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“…Where is the risk in a $1.3 million expenditure for a 10-time All-Star, especially for an owner who shelled out $3 million for the 29th pick of the draft last June? The worst that could have happened was this: The Knicks still didn’t win, D’Antoni reduced Iverson’s minutes and A.I. pulled his rebel act. Big deal. The Knicks could have cut him and moved on. At least they would have tried.
There is nothing worse than being bad and boring, and that’s what the Knicks have become now.
The Knicks face the winless Nets today — appropriately in the Swamp. They are a lot less interesting today than Thursday, when things were headed in the direction of A.I. wearing No. 3 on Tuesday night at the Staples Center against the Lakers.
Next week, the Knicks go West for Thanksgiving and nobody will care they are gone. Turkeys…”
Does this mean that we’ll see a Knicks float in the parade next week?
Again, I see the argument for bringing in Iverson. I also see why they wouldn’t. Donnie Walsh is working on another deal. He has to be. Maybe it’s McGrady, which would be best case if the team can shed Curry and something that has been speculated for months by non-bloggers (just saying).
Or maybe it’s Monta Ellis, who was awesome last night and will never be subordinate to Don Nelson.
But let’s face it, the goal, as we know, is 2010, but by far and away it’s to deal Eddy Curry. What if the Knicks make a huge leap with Curry pinning people deep in the post and stopping the game at the stripe? What if Curry changes the game enough to keep players from throwing in the towel mid-way through the third?
What if they can deal Curry, who, from what I’ve seen, is in the best shape of his life and who’s contract isn’t looking nearly as daunting should he stay healthy and help the team win?
Yes, you could have signed Iverson then still traded Curry, but name me a big who was the perfect fit with AI. He doesn’t have a relationship with one. He’s an individual, hence why he’s not here.
So many people wanted Iverson, but judging from our poll, the decision has been split. The Jets made the sensational move for Favre, who is hated by the same fans (and media) that demanded the Jets do something. I think in a sense Walsh deserves some level of respect for sticking to his guns. Right move, or wrong, it shows leadership.
I’ll tell you this, if Walsh can deal Curry, which he has the rest of the year to do, fans should throw him a parade…and not on Thanksgiving.
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Bro, What if your aunt had a beard–she’d be your uncle. All jokes aside. You’re preaching to your own choir, Tommy. Even Lupica, who I feel is the most respected sports columnist in NY, says the NY Zombies management doesn’t care what we fans think. I believe Dolan scared Walsh off. And as Berman said, it would have taken guts to make the move anyway, and it’s obvious so far, that Walsh and D’Antoni have none.
Tommy. this blog has been saying that Donnie is working on something for over a year and nothing. Except for maybe trading JJ or Curry for an expiring, Donnie has shut it down until 2010.
Forget this Monte trade you keep throwing out there like it’s a legit rumor, it ain’t happening. Curry or JJ won’t fit it in GS & it wouldn’t be enough to pry him seay unless we thow in a pick or Douglas.
As for Curry one 11 minute doesn’t make a full comeback, let’s see him play 30+ minutes for like 10 games straight. You lose all that weight & don’t play or even practice competively for like 2 years his stamina is going to problem.
I didn’t want AI here, I want to see the youth movement Donnie fed the press about this past week
I have to agree with you EQ1217! Tommy, lets face it the guy is sitting on his hands doing nothing. The way this whole Iverson situation went down is gonna turn alot of fans against them. I wont even be surprised if you hear “fire donnie” chants tomorrow at the garden. He had 90% of the city, excited again. Why would you play with a loyal fan base’s emotions? I’m sorry Tommy but he shouldnt have said he was looking into it, if he wasn’t gonna do it. Another case of a man not sticking to his “word”. The knicks need a real GM with some balls. I feel really betrayed as a fan. I have to stick to watching these current idiots. We don’t have any pieces Houston would even want for McGrady.
according to Tommy’s poll A.I. excited only 47% of the fan base. not 90%
Thats according to the poll of the bloggers here, that is not even a 1/3 of the fans who are not bloggers that wanted this move……lol. Nice try.
They did their homework and made a rational decision in their minds.
Unlike knee-jerk decisions that ruined the franchise for half a decade.
It’s why there aren’t 20 something year old NBA executives, despite most fans that age who think they could be.
I think there is much more to worry about than 1.3 million. If this Iverson thing went really wrong, D’Antoni and Walsh would have Marbury and Iverson as the only two high profile players on their watch- both as failures. How you then expect to woo other high profile athletes? I say stick to the plan. Try to fleece someone in a trade, and if not- then you have a ton of cap room next year to sign the inevitable All-Star that will be “willing” to come to the biggest market in the world.
It took guts for Donnie NOT to make the signing on a 2-9 team.
In the face of SOME fan outrage — and as the poll says it is about 50-50– Donnie decided to stick with his guns. A GM like Zeke would have made the move.
Even if the team goes 2 for its next 9 the goal is to get Curry involved, give him confidence and find a taker (sucker) for him. A.I. would have impeded that plan as well as it puts Douglas on the bench.
I am proud to be on the other side of a Marc Berman saturday morning rant.
This would not have been a Zeke move because it would not have hurt us in anyway. It would not have hurt douglas, im sure of that. It would have hurt duhon and nate, two idiots that probably will be moved in February and not here next year anyway. Stop finding excuses to stick up for Donnie on this one. He messed up AGAIN! We’re a 2-9 team, how do you even have the audacity to turn down a Hall of Famer? I think this move embarrases the organization, more than Iverson acting out would have. We’re 2-9 people! We need help!!! Iverson could have won games by his damn self. I want wins and thats it, you develop good players win you win. Losing a whole season and playing your rooks does nothing positive. See examples: Chandler, Lee, Nate all losers!
name one big man who had a career year with iverson.
by “Zeke move” i meant changing course mid stream like he did at least 5 times
(lets play speed ball with “the quick”.. oh Curry is available.. lets slow it down.. Curry is the center of attention.. Zbo is available? twin posts sounds good.. whata bout Steve Franchise as the Pearl to Iverson’s Clyde? still laughing at that one)
If you’ve read any of my posts I am hardly a Donnie apologist. But IVerson acting out here — and you know he would — would have been a collosal embarrassment to a storied franchise… In 60 days it will be “A.I. who?”
The team is off to a slow start.. it happens.. NO ONE had us as a 12 win team.. Like I said above.. the wins are nto the most important thing .. Iverson would have been a brooding gimmick not the final piece to this messed up 10 year puzzle.
let it go. its over.
** Marbury’s Clyde .. fraudian slip.
“would have been a collosal embarrassment to a storied franchise”
I think this franchise has suffered more than enough embarrassment. I don’t think there is any more shame left.
I barely care enough to chime in on the Iverson thing, but I don’t think I would have cared either way. The guys drafted aren’t looking like stars. They didn’t make a move to upgrade at point guard to make these “pieces for the future” look like anything worth playing with. I would have understood if they signed him, but I’m not upset they didn’t. At all.
However, I don’t think this is just a “slow start” I think this coach is incapable of getting the best out of his players. Period. When I looked over the list of potential free agents that would be available in 2010 (the moment that became the plan) I saw Amar’e as a realistic option, but I don’t like him paired with _’antoni, imo I don’t feel like he got the best out of him.
Amar’e should be playing at an even higher level, he sometimes coasts and goes through the motions rather than play with the high motor he is capable of playing with. Like mostly all of _’antoni’s player (save Raja) Amar’e showed a disdain for defense or some sort of allergy toward it, this guy (maybe under the right coach) could have been in the conversation of Defensive Player of The Year.
Some coaches can bleed water from a stone, some can’t. _’antoni is not that coach. He has the belated epiphanies that disgust me, “Yeah, I think we need to emphasize defense now, I don’t think I let them know how important it was last year” (ALL YEAR?), then this year after 10 games he says “I think I might need to adjust the system to the players we have” (WTF?) this dude is on notice as far as I’m concerned. He better start looking like he’s coached before… real soon.
Also, from the tone of _’antoni’s voice I don’t think he wanted any part of Iverson. I think that was more Walsh contemplating that move, he’s looking like a novice with all the other moves he’s made since moving Crawford (who strangely enough is a key cog on a team with the best record in the East) and Zach Randolph.
i agree this franchise has suffered too many embarassments.. and my patience with MDA is waning as well.
He has definitely been taken down a peg or two. I just cant believe he is as stupid as he has looked at times.
To answer someone else in this thread..and your point about embarassing the franchise further.. if a person was unemployed.. getting divorced.. almost broke from the stock market.. and under investigation for some legal issues would you say no problem .. go out and start drinking heavily?.. it cant get any worse? Point is.. u cant continue to compund errors.
Ive always been all about 2010. Because getting under the cap is the right way to point a franchise. Ive questioned Donnie all along the way and he deserves criticism for many of his moves.
I want Donnie to have a big picture midset at this point.. Now the kool aid has run out and even the eternal optimists know we actually suck.. lets play some of these guys wer have to move then bring the rooks on in the second half..
i think this is what donnie did here and ill give him props.. even though Ive questioned him in the past..if the move was “right” or not it was for all the wrong reasons.. Short term over long term.
We already had a collosal embarassment in this franchise. Sexual harassment, a coach who does’nt mind calling black women a B! A star player sleeping with interns in a truck, and last but not least a 1-9 start, worst ever in Knick history. How could Ivo make it any worse!
Big, can you teach “paying attention” to some commentors?
Good comments. I just don’t understand how so many fans disagree. Once Duhon, Chandler and Robinson get back to last years performance levels the team will start winning some games. Meanwhile, JJ and Curry are beginning to look tradeable. At the same time other teams in the league are not doing well and will need to think trade (ie: Golden State, Charlotte, etc. Why all the anger. A little patience, Please.
I think we’ve been patient for the last 10 years. Enough is enough! This city is the Mecca of Basketball, and we have nothing to show for it except a well known gym, and a well known coach. Thats it!
When it comes to how AI affects other players, I really think you’re giving AI too much credit.
I Have to Agree With Biggie And Tommy. The Main Goal Has to be Building Up Curry’s Trade Value and getting Rid of him so we can get 2 max F.A’s next season.
You must be on the Knicks payroll, Tommy you back them up in everything they do, we the fans are tired of watching boring basketball, you think I like to go to the games to watch Duhon, the worst starting pg in the leauge? Come on if Iverson did not work out you cut him.. it’s not messing with the kids or 2010 come on I’m tired of excuses from this organization, the kids are hardly playing now, how are they suppose to develop with harrington, duhon and the rest of the bums taking their minutes?
they don’t make sense seriously..they don’t care about the fans at all..
I’m tired of Walsh and Dantoni playing games with us fans, the only thing this knick management has done positive is clear cap space for 2010, but after that they get an F…
Um, I work for a COMPETING NETWORK.
If iverson were playing today, I would be excited. I was 50-50 on the move. not anti- AI.
but read what you want to read..
ohboy is right….
I wanted AI to come here, but only because I think we had nothing to lose, not because we had everything to gain. If AI came here, I would have given it maybe a 35-40% chance of it working out well, but if it didn’t I saw no harm. I can’t be outraged if Walsh is indeed working on another move. I really hope that’s the reason we passed on Iverson and not because of Dolan or because we beat the Pacers.
Its getting to the point where im getting worried. That management from one game, has become so impressed with Curry that they will mess up again and not deal him. I really don’t understand what they are doing anymore. If you wanna tank the season, atleast make sure you have a first rounder, which we dont! Thats been the Knicks problem for the past 8 years. We sucked but never to the point of rock bottom, so that we could get a high pick. Knicks should have tanked the last three years, not this year. This is becoming depressing!
Its getting to the point where im getting worried. That management from one game, has become so impressed with Curry that they will mess up again and not deal him.
Just imagine if a car salesman didn’t talk up his inventory…………
Just imagine if a poker player couldn’t bluff……………
Are you starting to get the picture?
They’re trying to create a buzz about the guy, so that they can off him on someone else!
since when does something that Marc Berman says ever matter. hes still reeling from the loss of Marbury. The Knicks are not turkeys, management did the smart thing not to bring a firecracker like AI to the team, we already have Robinson to cause scenes. As for management, how come Darko hasnt seen legit minutes? He can play defense, as well as add the interior presence that we need. Though Curry played extremely well the other night, will he do it again? He should against NJ.
The reason darko hasn’t played is simple. Moving Curry is job one. Say Darko lit it up, Curry would have to take minutes away. With Lee, Jeffries and Curry, minutes are slim for Darko and Hill.
Like Hill, Darko will play second half of the season, and is fully aware of his role for now, i believe.
Just to add to Tommy’s point. Darko is a huge handicap on the offensive end and erases the balance in our attack. He is far from an interior presence, imo. Curry and Lee are the only bigs on our team who can score inside. Hill will get the scrap minutes that Lee and Curry don’t use up, leaving Darko in the dust. I would like to see more Darko too, but D’antoni is in between a rock and a hard place when it comes to that. The little offensive success that we have is heavily dependent on Lee.
I dont consider Lee a legitamate “big” on the team. Hes a revolving door on defense, and honestly his offense this year is nothing to brag about. And with Darko, he can be a very serious threat on the inside if given the chance. I would much rather see Hill and Darko in a game together then Jeffries and Lee.
Keep in mind Circle still thinks this squad (if they play like underdogs) can fight for a playoff spot.
No shots.
You have a major reading comprehension deficiency.I said if they play like underdogs AND Walsh makes some moves. Not to mention 38-40 wins in the east means you have a shot at the playoffs. Have fun rooting for the Nets
Shots… major shots.
It is actually more fun to root for the Nets now, they actually play each game to the end, not fizzle out after the half like the Knicks. And honestly, I am going to stop watching the Knicks if we give the Nets their first win of the season. Last year, wasnt it the Knicks that gave the Sacramento Kings their one and only east coast vistory? pathetic
I’ve never seen an 0-11 team get so many bandwagoneers.
LOL I hate to do this, but my reading comprehension was called into question, so I feel it’s only right.
I am reposting your comment in its ENTIRETY, tell me what I missed.
Comment by CircleLimit4
2009-11-18 22:02:36
I’d rather Curry get the minutes than our rookies right now, though Gallo should have played more once Granger got in foul trouble.
Oh well, we won. If we play with the urgency we displayed in the 4th, this team is a contender for a playoff spot. The way our roster is put together we’re underdogs, we gotta start playing like underdogs more often.
Shots are not even necessary.
Oh and then, to top that off, I responded with:
Comment by HaS
2009-11-18 22:11:52
I’m officially ignoring anything Circle posts from this moment forth.
No shots.
I failed miserably in that attempt to just ignore your posts, but I was just trying to warn others (josh h) of your previous posts so he could be aware what he was in for when he addressed your response.
You followed up my response with your reply of:
Comment by CircleLimit4
2009-11-18 23:52:06
Perhaps you misunderstood me. If we play every game like we played in the 4th quarter, we’re capable of 40 wins. I never said it was going to happen.
So where’s this line about ” AND Walsh makes some moves.” located?
I can read. Thanks. Peace.
My apologies, I wrote this on the thread after that one and I got my posts mixed up
“A lot of negative nancys around here are missing the point. We can be good if we do a few things. Develop a cohesive and fluid attack, hunker down on defense and Walsh make a few moves. We got 2 of those things down in that 4th quarter. This was Who are you to “warn” other people of my comments? the same Indiana team coming off 5
wins including the Celtics. Knicks keep it up and Walsh does his part then maybe we won’t have to act like a bunch of nihilists.”
Even still you’re being childish and vindictive. I’ve said REPEATEDLY SINCE THE SUMMER that Walsh needs to make moves in order for this team to improve. I said it once and I’ll say it again. This team CAN (not will) get to the playoffs if certain things happen, such as some passion on both ends from the players and moves by Walsh. I will not take that back.
And who are you to “warn” people of my posts? I try to show respect for other people on this forum and all you seem to do is draw lines in the sand, create sides on issues that aren’t black and white, then you chastise those who think different. All you do is take shots at people and then say “no shots” which is a trite catch phrase you wore out faster than “_avi_ Lee.” You have absolutely no grasp on the concept of opinion.
I admit I didn’t make opinion clear on that particular blogpost. Maybe I was over excited about the win, but I still stand by my statement. You didn’t even form a counter argument, all you did was act like a douchebag and you continue to do so. Go on and disagree with me, that’s cool. You can ignore me if you want, I really could care less. But don’t be a petty a-hole and try to turn others against me by reciting your version of my opinion. I mean seriously, “warning others of my previous posts”? You have a lot of growing up to do. Good luck with that.
a-hole, douche bag, major reading comprehension deficiency…
Yea, I’m the one who needs to grow up.
Thanks man!
Man that went right over your head, didn’t it? I wouldn’t be saying those things if you weren’t trying to plot against me like a child. I was more than civil to you before.
…and you still provide no counter argument. You’re a giant waste of time. I’m done with you.
Any team CAN make the playoffs I guess, hard to argue with that. The Knicks imo are not a playoff team and they won’t be this season. They are headed into a brutal stretch of their season where 3-7 would be a good showing, that best case scenario would leave them at 5-16 That’s a hell of a hole for even a good team to climb out of. let alone a team trying to adjust to a “major trade” which would be needed to turn this into a playoff contender.
So my “counter-argument” is no they’re not going to make the playoffs this year.
But hey be “done with” me man that’s great. I’m not even supposed to be talking to you. lol
what are you guys talking about? lol
I don’t think Lee is right for this team either, but the sad truth is that he scores on the inside for us. Darko has been given many chances over his career and still has never found an offensive rhythm.
When it comes to Jeffries, he can play (I use the term play very loosely) the 4 because he can somewhat spread (again, loosely) the floor, at least more than Darko can. Jeffries, I think, is also a slightly better defender.
Hill and Darko would be an adequate defensive front court but there’s no way they should be fed the ball offensively. . Hill’s shot isn’t there yet, he can’t spread the floor like a modern 4. Darko has no footwork and inconsistent touch around the rim. Opposing defenses know this. Every time we’re forced into a half-court set, we’d have to chuck a 3 ball, more so than we do now.
Totally agree with Circle. Once Duhon, Chandler and Robinson climb out of their slumps and start scoring we will see more Darko to bolster the defense. D’Antoni cannot have Darko on the floor when he is getting little offense from the rest of the team.
Three things Tommy:
1) Your whole premise is based on Donnie working on another trade (just like the bigger assumption that a FA will want to come to New York during this upcoming summer) – but what proof – other than your speculation – do you have that a deal is in the works – I have looked and searched and can find nothing other than this blog about a deal that is either actually being worked on or imminent.
2) Donnie’s words wring hollow about how AI would affect the youth movement when on Wednesday he said it would not. Cannot really trust Donnie with what he says.
3) If Donnie and Mike D are so committed to developing the young players – then why on Wednesday in Indiana did none of them play down the stretch – it appears Mike D was more committed to winning that game than developing the four big young players – and if that is the case – why then not bring in AI if Mike D wants to win more than rebuild through youth and let them take their lumps.
I think the Daily News and Iola have it right – this was Dolan plain and simple – I know you probably have to remain on good terms with corporate Dolan – but he nixed this trade.
what is this nonsense about me and MSG? I work for SNY …WAKE UP PEOPLE. Seriously. If you”re going to represent an intellectual intelligence level at least do your homework.
DOnnie has told reporters that he’s looking to improve the team…do you just read the posts or do you follow me on twitter too? tons of info there on all your concerns.
source told me that donnie heard some good things when he called around the league common sense leads me to believe that he’s working on a deal.
but most fans, who’ve never been within 100 yards of the man, think he’s outdated.
I’m here to tell you I talk to the man, and he’s still one of the smartest basketball minds in basketball. He thought about this move and decided against it.
Donnie said he was”looking into getting Iverson” He never said once “We are definately going to get Iverson, get your hopes up NY!” Get over it, we didnt get Iverson, who cares. People who are going to keep bringing this up can go talk with the bloggers who are still complaining about us not getting Jennings.
Wake up Tommy – I never said you worked for MSG – I said you have to be careful with what you say b/c – we all know – w/ the corporate culture at MSG – that you can into potential problems with Dolan and the pr department.
And again – you have no concrete facts that a deal is in the works or imminent – Donnie told us a lot of things this week – actually flip-flopped – until we actually get some hard facts – you are AGAIN – and wake up when I write this – basing this whole POST on an assumption that a deal has to be in the works – your own words – for all of this to make sense this week.
You have no real reliable information at this time – so I cannot continue to have – in your own words – an intelligent level of conversation with you.
And another thing – my original post was based on observations and not a personal attack on you. BUT your reply was childish at the beginning and actually shows the level you will come down to. If you want to reply to someone’s comments – do not start with an actual bashing of them and their intelligence.
I’ve been a diehard fan since the 1992 (14 years old at the time) first round defeat of the Pistons in five games – still remember when we beat Isiah and then the next commercial on NBC was a be like Mike commercial and we had to play the Bulls in the next round – I was like – wow here we go we are going to be destroyed – but the way the 1992 Knicks played and the X-Man and Oak down low and the hear they showed – the only other three teams I had been that proud of in my NY sports rooting history were the ‘96 Yankees, ‘07 Giants, and ‘96 G-Men (when they finally reached the superbowl and beat the Skins in that January Meadownland ticker-tape parade at the end of the game). So don’t go telling me off with the beginning of your reply to use some intelligence – b/c I did not state you worked for MSG – it is just when you are dealing with that organization – it does help to watch what you can say.
Peace and go Knicks today against the Nets.
Childish? ok…there have been several people with similar views. and those views make no sense. I don’t give a crap about MSG or politics, I write what I right. people imply that i have an agenda…i’m about 2010…always have been. It really doesn’t bother me all that much that the team stinks because I’m excited for cap space. doesn’t make me anyless of a fan or a knick apologist.
To think otherwise is misguided.
Like you I respect all fans, and give a solid forum. Sometimes I disagree, and I like the interaction. I’ve been watching since the early 80s and treat fans with more experience than me with the utmost respect. I reason before I react.
I reacted to you bc i’ve heard that twice this morning and several times over the past few months.
and it’s silly.
But i get offended when people think i have an agenda…
didn’t mean to lash out at you. Hope you know, now, where i’m coming from. I’m just bringing a forum for discussion and the information i bring comes from people you’d think would be pretty solid beacons of info…
I take back what I said Tommy – I think – like some of my brethren here – I am just frustrated with this decade and all of the hindsight and second guessing of our moves. I truly like this blog – I think I projected onto you my Dolan and Isiah Thomas feelings. Sorry about that.
Just would like to see the Knicks get to 3-9 today – and hope for the best that Gallo, Dougey, Hill, and Chandler contribute. And then not get embarrassed by the Cs tomorrow.
Again – peace – great job with the blog – check in every day for updates during the season and most of the offseason.
Let’s go Knicks today!!!!
Nah you work for MSG man, you can’t fool me.
Bwahahaha!!
Just kidding Tommy lol.
Don’t let them (or me) get to you man. If you’re an “In Donnie We Trust” guy that’s okay. I’m strictly orange and blue, they could fire Walshie, _’antoni, cut/waive all the players and chase Dolan out of town (one can only dream) and I’m still going to root for the Knicks. Period.
Doesn’t bother me…just like to respond. I mean people do take the time to talk to me…
the years of frustration are almost over guys….just another half year…i really believe that.
what can i say?
TD
I think we’re 3 years away, minimum if everything plays out perfectly. There can’t be any “project” drafts and missed opportunities though.
worst case 3 years….best case contenders in a year. again haS listen to the snow interview. speaks volumes from a dude who knows more than all of us….EVEN YOU!!
lol
no shots!
Bringing in anyone but LeBron+ makes the Knicks only a good team, not a contender for a championship. Even with Lebron+ they could be just a good team, but not a real championship caliber team. Unless Hill turns into Moses Malone before our very eyes by season’s end there is no real supporting cast here. The Cavs roster is better.
I really dont understand all the Tommy D hate? why do u read his blog if u dont agree with his posts? Compared to the other blogs ive read, this one is by far the most professional and it does not sensationalize like some other blogs.
The 2010 plan is something that i admire, because it is actually a plan. And walsh has earned the fact that he should be given a fair chance before fans run him out of town. Nobody has any idea what is going thru head and the deals that he is potentially working on, so to bash the guy is foolish. no one who comments on this blog has more knowledge than that man. and he said right off the bat last year that his plan will require patience.
As tommy and donnie walsh has said time and time before, cap space is the most improtant thing in the NBA. it may actually be more important than having good players. This is simply the way the league is setup. Teams will trade good players to free up cap space. so if u have cap space u are in a tremendous situation.
And i have no problem with the plan because worst case scenario we dont get lebron or wade(i dont think there is any chance we get wade, but i hope im wrong). well u know what then we have the cap space to make other moves or go after bosh or amare or dirk or johnson. Even if we dont get any of these guys we are still in a better position than when walsh first came. If we cant jamal and randolph and tried to make that current roster a playoff team we would have went nowhere. maybe we would have been a .500 team. big deal.
i think u have to see the big picture and remember that we werent going anywhere than, and even if we dont get the big fish, we are no worse off than we were last year and if anything we at least have a capable GM in charge of lots of cap room. and that sounds like a good backup plan to me.
There’s a little blind optimism in Donnie – I think it is better to cautious until results are shown – and trading away Jamal and Randolph – who have been traded since – is not exactly that big – getting rid of JJ or Eddy – then I would have more faith.
And it’s not exactly encouraging the draft picks so far – so I do not get all of the “little” blind optimism in Donnie just yet.
All of the eggs are in one basket – for 2010 – they have even said that it is 2010 is the plan. I’m sorry – but coming away with less than one of the big three (Bron-bron, Wade, or Bosh) or a combo of Johnson/Redd and Amare – it will be disappointing. Dirk is getting older and Cuban is not letting him go anywhere.
I dont understand why it would be a disapointment???
we would not be any worse off. at the very least we would have money to make moves…
I Agree again. Walsh is our G.M. Nobody was dying when we got under the Cap. Nobody at draft time was dying when we didn’t draft Jennings, We all Wanted Curry or Rubio or Tyreke evans. This year is all ab out getting further under the Cap. Hill and the rest will play plenty once we move Eddy and JJ and whoever else.
I don’t understand what the big deal is. AI would not have brought us any closer to a championship. He would have made us a little more exciting but who cares about exciting if you don’t win games. I want to win championships. You don’t do that by taking away shots from younger players and from the one guy who can single handily can give us a chance at a star player by just being trade.
I think the main mistake they did was letting people know they were interested. I think it fooled alot of fans. I also don’t believe it was Dolan who nixed it. I think Donnie was split and when Dolan thought it was a bad idea, Donnie decided against it. I also believe that Tmac having a falling out with rockets also had a great impact. Tmac is younger and safer plus could get us out from JJ or Curry’s contract.
No way is Ellis coming here that is the only thing I would disagree with. If only Chris Mullin was still there.
Why is it wrong that Donnie was open in his deliberations about Iverson? The previous regime, and the one before that, barely talked to the press compared to this one. And they did so because they knew that things like “changing your mind” or “not being sure” are crucified by the press.
So Donnie was open about what his thinking was at each time, unlike previous regimes. What’s wrong with that? I LOVE it! It was a hard decision, and now I know that originally it wasn’t on the table, then it was, and then it wasn’t. This notion of them toying with fans emotions is just silly – they’re just open and honest and that’s a GOOD thing.
I hate to say it, but Isiah Thomas managed the Knicks like an average ‘fan’ would. He wanted ‘exciting’ and ‘big splash’ and stuff like that. Donnie has a plan which he’s stated from the start, and he’s sticking to it.
Criticise him for not playing Hill. Criticise him for not signing Iverson, but don’t criticise him for openly pondering it and changing his mind. Especially when that change of mind was clearly inspired by his very open long term plan.
post of the week candidate…right here.
Oh lord.
*rolls eyes*
Mecca of basketball? Ah ah ah, for what? Winning nba titles? For having planetary famous players? Well, the knicks are famous just because is newyork and not for the basketball team itself which only happened to play some playoffs games vs the great MJ. And in the last 15 years? Blank! So please knicks fans, say a big thank you to this men who are trying to rebuild a team, a concept, an honour. All of these things disappeared for ages. I mean, just be positive!
Big respect for pat ewing of course, the only real all star we had in 20 yrs. Unfortunately playing at the same time of Hakeem…….
I can’t believe, tough I respect their opinions, when people say they feel betrayed by Donnie Walsh. From the day he took over his job he asked all of us Knicks fans to be patient. He practicly gave us the warning that “it’s a tough road ahead” and I have to say more than 90% of us Knicks fan signed on and supported him. We all agreed to the… 2010 plan. So why are people bashing him for not making the 2009 Knicks a championship team? Better yet, how do people think ANY GM OF THE WORLD would be able to do that? GM’s around the league aren’t waiting on the edge of their sits for a chance to HELP the Knicks get better. People won’t just take our bad contracts for the heck of it. So I personally don’t blame DW for not being able to make those fantasy trades we always talk about. But if he did in fact said the plan is for 2010, why should I feel betrayed by him? I prepared myself since the moment he said that. Patient is the key here.
And one other thing, 2010 will be YEAR 1 of the rebuilding process. Not the year when the Knicks win the championship. Why? Because the plan is to get cap space in order to start putting together A BASKETBALL TEAM. We have lots of needs in different positions. It’s not a matter of ONE FREE AGENT. And that’s something else I disagree with most fans too. Sure, LeBron would be great to have with us… but he won’t bring a championship with him. At least not by himself. Having a star player on your team does NOTHING, just ask Cleveland. Just ask the Lakers. You need two or three studs and then you need the supporting cast. Next Year is YEAR 1 where DW will try to find at least the first one of those studs and is already working on the supporting cast, guys that could get the job done but don’t need to be great (TD, Hill, Chandler, Gallo). If they pan out and become great… then that would be… well… great. But other moves need to come AFTER THAT. That just step one. And none of those moves can be done right now. Right now is all about getting in the best position to make that happen.
This is not going to be a matter of one or two year guys, depending on how well DW moves starting JULY 2010 we’ll get to know just how long it will take.
Signing Iverson now, trading for T Mac now, nothing of that affects the team I want to see in the future. The team DW hopes to build in the future… and most of all the team WE DESERVE in the future.
So why bitch and moan now? Stick it up and let’s wait. Whatever this team does this year won’t hurt us in the future, and after this we won’t have to worry about no Jerome James contract, no Jeffries contract, no Curry’s weight, etc.
big big post by all points of view. bravo jg2112
Exactly. great post
You are a fan who gets it.
Congratulations.
How can everyone act so surprised we are losing this year?
Obviously we can all see the positives in this situation, but you only have to look at Memphis to see what problems this could bring.
In only three games, Iverson made Memphis into a complete circus. The Knicks are a big enough mess as it is, we dont need Iverson quotes in the paper every day. Every team passed on AI except for Memphis. Most players would say “thanks for the opportunity I will prove the rest of the league wrong”. Iverson demands to start, argues with the coach, its just frustrating. Now you have extra pressure on Conley and Mayo, your young guys you’re trying to build around, because they know Iverson wants to start in their places.
It’d be one thing if we’re talking about even a 30 year old Iverson, but at 34 how much is it going to help?
Some people only look at the numbers, yes, it’s not crazy to risk the vet minimum on a guy like Iverson financially, but then you risk turning the team into a circus for just a few extra wins next year. Adding another guy who needs the ball to be effective is a recipe for disaster – you have already have two undersized point guards who need the ball to be effective. Add in Hughes and Harrington, there are only so many touches to go around.