Andrea Bargnani who was the 1st overall pick in 2006. Hell, his resume was even better (by far) than Rubio’s.
He was a CAN’T-MISS prospect and several NBA scouts believed that he was the best player in the draft.
Please do some research.
I didn’t mean to be disrespectful/aggressive blackwood but please, do some research. To say that Gallinari was picked because of his dad is Jon Barry-esque.
Ginobli is not from Europe.
No shots.
He’s not from Europe but he played in Italy :
Viola Reggio Calabria (1998–2000)
Kinder Bologna (2000–2002)
Obviously the 18 year old Gallinari wasn’t as good as the 24 year old Ginobili but many people thought he was potentially better than Ginobllliiiiiiiiiiiii.
Gallinari was picked because they had Isiah Thomas go and scout him, and they trusted thomas’ evaluation. Given his good draft reputation. Don’t forget Isiah was a scout for them, after they fired him from his head coaching position.
I am not saying its a fact I am just saying in hindsight I would not find it hard to believe seeing as he did not get picked in the top 5 based on the rave reviews you are sharing with me.
“Gallo being picked by us was a favor to his dad by his friend MD” – it was an affirmative statement, how could I believe that it wasn’t a fact in your opinion?
Emotional conspiracy theorists and incompetent journalists spread the rumor (it was just a rumor) – the fact that D’Antoni played with Gallinari’s father was a coincidence, Gallo was a great prospect regardless.
2007-2008 Euroleague : 31.6 minutes, 14.9 points per game, 4.2 rebounds per game, 1.7 assists per game. And the kid wasn’t even 20 years old.
The sad part about Duhon is that his 23% shooting isn’t even the problem. He’s supposed to be our PG, and in this system that means he’s supposed to play with high energy and push the ball consistently. How many times this season have you seen Duhon sprint down the court after a rebound with a guy on each side, and make a bounce pass for a wide open layup on the fast break? ZERO. And that is like the whole point of the system. We are supposed to be one of the fastest teams in the league and we are one of the slowest. He doesn’t make any plays at all, doesn’t find anyone in there spots, doesn’t push the ball, and turns the ball over all the time.
Add the 23 % shooting into that, and its just disgusting.
Also, i’m sick of people complaining about our draft picks. Jesus, its been 10 games, Hill isn’t ready to play yet as most drafted big men usually aren’t, so please just SHUT THE F UP for a year. God, it’s really annoying.
Good point Jeff.
Paradoxical situation :
- We’re supposed to play fast but we’re the slowest team in the NBA. The players are supposed to run but – for some reason – the point guard doesn’t want to push the tempo so nobody’s running.
- We’re a jumpshooting team but we only have poor jumpshooters (with a few exceptions).
The Knicks won’t win if they don’t make some adjustements.
Good point…finally Mucha!!! I would rather see Toney Douglas run the point just because we don’t run. I thought that was Mike D’s thing. Duhon is so slow and doesn’t get into the lane. Toney D hasn’t done that much penetrating either but he showed it some.
“Hill isn’t ready to play yet as most drafted big men usually aren’t, so please just SHUT THE F UP for a year.”
Amar’e was playing straight out of High School. Isn’t that who he’s being compared to?
This is a bad (that’s an understatement) team, the whole reason it was in the LOTTERY in the first place, he should be playing. Period.
5 mins? 10 mins? 15 mins? Something.
Sh** I’d argue he should be starting.
I agree he should be playing a lot more i would like to see him start, but if the coach wants to work him in slowly than let’s let him work him in slowly. I think he should be playing more, but to draw conclusions on the quality of the draft pick itself is foolish.
Like I said in another post, I’m going to go out on a limb and say he won’t be in the ROY conversation this year.
dont forget that the best shooter on the whole team ,takes the least amount of shots
this is the problem and why walsh is doing a poor job,duhon is supposed to be our PG.he cannot do the job in Dantonis offense,yet walsh picked him anyway and gave him 6 million WTF?
Good point Oak!!!… A few good games and some highlights on ESPN doesn’t mean Jennings is a all-star in the making. In fact I am going on record as saying that he won’t be all that much in the NBA. Kenny Smith.2. I would’ve still taken Hill over Jennings because Hill will be the better player…..And please all of this CP3 trade talk. You can’t give away half the team to get one player. Even Jordan needed help in winning a championship and do you really think that Lebron is going to win with those cast of characters he has for teammates??
I mean its trade talk but not really we are just saying what we would give up for him.
But 3 of those players in that trade are on their way out anyway.
Yes you can give away half the team. Boston gave away half the team to get Garnett. I believe CP3 along with Okafor or Stojakovic will be Knicks by the end of the season. New Orleans is in start over mode. New York has the money to make such a deal happen. Maybe then we can stop talking about how Brandon Jennings was the Answer.
Are you for real???? Kenny played with a championship team that included “The Dream” last time I checked there is nobody on the bucks but Jennings and there doing much better then we are!! Have you seen there starting line up??? its trash and there winning with him running the show and making those nobodys better!! They just beat denver that means he did what he did against Billups!! 32pts,9dimes,4boards!! come on stop the hate guys our GM blew it!!
Some of you guys are funny for bashing the GM. The same GM that is responsible for clearing tons of cap space in 1 year. Fellas, this is what rebuilding is all about. Be patient. I know we have not had a team capable of going deep in to the playoffs in 10 years but July 2010 is right around the corner. Most of the guys on this roster wont be here and we will be starting over fresh. LeBron isn’t coming but there will be other guys that can help this team. I personally would trade for CP3 and sign Joe Johnson(just not to a max contract). CP3 Joe Johnson and Gallo are a good start. We can see if Hill can be that 5 for us and play Chandler at the 4. I’m not sold on Bosh, who is having knee woes on top of that, and I want no parts of Amare. Then continue to build from there. Look at what Atlanta has done. Drafted Josh Smith and Horford. Boy did they whiff on CP3. Then added a few pieces in Bibby,etc. Now look at them.
why would watching a bad team for 2 years and clearing cap space be entertaining for a knicks fan? A: it isnt
My mistake on the line ups. Either Chandler and an expiring or Gallo and an expiring would most likely have to be included in that deal. But any team that starts with CP3 and Joe Johnson would be a good start. In 2011, Carmello could be a FA. With Curry and Jeffries coming off the books, we might have the cap space to add him. If CP3 become available this year Walsh better jump on it.
IMO, the frustration for us all is we’re going into the 2nd year of being asked to wait for FAs in 2010 that will make everything alright. We understand that time is needed to make cap space clearing deals … BUT the problem during the wait period is we don’t see good judgements being made with draft picks or the development of those picks. Can anyone really argue that the Knicks wouldn’t be in better shape waiting for 2010 FAs with Brook Lopez & Brandon Jennings as opposed to Gallo, J-Hill & TD ? Lopez & Jennings are guys we passed up (and will be solid possible all stars in their positions for the next 10 years) for who we took instead … guys who’s positions are duplicated by many of the wing/forward types in the 2010 FA crop. So that’s a big part of the frustration when we see guys that could be developing in orange & blue flourishing on other squadswhile we WAIT!
Also, it’s great that TD is getting a chance to show his worth, but would that really be happening if N8 didn’t get hurt? So I don’t give D’Ant that much credit for running him … JJ & Lee will probably have to go down (not wishing this) in order for J-Hill to get some real burn opportunities.
I’ll go ahead an wish it for you, I wish Lee would go down.
C’mon HaS, you’re better than that … don’t wish for anyone to go down with an injury … WISH for a coach who knows when to SIT people down who aren’t doing the job!
LOL! How do you know I’m better than that? I don’t want to see him have a career threatening injury, but people have wished injuries on Jeffries and Curry and those are guys that need to play to be traded!
Lee has become something of an eye sore for me. The Knicks probably won’t be able to trade him because teams aren’t sure if he’ll re-sign and why trade for him now when they can get him for nothing once the season is over?
bockersORbriefs……Very well put and I could not agree with you more!! It is one of a few point I was trying to make. While other take shots at me for using youtube to scout as a fan the best I can they deny the fact that the man who is in charge of drafting for our team has blown it 2 years in a row! Guess it is easier to take shots at me then to admit there guy screwed up and failed in a key aspect of his job which is scouting and bring in the best talent available with our draft picks!! Bayless, Jennings,Lopez, Eric Gordon,augustin,hibbert, just to name a few guys we missed on!
Never the less I want the best for our team and not taking a chance on huge upside just to take what is viewed as a safe pick is not the way to go when we want the the top guys in 2010 to see us as go getters willing to take a chance to get to the promise land. That being said I want Hill to get run!! how can the guy get better on the bench if Thabeet can get run so can Hill!! let the man play!!!!
So you’d trade Gallinari for Hibbert because he had a good game… against David Lee?????????????
LOL
No not 1 good game against Lee because he is way better in his second year and is a legit center 7’2 12pts,10boards,2blocks a game and only getting better! once again a spot where even trading down would of paid of better then staying put and taking what we took.
blackwood, caught you. You are complaining about how Hill is on the bench and now you want Hibbert. Check out Hibberts rookie year stats. Look at his first month.
November 2008- 10.8 mpg , 3.8 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 2.4 to’s pg
Good thing you weren’t a pacers fan last year or you would have been venting about how the pacers really made a mistake by drafting him.
Hill isn’t getting 10 mins a game.
LOL nice try but yes I would of taken him over Gallo who was an 18 year old with a bad back who did not play at all! Good try do I like to be kept on my toes keep it coming lol.
Oh yea and I forgot Hibbert is a legit center which is a NEED!
He is not a need for this team. The Knicks dont need a lumbering 7’1 big. We need an athletic 5 who can keep up with the pace of the game.
This system demands athleticism or a shooting touch. You have to look at the way the team wants to play and then fit the pieces of the puzzle together. You cant just say “oh we need a center Roy Hibbert” and “hey we need a point guard DJ Augustine”. Thats how you end up with Eddy Curry and Jamal Crawford.
I’m sure Isaiah started that offseason saying “OK I need a legit center and a guard who can score 20 ppg. HMMMM…”
Yea and as long as our 1,2,3 can play good defense we don’t need a Great Shot Blocker, Just Someone willing to contest it.
i still would take gallo over gordan
Bayless, augustine, and hibbert?
Isn’t drafting Jordan Hill taking a chance on huge upside?
The safe picks would have been someone like Eric Gordon and Ty Lawson.
I don’t think Gallo and Hill were safe picks. Especially Gallo because noone over here knew anything about him and if Gallo would have been a bust Donnie would have absolutely gotten blasted(I guess he is by some anyway even though Gallo looks promising)
Yes Bayless, Augustine and Hibbert Because they all play spots of vital need! While Hill is a Guy that plays at a spot that is not a NEED at the moment 2 of the 3 are starters and Bayless is trapped behind Roy & now Miller. Would you really not rather see Gordon on the Knicks right now? A guy that would help push the rock & attack the basket and get to the line!?! not just run to the corner and wait to take a 3pointer because his coach just told him he is the best shooter to ever live lmaoooo. Lets be honest I would rather see Gordon or Lopez with Jennings along with Al and Lee & chandler wouldn’t you?
All right, i haven’t made a comment in here for a few months now, but I need to intervene on the whole brandon jennings/jordan hill argument. Besides the fact that Hill has gotten little minutes over 10 games and BJ is starting over Luke Ridnour b/c it is Luke Ridnour; the knicks past on BJ along with the other top ten teams because of his demeanor and attitude. Everybody saw (still sees) him as the next stephon marbury. Right now he’s a humble rookie; but wait until he becomes top 10 in the league. Will he be really good? Yes. But to GM’s it’s not worth taking a guy who will demoralize the whole locker room once his signs a huge contract. The fact is that his oversized ego hasn’t kicked yet in. On the other hand, Jordan Hill has tons of upside/potential, but he needs time to develop it. In my opinion, he’s a poor man’s chris bosh, but that would be fine for this team. He has a jumper and a good post game; just needs time to develop. In my opionion, he’ll be a 15-18 ppg and 8-10 rpg type player. Maybe never elite, but solid never the less. His has the right attitude as well.
PASSED
lol wow so Jennings is a locker room cancer or will be because he did a few knuckle headed but minor things?? Jennings already is at 20 a night with 6dimes average but sucks and will just be ok but you project Hill to be a 18-10 baby Bosh based on him being quite and because you like him!! oh and he has a cool little jump shot in school lol you have to be pulling my leg!! lmaooo you guys are hilarious!!!
By the way if your Lebron a free agent and the knicks come knocking and they say hey look we got the money and we have Hill a good guy who we think could end up being kinda like Bosh we hope, he just needs time we think. Or hey Lebron here is the money and look we have a PG Who is putting up stud numbers out of the gate and can only get better for you to play with. Which would you rather hear!?! You cant say we are going to save this money for Lebron or whoever and not roll the dice on upgrading right freaking now the best you can to offer the best team you can asap along with the money!!
Who do you think Lebron or Wade or whoever wants to play with right now Jennings or Hill??? I cant wait to hear what to hear what out of the world excuses or how the validity of this is deflected by some of you on the other side of this!! lol
Can you read? I said jennings will be a top ten pg in the league, but he’ll carry his ego with him.
“Everybody saw (still sees) him as the next stephon marbury.”
Who are these people? Everyone from teammates and coaches have come out and said he listens, works hard and is coachable. If he weren’t trust me he would be under Skiles’ doghouse.
“But to GM’s it’s not worth taking a guy who will demoralize the whole locker room once his signs a huge contract. The fact is that his oversized ego hasn’t kicked yet in.”
You’ve been to the future!! Hey man can you give me next weeks Mega Millions Lottery numbers?
” [Hill] has the right attitude as well.”
Laughing it up after a blowout loss that you didn’t even get to play is not the attitude I want from my player.
HaS….Glad to see at least one other person can see the facts here!! Jennings is a beast and our GM blew it!! trying to smear him is corny and pointless!!
What did you want Donnie to go by? When the knicks went overseas to see him play and he didn’t show up? Is that what you wanted the knicks to draft him upon. Or the tape from Europe where he wasn’t very productive?
Hey you should have told Donnie to watch the you tube clips you saw that showed his great court vision. Maybe if you would have given Donnie a link to those you tube clips we would have Jennings right now.
Its not as though the knicks passed on a sure thing. Get over it. We have Gallo and Hill and thats it. There is no sense complaining all year that we don’t have Jennings and Gordan/Lopez. When are you going to accept that we have Hill?
Your right I should have because we would be way better off!! lol My issue is not with Hill its with the GM blowing it!! I hope Hill becomes great but this is the Knicks not the social security office for old azz Walsh lol
Draft picks are a crap shoot. There are very few sure things. Knicks are just one of 9 teams who passed on Jennings. He was an unproven PG who was not overly impressive in the combine and workouts, at least not compared to other PGs.
When it comes down to it, both Jennings and Hill were prospects who were slipping. Young, promising 4/5′s are much more expensive and scarce than PG’s and smarter on the 2010 cap. Where Walsh really stumbled was in failing to acquire either Rubio, Flynn or Lawson from Kahn, not necessarily picking Hill over Jennings.
I can agree with some of that circlelimit4 but not with it being harder to find a real good 4 then it is a real good PG. how many really good to great PF are there? now compare that to really good to great PG in the NBA and you will see that a PG is always to go if your going to roll the dice in my view. But your right if he would of got the job done and got Rubio or Flynn this would be a none issue.
Hill would probably play the 5 in D’antoni’s system not a 4. 4s and 5 are more expensive because talent becomes exponentially scarce as the talent pool gets taller.
You’re also acting like you knew that jennings would have this good of a start. You’re also acting like his career will take off after 6 games. I also love how you blame donnie left and right, but we got a steal in toney douglas; which you won’t mention.
I am acting like not you or I or anyone would of taken Douglas over Jennings!! he is a nice player and good job getting him Donnie you could of got him anyway as well as Jennings if you liked!!! Once again I ask if you guys where Lebron would you rather play with Hill & or Douglas or would you rather play with Jennings!?! I have not seen anyone going against my view answer that….As far as me knowing Jennings this good of a start no I did not because I am shocked he can be that dang good with a starting 5 thats worse then ours!!!! Jennings could of been a first rd pick since high school every GM new about him and his name was the buzz word for a long while! Guys come on!!! Go take a peek at the Bucks starting 5 then look at his numbers and you tell me your happy with the pick of Hill over Jennings!!
They act like it was a No Brainer. Everyone On Draft Day And I ean EVERYONE had no clue who to pick when Stephen Curry, Jonny Flynn and Rubio were off the board.
Jennings showed Donnie nothing except one good one on one and Hill had showed Donnie a lot.
That was the No Brainer.
ITZYUNG1….Lets just say for the sake of of this discussion I agree with you on the Hill draft (which I dont) can you say the same thing about the Gallo draft? It was once again a spot where a spot of NEED was not filled when it could have been. Bottom line as THE OAK proved I did better scouting the talent on youtube then this old millionaire did with the whole Knicks org behind him!! So my point once again is that Walsh blew it in the last to drafts by not rolling the dice on high risk/reward guys in positions of NEED to entice what the alleged goal is and that is the 2010 end game! I ask everyone again if you where Lebron would you rather be playing with Lopez or Gorden & Jennings or Gallo & Hill??
Gallo had shown up to multiple workouts plus the years in the Euroleague.
BJ shown at one and was straight out of High School.
Plus that one bad year in the Euro League of course.
Face It nobody wanted BJ draft night but Months later they act like it was a no Brainer.
Yeah, you’re right. So the GM’s who were annoyed when they went overseas and he never showed up weren’t concerned with who he was as a player. The fact that he didn’t go to college because he didn’t want to go to class and claimed that he just wanted the experience overseas doesn’t say anything about him. And the fact that he showed up late to the draft so he could go up to the podium says nothing about his ego at all.
This was intended for HaS
First of all, I’m not in his head and it is pure speculation on your part that “he didn’t go to college because he didn’t want to go to class” the fact of the matter is the rules changed and didn’t allow players to go straight to the NBA from High School anymore. I’m not going to throw a player under the bus for not going to college because it has no bering on how good/great of a player he will be. Kobe, Garnett, Amar’e and LeBron all skipped college and I don’t assume they’re bad people. If any of those players “didn’t want to go to class” hey that was their option. I’m not comparing Jennings to any of those all-stars/superstar players, but just making a point that talent is talent the Knicks don’t need chemical engineers they need basketball players, specifically a point guard. If BJ happens to challenge for or win ROY then he can be mentioned with those guys.
Derrick Rose cheated on his SATs to get into Memphis, but guess what I’d rather have Rose on this team than anyone on it now. Players that normally would have gone straight to the NBA are now being to be forced to go to school for the one year. Now playing overseas is another route players may take because of Jennings’ trailblazing decision.
“So the GM’s who were annoyed when they went overseas and he never showed up weren’t concerned with who he was as a player.”
They didn’t go there strictly to see him and in his defense, the kid was homesick and knew he had the draft combines/workouts to prepare for where he’d be playing against his peers, so he felt they would see him against his own draft class. Not exactly the same as him just blowing off a private workout in europe as its been portrayed by some posters.
As far as this statement: “the fact that he showed up late to the draft so he could go up to the podium says nothing about his ego at all”
What does that mean? Being drafted in the NBA lottery is a dream come true! If I were anywhere near the area during the draft and they called my name I’d get there anyway I could and even if it meant coming out before the 60th pick (last pick in the draft) to walk across that stage I’d come late too. I hardly think that was a sign of his ego, but more like wanting to experience his childhood dream to the fullest.
Also, imho I think to be successful in the NY spotlight and the fishbowl that the media capital of the US puts you in, you have to have an ego. It can’t be bigger than the team, but a player has to have an unshakeable confidence in his game and himself.
All I’m saying is the Knicks need a point guard, they didn’t get one in free agency, they passed on a possible ROY and pure point guard with the ability to score. There is no reason to try to discredit what Jennings has done in the early stages of his rookie campaign to justify a pick. Let Hill’s game (if he ever gets in one) justify his being picked ahead of Jennings.To dismiss what Gordon, Lopez and Jennings have done simply to support your argument is just plain ignorant and stubborn.
Granted, I understand the feeling of well “they’re not here now so let’s move on” but that is totally different than saying a 20 yr old kid is a nutcase and “locker room cancer” as if you have some sort of clairvoyance is wrong.
One thing needs to be said about Duhon. Yes, he is not pushing the ball as much as we would like. But Duhon pushing the ball is useless unless the rest of the team is running down to court with him.
It’s not like Duhon is slowing his dribble while Chandler cuts to the basket or while Lee is under the basket. No one is moving, no one is cutting, no one is sprinting. When there is someone running down the court with Duhon, I’m sure he’s more likely to go into the next gear. If there is no teammates in front of him, he is going to slow it down because he’s shooting 23% and doesn’t really have the moves to take someone one on one.
Pretty much, this team needs to run more. Yes, Duhon has something to do with it, but everyone else has to get down too. This team should be thriving on fast break points and we’re getting hardly any.
So why in your opinion aren’t they?
I mean, there are bunch of little things I could throw out but the real answer is that I don’t know. D’Antoni doesn’t know either, and if he did the team wouldn’t 1-8. He seems completely confused post-game.
I don’t think D’Antoni prepared the team well enough for the season. Last year within those first 15-20 games we were pushing the pace, moving all over the place, setting picks, and finding the open man. Eventually, with the injuries and trades, we got demoralized and became the team you see today.
This year, we never even began to play the right way. Nate has been out and he’s probably our best guy to start the break, he creates a lot of steals on the perimeter and has premiere speed. Chandler has lost a step, possibly due to recovering from injury, and isn’t in the lanes or sprinting back and forth as much. Then there is Gallo who’s slow and Big Al and Lee who, in contract years, seem content to coast on reputation and not hustle back.
There is no leadership on the team, and the coach doesn’t seem to really care. If no one is holding the players accountable, then they are not gonna play harder. Someone needs to say hey, we’re not winning because our guys aren’t playing their hardest. Someone has to challenge them. Everyone is just making excuses.
What in your opinion gets the coach fired this year? Or if they go 1-81 do they still say the plan is 2010?
I said this once before, I think the problem with the coaching is D’Antoni knows he’ll be here if they go 1-81. I dont even think a discussion takes place, I think the Knicks braintrust know that the plan is to win in 2010 and D’Antoni was hired to coach the 2010 New York Knicks. Yes, the Knicks should be winning more games, but the front office has made it clear that we are not winning this year.
As embarassing as it is to watch, it would be unfair to fire D’Antoni this year when the roster was built to suck this year. He was hired to be the face of 2010 offseason, attract FAs and coach a fast break team. This team wasn’t built for him this year.
I mean, if he got fired he could say “hey, I was over .500 before you traded by two best players away for nothing”…but it will never come to that. He is not expected to do anything this year and you can’t fire him and then hope to find a coach anywhere near as likable for a FA next year. We have no players that Lebron or Wade or Amare would want to play with, but at least they all love D’Antoni. Who do you get to replace that? Van Gundy?
lmaoooo 2010 makes all failures and flops from the GM down ok lol
I hate the fact that everything is based on 2010 but thats what it is and the fans were overwhelmingly supportive of this decision one year ago when we traded away our two best players.
This is what we signed up for. There was no possible way we were going to be good this year after those two trades netted us 0 tradeable assets. If we drafted Brandon Jennings, are we that much better than the Bucks? We’d still suck. If we signed Ramon Sessions, are we that much better than the T-Wolves? We’d still suck.
Firing D’antoni would be very shortsighted. His rotation has been frustratingly short and he’s failing to create any lockerroom moral, but he’s also got a terrible roster with devoid of any ounce of leadership. His hands are pretty much tied. It’s not like handing the reigns over to Herb Williams will net any wins anyway.
If he says “we just didn’t make shots” after letting the other team shoot 60% one more time, I’m going to put a hit out on him.
Yeah Coach, we see he is your point guard and you have blown at least two games by playing him over 35 plus minutes without a basket. I mean, not one single hoop. He does not even shoot now, he’s so scared. Jordan Hill lights it up and you yank him? It almost looks like he is throwing games the coaching is so bad. I have never seen such loyality to a player who can’t hit a hoop in a week of games with Duhan, but you had to put him in the fourth quarter again.
There is your history coach, Duhon.
Everyone else, one or two mistakes and the whole backcourt changes, yet Hughes is in the top three in steals (still fast at 30 and 12 years in the league in covering the passing lanes), but you still don’t use him right. STOP PLAYING HIM.
Play your top scoring players for 30 minutes and you will win one coach.
Keep this rotation going, Walsh and you will be gone. Lebron, no way he will take this cast over what he has in Cleveland. You had a team with one more win then us and you blew it at the garden, WOW.
Let’s see :
19 year old Brandon Jennings (Lottomatica Roma) :
5.5 points per, 37.7 fg%, 1.6 rebounds per, 2.3 assists per, 1.5 turnovers per.
19 year old Danilo Gallinari (Armani Jeans Milano) :
17.5 points per, 46.2 fg%, 5.7 rebounds per, 1.3 assists per, 1.8 turnovers per.
So Jennings was can’t miss prospect and Gallinari wasn’t blackwood? The Knicks should have picked Jennings – I understand that – but you can’t tell me with a straight face that Jennings was a can’t miss prospect and Gallinari wasn’t.
You can’t discount the fact that Galinari was playing in his homeland fully fluent in the language and had already played professionally for 4 years by the time he was 19.
Jennings was fresh out of High School, in a foreign country playing with grown men for the 1st time and playing nearly half the minutes (he averaged 19 a game, I believe and next to none early) Danilo was playing (34 mins a game if I’m not mistaken) at that age.
He’s handled himself maturely and like a seasoned pro according to everyone who has come into contact with him since he showed up for work. Everyone has raved about his speed, ability to score, court vision and ability to create easy shots for others. The Knicks could sure use something like that couldn’t they? They will next year too, but what a shame they don’t have a draft pick.
Listen, I understand if you don’t want to look backwards or are of the thinking “well it’s too late now, no sense in stressing about it”, but there is no need to try to discredit or dismiss Jennings as a high level prospect (some believed he could have gone in the 1st round right out of High School if they hadn’t changed the rules) or that he is true talent.
No one is saying he was a “can’t miss prospect” (who is?), but he was definitely a prospect.
First, this was reply to blackwood’s comments about Jennings and Gallinari.
I did not discredit Jennings. The Knicks should have drafted him, DW’s selection might haunt the Knicks. I understand that.
But I don’t like double-standards.
If Jennings was a can’t-miss prospect from his POV, then Gallinari was a can’t-miss prospect as well. Period.