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I have a lot of respect for Donnie Walsh, his plan is awesome.

But we have a ridiculous logjam at the 3/4 spot, he’ll have to make something happen one day or another (either Lee or Chandler has to be traded).

I can def see that…

Maybe Curry comes back and works himself into a useful, tradeable commodity.
One can only hope!

…. trading away or waiving seven of the twelve players Isiah left him within his first eleven months on the job

Lets Look at that…

He traded Balkman for a second round pick — sold low.. Big mistake.

The coach ran Marbury out of town due to a lack of communication between the coach and GM

Jerome James? Dude never played and was chronically hurt. I would have bough him out and sent him home. Once he blew out his achilles he was an insurance issue.

Malik Rose.. for Chris Wilcox? what ever..

Randolph Morris — I think he was cut?

Fred Jones? Cut too.

Mardy Collins — shipped to LAC with Zach.

Jamal and Zach.. geat job!! what have you done for me lately?

Will didnt mention that IT players are STILL occupying over 50% of the minutes on a nightly basis.

Im not an IT apologist.. just looking at the facts.. the first line is right.. At some point this becomes Walsh’s mess.

Gotta move the fat man at the 5 for sure . And although I agree with the sentiment this seems more and more like Donnie’s propagandist arm. yeesh.

I agree we do have a chance at LeBron & he should be commended on that.
However, the all or nothing approach could lead this team deeper into the dark ages if this blows up in our face.

FYI – Acie Law has a team option for after this season that Donnie would not need to p-up

and I forgot Q Rich for Darko.. jury still out.. both expiring.. Coach wont play Darko so no way to tell what’s up with that.

In 2011 “crawling out of the salary-cap grave” would have happened autonomously. Walsh didn’t turn water into wine or walk on water just yet. Being in a position to recruit James is nice, but the other moves made in the draft have arguably have made the team look less than genius.

I could deal with the Galinari pick, no one could predict an injury of that magnitude. He’s a good player and once he is playing with a great player he will look even better. He needs to be a 2nd or maybe even a 3rd option (if he gets stronger and can make the move to PF he could be the perfect 2nd option), then you have a great championship caliber team.

Gordon would have been a nice pickup if only because he could get his own shot and create opportunities for others. Brandon Jennings would have been the right pick for multiple reasons.

1) The Knicks need a point guard.

2) The team needed to show improvement and having a player who could make his teammates better or at the very least attract some attention so that other players (Galinari and Chandler) could flourish.

3) BJ was one of the fastest kids in the draft and would have been perfect for an uptempo fastbreak offense.

4) They needed someone who at the end of games could get their own shot or find other people for easy buckets.

5) The Knicks needed a point guard.

All that said, it’s too late to turn back now. Everyone is on board for 2010, I’m just not going to pretend there were no mistakes made along the way. No GM is perfect, but they should have a better grasp of what’s good for the team than the fans. With all the holes he failed to fill through the draft/offseason even if LeBron does come to the Knicks as presently constituted they would be no better than a middle of the pack playoff team.

There’s still a lot of work to be done.

No one is saying he isn’t

but this isn’t about 2011 so that is moot.

balkman for a 2nd rounder isn’t underselling.

the guy didn’t even dress in the playoffs last year Big.

How did Walsh sell low on Balkman? Balkman was and is pretty terrible. A high energy guy who continuously looks lost on D. He gets blocks but 80% of the time is out of position.

I agree with everything else including the congrats to Walsh on the Crawford/Zach moves. But, as impossible as their contracts were to move (supposedly) they have been traded since. Hmmmm.

The pg point Has makes is important. Its the most critical position by far in D’antoni’s system. Yet in two consecutive lottery picks the knicks passed up on potential franchise PGs. And I know they got duhon last year but you cant tell me they thought he was the future.
So what is the plan or point going forward? I honeslty think they don’t have one. Instead they have 4 power forwards.

Best part of this article was his description of Gallo. I’ve read people here say they would not trade Gallo for Chris Paul . . . what!?! Gallo looks slow and can’t get by NBA defenders. That has nothing to do with being a rookie.

And by the way, D’Antoni is running plays for Gallo, catch and shoots at the top of the key and he is trying to set him up for the corner three like the Kings and Celtics did with Eddie House but the Knicks have no one to break down the D so teams are face guarding him (essentially).

I don’t understand the Dirk comparisions at all (sorry Tommy D). He plays nothing like Dirk. Kid does have a sweet shot though. If he was playing with someone who could break down a defense (man Duhon stinks) Gallo really could be Peja 2.0 with a better passing ability. He plays D like Peja too (not a good thing). Kid can’t defend a back door pass to save his life. Nice help defense the other night for a rare Knicks block last game though.

**for point, not or point

Pretty terrible?

Balkman gets 15 minutes per of burn on a playoff team. He earned a three year contract extension from the Nugs./ For not a lot of money either.

I remember him as a defensive whirling dervish who was lost in a half court offense . Could use something like that right about now.

The dude smokes weed.. so we need to run him out of town for a piddling second rounder for that?

Yeah Gallinari could be a beast on a great team.

haha unfortunately the knicks are the antithesis of great

Trading two 20ppg players for expirings is NOT a monumental achievement. It was the right thing to do, absolutely, but a lot of people (including Walsh) still seem to think acquiering 2010 talent is only about cap space.

It is about the whole product. Right now the Knicks have one of the worst talent pools in the whole league and no first round pick in next years stacked draft. Walsh knew this, so why not be more aggressive in 2009?

- Trade up and get your man (who cares about Chandler?),

- Buy a couple of first round picks and get yourself some talent on rookie contracts – lord knows you’re going to need them when in 2010 the capspace wears thin and you still need to sign people to fill out the roster

- Draft somebody who can contribute NOW and make your team better imediately ( how about a point guard?)

- Tell your coach to stop screwing up the rotation and play the young guns, make the guys better that are going to stick around. If the vets don’t like it cut them lose and replace them with some Landry type players who are dying to make an impact.

- Stop losing your best players for nothing!
Replacing Crawford and Randolph with valuable expirings was alright, although maybe a second or late first rounder could have been had. Maybe. But at some point you have to acquiere some assets when you give up your best players. Again we are set to lose David Lee and Nate Robinson for nothing, since they are BYP and therefor highly unlikely to be traded.

Since Isiah gave away so many draft picks that it’s impossible for the Knicks to re-built naturally, planing for 2010 was the right choice. But I don’t think the whole thing has been handled the right way all the way.

Now now Tommy..fact check..

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/balkmre01.html

Balkman got in 8 playoff games for 20 minutes..
More than we can say for Donnie’s crew.

Karl Shortened the rotation in the playoffs and gave minutes to Kleza who is no longer there.

You cant deny that Balkman is a rotation player on an elite team. And he earned a three year contract extension.

I thought trading Balkman was a big mistake when it went down and still think that. Donnie traded him and the cash to pay him for two players he cut immediately and a second round pick.

I don’t trade Gallinari for Paul now if we can’t trade Curry or Jeffries.

It’s useless to get Paul if you don’t have enough capspace to sign LeBron James… and a single dollar could compromise the whole plan with Paul on the roster.

I’d rather ask James if he’s willing to sign here IF we can make a move for Paul during the summer.

Travis Outlaw is injuried.

Wilson Chandler for Jerryd Bayless??

LOL..fair enough big

7 games for a TOTAL of 3 minutes.

4 points in 7 games.

i’ll give u that….

but, you wanted Balkman playing at the expense of gallo or chandler?

I couldn’t care less about Balkman.

THAT is the key question and one that there is no defense for.

and i’ve heard it a million times. THAT”s the question Donnie needs to answer.

I admit i didn’t want to trade chandler to move up in this years draft, and i will also admit i was wrong. Looking Back I would trade Chandler and the 8 for the 5 and get Rubio. This team needs a floor general

Is there enough room here to explain what’s going on with the Knicks?

What is happening does not matter. Most ALL of these players will not be here next year.

What bothers me is that the coach has not be able to get the most out of them.

Jennings might turn out to be a super star like AI, who does not have a championship. 6’1″ players scoring 50 points does not win one. So yes Jennings might be all that but I’d say we missed if he were 7’1″. Yes we missed on Lopez last year but not Jennings.

If we ever do win a championship D’ant will be long gone. Isiah put us back 10 years. By the time we get into the fray players like Lee will be at the end of their careers. Probably playing on a winning team and being successful, with all his shortcomings not Pat Shorcummings, he still is our best player and a stand-up guy. To play him at center is an amazingly bad coaching decision. When I saw D’ant start JJ I almost wet my pants in laughter.

D’ant is a good coach not a great one. I really think people do not realize how much damage Isiah did to this franchise. It’s much worse than people could imagine.

Reality Check: The Hornets can get better offers for Chris Paul from nearly every team in the NBA. Gallo included or not.

But the Nuggets have no bench this year and JR Smith was suspended for the first few games of the season. Balkman should actually be getting more than 15 min of burn with Kleiza and Jones gone and Smith out.

From what I remember Balkman was lost on offense and defense. R. Wallace smokes weed and I would take him on this team in half a second. Same with Beasley.

yeaaa, but Lebrons a maybe. And trading for Paul makes him the knicks property.And if they got Paul that would mean they’d still have about 10 million to play around with. So the question then becomes would you rather Lebron on his own or CP3 and someone like Rudy Gay?

I understand your hesitance but free agents are merely hypotheticals, I think if you can GUARANTEE yourself a top 3 player in all the league ya do it

Lets all get along and focus our hatred on Dolan. Hes the one who let Isiah run wild. He realized Isiah was incompetent about 3 years after every fan did. And it was HIS money being thrown around, just let that marinate for a minute. How out of his mind is this guy?

I always speculated that Isiah had some dirt on this guy to keep his job for so long, (or maybe they were a couple), but perhaps he was equally as stupid as isiah

Lol. Mucha if you have chance to get Chris Paul you have to do it irregardless of Lebron. Paul is the best PG in the NBA and a Top 5 player in the league. Have you seen Paul play?

Do I think the Knicks have the assets to pull off such a trade. Absolutely not. But if the Hornets wanted Gallo and any two players on the Knicks roster Walsh should personally fly them to the aiport and buy the Hornets GM dinner for the next two years.

Ever heard of Isiah Thomas?

Every Knick fan hates Dolan, but you can’t fire an owner so you do the next best thing which is to hold management responsible.

Ive never been a big Wilson Chandler Fan.

you conveniently left out the 10:44 he got in the NoLa win when he grabbed three boards and two steals with 4 points (2 of 2) and a dime.

The dude has a skill set that this current squad could have used — deenisve tenacity. He “wants to” play Defense and does the little things.

And you cant dismiss the WHOLE season when he averaged 15 minutes per on a playoff team in the West.

15 per was last year.. The dude earned a three year extension with Denver.

Im just saying he could have had a role here.. He plays big time D and does the little things and Donnie shipped him off for nothing after a few summer league games and he is now a rotation player on a playoff team.

i thought the response was who is Cleveland’s point guard.

Ie been banging my head on the PG question for 6 months.

Hold management responsible? Management as in Donnie Walsh? Walsh has given MD players like Millic, Doug, Hill and Landry so he could try to Improve the club. These guys aren’t amazing, but wouldn’t it be wise for MD to play these guys and see where they stand in terms of seeing how they mesh with the veterans before trading any of those veterans off to another team? Maybe adding these players to the rotation could jump start the Knicks. So now who is the problem, management or MD? Exactly, Mike D’Antoni.

I understand your enthusiasm but…

Imagine, you trade all your best young players, you don’t have a first round draft pick and for some reason you don’t have enough capspace to offer a max contract (Dwyane Wade, LeBron James etc).

You’re left with Chris Paul, Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries.

Great.

How could the Knicks get past the 1st/2nd round of the playoffs (a la Hornets) from that perspective?

What? No never heard of him…Duh….didn’t I say he set back the franchise 10 years…….what is wrong with these computer people.

*Paul, Jeffries, Curry and a $13 million to offer

As far as dumping salary I think that Donnie Walsh did an excellent job. I’m not really pleased with the draft picks though. No one knows how good Jordan Hill will be and Toney Douglas looks like a decent defender and scorer. The problem I have is that Im not sure if D’antoni and Walsh are on the same page as far as picks. D’antoni’s running style needs a point guard and forget about Brandon Jennings, what about Ty Lawson. As good as Tony Douglas has played he’s not a point guard. Duhon has had a horrific start to the season. C’mon who’s shooting 22% from the field and 21% from three. All the experts are saying this team isnt giving much effort. I see them as giving effort but not playing smart. Way too many 3 pt attempts(especially when they are not going in) Chandler has regressed. Nate has only played 4 games. I blame this ugly start on D’antoni. Forget about the D. We know thats not a strongpoint of D’antoni or members of this team but what happened to the Offense. The Knicks are averaging under 100 points. That’s not Donnie’ s fault

Jennings had one great game……against a poor defensive team.

Let’s see him do it for a few years in the NBA before we anoint this kid the second coming. He could be a flash in the pan or the real thing or somewhere in-between. Give him a few years.

People are too fast to jump on bandwagons, time will tell everything.

Jamal Crawford also had a game like that……and Jennings reminds me of a smaller version. He has a lot of work to do to learn how to be a PG in the NBA. Work either Jamal could not grasp or refused to do just like Nate is unable making them rotational players at best.

You don’t luck your way into scoring 55 pts. That is NO flash in the pan. That is pure domination brother, rookies just don’t do that.

You’re right but I’d try to keep Gallinari or a young player (Hill or Chandler) to dump Jeffries.

I hate to butt in but you have to look at what Boston did if anyone is willing to trade their young players for one all-star…. I would personally take Paul in a second only if the hornets are willing to take either jj or curry, and I would add an expiring contract like mobley to sweeten the deal.

Boston traded away alot of there future for the now, but to get Paul and still have room for a James or Gay or even Johnson would give us players that are NOW but still has youth for the future

I’ll be mad if Hansbrough (one of the most underrated players from the lottery IMO) gets more minutes than Jordan Hill.

Very good points, mbigg, but Jennings and Lawson are not that much different from Doug in terms of playing the point. Others here keep on saying he’s not a point. How? all the guy did before his breakout game against the Bucks in Milwaukee was dish the ball, not finding his own shot. Now that his shot is falling, he’s not a pg? But BJ would’ve been a good pick for Knicks at pg because he scored 55?

Everyone keeps on saying Doug needs to pass off the dribble. He’s shown off the ball passing since SL. How is he not a point when he passes the ball more than Jennings and has the same amount of passes as Lawson? Am I the only who sees this guy keeping his dribble, keeping his head up when he’s double teamed? Is he turning the ball over when is dumps the ball in the paint? No. So how is not a pg, but Lawson and Bj are real pgs? Maybe Lawson, but not Jennings.

What’s the real difference between Doug and Lawson? The only difference I can see is that on any given night Doug can score more than Lawson, but besides that their game is almost the same. Doug has shown more passing instincts than any of three but he’s not a pg?

So D.William, Paul and Parker score over 25, but they’re considered pgs….why is that? Because of fancy passes? Give Tone some time for the pick and roll and he will execute it, but how often does he get the opportunity?

That was in response to your 6ft players not winning championships as the lead guy.

It’s 11/16/09, and with 227 days until 7/1/2010, I still am concluding that no high level FA will sign with a 60-70 lost team that haven’t begun it’s 3-5 year plan back to respectability-”The 8th seed/30+ wins!

I meant by giving the hornets some young players also

*maybe Lawson, but not Jennings.

Yeah but even if Jeffries/Curry can’t be shed and we can’t sign a max FA in 2010, your worst case scenario is you have Paul, and Gallo or Chandler (we’d probably give away 3 of our 4 young guys), and then 2011 you have a first rounder again and HUGE cap space with Paul already on contract.

That’s not completely true. A high level FA will sign with a knicks, if they were to lose that many games. Guys like Bosh, Amare, Dirk(let’s just say, I know you’re not entertained to hear his name) wouldn’t go to the Knicks? C’mon this is the garden, not the Indiana Pacers or Grizzles. The team chemistry or coaches are bad, not all the players. So what if Duhon, Chandler, Hughes, JJ were to go and we got Joe and Amare and two or three solid role players to go with Al, Lee, the young guys and Eddy and they played well? Remember, only four guys left and that changed the chemistry of the players. So the players on the roster now isn’t going to deter FA agents from signing here. The problem that I’ve been saying about the Knicks is chemistry. Period. And until MD establishes that and make better adjustments with his “rotation” they will play poorly.

There you go again, Tommy, getting hysterical–using words like Monumental. When DW traded Zach and J Craw, the team was a respectable 6-5. Immediately after the trade, the team sunk. Players like Zach and Craw always have trade value and I say Walsh could have held out, see about winning as many games as possible, then trade them in the summer of ’09, or even later.

That way, you stop the ‘culture of losing’ that started in the Layden era and was put in spades with Zeke. Then as important as the drafts are because of the culture of losing, you damn sure do everything you can to make as sure as possible, that you pick the right player. I didn’t agree with Gallo at 6 and definitely think Walsh blew it with Hill at 8.

Then, this summer, you know you need a point guard because Duhon can’t be trusted to run a CYO team, you ignore 2 cheap free agents who would be willing to sign for a year, J Will and J. Tinsley.

No way Bro does Walsh get a pass from me.

Big Daddy, not sure why you’re so down on Jennings who, in 10 NBA games, has done more than Gallo has done in 40+ games…. 6′ 1″ players scoring 50 don’t win championships …. right, neither do 6′ 10″ forwards shooting 3s ! B/T/W BJ3 is still averaging around 5 boards & 5 assists per game to go along with his 25 ppg avg and 49% fg percentage ! Although I don’t expect him to stay at those levels for ppg & field goals, I do expect his assists per game to increase. In other words, I expect him to do what good PGs are expected to do … make teammates better, and take control (either by creating or scoring) when
the need is there. I look forward to your posts about BJ next June when he wins ROY or is a close 2nd (Ty Evans ?) ….

I still am concluding that no way all of the FA during the 2010 Market spur the biggest market, with a highly respected coach with much more money coming off the books the following summer.

Hi Mr. FA. You have a chance to play before the most die-hard fans, in the worlds greatest city that has courts on almost every corner, for a coach that you know from the Olympic days and his great reputation around the league. If you are able to team up with the other very very good player we are bringing in this year, along with the very very good player we will be bringing in next year you will go down in history as helping to turn around this signature franchise.

You think Derick Jeter gets all the models? Just wait until you become the savior of the knicks!

Hi Mr. Walsh, no thank you… I would rather play in New Jersey.

To those who say hindsight is 20/20 I am going to make this statement today: 11/16/2009, that Lance stephenson will be the next young, immature,stigmatized yet highly skilled black kid (other than John Wall) to enter the upcoming 2010 draft, who have future superstar written all on him, that should not be excluded from being drafted by Walsh! “Look at his SKILLS and not his SKIN, put on his SHOES and try to UNDERSTAND that these Cats are 19 and 20 year old kids! To be honest with some of you MEN I find your behavioral comments just as egregious as some of the young men we are so quick to judge or rather MISJUDGE, because Jennings is the real deal, and those who saw him play knew he was the real deal! Thee others saw what they wanted to see and still see what they want to see! “Right Tommy”

New Jersey is moving to Brooklyn! Also you guys are forgetting one very important thing, that LBJ, Wade, and those other guys care more about RINGS than they do about playing in New York, and waiting 3-5 years to win one!!!

You give “Tone” some time, he’s never going to be the creative pure passing point guard Jennings is. He’s shown that ability from the start, all the while being able to score.

Via DraftExpress before the draft about Douglas:

“His stock has risen in recent months, and will be interesting to how his limitations as a distributor (he ranks dead last in amongst all passing metrics amongst draft-eligible PGs) factor in to where he’s selected on draft day.”

About Jennings:

“What separates him from the Aaron Brooks’ and Monta Ellis’ of the world, though are his playmaking instincts. His talent and creativity with the ball were always evident in the games, scrimmages and practices we saw, as he sees the floor and is capable of making incredibly difficult passes look easy, in a way that no point guard in this draft not named Ricky Rubio can. Over the course of our three days in Rome, we saw Jennings make a handful of mind-blowing plays that hint of an incredible future that is in store, particularly in transition or running the pick and roll.”

That last quote was made after comparing Jennings to Brooks and Ellis as 2 incredibly fast and athletic yet small guards who have made a tremendous impact on the league. Brooks had his coming out party against the Lakers in the playoffs last season without the help of Yao or McGrady. He put on a good show defeating the Lakers last night btw.

If those guys were in losing situations I could definitely see them wanting to come to NY and helping turn things around, but all of the guys you mentioned are winning on their respective teams? People, players included, fear the unknown. Why leave a situation where you’re in the playoff mix to go to a team that hasn’t won a playoff game in 11 years (I’m gonna go ahead and add this season’s playoff year, I think we can all agree they’re not getting there now) and has made 2 lottery picks who haven’t had much of an impact on their own team, let alone the league.

Darko once mentioned the word”DEFENSE” and D’antoni overheard him,he dopesnt want the young guys to start asking questions,so he benched DARKO

oh c’mon! no one is saying that jennings is a hall of fame pg,its just that the KNICKS were pretty near desperate for a good PG,and Donnie let the whole summer and draft go by without getting one…PERIOD

THERE is no such word as “IRREGARDLESS” jeeziz christ!!

oh pleeeeese do it! do it in a heart beat…if they made that trade,i would shut up about donie walsh until 2011

No doubt.

Yeah but a mid-first round draft pick (because Paul = 6th or 7th seed) and maybe not a major free-agent signing (2010 is heavier than 2011 talent-wise).

If the Knicks could keep Gallinari and trade Hill, Douglas and Chandler for Paul then I say YES. A HUGE YES.

Why in any universe would th hornets take curry or jeffries for Chris Paul?

Well this all may be nullified if donnie does get rid of jeffries and Curry.

If there is enough room to get 2 superstars, the rest of the team honestly isn’t so important Lebron James with any of Dwyane Wade/Bosh/Joe Johnson is all you need, i could start at center, it wouldnt matter.

But thats a big if

I dont know the kid, whats his game like?

What does taking a quote from draft express prove? “You give “Tone” some time, he’s never going to be creative the creative pure guard Jennings is.”

Really? How do you know that? I bet you knew that 6’0, Chris Paul was going to come in the NBA and do what he’s doing today, right? You don’t what “Tone” would become. I give Jennings all the congrats in the world. He wanted it (playing the league) To me it’s really not that shocking he did what he did by scoring that many points. But it seems like everyone is on that “told you so” ship. Damn, I’m starting to feel like Knicks fans are groupies. From James to Jennings .I really question peoples loyalty. I know that the Knicks aren’t winning, but wow. Our time will come soon and you cheer Kobe and LeBron at the Garden and go gushing over Jeninings like little girls? Knicks fans. Jennings is good, but say he has better passing than Douglas is crazy. I guess that’s how Knick fans react when things aren’t going their way. Right, “HaS”?

I did know Paul was damn good, not great, but good before he was drafted. I must admit I had some inside information and kept an eye on him, because he’s related to a good buddy of mine.

There was never a question that Paul was a point guard coming out of college. That question is still following Toney.

As far as me being a groupie? Who’s the groupie a guy who wants to believe a guy at 24yo trying to learn the point guard position once getting to league is going to be better or as good as a 20 year old that has played point guard at every level and has proven to be a very good passer? Or the guy who is only recognizing a talent that anyone with eyes can see. Coaches, former and current players are all surprised how good this kid is and at his age he is only going to get better. To ignore the obvious simply because he is not on your team or downplay the kid’s ability simply out of being stubborn are the traits of a groupie. I give credit where credit is due.

Secondly, I am not one of those fans who cheered for LeBron or chanted MVP when Kobe comes to the Garden. I don’t care who it is if they are the opponent they are the enemy. It disgusts me to see those “fans” wave signs at Kobe, LeBron and Curry in the Garden. I appreciated Michael Jordan’s game but when he came to town I wanted him to lose terribly.

Not to compare Jennings to Jordan (I’m not delusional) but he was better than John Starks, I loved Starks, but it is what it is. I love Toney’s heart and his defensive intensity, but he is not a point guard… yet. He has the potential to be a good guard, one who keeps his turnovers down and plays great defense against other guards, think Charlie Ward with 10x the speed.

He’s not going to be Derrick Rose and he’s not going to be Brandon Jennings. Period. Jennings is better than Douglas. Period. That doesn’t mean I’m going to cheer for Jennings like a “little girl” either. I enjoy the NBA and the game in general, if all you have is the Knicks then I feel really sorry for you. At least I can enjoy and appreciate other players on other teams when they aren’t facing the Knicks.

“Jennings is good, but say he has better passing than Douglas is crazy.”

That quote is just nuts. Watch the kid play man, watch closely. I’m not even going to argue with you. You can argue with your own eyes if you want. The numbers don’t lie. Do they, DeDouche… I mean “DeBusscherescorner”?

I did know Paul was damn good, not great, but good before he was drafted.

Dude, Paul was a can’t miss…he was GREAT in college.

I didn’t know he would so good so fast. Only because of his size. You can’t measure a kid’s heart though.

I like how you address me, but not this:

“To me it’s really not that shocking he did what he did by scoring that many points.”

When was the last time a kid scored 55 points as a rookie and had a near triple double in his debut before they reached the 1o game mark?

People just can’t give credit where credit is due. The kid is better than Toney Jennings. Period. That’s not saying much, I mean he’s supposed to be, Douglas was not a lottery pick.

I’m done arguing with you guys about it. You guys argue with your own naked eyes all you want.

BJ has his team in overtime against the surprise Mavs.

Toney Douglas, can you tell I wish the Knicks had taken the chance on him? Sigh, I’m dropping it. You guys are haters.

Then don’t argue. Peace out.

Dude, read what I said again. “To me it’s really not that shocking he did what he did by scoring that many points.” First of, I was one to say for the Knicks to draft him if he was availible. I was the one who said he has the attitude to succeed in New York. Hents, that’s why I said it did shock me, because he was confident and he something to prove, so how about reading it again. Did you go to the Jennings scored 55 blog and read my post? Obviously you didn’t.

Toney Douglas lit up the ACC, defeating the Devils, was defensive player of the year and almost player of the year in a tough ACC. with no one on his team. What did Jennings do before everyone heard of him going into the draft? So now the guy scores 55 and Toney now isn’t good. Go ahead! Watch his games. He’s NOT ON YOUR TEAM! Lol.

Who is the groupie? You are the groupie. No one ever said Jenninggs wasn’t nice, maybe you need to read my other posts. And trust me dude I can say whatever I want about “Tone” because I’ve seen him play for four years, so I know he can play. The dude has played a good game so far, not making that many turnovers with the basketball. Maybe you need to get some contacts for yourself. You don’t have to feel sorry me, I’m living my life. I cheer my team, I don’t criticize the rookies like you’ve been doing.

“That’s nuts.” How is that nuts? Did you see the game against the Knicks? Did you see his other game before that against other teams when he was more careless than Toney in other games? Okay, then. IsJeninings nice? Of course. I never said he wasn’t. But say that Toney doesn’t have pg mentality and that because Jeninings is scoring he is a pg is stupid and make you sound like a REAL GROUPIE!

Okay, HaS-shole?