Kobe: Knicks never had “The Man”…

that statement was ludicrous, patrick is one of the greatest to ever play the game, yeah he never won ( but neither did malone, stockton,barkley and etc, btw darko has a ring so that’s no longer sacred)

kobe only has 4 rings cuz he has played with all stars (future hall of famers his whole career), even last year he had better players on his team than patrick EVER had gasol >>>oakley, odom >>mason,smith, fisher >>starks..the list goes on, Patrick never had a great squad to back him , even Jordan couldnt win a ring by himself, ask Lebron he’ll tell you how important that is

Side Note:

Kobe’s NBA is far easier than Patrick’s was, for example you cant even hand check a guy in the perimiter anymore, can you imagine the damager Pat could do NOW with all the new rules in place in favor of the player??

Not to mention Ewing played in the big man era where almost every team had a star center (hakeem, mourning, young shaq, smits, mutombo…) Who does Dwight have to play against, Davied Lee at center??!!! what a joke

Its the same thing with Lebron wanting the league to retire MJ’s 23. Young players only think that the only NBA stars were MJ, Magic, Bird.

its like Hockey, they altered the rule to increase scoring, so if/when crosby passes “the great one” no one should see that at crosby being superior player

for example, look at dwayne wade, he is one of the leaders in fta per game, if he played in the ewing/jordan era, those BS fouls would decrease by at least half, dropping his ppg average, same thing with Kobe, the game he put up 81 he took almost 30 FTs!!made i think 19 of them, just taking 19 FTs was unheard of in the 90s

I think you guys are not hearing what he’s saying. Patrick was a great player, a HOF’er no question, a Top 50 player etc., but he was never a “flashy or marquee guy”. Fans from opposing arenas weren’t clamoring for tickets to see Ewing on the road the way they did to see Jordan, Kobe, Magic or Bird.

I think the difference is Ewing always needed someone to get him the ball, whereas players like the aforementioned could take over the game in crunch time and often would end games bringing the ball up the floor or taking it up top and isolating at times to create their own shot or one for a teammate.

I have more than my share of painful memories of the Knicks trying desperately to get Ewing the ball in the post at the end of games only to have it fumbled away or stolen.

As for Clyde, he played in a totally different era and was one of the most soft spoken players to play at that time. He deferred to “The Captain” Willis Reed and was the ultimate team player, he was only “flashy” off the court with his wardrobe and lifestyle.

So when he says the Knicks never had a star, I think he is talking more about a player who could take over a game at any time AND was a big draw at the box office. The Knicks arguably have never had that “flashy or marquee guy” in THAT respect.

I assume he meant best in the league, once in a generation like players like LeBron, himself, and Dwyane Wade. And no, Ewing was not that. He was just an extremely good big man.

Not if your name was Michael James Jordan.

Kobe never has anything to say that’s of any value. He comes off as an arrogant jerk most of the time. Frazier was better than him. And Reed and DeBussch were as great as it gets.

I just got tix to see the Lakers and Warriors this Saturday. Monta Ellis was on fire last night. The Warriors’ team chemistry is all the sudden great since they traded Jax. Dallas folded in the 4th q. The young Warriors even with Biedrins and Azubuike out are dynamite.

Wow.
Ewing was a “marquee guy” from the minute he stepped into the league. . .but obviously, no he wasn’t as good as the others because they had championships and all-time great supporting casts.

Which is why Hakeem should be mentioned with them too. Another guy who wasn’t “flashy”

“flashy” he was not, but bird wasn’t “flashy” either. Neither was Bernard King.

“flashy” means “star attraction”

Nique was “flashy” but not a great player. Sugar Ray RIchardson was “flashy”

Flashy does not mean “all time great”

i’m not going to even comment on that nonsense. Kobe know the Ewing was mote than a Great Player.

now abot that game last night:

Some people get it and some people don’t. DumbAntoni doesn’t get it. If you watched the game and I mean really evaluate the game. You should have noticed that Bynum and Gasol destroyed this team on the inside. It is the same for every game we played this year. The opposing team’s game plan is to abuse the 6’9” David Lee in the post. Everyone with half a brain thought that DumbAntoni would match up against them. But DumbAntoni is stuck with Wilson Chandler or Gallo guarding Gasol. Coach DumbAntoni’s game plan was to beat this team from the perimeter. I noticed that when the rookie Jordan Hill was guarding Bynum, he was not as effective. If DumBAntoni insists on playing small at least he should play Jordan hill at the PF position and give Dlee some help. I’m surprised Gallo did not reinjure his back trying to guard the 7 foot Gasol. But it is the same poor coaching and poor execution from the Knicks. Wilson Chandler and Duhon were just horrible.

I can understand what he’s saying.

Patrick Ewing is a LEGEND, but he was not flashy. The fact that he didn’t win a championship reinforces that.

And the NBA glorifies Abdul-Jabbar and Chamberlain, but only the connaisseurs know Willis Reed.

I disagree with Kobe Bryant though, I CAN understand his comments but Patrick Ewing was a STAR, PERIOD.

Yup. D’A is probably trying to get the vets to play better and bring Hill and Douglas along slowly. But Jeffries and Duhon suck and don’t deserve to play, so bring on the rooks now, D’A. Harrington is too erratic — he was horrible too, and I’ll give Curry a but of break for being rusty, but at his best his basketball IQ is dismal. D’A needs to instruct his pt guards to feed Gallo, and Gallo needs to stop jacking 25′ shots unless he’s wide open, and try to get closer to the hoop. Chandler does not have the fire needed to be an NBA starter. He’s just too timid and shy. What can they do to bring his beast out?

Kobe is wildly overrated by the fans and media because he can score a lot of different ways. I’m not sure he’s even one of the ten best players in the league right NOW based on his actual contribution to winning , let alone ever. Gasol is almost as important to LA as Kobe.

Guys like James, Wade, CP3, Garnett (when healthy) and others are WAY more valuable than Kobe because they play more efficiently and effectively.

The year Eddy was playing well, he and Jamal Craword led Knicks swept Kobe and Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom, Eddy is REAAAL rusty, can he dunk on one foot? The pass Nate gave him at the end of the half or quarter should have been a dunk.

Kobe’s statement is foolish but he may mean the Knicks never had freelancing type guys like himself, Wade of LeBron. Spreewell was pretty good. Clyde and Earl were great but that was before Kobe’s time, was he even born yet when the Knicks last won the title, I dont think so.

DAntoni is stubborn you got 7footers towering looking down on ur guys yet u leave ur countermoves on the bench, because ur style is not conducive to their natural NBA game play, its called adjustments. Scrap the 7 seconds mess, lest run traditional style gameplay with the personnel you have

Duhon and Chandler are below average starters and are killing us almost every night.

I’d much rather have Douglas and Hill playing. They can’t be worse, may be better, and we have to develop them anyway.

Guys this is alittle off topic but regaurding dantoni rotation I believe the reason the rooks aren’t playing much is to show case the vets. Afterthe trade deadline I believe you will see hill td gallo will if he is still Here getting MAJOR mins. After watching the game last night it’s so evident they are freezing out gallo. I understand he stands in the corner but when he is wide open he doesn’t get the rock till he is d up then he gets the ball and have to pass it again or try a contested j. Why isn’t the ball in his hands more? He is a terrific passer he should handle the ball more. Hill looked very active last night and is ready to play BUT more importantly we have to show case the vets for trade the rookies time will come after the trade dead line

i understand what kobe is saying and im not gonna be bias while i do love the big fella he wasnt a top 5 guy in the league at that time even though he was a top center he wasnt THE top center… never won an mvp i mean when he was in the league there was olajuwan, david robinson, even a young shaq

I wonder what Kobe thinks of Duncan if he’s flashy,if he’s talking about Majic,Jordan ,Wade or himself ,yea we didn’t but Ewing was the first pick in the draft and was a great player like Ducan so while not flashy in his eyes both would be wellcome on any team.In a team game we had our share of great players and you need more than one flashy player to win it all.

I disagree.

Kobe doesn’t even get the calls James and Wade get from the refs. And these guys play in the EAST.

Bryant led Lamar Odom, Luke Walton and Smush Parker to the playoffs in the Western Conference and almost beat the Suns in the first round series in 2006 or 2007.

Wade led the Heat to the playoffs in the EAST with Beasley, Marion/O’Neal and Haslem (lost in the first round as well) and he’s MORE valuable than Kobe??

I don’t think so.

Duncan has 4 rings and 2 MVP trophies.

Ewing?

I watched a show about BIG MEN and the legends were there except Kareem and Hakeem and they were talking to Greg Oden.

Bill Walton told Patrick you just never got help and Pat said I wont say anything but Bill said well Im saying it you never got the help. Pat Riley’s stubborness cost us in Game 7 vs Houston. Hubert Davis needed more playing time that game, you think Im still HEATED . Maybe just maybe even though he was on his last legs with Ewing we would have beat San Antonio, one thing I noticed during those years was a lot of Knicks would be scared to fail, so they would pass it to Pat and let him take the heat and shoot.

Rene the championship years the Knicks were definitely a GREAT TEAM and played a team game

Gentlemen, I beg to differ. Bernard King was a STAR! A once in a generation type player.

perfect…

Having “the man” on this team isn’t what’s stopping Knicks now or back in Ewings day. “The man” won’t win a championship, flashy or otherwise. It’s the team that wins the chip. Ewing was the man but he didn’t have ensembles like the Bulls and Rockets. Kobe was “the man” in his prime on the Lakers from 04 to 07 and they didn’t win squat. A championship takes “the man” plus other men and Kobe’s Lakers are proof positive of that. Kobe was crying and demanding a trade before they brought in Gasol for circus peanuts.

The Knicks need men before they get “the man.”

that’s what i always tell the Ewing haters, u need a squad and our GM failed to assemble one for Patrick

Concur wholeheartlly

Even when Shaq was with Kobe, they had men that knew their roles and they all contributed

You are making it sound like I said Kobe is bad. I didn’t say he is bad. He’s just nowhere near as good as James and not as good as Wade and others either. Just look at their stats from last year side to side and you’ll see that those guys are much more efficient scorers and do more of the other things too.

They were one player away from winning a championship.

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Knicks or Lakers?

kobe smoking that good cali weed saying ny never had a star
i think he’s trying to say the knicks never had a big commercial star.

he def smoking something..

No I know Bryant’s a good player from your POV.

If you want to compare Wade and Bryant – let’s take a look at their stats in a similar situation :

2005-2006 KOBE BRYANT :

-Led SMUSH PARKER, LAMAR ODOM, KWAME BROWN AND LUKE WALTON to the playoffs in a strong Conference and almost beat the Phoenix Suns in the first round series.

- 35.4 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 4.5 APG, 1.8 SPG, 3.1 TPG

2008-2009 DWYANE WADE :

- Led Mario Chalmers, Michael Beasley, Udonis Haslem and Jermaine O’Neal (a BETTER starting line-up) to the playoffs in a weaker Conference and almost beat the Atlanta Hawks in the first round series.

- 30.2 PPG, 5 RPG, 7.5 APG, 2.2 SPG, 3.4 TPG

The stats are quite similar, you can’t tell me that Wade was more valuable to the Miami Heat last season than Kobe Bryant to the Lakers in 2006. And Wade arguably (clearly imo) had a better supporting cast and a lighter schedule (East).

Knicks

Maybe he’s too young and cocky to remember Frazier, Reed, Monroe or Ewing….
Thats the problem with today’s players, no real knowledge of the past nor any real respect unless its Michael Jordan.

I agree. Ewing played in what was perhaps the greatest era of basketball. He had some good help but not as much as other teams. Magic, Bird, Jordan, Olajuwan, Thomas, Wilkins, Barkley, Reggie, Malone, Robinson, Drexler, Mourning, Payton. All great players during Ewings time, all on different teams. Only the first 5 got rings while being “the man” on their team. Drexler got a ring with Houston but Hakeem was arguably “the man” on that team. I don’t care how good you are, you need great teammates to be win in a league like that. That’s without mentioning sidekicks like Pippen, Stockton, KJ, Kemp, etc. Who was Ewing’s greatest sidekick? Starks? Larry Johnson?

Ewing was the man, just not Kobe’s version of “the man”

It’s a team sport, remember? Kobe can’t do it on his own. He’s full of it.

maybe if patrick wereaccused of RAPE ,he would have been more recognizable

Whats Tommy Dee, Saw you at Fordham a couple of weeks ago scouting.

I think what Kobe meant was; the knicks never had a top three player, a superstar. Clyde, Willis, Monroe and Ewing were all very good but were they top three or four in the league. Even 1973 the knicks did not have a top three player. Wilt, Jerry West, Cowens, John Havlicek and Kareem were all considered better. I know Willis won the MVP in 69 but that award is usually given to the best player on the best team.
When the Knicks had Ewing, there better players in the league, Jordan, Barkley, Malone etc. He was not even in the top three centers there was Hakeem, D.Robinson and Shaq.
I left this for last….Now the one player the Knicks had on that level but his time with the knicks was too short. People still talk about his games and how he almost carried the Knicks over the Celts in the playoffs. THE KING BABY.

I’s amazing how everybody loves Patrick Ewing today, but back when he was playing he was the man everybody loved to hate and the epitome to many fans of why the Knicks failed to win a championship in his era.

kobe made a mistake, with this mistake he’s showing his ego. He’s wrong. LeBron hasn’t won because there’s better teams out there. Same thing happened to Ewing.

Its a shame Boss Bernie and Big Patrick didnt get a chance at a title

People who know hoops know that Frazier, Reed and Debusch in their prime were as great as it gets. I saw them and they were all-round phenoms who played the game right and just didn’t style or amass stats — Red was the genius behind the team ball success. Their 1-2 championships prove it, and the fact that they won more games from ’69 – ’74 cements it (of course the Pearl was not there all those years). Those other players were all-time greats too, but only a few were slightly better over the spans of their careers, but I would say no one was better than the Knix 3 in their primes. The Pearl’s prime came before he joined the Knix (his knees and ankles were going bad), and Clyde was only slightly better than him back then.

I think that Ewing was not as good as Reed, Moses, Kareem, Robinson, Shaq or Hakeem. Can’t compare or say he was not as good as Barkley or Malone. Yep, if Ewing had a healthy B King and an Allan Houston over the span of his career, he’d have 2 or 3 rings.

Duhon, Chandler, Galinari and Lee are all below average starters. Hughes once upon a time played like a starter and so far this season he’s showing everyone why.

Debussch, Clyde and Willis started and finished enough all-star games to show everyone that they were considered to be among the top 10 in the league. Top 3 means nothing. They were top 3 in my mind.

I understand where Kobe is coming from from and I agree and disagree.
We have had stars but we haven’t had a real flashy person that everyone loves and knows like a MJ, Kobe, Magic, or Lebron.

Not this guy…

put a 35 year old ewing on this team and we’re a top 4 seed.

that’s greatness.

ewing is 1 of few stars be go to the finals an past the first round alot of times
with no other true star on his team..

You are focusing all your attention on PPG. That’s something that a lot of fans and media types do. It’s not correct.

You have to look at how efficiently they score.

There are stats that tell you how many shots per game a player takes, how many free throws he takes, how many 3 pointers etc…

Wade and James score more PER SHOT. That allows the “team” to score more often per possession.

The difference in their PPG is marginal but Kobe is not nearly as efficient as a lot of other players. He scores a lot because he shoots more often. It’s kind of like AI, but less extreme. Fans loved AI because he scored a lot, but he was barely an above average player because he was so inefficient. He just shot a million times. That’s why he could never win and why Detroit got worse when he went there and Denver got better when he left and they got a real efficient PG.

In italy we saw ewing, we appreciated him a lot, he never surrender, but, please, nocomparison is possible with mj, magic, bird or hakeem the dream. be objective, only a good center, who always played beyond his limits. Honour to him. LBJ will be the first type of player, for the sake of kobe.

I meant, LBJ first world class player playing for knicks. When i say world class player, well I think to MJ Magic Bird, i’m not sure about Doc J. As for the past others can say and in present times Lbj and thats it.

he’s right.we need john wall.james dolan plus 3 million in cash would get it done i think.

Because Wade/James are better slashers, but they don’t have the offensive skills that Kobe Bryant has – defenders tend to give them more space to operate (“let him take jumpshots”).

Bryant has to work harder to get his numbers, which is why his career FG% is lower than Wade’s (0.482) or LeBron’s (0.472). His career FG% (0.455) is respectable anyways, there’s just a 1.7% difference between his numbers and LeBron’s.

Bryant’s FG% (0.488) is higher than Wade’s (0.441) this season anyways so the “he scores a lot because he shoots more often” doesn’t add up in my opinion.

Clyde’s a legend, Reed’s a legend, King’s a legend…

But the fact that very few people know them proves that Bryant has a point.

Ah yes Kobe, spoken like a true hater! No wonder Nutella severed ties with you! So Willis Reed sucked too?