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By now you’ve probably seen what’s going on surrounding Monta Ellis in Golden State (via @ansmith04).
I love Ellis’ skill set. If the Knicks want speed, Ellis is a Ferrari. He claims he’s asked for a leadership role that Don Nelson has frowned on (he said he said) and one thing’s for sure, whether it be Al Harrington, Ellis, Stephen Jackson and yes, even Stephen Curry, Big Nellie is causing big problems out west.
Mike D’Antoni said it today when talking about Allen Iverson. The coach noted that if they’ve stuck to the plan this far, why mess with it now? But judging from what is very obvious, D’Antoni is really struggling.
Which leads me to Ellis. Common sense may suggest that the Warriors can get a better deal elsewhere, but look who they got for S-Jax. A big, slow shooter and a player who probably won’t play one second for them.
Jackson is the goods. Jax is a major favorite, as a person, of Donnie Walsh, the GM said so yesterday while chatting with reporters yesterday.
I understand some think that acquiring Ellis would dip into 2010 funds. But I have a deal that solves that.
So if the offer is Larry Hughes, I’ll pass. That adds $11 million to the cap and puts even more pressure to deal Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries. A Hughes and Wilson Chandler swap for Ellis and Randolph (whom Walsh was and is all about in last year’s draft, but was leery about his frame- that’s for you main man Mucha) changes things, but then Golden State may just close it’s doors.
Would Cuttino Mobley’s expiring and Wilson Chandler entice the Warriors to take back Eddy Curry? In exchange, the Knicks would get back Turiaf ($4 mill per), Ellis and Speedy Claxton’s expiring?
This would save the Warriors a ton of money and give them a 30 minute a night player young player in Chandler.
For the Knicks, and let’s face it, the odds of moving Curry before July 1st are as slim as they hope Curry can eventually be (he’s doing a nice job but realistically can’t ask for much more.)
But, Tommy, this will affect the 2010 cap number right?
Barely.
Ellis and Turiaf combined make 15 million next year…Curry and Chandler? $13.4 a difference of (cue Bob Barker) $1.6 on the books for next year.
The Knicks have to move on this as according to reports in late November, Mobley’s contract officially comes off the books. Which is great, because the Warriors won’t be owed. If this is the case, talk about loopholes and timing. If that isn’t the case, because you need a law and medical degree to figure out Mobley’s situation, Darko works instead.
And the team can still deal Jeffries along with maybe David Lee and Nate Robinson, the remaining contracts for 2010.
Now, taking Curry is a long shot and likes his bigs to be able to shoot (see Vladdy Rads), but a healthy Curry would make sense along side Andris Biedrins.
Dealing Chandler would open up the four spot for Gallinari and Al Harrington.
Makes sense, no? But why would the Warriors help the Knicks you ask? How about helping themselves shave roughly 45 million dollars in salary off their books?
Some may think getting Ellis, who has had some problems but nothing too crazy, may be a risk. But were talking about a player of immense speed who would force the defense to react and who can lock it down on the defensive end. To be fair, I don’t think the roster means much to a major free agent, but this would be a sign that they aren’t accepting the current fate and may make the coach’s nightly mangia-fest go down easier with that glass of red.
I don’t see this as a one-sided situation for the Warriors, who get a better talent in Chandler, this year, then they got from Charlotte for Jax.
And essentially the team is trading Curry’s cap room for the perfect D’Antoni- hot rod guard in Ellis. Obviously, it commits them down the road, which may not be something Walsh is interested in entertaining.
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I’m just not to crazy about trading Eddy in a deal that ADDS to the payroll.
Another question to ask, if Ellis was a UFA this summer would you be willing to spend 11 mil on him?
Maybe yes, maybe no, but you have to ask yourself.
please re-read…adds only 1.6 million for next year….2011 yes.
i get that it only adds a little bit. i feel you. i just don’t know if donnie is willing to add any at all.
11 mil is a close question. imo he’s a little overpaid.
Less than Toney Parker more than Devon Harris.
Which is about right…I think he’s better both ways than Harris.
This would be a great deal for the knicks obviously, But Nelson would have to drink a lot of Scotch to take on Curry. But who knows maybe he comes black and play well
** back
One more thing, I say this is a good trade conceding that no one is giving donnie an expiring deal for Curry. If they did, Id clearly prefer that.
if donnie can do this deal and also pawn off jeffries for expirings, he will still be able to sign 2 max guys this summer, even with ellis. thatd be awesome.
it might be easier if turiaf wasnt included, but that can be done too.
I love the speed that Monte could bring but am weary of his three point shooting ability. I think a point guard in this system needs to be able to nail the three and he’s never been much of a three point shooter.
not when you have Gallinari knocking em down… he can penetrate and kick it right out… he is lightning quick, unguardable. perfect for us.
took a look at this kids career stats … and keeping in mind having watched him at the garden last week heres my thoughts ….
speed and quickness is there
not a good outside shooter, high fg% but seems to be from attacking the basket .. average FTshooter… bad 3 pt shoooter….not a great ass/to ratio..
judging him by what i saw in person is difficult.. he was getting to the rim every other possession … but probably has alot to with out interior D …
this is a tough one … he could thrive in this system and be a 20 and 9 guy..
similar to the Sessions signing with the upside even though he is already a better player than sessions …
the main issue is simply the salary … if it doesnt work out we are screwed..
as where with sessions it was only 5mill-ish …
if we dump eddie i think i would go for it.. would still give up 20+ mill in the summer to land a big fish ..
ELLIS
WADE/LBJ
Galo
or
ELLIS
CHANDLER
GALO
BOSH
is an nice core… but if we cant dump Curry i would lean towards No
please do not compare monta ellis to ramon sessions, that is absurd. ellis is a complete stud. talent wise they dont even compare to one another.
this trade is a NO GO for me unless eddy curry is included. if eddy is there the id do this trade in a heartbeat.
This whole idea of us making a trade for Ellis will never happen because all that we have to offer is crap. If we had something valuable to trade, other than Gallo, then maybe this would work. No team wants our players because they cant even compete enough to beat the Bobcats, or Bucks, or the Hawks after leading the whole game. The Warriors will not give up there best player because Nelson doesnt get along with him. They would much rather get rid of Nelson first than the teams future.
5-11 this year.
parker’s a career 30% 3 shooter
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygvtwwv
This one works to Tommy. B Wright barely plays don’t see why they would oppose the idea.
I like a lineup of
M Ellis
Hughes
Gallo
Hill
Turiaf
don’t get greedy brotha…
Stop it Tommy … you’re getting my hopes up. Swap Ellis and Curry’s salaries next year … if you add Turiaf then you really don’t need to resign DLee … if you can dump Jeffries sometime this year for an expiring you more than make up the $1.6 mil … would this team be more attractive to a big time player next year if Ellis is the starting PG and a bruiser like Turiaf the starting PF?
ellis is under contract for atleast another 3 years and 11 million per with a player option in 2013/2014, however if we can get rid of curry i would do this trade right now.
True … the Knicks were going to be able to sign “just” one max player next year if they couldn’t get rid of Curry this year SOOO would it be acceptable to sign just one max player, and have Ellis at the point instead of Eddy Curry at center?
OK key point here…if they trade mobley before the end of the month then it comes off the books FOR GS and can still be dealt I believe.
meaning this deal gets them chandler AND SAVES THEM $45 million
plus it only adds 1.6 to 2010.
and now you have
Ellis
Gallo
Hill
T-Doug
with the opportunity of still dealing Jeffries…which is FAR easier..
STOP IT Tommy … you’re getting my hopes up …
is this a real rumor or did you make this up tommmy?
Maggette is next to go this Golden State is Steph Currys team now.
Can Turiaf bury the mid-range jumper? Wouldn’t that make him perfect for SSOL? But seriously, when was the last time the Knicks were able to pull off a franchise changing trade like this? The Sprewell trade? Alan Hahn tweeted that the Knicks are looking for “their KG.” I don’t think there are any former Knicks out there who are GM’s just looking to help their old team.
Eddy Curry and Wilson Chandler for Monta Ellis and the Jamal Crawford trade exception.
Where do I sign?
I think Ellis would be a perfect fit, and I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt (Don Nelson is a retard, seriously)
Ellis wasn’t locking it down on Jennings while Jennings was pimp slapping him 55 times! Ellis is another combo guard that plays out of position at pg and at BG! I would pass on him ! Barbosa makes a little more than half of what Ellis is making yet i would take Barbosa over Ellis any day. To me Ellis is better coming off the bench and the Knicks just drafted TD to do that!
ellis wasn’t guarding him all night…
and obviously you aren’t very familiar with his game…
Curry
jefferies
Lee
for
Ellis
Bell
Wright
come on bro….you kill me all the time and you counter with THAT?
main man. step yo game up.
no shots!!!
LMAO that one was lazy
LOL
Oh yeah, thanks Tommy.
i’ll tell you the whole story…you’ll love it….email me theknicksblog@gmail.com
can any numbers junkies tell me if this is a match ?… if it makes sense? .. and how much free space it would leave next summer?
Eddie Curry + David Lee
Monta Ellis + Radmanovic
thanks in advance
Tony Parker’s a 31% 3 pt shooter for his career, which is bad. But Monta Ellis is even worse at 29%. Difference is Parker’s smarter, unselfish, and knows how to play winning basketball. Monta Ellis can put up great scoring numbers on bad Warriors teams and he doesn’t play defense. Brandon Jennings lit him up for 55 3 nights ago.
I’ll pass on Ellis. Not that GS has any room for Wilson Chandler when they’re already struggling to find minutes for Corey Maggette, Stephen Curry, Anthony Morrow, and CJ Watson. What does Wilson Chandler do well?
He’s regressed horribly this year and I can’t imagine GS, or any team trading for him. He’s awful. As for Eddy Curry, GS is the worst rebounding team in the league. With Eddy Curry they’re worse.
If Eddy Curry’s a bad fit in NY, because he can’t run, why is he a good fit on the Warriors who run even more than the Knicks? And don’t you think Don Nelson and the rest of the league know that Curry has a hard time getting motivated to get in shape and play hard? Why would Nelson trade his 2 best players for a guy like that?
This is what I mean Tommy, about wild speculation. Last week I told you that your proposal for a David Lee trade for Raja Bell was a bad idea because Bell was contemplating wrist surgery, but you ran with it anyway.
And today Bell announces that he’s having wrist surgery, a day after being traded. He’s gone for God knows how long. Again, no NBA team is going to trade for Lee when they know he’s going to walk at the end of the year.
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/62847/20091117/raja_bell_will_have_wrist_surgery/
First, GS would save a lot of money, approximately $33 million.
And the Warriors don’t have any young shooting forward (Curry, Watson and Morrow are guards), I think Chandler would be a good fit.
would be more than 33 mucha, they can deal for mobley then insurance takes over…add 9.5 i believe to the 33…i triple checked my math!!
So we’d be tapping into the 2011 Chris Paul money with this move you’re proposing? For a guy who’s not a difference maker, is selfish, and has a bad attitude?
There’s a huge difference The_Guy :
In this scenario the Knicks get rid of Eddy Curry – they would be in the same position from a financial standpoint and a lot better on the court.
You can’t put Eddy Curry in a package for Chris Paul obviously, so $13 million separates both scenarios.
This scenario is a fantasy, Mucha. You guys seem to think that the rest of the league hasn’t been paying attention to Eddy Curry’s career the past 4 years. You don’t think they know he doesn’t like to play basketball and hasn’t been in shape for about 3-4 yrs now?
Who in their right mind would trade for him? This is wacky.
If Don Nelson is fighting with Stephen Jackson and Steph Curry, who are actually good players, what do you think he’s going to do the first time Eddy Curry walks back on defense? Or fails to grab a rebound in a half?
This is assuming he’d ever WANT Eddy Curry. A guy known for not playing hard and underachieiving all his life. A guy who DOES NOT fit his system at all. Come on guys you’re better than this.
This isn’t Fantasy Basketball.
And why is Wilson Chandler the answer to every trade debate? I remember you guys coming on here last summer saying stuff like, “Ok fine, we’ll throw in the Wilson Chandler. Now they HAVE TO give us the # 5 pick in the draft! We’re throwing in Chandler! How could the possibly say no now?!”
Wilson Chandler has regressed horribly this year. He has a low basketball IQ, can’t shoot, seems to have lost his explosiveness, doesn’t bring it every night, and you think teams are gonna be banging down Donnie Walsh’s door for him?
You guys should know better.
Nelson traded Jackson for Bell and Radmanovic. RADMANOVIC.
Why wouldn’t they trade Ellis for Curry if a talented shooting forward (who’ll be RESTRICTED free agent IN 2011 which means LEVERAGE) is in the package??
I think it makes sense.
Raja Bell is an expiring contract, and Radmanovic is a big man who can shoot. Shooters fit really well in Golden State. And he’s only making 6 million dollars.
Radmanovic is a big man who can THEORICALLY shoot – in fact he’s a just scrub, he couldn’t average more than 16 minutes per game in Charlotte! And Lakers fans were happy to see his @ss get traded last year!
At the end of the day, there’s a $5 million difference between the Stephen Jackson deal and my scenario. Wilson Chandler – who’s still a talented young player – compensates for it.
I think it makes sense.
Why do you keep saying Career 3 pt shooting?
Ellis started off bad he is getting better at 3’s. Stop paying attention to Sats soo much.
I’ve been thinking about Ellis and Randolph for a few weeks, I think Donnie Walsh needs to make something happen – I mean it’s now or never.
I’d trade Eddy Curry and Wilson Chandler for Monta Ellis…
And my dream is a Danilo Gallinari/Anthony Randolph duo at the 3/4 spots.
why not for Tmac
The numbers don’t match and I don’t know if the Rockets are willing to do it. I mean he’s injuried but there’s no problem between him and the organization. But the Warriors are clearly shopping Ellis, I think it’s a golden opportunity.
Sign A.I. trade curry for TMac finish the season.
That my friend is the exact way to go!! last year almost done guys who are looking for one last run before there sunset. Let them run with the rooks and at least try to be respectable this year. I cosign that idea.
lol do I have to say that Jennings is twice the player Ellis is at a quarter of the price!?! lol Yea I did not think so lol Anyway I say no go on this Ellis thing, not the shooter this system requires. And mark my word we have not heard the last of his bad wheel!!!
I rather get 2 last year vets with chips on there shoulders and something to prove then take a huge money risk like Ellis on.
Get the old guys let them run loose with the rooks and then clear our books for 2010…even if it took adding chandler for Tmac but we better get some kind of pick as well, but yea I could sleep easy at night with that and would be impressed with donnie if he has the vision and forsight to see this and make it real.
Ellis last three games he averaged 21 pts. and “3 asst.”! “3 asst.”! I don’t believe that Ellis is a pg! This would be a panic move!
You know where Monta Ellis ranks amongst the point guards in the league?
Oh yeah, that’s right he’s not a point guard.
He’s getting 5 a game.
jennings 5.5…
what’s the difference?
and DON’T say age.
Have you seen Jennings’ teammates?
Have you seen Ellis’s coach?
So the coach is keeping him from getting assists?
Ok.
I’d rather have had Eric Gordon, same skill set, but bigger and stronger.
Eric Gordon = Monta Ellis + 40 lbs.
That’s an insult. Eric Gordon can play defense, is unselfish, and can shoot the 3.
lol touche Guy, touche.
My point is : Nelson’s system is a MESS. Nellie’s a poor man’s D’Antoni.
The Warriors have a weak roster anyways, they don’t have any post presence like Bogut who gets many assists from Jennings.
From where I’m sitting, _’antoni’s “system looks a mess too.
Nelson is a poor man’s _’antoni? That’s laughable, he’s about to become the winningest coach in NBA history. If anything it’s the other way around.
Have you seen the Warriors play? Have you seen the way Nelson treats his players?
D’Antoni > Don Nelson
Nelson didn’t just start coaching this year.
Have you seen the Knicks play? Have you seen how _’antoni treats his players?
i’ll do ya one better Has…do you remember Nelson when he was here?
he pissed off patrick to the point he got fired.
end.
I don’t like _on Nelson as a coach, never did. For the same reason I don’t and probably never will like _’antoni. Neither have been to the Finals and neither will ever win a championship.
Difference is Jennings is playing with D League caliber players. He’s making a difference in his first 3 weeks as a pro. He’s literally carrying a team everyone expected to finish 30th this year on his back. He’s outplaying the best PGs in the league, including Monta Ellis on Saturday. And he’s only going to get better.
Monta Ellis is putting up good scoring numbers on a horrible team, and has been a distraction for them for the past 2 years. Tha’s a big difference.
This time last year Jennings was in Europe coming off the bench, adjusting to a new culture, completely different style of play, and country. The year before that he was in another completely different environment, dominating the best H.S. players in the country.
This is the 3rd year in a row that he’s had to adjust to changes in the level of competition, environment, etc, and he’s dominating anyway. The kid is gonna be special.
He’s got ROY locked up, and could possibly make the All Star team if he keeps this up. And again he’s only gonna get better. Michael Redd is gonna come back soon, he’ll have less pressure to carry the team every night.
And the best thing about Jennings is…the Bucks are not even a running team! That’s his strength, but they’re not a running team, and he’s STILL putting it on people every night!
I can only imagine what he could do on a team like the Knicks, who actually try (in vain, but they’re trying) to run.
Thanks Guy, I was beginning to wonder if nearly everyone on this site was blind.
It’s OK to big up a player that we might have a chance in trading for, but if not just dismiss him as a fluke or just above mediocre?
The kid is a phenom, he’s causing a stir in the NBA in MILWAUKEE… MILWAUKEE!!! If he were in NY he would be the greatest thing since free internet porn.
Why are you comparing him to Jennings?
We have a choice between Jennings and Ellis?
Ask Tommy.
My thing is you have the chance to deal chandler with Curry, save the warriors a TON of money AND give them a young piece bc Az blew his wheel out and jax got traded.
moving ellis and gaining space allows for Curry to develop.
but haS your M.O. is to stray away to things that you want to talk about.
you’ve already admitted you’d do this deal…
ellis is better than jennings right now and is only 24. And if we drafted jennings we’d still have curry.
I said I’d do i, yes.
I didn’t compare him to Jennings you did. I merely said that Ellis wasn’t a point guard. When people start talking about point guards in the league when does Ellis’ name come up? Never.
That said he is better than any player the Knicks have on the roster, so why not.
“[My] M.O. is to stray away from thing that [I] want to talk about?”
Does that statement even make sense?
Oh, I’d argue Jennings is a better point guard than Ellis right now.
i did NOT compare him to Jennings.
you guys can’t let jennings GO. every freekin post.
get over it.
and no he isn’t…
Yes ya did Tommy.
I said Ellis wasn’t a point guard and you responded with:
“He’s getting 5 a game.
jennings 5.5…
what’s the difference?
and DON’T say age.”
The end.
after people throughout the thread already brought him up because they can’t help themselves. I didnt say YOU brought him up. But you got to the party late.
by VOR 8:14
Ellis wasn’t locking it down on Jennings while Jennings was pimp slapping him 55 times! Ellis is another combo guard that plays out of position at pg and at BG! I would pass on him ! Barbosa makes a little more than half of what Ellis is making yet i would take Barbosa over Ellis any day. To me Ellis is better coming off the bench and the Knicks just drafted TD to do that!
TD: 8:36
He’s getting 5 a game.
jennings 5.5…
what’s the difference?
and DON’T say age.”
Hey, as long as you know I didn’t bring him up. You guys can argue with your eyes if you want to, I won’t stop you. We’ll revisit this conversation after he wins ROY. I’m good for now. You won’t hear his name from me.
You might get some random posts around midseason with just stats in them, you’ll know what it is. lol
Tommy run!!! I will hold them back but run from even the slightest attempt to compare Ellis to Jennings!! lol that will be a hole you wont ever get out of!! Ellis cant pass or shoot like Jennings my man and umm he may not have put the WHOLE 55 on Ellis but he sure did tune him up something crazy!! Add that Jennings is damn near alone on the bucks and you can see why you sound some what crazy right now lol.
Just not the case my man.
did you watch ellis destroy dallas in the playoffs?
jennings is roookie
agreed Has … i just watched that little youtube clip of this guy ….
with his ability to penetrate how in the world is he not a 6-7+ apg guy?
Stop it….please, stop it.
Tommy, I’d make this trade (not in love with Ellis, but he’s better than anyone on the team right now) and I always liked Turiaf, maybe once he hit the floor Knicks’ fans would remember what a hustle player really looks like.
Begrudgingly.
To be honest I rather make some type of trade for Turiaf before Ellis!!
I like the sentiment of spending some the cap space before next year to entice someone to come here. But I’m not sure about Ellis being that guy. For one he seems to be a real pre-madonna and complains a lot. He’s injury prone. He’s a take it to the basket scoring guard. Douglas and Nate are already a poor man’s version of that on offense (not to mention that 4 games in, Douglas is already a superior defensive player to Monta Ellis). Finally, he plays the 1 in a very similar offense in Golden State, and he’s not exactly taking them to the promise land. At 5-7 million I would go for it. At 10, not so much
that being said, if they could get rid of Jeffries before hand, I would probably be ok with this trade. I just don’t like the idea of committing to him as the second best player on next year’s team (in the event you got him and couldn’t trade Jeffries) without seeing what your other options were in the summer.
I do like Turiaf for 4 million though.
Of course he complains a lot.
Don Nelson made a promise. He told Ellis he wouldn’t draft a guard – next thing you know Nelson picks Stephen Curry!! Nellie’s a psycho anyways, maybe Ellis is a primadona but he didn’t choke his coach!
Curry and Lee for the expiring contract of Claxton, Ellis and Anthony Randolph. GS gets some big men while Biedrins and Turiaf mend, make room for Steph Curry to run their show, end the griping.
Anthony Randolph has the length and athleticism to line up at PF for us, he’s a very good rebounder and shotblocker, can score in a lot of ways. GS is wasting his talents as a reserve C. Ellis could be a very good fit for us at PG, I think he’d need to cut down on his turnovers, work on his pick and roll, but defenses have to respect his ability to slash and shoot.
you can also sweeten the deal for GS by including Chandler, the salaries still work out…
if the deal is curry, lee and chandler for ellis, randolph and claxton, then the open cap for next season is $26M, enough for a max deal plus a mid-tier free agent…
Hey im down with
Ellis
Hughes
Gallo
Ant Randolph (A Real Hustler)
Hill or Darko
For the Knicks money have to forever be an issue! Like “BARTNYK” sign Ai, trade Curry (which i would hate to do just yet) and Hughes for T-Mac and evaluate Ai and T-Mac for the season!
I wanted to tweet this to you but it was to long.
I don’t bring in Ellis unless it gets rid of both Curry and Jeffries.
I came up with 2 deals but GS could do better.
Jeffries/Curry/Mobley/Chandler/Hill for Ellis/Randolph/Bell/Claxton/George
Jeffries/Curry/Mobley/Chandler/Hill for Ellis/Curry/Bell/Claxton/George
The Curry one just me being greedy. But the first one makes sense for them and us. We clear cap… and still have enough for 1 Max + and get Randolph who’s rotting on GS bench.
Bell is out, Claxton expires, george could just get released and we get 2 pieces for 2010.
GS saves money on mobley, save money with Eddy and Jeffries in the long run, and get 2 young players.
This is the only way i take Ellis.
no way they are taking Jeffries AND curry
jeffries is 6 mill, not impossible to move….
Did u just say Hughes and Chandler for Ellis and Randolph????
I can see Eliis going a few places
Detroit
Indiana
Philly – Maybe but I think they like their team
Minny – Only if he plays 2G they have Flynn
New York
I think the best fit for him is Indiana with Danny Granger.
The Knicks are not going to trade JHill, the player they picked ahead of “Jennings”! Walsh would look like an even bigger fool!!!
I’d trade him for Randolph, it’s a bargain.
We’re debating over a bunch of shoot first guards out of desperation… one who has a long, heavy contract.
If any of you actually want Ellis as our PG of the future than that’s a different story, but is this desperation speaking or have you really evaluated what it is we’re talking about.
We suck this year; sorry. Get over it; i have. I’m just watching for galo hill and toney, i don’t care about anything else.
Come on Jeff Monta Ellis is possibly the best Point Guard that will most likely hit the market for a while.
fact- since the draft
I like the idea of swapping Eddy C for Monta Ellis from a skill set point of view..
but.. and there is always a but…
what is the difference between Monta Ellis and Jamal Crawford?
Arent we just getting a shorter Jamal with a worse jump shot?
This is an improvement over the AI talk.
At least Monta Ellis attacks the basket.
no no no Big.
Ellis is NOT jamal crawford..
no no no….
Why no, Tommy? Just curious.
ill admit I have not been a big follower of Monta Ellis’ career. Ill take your word for it on the comparo.. Mucha got it right from the you tube clip..
He is still more of a combo than a pure PG.. But would be a nice young piece to build around for 2010.
How many GSW players are we going to take? LMAO.
Crawford is an off the bounce shooter.
Ellis can attack the rim with strength.
Crawford plays zero d
Ellis plays a ton of d.
Ellis, in this system, is the explosive pick and roll 1 we are desperately looking for.
TD
OK Tommy, now that you’ve successfully convinced me and Big (where’s Bob?), can you convince Nellie (I’m assuming Walsh is already prepared pull the trigger) to trade him?
here i am!..is there anyway to get DUHON outta here with curry?
i make the trade,but would Nelson do this?i think it would be easier for us to trade MONTE ELLIS,than it would be if we hang on to curry.ok do it
It’s hard to evaluate “D”, but if he plays “D” better than Crawford that would make him an upgrade over Crawford. I’m still suspicious because I’ve never seen anyone on GS play defense. lol
and again the “sweetner” is Mobley’s deal that GS doesn’t pay but is allowed by the league….
yeah.. Mobley is a real asset that needs to be capitalized on.
But the team has to apply to have his salary removed from the cap and that happens One year after he retires officially… I think that was late Nov 2008
Its a long shot but the trade i suggested would give us $32-35M in cap space which is enough for 2 max players
Just imagine
Bosh/Amare
Randolph
Gallo
Lebron
Ellis
Douglas
thats a very good 6. If donnie has to give up a future 1st rd pick for GS to take the trade i suggest id do it.
But like i said its a long shot and Duhon will probably be starting all year long
I would take Ai at the NBA minimum over Ellis at 11 mil over 4 yrs.! Ai might even be a better player than him right now! I would like to find out!
Even if you get rid of Eddy Curry?
You get rid of Curry for a even bigger contract. I see the Logic because we need a PG but I doubt it happens.
Bigger contract???
2010-2011 :
Eddy Curry $11.276 mill > Monta Ellis $11 mill.
Mucha…..dont you understand he is trying to tell you that Ellis will stay on the books longer at that #!! Sorry he is not worth that cash and im telling you that bum wheel will come up again!!
Years isn’t that big of a factor.
For example if Jared Jeffries’s contract was 1 million a year instead of 6 we would just let him be on the roster.
YES Ellis has a bigger contract but from a 2010 perspective – isn’t that what the plan is all about? – his contract is NOT bigger than Curry’s!
Maybe Ellis is not worth $11 mill per year, but I’d rather have a $11 mill Monta Ellis to attract LeBron James than a $11 mill Eddy Curry! To each his own though.
Some of the trades being thrown out by some posters are hilarious. Certain posters really tickle me. How did we go from trading for Ellis to also acquiring Randolph? Now….if it saves them 40 something million like Tommy says it’s a different story but I don’t see Golden State having a fire sale just yet.
Let’s stick to our guns and keep trying to do what we’ve been doing. We should be aiming for players like Rubio or even Nick Young from Washington. I haven’t really seen that kid Law play so I can’t pass judgment on him but no big splashes via trade until maybe draft night. Keep it simple Donnie and don’t let people sway you off your plan.
Jameer Nelson is out for 2 months again. Talk about bad luck.
I want to go on record as saying Monta Ellis is wildly overrated. He scores, but not very efficiently and he doesn’t do anything else really well. I’ll pass on him. It would almost be like overpaying for to get Crawford back after we all celebrated finally getting rid of him.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=crawfja01&y1=2009&p2=ellismo01&y2=2009
come on man…seriously?
not even close
But if you get rid of Eddy Curry?
There’s no impact whatsoever from a financial standpoint.
Low-risk high-reward move in my opinion.
If you get rid of Curry, that’s a good thing but then you are stuck with Ellis. I would consider it STUCK.
Fair enough
dogmanx23: “If donnie has to give up a future 1st rd pick for GS to take the trade i suggest id do it.” Tommy now do you understand what desperation sound like?!? The next Knicks GM who trades our first round pick already has my hands around his throat!
I give up. I’ll play along. Since you all like wacky trades how about this one..Eddy Curry for LeBron James. Straight up. Plus Cleveland throws in an unprotected 2011 draft pick, and cash. Does that sound realistic?
Ok fine, we’ll throw in Wilson Chandler! Now they HAVE TO TAKE IT!!
you’re about to get a time out Guy…lol
lmao
that’s a hella trade
I would rather package Curry and hughes for T-Mac, or to Miami for JOneal and Miami’s 1st round pick in 2010!
here’s the thing…..RIGHT HERE.
a lot goes into any deal, which we’ve spelled out.
So please stop with the “I would rather” stuff…what does that mean?
you’d rather? great. good for you
Would houston? Miami?
lol
Curry and Hughes for McGrady?
Why would the Rockets do it? There’s no problem between McGrady and the organization.
But Ellis is in Nellie’s doghouse and (I assume) the Warriors are shopping Ellis = Golden opportunity to aquire a talented young player for Curry (Curry plus X).
the fact that he is only 24 is also extremely enticing. ellis is a special player. i would make this trade ten times out of ten.
Mucha…where was it printed that there needs to be a problem between a player and the team for a trade to happen? Law was just fine where he was and next thing he knew he was a bobcat so whats your point there? The trade for Tmac thing is not new or out of the blew it came up before this summer, You ask why and I tell you they have no center Yao is out for the year and when he comes back you have EC as his back up with a year left so it really does work. Also Tmac is not resigning there and wont be back for a while and we can afford to wait on him at this point if we also get A.I. for the rest of the year. That means A.I. Tmac and the rooks running the rest of the season all with something to prove and nothing to lose while in turn giving us some sense of respectability as well as something worth watching!
I never said that there needs to be a problem, but it’s EASIER to make a trade happen (especially with a guy like Eddy Curry) when there’s a problem between a player and the organization. Ellis wants out, the Warriors automatically lose leverage in this situation.
The T-Mac deal has never been a rumor (correct me if I’m wrong – but give me a source to prove it) – pure speculation from the fans and a few journalists.
It’s really up to T-Mac! Though would Houston rather receive nothing for T-Mac when his contract expires? If Curry is playing ok i think Houston would take Curry! In the playoffs a “big” like curry would help them!
the rockets don’t save 40 million
They have no center Tommy for the whole year, and when he comes back EC has a year left and could be the best back up center in the league which could really let them not over use Yao. The money is a push while the get a PON filled.
hmmm…let me think of another team that doesn’t have a Center and also doesn’t want Eddy Curry….
Can anyone think of one…oh yeah….the knicks
Eddy Curry will have to prove that he can actually play before anyone takes him…and that includes Golden State (where he is not a fit at all btw)
and as for saving money with Mobley’s contract…that means GS has to make the trade BEFORE Eddy can prove himself…
If you’re Golden State…do you really make this trade? Dont you think that you can get something better back for Monta Ellis….please
Curry hasn’t even played a game yet and we think people will take him and his ridiculous contract.
Wake up everyone…Curry has to prove himself and sadly that won’t happen until after November up along with any Mobley’s contract scenarios
sorry to be such a cynic here, but there is no chance we can trade Curry for Monta Eliis or TMAC (outside of our own dreams) especially before eddy can prove that he can still play
section40…Just how many 40’s did you drink lol to think that taking a chronically injured rapidly aging Tmac who is not playing for them now is not as much a gamble for us? Who is knocking down the rockets door for Tmac? It would be in fact a fair trade if anything where taking a chance he will heal right (again) while they are basically taking a flyer on EC who plays a POSITION OF NEED for them at center. They have ther SF of the future they have ok guards (huges would only help there) and Yao will be back next year in which EC is in his last year, that allows them to spell Yao with EC on his come back year. So why are you making that sound so out of this world? once again there not taking on more money because EC & Huges = the exact same money Tmac makes and why get nothing for him when you can Fill a current need spot and extend your bench. They have NO center!!
Ellis contract is a contract of the past, You can’t pay small combo guards who don’t play good defense that kind of money ! You just shouldn’t!
I’m not concerned with GSt. salary issues only the Knicks! If Ellis was making half of what he is making maybe i would think about it, but at 11 mil.. Is Ellis 11x’s better than TD? That trade would be a bad trade for the Knicks!!!
i say anyway of exchanging Curry or Jeffries for anyone of actual value on the court would be a steal for the knicks. I would do this trade in a second, especially taking into account how bad chandler has been.
Tommy,
did you say than Ellis was better than Devon Harris, no way man..
ellis is a better shooter an scorer
harris is a better passer
harris is a p.g
ellis is a combo..
Someone up there said something about Don Nelson getting on Eddy Curry the first time he didn’t get back on defense? The way Nelson would see it:
“Good job Eddy on being the first guy down the floor on that fast break!”
For those keeping score at home:
Cavs beat the warriors (dressed 7)
114-108
Ellis
23 points 9-23 shooting (in 46 minutes)
8 assists
4 turnovers
2 rebounds
3 steals
1 block
1-3 from 3….
ellis will hopefully be back to normal soon
that injury still is messing with him
i think he probably lost a step
ellis b4 injury was nasty
he still can play
but the injury took something out of him
Ellis kinda has to be the main guy to be effective 23 shots for 23 points not very efficient but with Gallo and efficient scores on the team he can be great he did have 8 assist.
If Donnie can pull this off (deal including E. Curry) I will be thoroughly impressed and thrilled. Ellis is a stud guard and is better than any current Knick. I was at the NY-GS game last week and the Knicks looked slow and three steps behind. The Knicks need a fast, explosive player like Eliis. If this deal is on the table, please pull the trigger.
Can somebody also take Duhon as well? I’m tired of watching him “play”.
This deal is NOT on the table, it was made up by Tommy
Sorry Tommy, I just can imagine that GS takes on an unproven eddy curry for monta ellis. I think they can get someone much better than eddy and still save some money by being a little more creative.
Tommy, would you do this if you were the GM for Golden State or would you try to get something better back for Monta Ellis? There are other trades you can do before the deadline that can save money. if you are willing to work harder and be a little more patient a better deal will come along for GS. The deadline isn’t for another 3 months…what’s the rush for GS?
BTW, we’re not even sure that the league will let us use Mobley’s contract as a trade chip….the thought of substituting Darko in that situation makes the trade even less likely
The rush is Don and Monta are clashing Daily. Monta trying to step in as a Leader and Nelson keeps disrespecting him. Plus Monta keeps stating he wants out.
Also the Warriors gave up their best player for Raja Bell and Radmanovic…
I think Wilson Chandler, Eddy Curry and Mobley’s contract will get it done.
All this post is doing is getting people excited over something that isn’t going to happen. The Warriors would never in a million years trade away their versatile star point guard for a bum who hasnt played a game in 3 years, a guy who will never see the court again because of a life threatening disease, and a semi-talented tall guy with a shaky jumpshot, no ball handling skills at ALL, and only one move (the spin move).
It is fun to fantasize and dream about the Knicks making big moves this season to dump of the salary, but forget it. Until Curry can get back on the court and be so much as physically capable, no boneheaded GM is going to take his contract. He may actually have the worst contract in the history of sports, in terms of dollars to minutes/performance or (whatever positive contribution you want to use as a measurement) ratio.
Spending time writing this post based on absolutely nothing but a fantasy is downright frustrating. I’ve been a Knick fan for years and the last thing I want is to sit here and read about some fantasy based on absolutely nothing. No where has this been reported or talked about, at all. I like this blog, a lot, and I am glad people are as into the Knicks as I am, but can we just focus on tangible things here that may actually happen, or ARE actually happening?
Tommy 3 questions:
1. Do u think Jared Jefferies will be moved before the february trade deadline in exchange for an expiring contract? Example-Jefferies for say Mike james of the Wizards?
2. If Wilson Chandler and/or David Lee was put into a trade offer with Eddy Curry, could Eddy Curry be moved in exchange for an expiring contract before the February trade deadline?
3. If come this summer the Knicks signed Lebron, but they couldn’t move Jefferies or Curry’s contract, come the following following summer when Curry and Jefferies’ contract come off the books, would the knicks have enough cap room to go after Chris paul? Would Chris Paul come to NY to play with Lebron? I think the better question is, could Lebron be talked into coming to NY by himself for a year and waiting a year for the oppportuntity of Chris Paul joining him? Just a thought i wondered about being things seem to be crumbling around Paul in New Orleans.
Chris Paul can’t be a free agent until 2012 when he has a player option for 2013
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_orleans.htm
[...] Tommy Dee, for example, suggests a Ellis/Turiaf/Claxton for Curry/Chandler/Mobley swap. This would add about $1.6 million to next year’s cap number, and I’d be surprised if Donnie were willing to do this because so far he hasn’t shown a willingness to add a single dollar to the 2010 payroll. [...]
I would give lee and chandler if it ment we would get rid of Curry… and possibly jeffries.
but that wouldnt happen