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Spoke to someone who knows the Rockets situation very well and the word out of Houston is that if General Manager Daryl 
Morey decides to deal Tracy McGrady, specifically to New York, he would only be looking for expiring contracts in return at this point.
“…The only reason I could see McGrady going to the Knicks would be for cap relief and expiring contracts,” the source said…”
Which means that Eddy Curry wouldn’t fit that bill. The Knicks do have expiring contracts, but does it make sense to bring in McGrady, who still hasn’t returned from injury if it doesn’t rid them of Curry or even Jared Jeffries? Especially when you consider the team just turned down the chance to bring in Allen Iverson.
The Rockets do seem a logical fit because they need a center, but at 8-6 the team may not be ready to do anything just yet. That said the Knicks could present a package that saves the Rockets some money longer term.
Say Curry, Mobley’s deal, a 2010 second round pick and a 2012 (protected?) 1st rounder?
Stay tuned.
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I would still trade for him.
Whenever he returns from an injury he dominates for the first couple of months…then he gets another injury
Story of McGradys life…..
I we traded him, he could come back, dominate as a Knick, and make it easier to get rid of Curry/Jeffries
He can become a go-to option we need.
Wrong Basket Robinson
DNP Darko
Cutheart Mobley
for
Tracy McGrady
Darko and Mobley – why not.
that’ll never happen
It depends – if the Knicks trade a big man like Al Harrington or even David Lee for Tracy McGrady (McGrady + X in D. Lee’s case) my answer might be YES. Because Jordan Hill needs to play.
If not I wouldn’t do it. We need those $7-$10 mill contracts to (theorically) attach Eddy Curry to another player in a trade scenario.
maybe Curry, mobley a second rounder this year and a 2012 first?
We have to stop the cycle of throwing away 1st round picks for undeserving players, even if its just to rid ourselves of Curry.
If we are that confident that we can get a max player and 2nd tier star then there’s no need to give up a valuable commodity.
Also we can’t assume that the 2012 pick will be in the upper twenties, we don’t know how the 2010 free agency and the 2011 season are going to go.
see below…and let’s not forget the magnitude of moving curry’s deal.
disagree…getting rid of curry’s contract is huge. I would throw in a 2012 1st, because hopefully (which i’m banking on) we will be a playoff team by then.
Hmm interesting idea of attaching draft picks to get rid of Curry, but I rather stop dealing away 1st rd draft picks. It reminds me too much of Isaiah.
And of course they have to say they are only willing to trade him away for an expiring. But if the right deal comes along I think they are willing to take on an extra year (probably not Curry, but maybe Jeffries).
You’d give away two draft picks to get curry off the books one year early? I hear Isiah’s hiring down at FIU.
yes, it’s only a year, but 2010 is the arguably the biggest free agent class in history. With Curry off the books, we will be able to sign an additional big time FA.
and you said 2 draft picks…remember one of them is a 2nd rounder and the other is in 2012, which will probably be a mid-late first rounder since we will probably be a playoff team by then
No way this happens. Rockets only need a center for this year — Yao is back next season. Darryl Morey is waaaaayyyyy too smart to take on Curry. And we need to stop giving away draft picks, anyway.
wow, but moving allows them to acquire one this year and it opens up the door for 2 max and by 2012 things will be a little different.
Yao is a huge question mark…and he can split minutes with curry.
Curry is 100% the opposite of the type of player Houston typically looks for. Even though Curry is an efficient scorer, he can’t rebound, block shots, pass, or play defense and he turns the ball over and fouls way too much.
Houston tends to look for players that do all the little things extremely well with less of a focus on scoring. Then they play smart enough to score efficiently with those less talented offensive players.
Curry simply doesn’t fit over there.
I’d be shocked beyond belief if Houston management isn’t screaming with laughter just at the mere suggestion of them bringing in Curry for this year AND NEXT!.
There is a better shot of trading Jeffries. Even though Jeffries is 90% useless, he does defend certain types of players well. Even though they would probably puke at the idea, if we sweetened it enough, they could at least find a few minutes for him from time to time.
This is exactly right. Curry is a one-dimensional player — he scores and does nothing else. The Rockets have developed all types of statistical models to show a player’s real value, which is why they have success with a starting five that seems a lot worse than ours. The Rockets are the type of team that would go and get someone nobody thinks is that good, only for him to be the perfect addition. Kind of like what they always do (Scola, Battier, Landry, Hayes, Brooks, Budinger, even Ariza). They are also quick to get rid of problem children (Rafer Alston).
Yes, Jeffries can guard the best pg’s in the league, and most of all he’s developed a 3pt shot.
“wow, but moving allows them to acquire one this year and it opens up the door for 2 max and by 2012 things will be a little different”
exactly what i think/wrote
as they stand now with the cap, the team may not be able to acquire a late round pick as it’s guaranteed against the cap…
Curry, Curry, Curry.
Otherwise, this deal NEEDS to be dead. It makes absolutely no sense for us. If it’s gonna be Mobley, it needs to happen now. Doesn’t look good. Unless the Rockets fade some and Curry plays lights out, it’ll be hard to move him even with Lee and Chandler if this intel is true.
It gives us a go-to guy and leadership.
Think they will forget about expiring if we give them Chandler? Chandler, Mobley and Curry?
I look at it as,whoever we are giving away now would be to land another 2010 max free agent…so whatever scenarios are thrown out there, just replace t-macs name with LBJ, wade or bosh and then see if it’s worth it…if i were lebron i’d feel much better about leaving the cavs if wade or bosh was coming to nyc with me
that is only if curry or jj are included in these trade scenarios..make it happen dw!
I absolutely would not do this deal if Curry or Jeffries is not included, here’s why:
A. We would be giving away valuable trade assets needed to spice up someone to take Curry or Jeffries contracts.
B It would be a slap in the face to Leon Rose(A.I, Lebron’s) agent, don’t wanna rub him the wrong way. We could have took A.I who wouldn’t cost us anything. That would really let them know that telling them no, because we want to develop our players was definately an excuse. Yes, I know it actually was, but you don’t want to really expose that.
C. It would definately be getting away from the 2010 plan, which is to free up as much cap space as possible, so we can offer 2 max contracts, or build a nice team of 2 tier players.
So in conclusion, if Houston doesn’t want Jeffries or Curry, I say no! Thats a deal breaker.
Another point is, why waste trade assets if there not gonna take Curry or Jeffries, when you can just sign him in the summer if all else fails?
because tmac is an expiring…we won’t sign mcgrady in the summer basically because we won’t have enough cap room and it just wouldn’t be worth the risk
I don’t think it makes sense to take McGrady unless we are getting rid of Curry or Jeffries.
On a different topic, one idea I have been thinking about today – what do you think Utah’s pricetag is on our pick? I mean the starting point would be our 2011 pick, then maybe a chandler and take back one of their shitty contracts to match. Or maybe Lee or Nate? And some cash and a 2nd rounder this year.
I know this is a long shot, but this pick to me symbolizes the hell of this decade of Knicks basketball. If we could somehow reaquire it going into the 2010 off season, it would be huge. This would be the biggest move Donnie could make outside of trading for Lebron this season.
For the Jazz, they would add cash, a young talented player, a 2nd rounder for this year, and then another 1st rounder in 2011 just probably not as high in the lottery as 2010. So to wait a year and drop back in the lottery, the Jazz are getting cash and two extra players. Great trade? Not exactly, but not absolutely crazy.
i feel your pain, escpecially since their is no incentive in losing this year (no draft pick obviously), but i don’t think there is any way we’re getting that pick back.
This would work for:
Darko
Mobley
Du-Du Chris Duhon (Man…Tommy can you tell I want him off this team)
For T-Mac
i would do this like yesterday with a 2nd rounder, no first…
Trade Checker via Real
http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/
Yo, you kill me when you call him du-du. I LMAO everytime bro.
haha, yeah because his game stinks like du du
YOU guys are nuts if you think Curry can be moved that quick after 2 games…..
Its all about trade deadline deals…. Play Curry as much as possible and pray he has no injuries. He looks good out there and , in time, his trade value will only get higher .
TMac is injury prone , bad back , and , in my opinion a Francis type of “was once a stellar player but now washed up ” Only PT on the court can determine how could or bad that deal , if any , might be .
Seems more likely that Houston would go for darko, mobley ,duhon …all expiring rather than absorb Curry’s deal
Deadline is where we will see where thing are . At 2-10 we really dont have much negotiating power
Just my POV. We need some luck a la Boston
No way. Rockets are the ones in the desperate situation of trying to move TMac. There is no other scenario out there that gets Rockets what they want.
Unless Rockets take Curry or Jeffries, Knicks should pass. They’ll do better with players they have. Hughes might be better than TMac right now.
No Curry or Jeffries….no trade. Walk away.
TOTALLY AGREE. This is the correct position to be taken negotiating in this situation. Even if McGrady can show he is still has a star game, it makes no sense to get him. Our deals are expiring and we gain nothing if we don’t dump Curry and/or JJ. That said moving Curry is paramount. Having the ability to sign 2 max deals means a better opportunity to sign the right (impact) star because they will be more willing to come knowing that we can pair them with another (hopefully complimentary star, ie a big or a wing). I’d even bear keeping Curry the extra year knowing that his contract will be up the next year. We may again be in position to sign another max deal in 2011.
Let’s see what develops near the deadline.
we will have enough to sign cp3 or melo, i think. better chance of landing cp3 because of his situation.
curry will not be traded unless he starts averaging 10+ points every game with D…
daryl isn’t stupid
the only way he’s going to take contracts pass this season is if it’s worth it..
Of course they wouldn’t want eddy curry. I literally laughed out loud everytime I saw that mentioned on this site.
Let’s put on our rose colored glasses please. Reason being, we all want our team to win a Chip sometime in the coming years. 2 max deals allows the possibility, so let the news and fan blogs praise Curry to give our team whatever help we can. If he stinks @ MSG, for the sake of thirsty Knicks fans…don’t boo him!
Get my drift?
Let’s try this: He’s a tremendous low post talent, thinner than he’s been in years…he’ll get in bball shape and be a strong asset to the team…but we’ll miss him less if we can sign 2 stars.
GMs aren’t stupid, but the media has influence. A ‘lil fan propoganda can’t hurt. Where are my fellow Knicks fans that are desperate for a CHIP in their lifetime?.
I’M WITH YOU
rockets only want expiring deals? but McGrady is an expiring deal.. so why would they want to do a two or three for one when they get no players or cap
relief?
If they are that unhappy with McGrady just buy him out and send him on his way.. that at least saves them a mil or so on the buyout.
I cant imagine them asking for a #1 with a straight face given McGrady’s injury situation and history. Maybe there is a chance that he misses the required time to become an insurance covered contract. (one full year injured)
I would do just about anything to get rid of Curry’s deal including packaging a future #1 pick and a young player if necessary. Just think of it as getting a max deal player as a second fiddle to lebron for a future number one.
That’s correct. But, again my bargaining position would reflect the Comment by JeffFinance123 a few messages back. But, yeah…I’d throw in a few picks to sweeten the deal if I had to…but If all else fails, isn’t a buyout still an option to get the cap space at the end of the season? not sure but, If so, I’d buyout whoever is the lesser of the basketball assets and hold onto our picks.
Problem with sending Curry or JJ to the rocket for a T-Mac deal….it doesn’t work under the collective bargaining agreement unless the Rockets give up more….
I don’t see them that desperate to give up one of their good players in a trade with T-Mac….
Word JASONHAYES…
Would love to see Du-Du go tho…that dude right there should just pretend he is injured already and bench himself like Jerome James did. That’s how bad he is in this system…
gee i wonder where he got the name DU DU from?
I wouldn’t give away any picks or young talent to get rid of Curry. It’s not worth it. If worst case scenario happens, and Curry can’t be traded at deadline straight up, just keep em. He’ll then be an expiring contract during summer 2010….teams looking for a big expirer might have different talent to throw Knicks way, or absolute worst case, Curry expires 2011, or Knicks keep him and have another big man.
No reason to force giving Curry away.
There is NO WAY Tracy McGrady gets traded to another team just for expirers. In the whole league, I see MAYBE two plausible scenarios and that is it. One is TMac to Nets for Simmons, Battie, Hassel….does either team want to do that?
Other scenario is TMac to to Bulls for Miller and James. But Bulls need Miller. So I don’t see that happening either.
That’s it. No other “All expiring contract” scenarios out there. Hughes/Jeffries or Hughes/Curry might be Rockets best bet. Solid talent back and only one more year of a contract.
Aren’t the Rockets trying to win? No one cares about winning anymore, just contracts. Just weird. Rockets are a playoff team and STILL won’t make a move to get more talent in for TMac’s contract….bizarre.
No chance Knicks should trade for McGrady. He is owed 20M and with the Lux tax that Houston is in, its 40M that they will pay out because of him. No way we relieve them of that benefit without them taking back Curry (wouldnt even do it for JJ).
Curry & Mobily (80% insured contract) for Mcgrady helps us for 2010 and helps them by saving 12+M in luxury tax.
Sounds like everyone is an agreement. We would jump at the chance for T Mac but only if Curry and JJ goes. If it means Chandler, Hughes, Harrington or Lee is needed to rid us of Curry or JJ then so be it. T Mac motivated playing in MSG will be on a whole nother level than anything we have on the team. And who knows Lebron and T Mac sounds great to me a possible poor mans Pippen and Jordan.
Meant to post my rant here -
Realist here to give some realist thoughts and blueprints for the future.
First – stop with the talk about T-Mac/Houston/ and Eddy Curry – not happening – this is not a video game. Curry will not have any value until next season when he becomes an expiring contract.
Without moving either Jefferies or Curry before this summer (which looks bleak b/c – here’s the question no one can convincingly answer – Donnie has made clearing cap space for 2010 his no.1 priority – so if he had a deal in the works – one would think it would have happened already – he’s not just waiting around for the perfect deal – b/c he sure was not waiting on the perfect deal for Crawford and Randolph – he unloaded those two the first instance the Clippers and Warrior bought) – so without moving either Jefferies or Curry – we have only room for one max contract – especially if the CAP is between 50-53 million which given this economy it probably will be. So the Knicks probably get Joe Johnson – that’s it – see ya.
Now Joe Johnson gets plugged into – wait for it – wait for it – PG. That’s right – he played some in Phoenix and nows Mike D’s system.
We also take the hit and humiliation and bitterness of not having our 2010 draft pick – oh well – we’ve been down this road before – hopefully the pick turns into another Tyrus Thomas for the Jazz.
So we go into 2010-11 season with a lineup comprised of the following:
Johnson, PG
Douglas, SG/PG
Chandler, SF
Gallo, F
Hill, C/F
Curry, C
Jefferies, F/C
and then some other guys
Maybe Harrington comes back on reduced contract – who knows.
Here is where we can start really planning for the future – b/c I think it is during the 2011-12 season where the NBA happens for us.
Curry and Jefferies can either be now traded during the 2010-11 season b/c of their expiring contracts or we wait till after that season and look for FAs (doubt Dwight Howard – maybe Melo – maybe see if Chris Paul is being dangled more – heard rumors he might wind up a Laker down the road).
Now I do not think 2010-11 we are a playoff team – so back in the lottery. Maybe we trade Curry/and or Jefferies’ expiring contracts for a good potential lottery team. What I would strive for is potentially look at the 2011 lottery – b/c it could be loaded again w/ the likes of Harrison Barnes, maybe Xavier Henry stays his sophmore season at Kansas (not many KU freshman leave – especially under Bill Self), also Ohio State has another huge big man coming up next year who could be a high draft pick. who knows maybe Ed Davis stays three years in college.
Just some thoughts for a Monday night – but this talk about Houston and T-Mac – people keep saying it makes too much sense – YEAH FOR THE KNICKS BUT NOT THE ROCKETS – they do not want to be stuck with the contract next year – they are free of McGrady’s deal – all 22 million of it next year – they do not want to be free of just the 11 million by then taking on Eddy’s contract.
PEACE.
Yo Realist_
Your point is about the 11 million is incorrect if Mobley’s contract is ruled by the league to come off the books this year. If you include Mobleys contract in the trade then the Rockets would save the 11 mill they owe to Curry next year in luxury tax this year, because of their current cap situation. So technically, the overall savings in lux tax would wash out the 11 million they would owe Curry next year. We do not know the current situation with Mobleys contract and they will rule on it this week, so if a trade happens it will be soon.
Mobleys inclusion and ruling by the league on his contract is KEY in this trade happening with Curry involved.
I am not sure, and maybe some of the other bloggers can help me with this questions, is if the Knicks can trade Mobleys contract to the Rockets after the ruling from the league? If the league rules that the contract is eligible to come off the cap this year are the Knicks obligated to keep the contract and save the cap savings or can they still trade it? Any help>>>
Im in the ‘why not’ group… The possibility of a comeback itself is an upgrade over whatever it is we have going on in our back court right now. As long as one of the expirings isn’t Al, (one of the only competetive players on our team right now), then “why not?”
I’m not surprised at those who want tmac. There the same ones who loved the
Antonio McDyess deal. Tmac is another broken down shell of a great player. If he could still ball don’t you think that the rockets would still want him?? Tmac is damaged goods. He’s been hurt for three years straight now. Tommy I’m surprised at you for this post. And sissapointed that you would even consider including a 1st round pick for tmac
T Mac is not bad everytime he plays he plays good. The key word is when because he always gets hurt.
I don’t mind getting McGrady so long as we are not trading away draft picks. That is not the way to go. If its to dump Eddy Curry and/or Jared Jefferies then I’m all for trading for McGrady.
the knicks have to get rid of Jeffries and Curry, but not by adding T Mac’s contract, he is getting old, and is always hurt. The Knicks are not getting Lebron or Wade simply because those guys want to win. If we get rid of Jefries and Curry we ahve enough for two max contracts. The best option would be to sign Joe Johnson and Chris Bosh for next year.
Starting Five
Douglas
Johnson
Chandler
Danillo
Bosh
Not good enough for a championship, but then with their draft pick next year they can get a true center.
Why would Joe Johnson leave Atlanta? He gets to play with Bibby, Smith, Horford, Williams, etc. That team is overflowing with young talent.
so what if we add tmac contract..HELLOOOO, its an expiring…his contract nunmber-20mil or even 70 mil- is irrelevant
I know that I might be starting a small war here but why trade Curry??
We don’t have a true center and Curry is one of few that distorts another teams defense. keep Curry and workout a better contract. Everyone is so hyped about adding two max free agents but I think it’s better to sign two good players and use the flexibility that having cap space provides and work some trades
The D’A offense doesn’t use or require a true center. It needs an Amar’e type (i.e.: the modern center; quick, athletic, explosive)…
Didn’t Donnie Walsh already say that he isn’t using Mobley’s contract in any trades??
Its clear that Mike D does not know how to employ Darko’s talents, I bet Alderman would get a lot out of Darko.
I just dont like the Mike’s offense and bringing in TMac other than for salary relief i dont see how he would thrive in it. TMac is like Lebron and those guys that have to dominate the ball, another reason Im not understanding Mike’s system for LBJ or Wade?
I still cant understand how “the point guard of knicks information” keeps pushing this possibility like its not the most ludicrous trade proposal in recent history.
Tommy, Isiah isn’t the GM of the Rockets.. If he was, then maybe this trade could happen.