Defending Jeffries

great,, can we email this story to every NBA GM?

Andyone want him for a trade exception? anyone? Orlando? San Antonio?

send him back to Washington with 3 mil for Mike Miller?

Detroit for Kwame Brown and some money or filler?

Is this thing on?

how about Indiana with 3 mil for TJ Ford?

someone wake me up.

OKC for Etan Thomas?

Could he get some time behind and with Durant and Green?

Bring in Miller

Mike Miller is hurt right now. He’s actually ALWAYS hurt.

even better.. give Miller a medical buy out and send him on his way.

Yesterday he played brilliantly and that fans cheered him for it. But let’s be real here Tommy, don’t make it seems like last night was a normal game for JJ.

If last night was the norm, teams would be knocking Donnie’s door down to get him and unfortunately that is not the case.

Hope this is sarcasm. Despite Tommy pumping him up at every opportunity this guy does suck. And this is coming from someone who watches every Knick game and watched Jeffries while he played in DC. The guy can defend but he is such a liability on offense it often negates whatever he does on the defensive end. Not to mention the repeated bone headed plays.

Is he the worst player to ever don a Knick uniform. Sadly no. Jerome James was worse. Maybe Randolph Morris but didn’t get to see him play enough. Mardy Collins was pretty bad too. Not many others though. Would have to go to the pre-Ewing era Knicks.

Using the logic in the above post Larry Hughes is an all star PG because he had 12 asts in last nights game. Talk about a knee jerk reaction to one game.

Jeffries would be good on a playoff team with a lot of offensive fire power that occasionally needs a role player to shut down a specific player (usually a PG). Other than that, he doesn’t bring this kind of game to the table every night and he’s a massive liability on offense.

I think, according to their team defensive stats, Indiana and OKC are fairly decent defensive teams. Washington could use a player like Jeffries, and they do need his intangibles and defensive flexibility, but I think they will not add salary if they think they do not have a chance to compete for a playoff spot. They are a half game out right now for the 8th spot and they are the most likely to make a move but I would think it would be likely closer to the trading deadline to get a better evaluation of where there season stands.

We need him to continue to have games like last night. He does not always show up defensively and I think he gets lulled into playing sloppy like his teammates. I think he can be traded and for all those bloggers that have been desperately calling for Mike A to bench him, I only ask why? Wins losses dont mean much at this time and lets continue to hope that we can build value for these players that wont be here next year to put us in the best position possible to trade them and have the most cap space available when July 1st comes around.

ok ill take ford

its just that hes always better than duhon,and knicks fans are looking for a replacement

I was happy to see Duhon getting a few minutes and then being pulled right back out. D’Antoni has to notice that as soon as duhon goes in the game everything slows down and we lose all rythm and momentum, every single time… There has to be something goin on in the locker room with these guys and duhon.. he can’t be that bad.

will never happen

Too much night life?

Last night was a perfect storm in that JJ played very well as did the team. Unfortunately unless and until the team shoots a very high percentage they cannot afford JJ’s lack of offense. He really is better suited for a play off team that outscores its opponent on a regular basis. Clearly the Knicks are not there yet. Hopefully we trade JJ for an expiring contract and a rookie PG.

Are two teams allowed to use trade exceptions in the same deal?

Jared Jeffries and the Anthony Roberson trade exception for Adam Morrison and the Vladimir Radmanovic trade exception?

Jared Jeffries and a 2010 second-round pick for Mike James?

I don’t see any other option.

Jared Jeffries was awesome yesterday. But we all know that he’s terrible.

Like I have said here JJ is a player who on the back end of a rotation on a winning team can be an asset. He is overpaid for what he does but for a team with championship aspirations he can help you. he can take guys out of their game and make a few plays here and there.

But he is by no means a good player or someone who should play more than 15 minutes a game nor at intervals longer than 5 minutes. I have watched him miss so many shot. easy ones, miss rebounds, drop balls, turn over balls on bad passes and a variety of missed plays and assignments. But he does have value if used correctly within his limited skill set.

If I were a team in the hunt that needs some length with a guy that can run and do the dirty work, I would trade for him if I have the cap space.

bingo

Always been a JJ fan. He has heart and is a good defender. When and if lebron comes to NY people are going to miss JJ. He has the right stuff to help out a super star every night.

F all who don’t like him!

if trading him gives us an opportunity to bring in a second max player ill sign the petition to hang #20 in the rafters.

jj isn’t as bad as most people make him out to be.

he plays hard everynite an does what he is told an tries.

yea i know the knicks need way more than he can offer but the guy isn’t that bad ..

Duhon is that bad. I’t's like he plays with blinders. I think D’Antoni is just really loyal. Duhon only played 26 mins but that was because of all the garbage time. He would have played more. For some reason, D’Antoni keeps putting him out there.

It’s truly amazing how limited Duhon is. A starting point guard with no ability to penetrate, defend on the ball, or get more than one player involved in the offense. The only thing I can say for him is that when he remembers the pick and roll, he’s okay at running it (especially with Lee). But that’s about it. That backup Eastern Euro guy that the Suns had out there last night was a lot better. Denver has three point guards who are a lot better.

This is New York City! It should be the law that we have a PG with some kind of ability to work people off the dribble. I’m not a fan of Nate Robinson, but at least he has a nasty cross.

The guy gives you positive minutes. the knicks don’t LOSE games bc of jeffries nor do they WIN games because of him.

he does some positive things, anyone can see that…adamek says it best it’s NOT about fantasy stats.

Nah…been saying it along…jeffries can help a good team. You brought up hughes…

bad analogy.

LOL well done big, but pickles is right, the guy would have the respect of a star player.

plus he’s a good teammate….always works after practice with the young guys.

terrific.. nominate him for a nobel peace prize too..

how much more do we have to talk him up b4 DW can move him?

Adamak has a good point about stats. One of the shames of High School reporting is that only points are reported. It is hard to convince HS players that anything else is important. All schools keep stats. It would be easy enough to report rebounds, and it would reward the non-scoring bigs who work their bgutts off and never get in the all-important HS box scores in Newsday, for example

It breeds the “chuck it up” mentality to give the parents and players bragging rights when two points are reported, but 10-15 rebounds aren’t noticed. Used to make sure the “Defensive player of the game” was always mentioned in the morning announcements.

Yes he is, he’s terrible unless you use him a certain way within his very limited skill set.

I love when people say this about Jeffries. He is awful. He is not a good defender. What does he do so well on defense? He’s too small to guard big guys and too slow to guard people on the perimeter. I think its that he is so awful on offense, that people assume he must be a good defender. Has he played on even one average defensive team in his 8 year career? No. With his completely lack of any noticeable skill, he would have to be the second coming of Bill Russell to justify minutes on a winning team.

I agree with Mr. Dee.

If he is partying that much, why doesn’t the coach make an example out of him? Because he’s a veteran? That’s not acting like a veteran.

Shhhh…

Just join in Big, before the other GM’s catch on.

Jeffries would get more respect if he could guard 5 positions, but he can only really guard PGs, wings and smaller 4′s. He’s not strong enough to guard most frontcourts. With length, lateral quickness and good defensive hands, he’s perfect as a defensive stopper off the bench for a playoff team. He’s most useful for teams playing against the Kobes, Wades, CP3s, Durants, Roy’s of the league. He’s there to tire out superstars.

Everything else, he’s useless making his salary outrageous. That’s why everyone was so excited when he was hitting 3′s in preseason, he was a step closer to being a valuable expiring contract. Right now we just have to hope that a playoff contender/hopeful with plenty of scoring needs to up it’s perimeter defense. Washington seems like a candidate in this regard. Maybe the Suns, Mavs or Raptors.

non-expiring*

Not judging him on his stats, judging him on his on court play. The silly turnovers, horrible jump shot, and complete inability to improve on the offensive end since entering the league. He may have actually gotten worse offensively then he was in college and his first couple of years in Indiana.

He does a good job crashing the boards and taking charges but this “ability” to defend all five positions is very overstated. He can help to slow down some PGs as he did with Rondo but that is the exception rather than the rule. He routinely gets killed in the post when playing man to man defense but that is not necessarily his fault, he isn’t the biggest 6’10 in the world. But his defense at the end of games, one on one, is pretty atrocious. He routinely gets beat. Much like are other defensive stopper Chris Duhon.

One of my all time favorite Knicks of all times was Charles Oakley. That mans worth to a team never showed up on the stat sheet but his value couldn’t be questioned. Same with Gerald Wilkins. Don’t know if you remember him but I used to feel the same way about Jerome Kersey and Bill Lambier. I hear your point, I just think you are using the wrong person, Jeffries, as an example.

The team plays great against a team with no power power forwards and Jeffries deserve credit? I don’t think he deserves much. When he goes up against the Celtic’s big boys or Dwight Howard or Josh Smith or Horford or Shaq, or the Lakers’ big guys he is useless.

I don’t think its a bad analogy. People are calling for Larry Hughes to be our starting PG and now they feel they have justification because he had 12 asts. I’m one of the few this summer who liked Larry’s game enough to want him to start, but he isn’t a PG. Even when he was playing combo guard with spot PG minutes in Washington while Arenas was out, he wasn’t a true PG and it shows up the more he has to log heavy minutes there.

Similarly, people are writing articles about how good Jeffries is and how he makes all these contributions on the floor and are justifying it by last nights game. I’m not rooting against the guy, I just think he sucks and has failed to live up to the promise he had when he was drafted because he failed to develop an all around game.

But perhaps your point is that If he made the minimum I would feel differently about him. Maybe. But he doesn’t and at one point he was actually our starting power forward. Every time he throws an inbound pass to the other team, or blows a wide open layup, or dribbles it off his leg out of bounds while the starting PG stands next to him I can’t help but think “man he sucks”, and just like Jerome James its made worse by that awful contract.

If Curry retired I would petition hanging #34 in the rafters and putting in a commemorative Popeye’s Chicken in the MSG concourse.

hey guys, glad to be posting here and not pay.
great win last night.

hey Heri,
You think Kahn is giving up?
You think that we’ll get Rubio? I sure hope so.

lol yeah i remember kersey and laimbeer, two players who were SERIOUS products of successful teams. So was John Salley.

They were part of a successful group.

Gerald wilkins? he took the worst shots ever…he NEVER reached his potential. wow.

I just watched my high school team…they have a kid who makes a million plays that you would never notice if you weren’t watching him.

team has a ton of talent was struggling but was +15 with him on the court…and scored 6 points and horribly missed 2 threes.

why does he shoot? Because he works his ass off and no coach would EVER tell him he couldn’t shoot.

jeffries is a poor offensive player on a team that needs him to score.

per minute, defensively, he is very skilled.

But perhaps your point is that If he made the minimum I would feel differently about him.

exactly, he has a stigma…which knick fans take out on him.

lame.

this is where you guys are funny.

GMs know if a guy can help.

The Knicks can only contribute a little to a buyout, anyway, right? Anyone know what it would take to get him here, even if we do get his rights? Waiting until 2011 wouldn’t be fun.

I like him. I don’t like his contract. I think (hope?) there are more that agree with me than it seems.

JJ should NOT be playing the 5 or the 4.. he CAN NOT guard 5 positions as CL4 said..

He has a skill set but has been erribly mis casted in his time in NYC. Under the right circumstances on the right team he can be a valuable contributor.

But the dude is horribly over paid. that is part of him whether we like it or not. As Uncle Donnie said — “you can be a good player at one $$ figure and a hiorrible player at another”.

If a team is already over the cap and needs what he provides he can be moved.

(Is that better? )

So who could realistically take him for an expiring or a trade exception?

Detroit?
Washington?
OKC?
Orlando?
Indiana?
San Antonio?
. ..?

I could be wrong, but my guess is that at this number now, GMs would be leery. But as the deadline approaches…different story.

players capitalize on success and JJ played in the playoffs…BTW what’s james posey doing these days?

glue guy on a team unglued.

Hi Tommy, my name is HaS. It’s nice to meet you.

I would think you would know when I’m being sarcastic by now.

smh

Well that explains all the bricks by Chandler this year.