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“…Everyone else on the planet knows that Chris Duhon is terrible, but the Knicks (especially his coach, Mike D’Antoni) are still in denial: “Eventually a slump becomes a standard. Perhaps Chris Duhon’s strong first half last season was the exception rather than the rule. If that’s the case, what he’s shown in most of the calendar year of 2009 – especially in these first 15 games of the season – should be cause for concern for the Knicks, whose anemic offense has had them on the ropes well before Dec. 1. ‘I’m worried about it now,’ Mike D’Antoni said. ‘I think he’s worried. I’m worried. But he’s the guy that can get up to a level that can bring us back. And we’re going to stick there until you can’t stick anymore. I’m sticking with him.’ D’Antoni said he won’t bench Duhon because ‘he’s our best option’ at the point guard position. This is said only after the franchise opted not to sign Allen Iverson and hand the offense – read: the ball – over to him. How fatal that decision was to this season remains painfully evident with every shot that Duhon misses and every bounce pass on a pick-and-roll that he throws too low or off the foot of a teammate…”
Duhon even knows, that he has been bad this year. But let’s get one thing straight, those of you who have been barking that you knew Du was this bad, fine. Last year did nothing to validate your claims. He’s never been the answer, and was most certainly signed as a stop-gap, but his play this year is FAR worse than last year. FAR worse.
His play this year has been bad enough to makes the first decision of the Walsh era look terrible and that’s on him.
Now D’Antoni has to recognize that although the importance of the PG in this system is critical, but a pass first guard who can’t shoot and isn’t even passing well, is absolutely useless.
WHEN WALSH too over the knicks he claimed no more bunker mentality,open honest relationship with the new york sports press.well for themto say that duhon is their man,and hell do fine is” pissing down my neck and telling me its raining” If i had my eyes closed,and nobody told me any different,i ould still think that ZEKE was runnng this circus.C’MON DONNIE! GET A GODDAM POINT GUARD IN HERE!if thats part of re-bilding the team,then start right now.resign yourself to the fact that youll be only able to sign one max FA next yea and start rebulding now!GET A FRIGGIN POINT GUARD.we have got to be the only team in the NBAthat has only one legit PG,and he stinks!(and he stunk most of last year tommy,i dont know what kin of glasses you were watching the games with,but this guy wa lousy from january ti the endof the season)
Bob, we get the feeling you don’t like the current administration and/or need a life.
whos we?
If u have to trade Curry, Chandler, Mobley’s contract and a 2012 #1 for McGrady then do it already, guarantee the Knicks the ability to offer 2 max contracts and be able to sell Lebron the idea of being able to bring in any superstar FA he wants with him, possible starting 5 in July 2010- Lebron at the 1, McGrady at the 2, Dino at the 3, Lee or Jordan Hill at the 4 and Bosh at the 5. It’s better then what Cleveland has.
Chris Duhon is like Rex Grossman when he was in Chicago
Anybody remember “Good Rex” and “Bad Rex”
Thats what we have, good and bad Duhon.
He was good for the first half of the season, and sucked at the end, and has been sucking ever since. Theres 30 teams in the NBA, 30 starting point guards, and he is clearly the worst of them all. He doesnt make his teammates better, and hes an overrated passer, if he gets 8 assist, 6 of them are off of pick and rolls to Lee. We passed on Jason Williams, We passed on Ramon Sessions, and we passed on Allen Iverson. They might not all be doing great right now, but they;re all doing better than Duhon.
That is Possibly The Funniest And Best Duhon Comparison I Have Heard.
The only difference is that the Bears invested the franchise in Grossman. He was the first round pick there. Duhon is a placeholder.
You are 1000 % right on Duhon. And the longer D’Antoni stubbornly sticks with him, the less repect and credibility he will have in N.Y
What happens next year, because we all know Mike D has a pass this year from management. One because management wont do anything to mess with the 2010 plan so we’ll see
Little Bob, if you were the coach or GM what would YOU do to “fix” this situation?
The way I see it is, DW and MD know that Duhon has quickly lost his skills but they don’t have another PG on the bench. (As a coach you don’t trash a player in the media, esp when there isn’t a viable alternative).
Douglas isn’t a natural PG and needs to learn the position over time (and probably should be groomed first as a SG anyway. No one should expect him to take over as starting PG anytime soon. Nate? I don’t even want him on the court, let alone handling the ball. I think Larry could use more minutes but he’s not a PG either
I like Iverson, but his pending retirement speaks volumes about his diminished skills. All AI would do is take shots and PT from Douglas, Hill and Gallo. I think it’s a good bet you’d eventually hate AI more than MD and DW.
And who are you going to trade for and what is it going to cost for this year and next year? This ain’t Madden basketball, it’s real life with real consequences.
Take a look in the mirror and ask yourself, “Isn’t my attitude one of the reasons the Knicks got itself in this mess in the first place?”
they had an entire summer to get another PG,they are gonna have to get a PG in here sooner or later,they may as well have started last summer,and gave the 4 mil to Ramon Sessions.iv been saying get a PG since they signed DUHON
At what point do you say ……. ok, we need to make a change ?
That my biggest question with our coach and GM.
NO pick next summer and a whole lot of hope is basically what we got
I know some of these players with a perennial star will play better . Its like playing with great players elevates your game but , at some point , NY has to realise a few realities and do something.
I think passing on AI was a bad move. I do. Why, because its bad now and you are still putting Duhon on the court with a lot of pressure that he is not use to . He is a back up PG , a god one at that but thats where the buck stops
Man, I wish Brandon jennings would have kept his mouth shut . I really do . A part of me hopes we see that side of him resurface when the honeymoon is over but the kid is flat out bringing it , not singing it. Another one that got away. NY has a terrible draft history man . Terrible when you look at the last 5-6 years. Isiah was very good in this dept . Look who he has drafted through his career as a GM & Coach . Ariza, Chandler , Lee ….. all solid picks at where they were drafted. Douglas and Gallo might be the exception but until we get a winning player on board ….who knows…
But thats another story
This one is on Donnie. D’antoni really has no other option. If this team is going to start playing better it will depend on the point guard. Nate is not a point guard and Douglass is still not a true point guard yet. Donnie has to go get a point guard. He probaly wishes he signed Tinsley.
i THINK i SPEAK FOR ALL KNICK FANS WHEN I SAY THAT WE WELCOME ANY CHANGE AT THAT POSITION. i WOULD BE HAPPY WITH TYRONE LUE OR RICK BRUNSON AT THIS POINT. THE PRESSURE OF PLAYING IN NY IS TOO MUCH FOR DUHON. i CANT BLAME DUHON BECAUSE MOST PLAYERS WOULD CRACK WHEN THOSE BRIGHT CITY LIGHT SHINE ON THEM. HE DOES NOT BELONG HERE SEND HIM TO A NICE SMALL TOWN. D’ANTONI IS STILL CLUELESS.
Brunson and Lue say it aint so lmao but I hear you Duhon chaps my a$$ on a regular basis. He is HORRIBLE, his weak a$$ drives to the hoop and the crap he throws up there is a mess.Man if it wasnt for 2010 I’d love Monta Ellis a guy who know how to drive and finish, why do we not have players of this caliber. Get us anybody that can get to the rim and to the foul line ala Maggette, or Gerald Wallace types. Maggette is a black hole and defense is weak at least Wallace plays defense
They think Lebron wants to come here, yea right, to a team that has no heart (Bring back Starks, he’ll show em heart). I would not be oppose to trading Wilson Chandler if it gets us something in return ie our first rounder back next year and an expiring contract with it.
I don’t think D’Antoni is in denial. I believe the day after JJ and/or Curry is traded for a PG that is the day D’Antoni will stop relying on Duhon. What purpose is served by benching Duhon. Is Nate ready to lead this team? Is Douglas ready to lead this team? I don’t think so. Anyone want to disagree?
Nate and Douglas would be a huge upgrade. The PG’s that are guarding Duhon are playing help defense. He does not get any steals and he cant keep any pg in front of him. Nate is a better offensive player and Douglas is a much better Defensive and offensive player. Now learning how to pass is going to take Douglas some time. Duhon only passes just because he cant shoot or drive to the basket. We need teams to respect our pg. The PG has to be a offensive threat so that we can go to the post and not have to worry about duhon’s man coming down to steal the ball. Both Nate and Douglas still gives the team a better chance to win.
time to start banging the drum for Iverson,
we need a PG and he’s an available, affordable allstar ANSWER!
I know some people will laugh, but Duhon is no longer a pg in that he can’t do anything to create for others. It is crazy that he is still playing this many minutes and starting and it is definitely time for a change. Same with Hughes. Just hand the backcourt over to Douglas and Nate and see what happens. It can’t be any worse than Duhon’s 24% from the field and Hughes overall lack of character and effort. Its just crazy that this hasn’t happened already.
I read somehwere might have been up here that D Lee and Al harrington have a who is locker room team leader going on. Any truth to it?
Rock
I think the AI thing is a dead issue now. AI’s passion for the game would have been maybe interesting but he is know to have teammates stand around watching him and passes in duress situations. AI’s point guard skills are suspect but I’ve alsways love his play but was always frustrated watching him also meaning I hated how teammates were stiffs and got frustrated. Frustrated is the word for the AI subject lol.
Joe
Let Nate or TD try to lead, how much worse could it get,hmmm? Let TD and JHill learn on the fly with playing time they can distinguish themselves maybe
Mal: I have no problem with Nate and Toney getting a chance to lead. To date neither appears to be able to create for their respective team mates. The way he is struggIing, am happy to see Duhon on the bench. I just think we will not get any better until we trade for a PG. As soon as possible. Both Nate and Toney are best suited at SG.
I don’t get it, what level do they think duhon can raise his game to? It’s not like ever was, or ever will be a scoring threat. If our point guard can’t even pull of off the dribble wide open (which he ALWAYS is) and his a little mid-range jumper, then he will be useless. We know what duhon can do, he can run the pick and roll sometimes with lee, and that’s it, but everything else is all huge negatives. I just don’t get it. What, is he going to start hitting his threes again? I don’t care, that won’t even make a difference. He has no tools to be successful at the PG for us, let alone any team in the world.
Clearly D’Antoni only knows how to coach talent, of which we have none. Statistically, Gallo is our only talent right now and he is not physically ready to be the go-to guy yet. (for those of you wanting him to take 20 shots a game, it’s not going to happen yet.)
I actually might stop watching; Duhon brings nothing to the table and it’s clear when watching the games, even if we get lucky and hit some threes and tie the score up, that we are still losing the game because duhon cannot make anything happen. There is nothing he can turn on to change that.
Jeff: DW and D’Antoni tried unsuccessfully to get a Jason Kidd or Steve Nash or an Andre Miller to lead this team. I think they knew since last season that Duhon was not the answer. I thought Duhon could be serviceable. I was wrong. He is lost. Need to get a PG before this team improves.
No disagreements here. If you notice, i never blamed donnie for any of this… we all knew we would be fielding a bad roster this year… i just think nate should get an opportunity now that duhon is obviously awful.
If you think AI is the type of player to distribute the ball you’re crazy and have never watched him play. He would be the worst choice.
I think Donnie blew it as usual by not signing someone, anyone who can run a team. Just someone marginal, they don’t have to be an all star. We have nobody behind or in front of Duhon he’s our only option so he plays even when he’s having an off night. You can’t do that to a player like him, he’s not that good.
Nate cannot run a team, he a SG/SF in a midgets body.
If Isiah gets an F as a GM then Donnie gets a C-. Yes he got rid of some terrible players and contracts but he did not add anything in return but some cap space. And not enough cap space at that.
This team is 5-10 years away from anything thanks to Isiah and Donnie do nothing.
Unless Donnie has a super double secret deal with people in the works like Danny Anige did we are screwed. Like Someone is going to trade us a high #1 pick. Someone is taking both JJ and Curry and return cap space and a young good player. Then some Veterans will sign for less just to play with this great team Donnie is assembling because they have a super secret deal with MSG network to have their own show. And some other company to develop them as rap stars and clothing designers to offset taking less money to come here.
@ Joe the Knick: You asked if nate and douglas are ready to run this team…. WHO CARES?? Is duhon ready to run this team? No. So maybe duhon has more experience, but we are 3-12 anyway, you might as well put nate or douglas out there, take a gamble and see for yourself… maybe they are ready… or maybe they will become ready if we give them enough reps. Either way, we won’t know unless we let them try. And the talent and skills they bring to the floor, the speed, the penetration… it creates MANY more high % shots… and that is what we are lacking the most. I don’t care if Nate isn’t “ready” to run the offense because neither is duhon.. but nate can actually make teams play defense.
I have a friend who played PG on varsity; he’s 5″ 9′, a real smart player. He has a pretty good shot. But physically he couldn’t have even played D3 ball because he just isn’t on that level. Would D’Antoni start him over nate because he’s a true PG? That’s pretty much what is happening now. NOBODY is ready to run this team so we might as well put the ball in the hands of the future players, or at least someone with some talent.
it doesn’t matter if you think nate isn’t ready to lead this team, because he has a better chance of doing so than Duhon does. Anyone want to disagree?
I keep reading more comments about how nate isn’t ready to run a team. I don’t get it… Who cares? Are you saying duhon is ready? Nate right now is 10 times more ready than duhon. And how do we know anyway? sometimes with players like that the only way they break out of their shell is when you give them the ball, along with a huge increase in responsibility, and see if they sink or swim. Just give nate the shot, there’s no reason not to.
Jeff: If Nate and Wilson shot as well as last year we would probably be at 6 and 7 instead of 3 and 12. While it is not great our defense is better than last year. Duhon is clearly the glaring problem at the moment. I would love for Nate and/or Toney to lead. I just don’t beleive you are getting the most out of each player if you ask them to pass instead of looking to create their own shot. I don’t have an answer but I don’t think Nate or Toney at PG is it. Hoping for trade because I cannot watch the games.
But there is no “answer.” Just superior alternatives. Asking nate to pass instead of score might not be utilizing him to his full capacity, but the question remains… will we be better then we are now?
Disagree??? Not even Duhon’s parents would disagree…
I really hope D’ANTONI & DW have a plan cuz if they don’t…they were a worse idea than the XFL…
Get it together cuz right now it’s shameful and 2010 will go from a HOOP SAVIOR to a HOOP DREAM…i’ve never been more ashamed to be a fan…no PROFESSIONAL TEAM should be this shameful…and it’s not just the losing…
IT’S THE STARTING A 6′9 C WHO PLAYS NO D AND EXPECT NOT TO BE DOMINATED…
BENCHIN ALL YOUR 6′10-7′0…
SHOWING ZEEEEEERROOOOOO HEART!!!!!!!
PLAYIN NOOOOOOO D
STICKIN W/ A SORRY EXCUSE FOR A PG…
NOT PLAYIN THE “FUTURE CORE”
i’m just tired of havin that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach knowin we could be better…i hate that i love the Knicks so much, i wish i didn’t care or i wish i was just a casual fan who was more into cars than sports…most of all
I WISH THE KNICKS WERE SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF AND A FORCE IN THE LEAGUE
MiamiMoe I could not agree more…..
I have been watching the Knicks since they were on late at night on WOR channel 9 in New York. That’s like 1967 or so, that’s over 40 years.
I cannot take it anymore, year after year of hiring the wrong people when the right ones are staring you in the face.
We blew it again with Donnie and D’Antoni who never won anything. Yes better than Isiah but not that much.
Same here, Big Daddy. I think I saw my first Knick TV game in ‘67…they had Willis, Komives and Big Bells.
I can take it this year. Next spring and summer Walsh will be making moves galore. The pain will go away. For now, to keep our sanity I think we need to watch other NBA games.
I’m heading to Oakland in 4 hours to see the Lakers-Warriors.
DTR
I feel you MiamiMoe, I remember watching the last championship so its been a looong drought.
Time to start boycotting the games…… STOP buying tickets, maybe then they will learn their lesson. i know this is heard for us die hard to do, but honestly this is how you show that we are mad. we deserve better, no other city sells out 4 out of its 7 first home games when their team is this horrendous. i feel bad for boycotting for guys like gallo, and douglas whove been great all year. this is sickening how disgusting we are honestly, when you get blown out by the kings without kevin martin you need a reality check and realize that your team sucks big time. donnie cannot stand pat anymore, we are the laughing stock of the league, yet again.
LMAO @ DAntoni,
He gets angry at the media when the lack of DEFENSE is brought up. If he put his ego away and bring in someone that work on the defensive side
Or how about playing those guys that actually give a f..k about defense? How about not playing Lee at C where he’s overmatched every single night?
Duhon even knows, that he has been bad this year. But let’s get one thing straight, those of you who have been barking that you knew Du was this bad, fine. Last year did nothing to validate your claims.
Last year? He was awful from the midle of Dcember on. He had a decent first 25-30 games. after that he had MAYBE 7 quality games. PERIOD.
Maybe.. just MAYBE.. the first 1/3rd of the season (not half by any stretch) was the outlier.
Duhon hit his threes and developed a pick and roll game with Lee. He did not Run the secen seconds or less offense AT ALL ,last year.
Donnie had his chances this off season to improve the position and dropped the ball… just like Duhon drops the ball on the court.. plain and simple.
Biggie- Donnie had multiple chances to upgrade and he didn’t. Everyone knew that he should bring in a veteran on a one year deal. He didn’t. Now look where we are…
Donnie also had multiple opportunities to get a PG in the draft.
Jennings, Jrue Holiday and Ty Lawson were all picked after Hill.
Toney Douglas is NOT a Point Guard. Period. Even chief cheerleader Alan Hahn says that.
Donnie also had Ramon Sessions in his back pocket for pocket change.
he passed because he didnt want to commit 4 mil of 2010 money.. that is looking like a real bad call too.
How is passing on Sessions for 4 million per bad? What has Sessions done to make you think that he is worth risking the opportunity to have as much free cash as possible in 2010 to sign one or two max fa? Donnie could not risk signing Sessions, esp. with the POSSIBILITY that the cap can fall into the very low 50’s. And Joran Hill will be a great player, I have no problem with Donnie taking the best player available like every analyst thought, Holiday stinks, and Lawson at 5 11, once he loses his quickness will be absolute crap, guy is destined to be a career backup and is NOT thepg of the future that we need. Theres a good possibility Lee wont be back al wont be back, just bc were stacked at the 4 does not mean we will be when it really matters 2010… jordan hill will be right there to step in.
too bad Donnie DIDNT take the best player available.
4 mil is pocket change.. below the mid level money. And Sessions at 23 years old has value as a trade chip.
Do you doubt for a moment that if Sessions were on this team he would be starting right now?
yeah i think he would and i wanted him so badly, but what happens if that 4 million is what costs you the chance to offer lbj a max deal….. is ramon sessions worth it, hell no.
ramon sessions woulda been worth it ,believe me
I almost gagged when i read that you think Jordan Hill will be a great player. But you are entitled to your opinion. Hopefully the coach will agree with you some day and maybe play him.
And regatrding the $$ IF the cap is 53 which would be an unprecedented decline that means the most you can offer a max player is 16 mil (30%) sowe would STILL have $$ available .
Assuming we signed Sessions for 4 mil in 2010 money we would have 30 mil committed which leaves 23 mil available to sign free agent players.. So the MOST we can offer lebron would be 16 that leaves 7 mil free..
If you think an elite player is coming to this team without a useful point guard on the roster you are in the same dream that Jordan Hill looks like he is in on the end of the bench.
I think in walsh’s defense he probbaly thought jeffries would be tradeable, so if the cap is 53 million and we have 23 million to spend with ramon sessions on the team take out his 4 million and jeffries 6 plus and now you have 33 million which is enough to sign you 2 MAX fa, so please dont tell me that ramon sessions is worth the risk bc he isnt. how can you say hill wont be a great player, he’s hardly even played. i love his atheltic ability and work ethic, he seems to have improved greatly so far, but other than that in your defense its kind of hard for me to judge bc he just does not play nearly enough, but he should be imo.
He really droped the ball on Jason Williams. Knicks had him working out and exclusive signing rights and they passed on him.
Anybody seen him play for the magic recently? He’s running their game, hustling his butt off on defense and hitting clutch shots. Love that guy.
Would he be as effective with Lee instead of Howard at C? Hell no, but nonetheless he’d have been a major upgrade over Duhon.
I’m telling you, passing on Jennings, Lopez and Gordon is not the only reason to be very sceptic about this teams talent evaluation. You are not going far with that. Not in the Draft, not in free agency, not anywhere.
ill take gallo anyday over gordan and brook. first off, gallinari is 21 years old and what is really his first legitmate season, last season he was not healthy and he hardly played so i do not count that. the kid can pass like no other big man his size, he can flat out shoot, he is so passionate about basketball how can you not like him? if you want to say we missed on jennings, every analyst thought hill was the best pick available and no1 knew jennings would be this good, cut the crap folks, lets not pounce on walsh, hes a shrewd busineess man, knows talent, and knows how to win.
Gallo over Lopez…LMAO…..are you related to him.
Have you watched the Nets? He’s a true 7 foot center who has skills and unlimited upside, he runs the floor well. Do yourself a favor and watch Lopez a few times then come back and tell me the same thing…LOL.
How many players like Lopez come along, not very often.
Gallo is slow of foot and can hit open shots. he cannot play defense, he cannot jump, he cannot make his own shot and has trouble scoring off the dribble. he has no low post game at all. Were is this guys game? I don’t see one. You see glimpses of something but he’s still slow and very stiff.
This is Gallo’s true first year in the NBA, the guy is coming off of freakin back surgery….. aka it will take TIME for him to completey show off his entire skill set, not to mention he is 21 years old and from a different country, that also takes a lot of time adjusting to. but anyway, he can pass like no other big man, he is a phenomenal shooter, great bball iq, great work ethic, i absolutely love the kid. nothing against brook lopez though, he is a phenomenal player. imo i would take gallo over brook anyday. you talk about how many players like lopez come along, well how many big men who can pass and shoot like gallo can come along? when you have walsh comparing you to bird, heck you know your good, gallinari is the real deal, love him.
Let’s make a couple of things clear:
1) I like Gallo a lot and i’m not too mad about Walsh taking him (hey, we didn’t end up with Joe Alexander).
2) I like Hill and his potential and want him to get AT LEAST 15-20 minutes every game.
BUT:
You can’t be serious if you think both of them were the best choice for the Knicks. We still don’t know excactly what position to play Gallo, his health (read: back stiffness) is still a concern as it should be. There are also concerns about his all around game like driving to the basket or his activity rate. But we don’t need to go there. As I said I like him a lot and have faith that he will do good things for the Knicks when he finally gets the ball.
On the other hand, Lopez at age 21 is already one of the best C’s in the game (besides the PG the hardest position to fill). You built your franchise around that kind of player.
Gordon (age 20) already looks like a complete guard. defending well, shooting, driving to the basket with speed, skill and force and averaging 3,5 apg. He’s just a great great GREAT young player.
And, both of them are still developing.
Again, I’m tired of the Jennings issue, Walsh did not do his Homework and made the mistake, so he gets the blame. Deal with it.
You’re free to root for our young guys (so do I) but don’t be a homer and tell me we did not make mistakes.
didnt mean to sound like a homer. obviousally, we missed out on jennings, the guy scored 55 points as a rookie and hill cant even get off the bench, but to critiize walsh for picking hill is wrong and to say hill is bad or wont be great is wrong too.
If you want to help Duhon recover from his slump then starter minutes won’t do any good. Why not easing him in for 10-15 minutes against the opponents second unit?
If you want a veteran to handle the ball and pass it on, give the PG spot to Larry Hughes. No one did that better than him this season.
Partner him with Toney Douglas, let them share the work and you’ll be alright. Not great, but alright.
You get strong perimeter defending, some sort of veteran leadership (Hughes, again, no one did it better) and a guy that is at least willing to take it to the basket once in a while (Douglas).
Have Nate come off the bench with energy and find some minutes for Duhon against the benchguys.
If only there was a PG available in the draft last year when we picked 8th,,,,
Just a quick point on “talent evaluation.” You can’t look behind you in the draft, in retrospect, and try to judge your team’s talent evaluation. Every years great players drop in the draft, and it’s not like that means every single GM above that pick is a bad evaluator. For one reason or another, people fall. To judge Talent evaluation, you have to look at your own player… is he developing into the kind of player we though he would? if so, than our pick is justified. I don’t think we have seen enough of hill yet, and he still needs more time anyway, so the jury is still out. But you can’t point out great players who fell in the draft and say “oh we missed out on him him and him so we don’t know how to evaluate talent.” Nobody in the world knows how every player is going to turn out, your job isn’t to get lucky and strike gold, it’s to make a smart pick.
But, if your point is that we needed a PG, and we didnt’ take one, that is a different story. I think there were about 4 or 5 PG’s that donnie would have taken and been comfortable with as our real starting PG of the future… unfortunately, for one reason or another, every one of those 4 or 5 guys went before us and Jennings wasn’t on our list. Maybe it’s because of his “attitude” or maybe its because coach’s motto has been that we need a “pass first PG” which jennings is really not. Who would have known he would be playing an inverson-esque rookie year? He did nothing in europe and didn’t work out. Obviously in retrospect i wish we had taken him, but i wish even harder that the warriors had let curry fall, because that is somehting we were sure of and we just got screwed.
i’m tired of this jennings conversation, but walsh said he wasn’t on the list because the did not feel they had enough information (“no feel”) about his game. which is essentially not doing your homework and therefor poor talent evaluation.
that was actually my point.. We NEEDED a PG in the worst way and took a player at a position of depth.
Im not looking back on Jennings. I really didnt buy into him.. But Holiday and Lawson were high on my draft day list.. and they were very much available at the 8 spot. Especially Holiday.. he hasnt done much in Philly but he is a lock down defender, has a pass first attitude and is lightning quick.
I think Walsh’s plan is to build a team with young star talent beginning next summer. Holiday and Lawson and even Jennings are good, not stars like the Knix need. Give Walsh a year or 2 more to show us what he can do. This year sux because he needed to clean house.
“He[Duhon] is our best option”? Keep on believing that D’Antoni. I respect Duhon, but he’s getting more attention than he deserves. Douglas isn’t ready yet, said two of the posters in this thread. Well, that’s the difference between the Knicks and most teams in the NBA. Other teams in the league put their rookies or young players in the situation to succeed…and when they do get that experience, more often than not, they breakout…sometimes in a huge way. But not the Knicks. Our rookies are never capable.It’s either they’re not true pg(Douglas). They’re not worth an 8th pick(Hill). Can’t get more than five minutes a game to develop(Ariza). In the past five six years, the rookies couldn’t get minutes on Knick teams that literally suck. It’s not they’re not getting opportunites on Knick teams that can’t make it past the first round, these guys can’t get minutes on knick teams that had players like Malik Rose, Jerome James, JJ and Duhon. Think about that. So, don’t complain about DA, because what half of you fans are saying proves that you’re a reflection of the coach.
Tommy,
He’s obviously much worse this year, but that does not excuse not trying very to replace him for this year.
When he was playing his absolute best last year, by every statistical measurement I look at he was about average or slightly below average compared to other starting PGs in the NBA. The reason he may have looked a little better than he actually was was that he was playing more minutes per game than average and the Knicks were playing at an above average pace (more possessions per game). Both those contributed positively to his “per game” stats like assists, points etc… but they are not an indication of superior performance.
If you looked at his overall career or entire season from last year it was so obvious that he was/is a below average starting PG, that it should have been either the #1 or #2 priority to replace him (along with finding a starting SG – though Hughes is good enough defensively that we can cope with inconsistent shooting for now)
IMO, he may be the worst starting PG in the league and we just came out of a very strong draft for PGs with Ty Lawson (an obvious fit and solid player available). I’m actually willing to forgive passing on Jennings for teh all reasons you were “so so” on him, but passing on Lawson was very foolish because he was the highest rated PG coming out of the draft STATISTICALLY and a PERFECT FIT.
How can anyone say AI doesn’t pass, when he’s averaged almost 7 dimes in a 14 year career? NO ONE knows how AI and the Knicks would have done, had he come aboard, NO ONE: all we all have to go on is his past, but NO ONE knows the day that someone’s ‘gets it’, and it very well could have been now…we’ll just never know
he averaged 6.2 assists and over 22 shots a game. Virtually the only time A.I. passed was a kick out on a stonewalled drive.
passing was his third option when he had the ball. And he Had the ball All. the. time.
we do have his past to look at . His recent past. when he was run out of Denver, Detriot and Memphis after 3 games.
What are the KNicks other options? They have to hope Duhon can snap out of it. Where else do they go?
I like Douglas like everyone else, but he’s just not ready to be a starting NBA PG. It’s just not there.
Robinson and Hughes both have some PG skills, but neither guy can play that position with consistent effectiveness.
Duhon is still the best they got for now. They are gonna ride him another 10-15 games and see what happens.
Imagine, a 6′6″ Nate Robinson is a allstar and one of the best players in the game.
duhon is the knicks best player…
ok.
it’s not my judgement but the 1’s that are making millions
donnie has a plan an his plan is for next year
but didn’t knew it planned to stink like this.
zeke would of never signed duhon an if he did he would of got a better 1 by now..
yea we all know zeke loved adding payroll but he never stopped trying to make this team better an there is no denying that..
DW got rid of the 2 20-pt scorers and for good reason. Of course this year should stink without them, and I am glad he did it.
defending zeke? ooooph..
time for knicks fans to clamor for AI
he can help…
better than any other choice out there
and he’s right here on our front step.
hello!
if i defended zeke i would probably have to defend alot more gm’s in this league
as for Ai the knicks won’t sign him even if they had 4 players..
duhon out for the season hopefully..