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2010: A Knick Fan’s Odyssey

By Tommy Dee on Dec 06, 2009, 5:11 pm

The following piece was submitted by John Maloney, as always we encourage all fans to put pen to  paper, or bang the keys,as means of getting your point across further. Please send submissions to theknicksblog@gmail.com.

Hopefully it is the understanding of most Knick fans that this process the team is currently undertaking, which I believe is called “rebuilding”, has to be done. That this is how it works and there is no other choice due to the horrific state the Knicks have been left in. Actually, you’re pleased that it’s finally happening eight years later than it should have been done.

Most importantly, you knew that this process would be very difficult to endure and would feel like it lasts as long as the Knicks have been irrelevant. The team needed a massive purge. Isiah Thomas not only burned the village to the ground, he salted the earth on the way out.

In fact, he’s still hurting the Knicks from the grave as his final broadside to the Knicks (trading away the 2010 first round pick unprotected) was part of his first broadside (the Stephon Marbury deal). So the worse the Knicks finish this year, the better draft pick the Utah Jazz get. Fantastic. Isiah Thomas – the gift that keeps on giving.

So the Knicks are uniquely screwed. You get all that. This has to be done.

But MAN, does it suck.

This has been way more of an unwatchable slog than was expected. Last year was acceptable as the team, although bad, was at least occasionally entertaining. This year with the unprecedented Ramadan-like salary cap fast in full swing, the roster is a collection of non-All Stars aware that they are essentially walking expiring contracts. Everything is in flux; outside of the rookies everyone else’s time in New York is numbered.

You know how teams tank the last month of a season to get a better chance at a top pick in the draft? The Knicks organization is essentially tanking a season…just without that pick. (Man, it’s as if Isiah left a timed paint grenade in our cash bag, like a bank teller.)

The result of this purge is a dreary, uninspired, unwatchable brand of basketball. And loyal Knick fans are expected to pay top dollar to watch this dying fish flop around the court.

So would getting Allen Iverson basically been a gimmick, a distraction, bread and circus for the masses? Yeah probably. What’s your point? It would have been nice having an actual Hall-of-Famer in a Knick uniform for the first time in ages. It would have been nice to be legitimately excited by a player that wasn’t in an opposing team’s uniform. It would have been nice to hear the Garden at the loudest it’s been this season since that little girl nailed a song from “Showgirls” during the halftime kid’s talent competition.

Considering the immense amount of crap that’s been shoveled in our direction since Patrick Ewing was traded away, Knick fans would have just been thrilled that the organization thought of us and our Job-like suffering for once. You’d have a slew of us at the Garden with a balloon in one hand, devouring a piece of bread in the other as we watched the elephants stride by.

But it didn’t happen. No bone was thrown. No Novocain was given for the tooth pulling. Donnie Walsh decided that getting AI would have hindered the plan for the future. So instead of watching Allen Iverson, we get to try to figure out if that’s really Eddy Curry or someone broke a beefed-up Plaxico Burress out of Rikers. Or we can place bets on when Nate Robinson will wander away from a timeout huddle to help with the T-Shirt cannons causing D’Antoni to finally snap and pummel Nate right on the court (January 26th against Minnesota).

So since we have to endure yet another year of dismal basketball as the franchise continues to stay in a holding pattern, I think now is a fair time to ask some important questions. Like, what is this plan for the future? And when do we get to see it? Because we’re getting a little anxious over here.Donnie Walsh has been great at tearing down part of the rebuilding with his salary sheds. I still can’t believe he was able to pawn off Zach Randolph. It’s hard to excoriate Donnie Walsh for the overall torpor of the franchise, remembering that the Knicks are uniquely screwed. I can’t completely damn him for whiffing on a 19-year old point guard who played a year in instead of college and was on his way out the door during the draft because he didn’t think he was getting drafted in the top 10. Others missed on Brandon Jennings as well and anyone saying they saw his breakout coming is lying to you. But next to nothing has been done to set anything up for 2010. Mike D’Antoni’s system can’t work without a point guard and the fact that the Knicks didn’t get one in the eight spot and still don’t have one in place is damning enough. In fact, they currently don’t have anyone who can be considered a key fit for the Seven Seconds or Less system. Instead all the Knicks have reserved for 2010 and beyond is a three-heaving Italian kid who the jury is still out on, a back-up point guard who may not even be a point guard and a super-raw forward/center who rarely sees the court.

Right now, it’s as if this plan for the future is similar to the Underwear Gnomes from South Park:

Step 1: Sign Lebron James.

Step 2: ????

Step 3: Win Championship!

Obviously the Underwear Gnome theory is not the actual plan (well, it better not be). There’s still the February trading deadline and the off-season to make something happen. The rumors about an Al Harrington for Ty Thomas swap are encouraging and would be a nice start. (Who else would the Knicks get in this reported scenario? The return of the immortal Jerome James! I can’t believe the Chicago Bulls saw his resume, fresh off his stealing millions from the Knicks for three years, and still signed him! Wow. Are they paying him by the hour?)But as things stand right now, should LeBron decide to leave there are a few destinations can currently offer him a better shot at winning a ring than the Knicks can. That’s a problem and what is mainly causing the anxiety in Knick Nation. After a decade of miserable basketball, the Brandon Jennings miss and the AI rejection, the Knick fans patience is finally wearing thin. With no Iverson to distract us, the focus is squarely on Donnie Walsh and the eventual unveiling of this grand plan.

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  1. J_Starks3
    Dec 06, 2009, 5:27 pm at 5:27 pm #

    Good piece.

    I agree on the AI point.

    Step two is signing Amare or Joe johnson.

  2. blackwood
    Dec 06, 2009, 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #

    Tommy I will be responding to this Zeek bash artical and hope it get’s the same love this one sided misleading artical has recived in being posted.
    Giving donnie a pass blaming zeek is trash, but i will not go in to it at this point any forther then saying you will be reciving my reply artical soon.

    I will say that part of rebuilding is making the most of high draft picks!!

    • DanL
      Dec 06, 2009, 6:31 pm at 6:31 pm #

      I’m looking forward to reading blackwood’s article but if he is going to measure GMs by evaluating what they did with high draft picks, I’d like to hear his explanation for trading away the second overall pick for Eddy Curry, taking Channing Frye instead of Andrew Bynum and Trading Marbury for what could be a top 5 pick this year.

      • DanL
        Dec 06, 2009, 6:45 pm at 6:45 pm #

        Other things is, Donnie drafted Gallo, who is proving a better choice than anyone drafted after him. Knicks fans go around in circles about this. Gallo could turn into Bird and some people will still be crying for Eric Gordon.

    • Qaspec
      Dec 06, 2009, 6:57 pm at 6:57 pm #

      How is it Zeke bashing if it’s all true? Zeke deserves to be bashed for his horrendous performance with the Knicks. Zeke was an idiot and the worst executive in the history of the league. He didn’t understand the the NBA salary cap. Made financial moves that constrained the team. Didn’t see that NBA rule changes had steered the league away big slow centers so he signed or traded for every big slow guy with as big a contract as possible (James, Curry, Randolph). I mean he destroyed an entire league for Christ sake (CBA)! (Now thats Zeke bashing).

      Donnie has had some bad decisons and missed opportunties but it’s nowhere in the same vicinity as Isiah. I’m not going to mention anyone by names but I read some of these posts and it’s the same guys bashing

      Donnie
      Dantoni
      Lee
      Gallo

      while at the same time defending
      Isiah
      Starbury
      Nate “Lil Him”

      I wonder what’s so different between the first list and the second list? Let’s try to rate this team on performance instead of anything else. The Knicks just head their best week of the seaon but yet I’m seeing the most negative comments to date this year.

      oh….and saying “good win” and then complaining the rest of the post, refusing to give credit to the people you dislike doesn”t meant that you are not entirely negative. It’s like saying “With all due respect” before you call somebody fat.

      • Dave the Rave
        Dec 06, 2009, 8:32 pm at 8:32 pm #

        I agree with everything, Quaspec, except did Zeke destroy the CBA? I guess you were kidding.

        Zeke as was bad as any pro exec in history, but Elgin Baylor comes close. He had gigabucks to spend and instead of a dynasty like the Yanks the Knicks became a wreak. Zeke has no business sense and it totally incompetent as a team builder and coach. He should have at least hired a coach and stayed off the floor.

        Walsh did great so far in clearing out most awful contracts and players who don’t have what it takes to play championship ball. NO one could do any better. Now we have tons of cap space. That’s better than nothing. He needs a year or 2 more to show us what he can do. Most whiners in this blog think he can pull any deal he wants, as if there weren’t 29 other teams also trying to make deals. Gallo and Hill were good picks in theory. Many teams have the same result with draft picks. It’s a crap shoot. We’ll see what Walsh can do by the end of July. I won’t judge him till then.

    • Tommy Dee
      Dec 06, 2009, 9:34 pm at 9:34 pm #

      theknicksblog@gmail.com

  3. blackwood
    Dec 06, 2009, 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #

    here is something Lebron our #1 target this off season had to say and reflects on DONNIES drafting last draft!

    http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63236/20091206/lebron_excited_by_jennings_says_scoring_50_is_difficult/

  4. Realist_Knick_Fan
    Dec 06, 2009, 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #

    I don’t think the Bulls signed James – we traded him and Thomas for Hughes – James is an expiring 2010 contract. Bulls just wanted to get rid of Hughes on the bench – it was a swap of expirings.

    Agreed with earlier post – the most sound way of rebuilding is through the draft. Acquiring players through FA is difficult and hard to do. There usually has to be a draft pick plus a big FA for championship to work (Kobe and Shaq) or another team’s GM who has a previous allegiance to that team in the 1980s gift wrapping the missing piece (KG and McHale – but even in that scenario – Paul Pierce was drafted – we do not have a Paul Pierce on this roster via the draft – bad drafting this decade – just a bad past two decades really – save Charlie Ward).

  5. Thall
    Dec 06, 2009, 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #

    “zeek is trash”

    we all agree with you blackwood.
    no arguements here. LoL

  6. Kid Tarheel
    Dec 06, 2009, 6:39 pm at 6:39 pm #

    I stopped reading this blog daily because its impossible to read all of the negative comments about Donnie Walsh and why he didn’t draft so and so or trade for so and so. Or why he’s a terrible person because he doesn’t want to mortgage the future to try and barely make the playoffs this season by dipping into next year’s cash. It is nice to read a well thought out post acknowledging the fact that our hands are tied and have been for awhile. The NBA is very unlike other sports because of the salary cap, and it has been so poorly mismanaged in NY for way too long. When Donnie was hired he said he was gonna fix that- and he has fixed it in a very short time. Our future is bright no matter what happens in free agency this year. We can make moves based on the value of the move, and not have to worry about the salary cap getting in the way.

    I say our plan should be to try and get Lebron in 2010. If that fails try and get Bosh or Johnson and try for Carmelo in 2011. I think patience is paramount and will allow us the opportunity to build a team for the future without handcuffing ourselves with bad contracts. .

    • DanL
      Dec 06, 2009, 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #

      It’s tough to explain common sense to the senseless.

      • DanL
        Dec 06, 2009, 6:47 pm at 6:47 pm #

        (I’m agreeing with you…lol)

    • Cheech
      Dec 06, 2009, 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #

      This is spot on…good stuff Kid Tarheel

    • DaGawD_KnowLedge
      Dec 06, 2009, 8:51 pm at 8:51 pm #

      donnie plan is good so far
      but he will over pay 1 player or 2

      he has already over payed for duhon.

      plus this league is all about over paying players..

    • Bob go knicks
      Dec 07, 2009, 2:48 am at 2:48 am #

      our future is bright no mater what happens in free agency next year? are you wearing a skull shunt?

  7. KnickFaninMD
    Dec 06, 2009, 7:41 pm at 7:41 pm #

    Doctors Walsh and D’Antoni are in, and for all you fans who thought there were no consequences to years bad living, it’s time to shut up and take your medicine. It you want to get well you can’t cheat, cut corners and think that there’s any easy solution, then you need to reexamine your basketball/sports/life IQ. Life, business and creating a true championship team is hard, deal with it.

    I am more hopeful of championship today than I’ve been for nearly a decade. Anything less is BS.

  8. ds2488
    Dec 06, 2009, 7:43 pm at 7:43 pm #

    Yeah nice article and I agree with everyone here. Blackwood im sorry but Zeke was one of the worst gms in the history of the league, no question about it. By the end of his run, we were spending over 100 million on teams that couldn’t win more than 32 games. Thats insane, we were paying 2x as much as most teams for players that were half as good. He was a horrible drafter and as much as the jury’s still out on DW’s draft picks I think most would agree Gallinari is the best young prospect the KNicks have had in a long time, at least since Zeke’s run as gm. And Zeke is still screwing us to this day. Its just facts right there, I can’t wait to see what sort of spin you try and put on this.

  9. Jeff Zachowski
    Dec 06, 2009, 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #

    I believe Underpants Gnomes is the preferred nomenclature.

  10. BiggieSmalls
    Dec 06, 2009, 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #

    Zeke’s regime turned out pretty bad no doubt. He changed the script more times than a soap opera. And the harassment stuff was the icing on the cake.

    First mistake was bringing in Larry.. But that was on Dolan and was the beginning of the end.

    Buit Zeke DID take a roster that was old and overpaid, non talented and mismatched and turned it into a young, overpaid, talented but mismatched roster.

    He gave up too much in mid level contracts and gave away too much for E City.

    But the problems in NYC go back way way befor ethat and it all gooes back to Dolan.

    Dolan was the one who wanted Camby and Spree off the roster. He was the one who wanted to sign Allan Houston and He was the one who promoted the frat house atmosphere n the business unit.

    Zeke’s ultimate undoing was Dolan insisting that he run the team as a head coach and handle the roster as a GM. After the sex suit Marbury was personna non grata and IT lost the team.

    Point is there is a long history of Suck at the garden and it reeks from the top. I just hope Dolan stays out of Donnie’s hair.. First strike was trying to push for the playoffs last year..

    Ill let it go at that.

    • Knicks4life
      Dec 06, 2009, 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #

      Agreed. To blame Zeek for everything is misguided. He tried to get us a franchise PG in Marbury, but gave up too much to get him, became too friendly with him, and didn’t do a thorough enough check into his mental makeup (anyone who writes all alone on his shoes probably isn’t your franchise player).

      He also tried to get us a franchise center but (see above) made the same exact mistakes with Marbury. He also had no idea how to build a team. He put a bunch of young, impressionable questionable character and work ethic guys on the same team with veterans who couldn’t contribute on the court to be the role models. Once he had Marbury, Curry, Crawford, he should have brought in defensive minded veterans who had won and could still contribute.

      Donnie is 180 degrees from Thomas. He doesn’t overpay for anything and sees needs but would rather be patient than reactive. I’m not in the fire Donnie or fire D’Antoni camp. Way too early. But I would like to see some holes filled before 2010 and better drafting in the interm.

      BTW Gallo is already better than all of the players drafted after him. Really?

      • HaS
        Dec 06, 2009, 8:51 pm at 8:51 pm #

        Both of you are spot on imo. Knicks4Life and Biggie.

      • Tommy Dee
        Dec 06, 2009, 9:37 pm at 9:37 pm #

        what excuse do knick fans have for the lame half assed effort from Brook lopez in the 2nd half.

        seriously. he was invisible. no?

        • Knicks4life
          Dec 06, 2009, 10:16 pm at 10:16 pm #

          No excuses, bad second half by Lopez. But, it is just one half. Guy has proven he can play in this league and I don’t take one half and say this player is better than that player or so forth.

        • akdrum
          Dec 06, 2009, 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm #

          The faces Lopez makes are funny
          He looks and runs like he has to take a sh*t

        • bockersORbriefs
          Dec 06, 2009, 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #

          TD, what a low blow to Bro-Lo … granted Lopez wasn’t effective in the 2nd half but I attributed that more to foul trouble & (believe it or not) D’Ant’s strategy of playing zone. The zone limited Harris’ penetration & that was key to cooling Bro-Lo (and Harris) off.

          How is it that when Gallo “disappears” he’s neing “frozen out” by teammates … but one bad half by Lopez is entirely his fault !
          Be fair Tommy …

          b/t/w Lopez’ season stats vs. Gallo’s below:

          Bro-Lo:
          18.9 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 49 fg%, 83 ft%, 1.7 apg, 2.3 bpg, 36 mpg

          Gallo:
          14.1 ppg, 4.8 rpg , 45 fg%, 81 ft$, 1.4 apg, 0.7 bpg, 30 mpg

          Of course Gallo shoots nearly 45% in 3pfg% compared to zip for Lopez but Bro-Lo is a true center who should not be shooting 3s. So, “invisable” 2nd half or not today, I’d take the California dude over the Italian 3 pt specialist if I were starting a team.

          • DanL
            Dec 06, 2009, 11:26 pm at 11:26 pm #

            A “dominant” center/low post guy should net you more than 1 win in 20 tries. He’s a nice player, but he’s no franchise cornerstone.

          • ScottD
            Dec 07, 2009, 10:51 am at 10:51 am #

            When comparing field goal percentages, keep in mind that Gallo’s impressive 45% is based on a player who does not play near the the basket.

            What would Lopez’ % look like if he stepped away from the basket?

        • Bob go knicks
          Dec 07, 2009, 2:52 am at 2:52 am #

          Tommy,you sound more n more like a 12 year old knicks fan when you get yer sarcasm up LOL……..DUCK!

    • mhc423
      Dec 06, 2009, 8:46 pm at 8:46 pm #

      I agree with you totally. But you also forgot how bad Scott Layden was.

      • Bob go knicks
        Dec 07, 2009, 2:55 am at 2:55 am #

        they have almost all been bad.think about it.beside the ewing KNICKS,and the champion era teams,the KNICKS,for the most part ,have always sucked!i know,ive been a fan for 45 years.watching these guys this year,is harder than you all think

  11. ds2488
    Dec 06, 2009, 8:30 pm at 8:30 pm #

    I agree that a lot of blame goes on Dolan Biggie, but Zeke had one of the best situations any gm could as for in that he had an owner willing to pay as much money as possible. Dolan may interfere too much and Zeke was inheriting a messy terrible roster from Layden, but Zeke pretty much had free run to do whatever he wanted financially and creatively speaking and all he did was make a really bad situation exponentially worse. And we can still see that today and its definitely still working against DW. We are paying 2 players who have no business playing 17 million or more a year total. We now have no draft pick that would seem to definitely be a top 10 pick this upcoming draft in a talented class. I understand that it starts at the top and Dolan is definitely part of the problem, but Zeke dug his own grave with his horrible management and its still hurting us today. To try and make it like Dolan interfered by imposing Larry Brown and then the coaching job on Zeke would be overlooking the 2 years he completely failed on his own after promising to turn the team around right away. The difference is DW has always said its about 2010, and most fans seemed to agree with that sentiment at the time.

    • BiggieSmalls
      Dec 06, 2009, 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm #

      promising to turn the team right around was fools gold.. and it has been since we traded Ewing.bad move but was that Dolan speaking behind the curtain?

      tell me..and be honest.. Lets say we never hired Larry Brown and there was never a sexual harassment problem.

      I think things could have been every different. Remember that all the zeke contracts on the roster when he left were scheduled to expire in 2011.. One year b4 the big year but maybe not if Lebron decides to take the players option (a possibility) and stays one more year in Cleveland. Then 2011 is REALLY a big year..

      Donnie has struck to the script for the most part.. except when i chastised him for taking Lee off the market and not pushing for a dump at the deadline last year..

      • ds2488
        Dec 06, 2009, 9:02 pm at 9:02 pm #

        Biggie I will say this in Zeke’s defense and it is probably the only time I will ever compliment him. He actually had that team from 3 years ago playing good bball when he was forced to be their coach and gm after Larry Brown I believe. They were sticking around .500 and fighting for the final playoff spot playing hard for their coach Zeke as he was in the last year of his contract. Out of nowhere, right after the allstar break I think Dolan decided to extend Zeke’s contract and then everything fell apart. It was a classic foolish rush move by Dolan and I think it played a part in Zeke’s demise. But everything after that was just really bad and had no way of ever working even without the sexual harrasment. It was an absolutely retarded idea to trade for Randolph and destoryed the remaining bit of Curry’s confidence and was probably the final nail in the coffin for Zeke. Anyway, regardless of all that stuff it was still a completely horrible job by Zeke. I mean he spent all that money on Jefferies, Curry, Big Snacks, and QRich and all those guys ended up being really poor moves. A team with that many bad contracts is not going to work out ever, in any situation.

      • DanL
        Dec 06, 2009, 11:31 pm at 11:31 pm #

        Oh please! As if Isiah wouldn’t have taken all the contracts set to expire in 2011 and traded them for Stephen Jackson and Elton Brand, and then he sign Corey Brewer to the full midlevel. Getting rid of expiring contracts or letting them expire is something Donnie does, and never something Isiah did.

  12. Knicks4life
    Dec 06, 2009, 8:52 pm at 8:52 pm #

    By the way, I decided to go to the game today . I had vowed never to go again until the Knicks started playing respectabel basketball and after a couple of nice wins I decided to go to the Garden again. Hard to really evaluate a players game on TV too.

    Watching it live I can say Duhon is worse than I thought. Jeffries isn’t good either but his energy, especially that charge that he took in the 4th qtr really fired up the team. I can see why D’Antoni likes him, but he just is not a good basketball player. Sad to see Nate glued to the bench and not up and cheering the team on.

    Larry Hughes seems to be the key to this team both on offense and defense. If he can find some consistency, this team can win some games.

    If Gallo beefs up a little bit and becomes a natural 4, he may be able to be special (not Dirk but special nonethless). He can flat out shoot but Donnie was right, to be effective in this league he will have to become a four which means he has to learn how to rebound, in traffic, and defend the post. He can’t defend wing players thats for sure and he’s taller than I thought. WIth that said, and Hill on the roster, I just don’t see where Lee fits in, especially at the $$ he is looking for. Hope Gallo’s back injury doesn’t keep him from hitting the weights.

    If this team can get a real PG they can win 30 games. Maybe more. True they were playing the Nets but they are not as bad as I originally thought. Duhon walking the ball up the floor and just being all around awful is the team’s biggest detriment.

  13. JeffFinance123
    Dec 06, 2009, 9:03 pm at 9:03 pm #

    Matt Harpring out for year
    Mike James on trading block
    Andre Miller unhappy/Oden out for year
    Larry Brown looking for a big man

    Walsh better get cracking and take advantage of one of the above to get rid of Jeffries and/or Curry. If trade deadline passes and neither one is gone, that is simply unacceptable.

    Ths most realistic scenario, with Oden’s injury, Miller’s unhappiness, and Outlaw out for a long time is:

    Travis Outlaw and Andre Miller for Jared Jeffries and Nate Robinson

    Trade works salary wise, but needs Nate approval.

    Portland gets a decent PF/C in Jeffries to give them another athletic big while they get a decent playmaker in Robinson. At same time, getting rid of “mistake” of Andre Miller. Outlaw out many months anyway.

    Coaches want Nate gone, and the swap of Jeffries for Miller gets NYK a 2010 starting PG and a much better use of 2010 salary cap.

    Ideally, NYK would love to dump Curry for Miller/Outlaw, but I just don’t see Portland biting on that one…….

    • bartnyk
      Dec 06, 2009, 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #

      You would rather Andre Miller than a young freak athlete in Jerryd Bayless?? @ 2.1 million

      • JeffFinance123
        Dec 06, 2009, 9:26 pm at 9:26 pm #

        Well, Andre Miller is a veteran proven PG that could be a piece alongside James and (fill in the free agents) to start winning now. Bayless has “potential” but hasn’t shown much anyway in Portland. I’d rather be stuck with Miller than Jeffries. A better use of $7 million in the cap.

      • JeffFinance123
        Dec 06, 2009, 9:28 pm at 9:28 pm #

        Also, why would Portland give away a cheap young talent anyway? What for? Miller they WANT to get rid of……..

      • BiggieSmalls
        Dec 06, 2009, 9:30 pm at 9:30 pm #

        with the Coach benching Nate and being coy about the reasons his value is never lower.. no way you get Bayless for him.

        Why doesnt Chandler get benched for the horrid shot selection and Duhon for sucking so bad?

        And your boy TD only get 6 minutes?

        • Mucha
          Dec 06, 2009, 10:40 pm at 10:40 pm #

          Gallinari had Rafer Alston or Keyon Dooling guarding him on the perimeter, Toney Douglas did not see the mismatch and took an ill-advised jumpshot. Boink.

          It was a bad decision.

          Will’s D and shot-selection have been disappointing since the start of the season. But he shows some perseverence under the basket.

          We need Bayless.

          • DanL
            Dec 06, 2009, 11:34 pm at 11:34 pm #

            Douglas is a rookie! Seriously people, I mean, wtf. PG is the hardest position in the league to learn and then play.

            We “need” Bayless? “Need”??? Yea that’s what the Knicks are missing. Let’s get Bayless in here, who can’t get off the bench in Portland, and he’ll right the ship.

          • DaGawD_KnowLedge
            Dec 07, 2009, 12:13 am at 12:13 am #

            lmao

          • bartnyk
            Dec 07, 2009, 12:36 am at 12:36 am #

            You have to think before you post man

            If Bayless was as good as he could be at this point, we would have NO chance at getting him, the reason hes not is because he’s on a team with Brandon Roy and they want a pass first guard in the back court with him.

            Portland however has “wants to have their cake and eat it too syndrome ” they wont change because Brandon Roy is their star player but they seem to not want to give up Bayless although him and Roy on the same team wont work.

            Bayless was one of the best PGs guards in his draft class he has a WAY higher ceiling than Douglas.

          • DanL
            Dec 07, 2009, 8:19 am at 8:19 am #

            I’m not saying don’t get Bayless or that he wouldn’t help, but to say we “need” him is a little far fetched.

          • Mucha
            Dec 07, 2009, 1:57 pm at 1:57 pm #

            Yes he’s a rookie, but when rookies make mistakes they GO TO THE BENCH. It’s not rocket science.

            Douglas didn’t play well against the Nets, it is what it is.

  14. DaGawD_KnowLedge
    Dec 06, 2009, 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #

    after next summer the team will improve

    but not by much.

    this franchise will stink for a few more years an then hopefully it will reach the finals an then from there u can say this franchise is going somewhere..

  15. chubby
    Dec 06, 2009, 10:49 pm at 10:49 pm #

    After this year, after couple of years… WTH???
    Who has the patience to wait??? And who said that going max on 1 or 2 superstars will push this franchise forward?

    DW should go and twist hands to other 29 GMs for impossible trades and fantasy deals to create competitive roster now, BEFORE that elusive superstar arrives.

    • DanL
      Dec 06, 2009, 11:36 pm at 11:36 pm #

      Yea. All Donnie has to do is go “twist hands” and make “impossible trades and fantasy deals”. Otherwise what? He should be fired?

      Amazing.

    • DanL
      Dec 06, 2009, 11:39 pm at 11:39 pm #

      By the way, I think comments like this are the reason it was thought that you can’t rebuild in New York. “Who has the patience to wait???”

      That’s the kind of thinking that was either thrust on Isiah and Layden or that they brought with them and it’s led to 10 years of misery.

      If you know anything, know this: You don’t have a choice but to wait, and if you don’t want to be a Knicks fan because you aren’t willing to wait, then don’t be a Knicks fan, because they’ll never be good if they don’t patiently clean up the mess of the last decade.

    • choggs
      Dec 07, 2009, 3:49 am at 3:49 am #

      i’ve been waiting for 9 years. I still have patience for 9 more.

  16. DaGawD_KnowLedge
    Dec 06, 2009, 11:07 pm at 11:07 pm #

    the knicks will be good when dolan jr is gone he is the main prob.

  17. Heri
    Dec 07, 2009, 1:44 am at 1:44 am #

    Did someone die? Why is every body apologizing? Signing two free agents isn’t rebuilding. Who says we’re lost this season? Fu@k 2010. Walsh lost last year, one year, this year is just beginning.

  18. Heri
    Dec 07, 2009, 1:47 am at 1:47 am #

    Here we are 2.5 games out of the playoffs with 61 games remaining after a terrible start and I see a mass for a burial taking place around here?

  19. Heri
    Dec 07, 2009, 1:52 am at 1:52 am #

    Let’s talk trades to improve the playoff development, let’s talk playoff development. Take the white flag and bury the sucker. the Knicks seem to be turning it around. We don’t need a run, because we’re only 2.5 games out of playoff development for the youth.

  20. manners
    Dec 07, 2009, 2:00 am at 2:00 am #

    These posts are one of the main reasons why this franchise has been has been so bad!!!……. You say that you want the team to rebuild. To change the roster. Well you know that the only way for this to occur is to strip the roster down completely and void it of those bad contracts and players.. And then when someone has the guts to do so now your impatient. Now you want Donnie Walsh to make a desperate move so that you can be entertained.
    Listen to what Walsh is saying!! He is saying that he wants to be in the running for free agents. He also says that having cap space affords him more opportunities to make trades and deals.
    I’m probably saying this out of anger but I’m such a Knicks fan that it would be hard to stop reading about them but I am seriously contemplating not logging on here any longer because of you ignorant guys.

    • Bob go knicks
      Dec 07, 2009, 3:02 am at 3:02 am #

      UHHHH…….YA GOT ANY GUM?

      • Heri
        Dec 07, 2009, 7:43 am at 7:43 am #

        Gum? Nope, how bout some hay? You can do like a goat and chew hay.

  21. Heri
    Dec 07, 2009, 2:00 am at 2:00 am #

    Gallo is playing and looking decent. You know trade talk is taking place. I know Rubio wants to be a Knick. Hill hasn’t played yet, but will; or be part of a big trade.

    • Bob go knicks
      Dec 07, 2009, 3:04 am at 3:04 am #

      I SAW AN ARTICLE THIS MORNING ,in a spanish paper,and in it RUBIO says”NO WAY IM EVER PLAYING FOR NEW YORK” where do you get your info HERI?

      • Heri
        Dec 07, 2009, 7:09 am at 7:09 am #

        If you read such article, who cares where I get my info. Kahn and you are right, Rubio will play in Minnesota.

  22. Heri
    Dec 07, 2009, 2:12 am at 2:12 am #

    Douglas looks so good, that Nate’s on the bench. We beat Phoenix and Atlanta without Gallo or Nate. We’ve won 3 of 4 in the last 4 games. Why are we talking about losing to rebuild and not about playoff development for the youth?

  23. Heri
    Dec 07, 2009, 6:57 am at 6:57 am #

    I think it’s fair to say that most people were optimistic heading into the season. It started out terrible and now we’re talking about a need to lose due to rebuilding.

  24. Heri
    Dec 07, 2009, 7:05 am at 7:05 am #

    I’m not judging a long season on the first 15 games. It’s not how you start, but how you finsih. The youth should make it a better finish. The playoffs aren’t out of the picture. Trades and playoff development for the youth can make this a very exciting and interesting season.

  25. Heri
    Dec 07, 2009, 7:15 am at 7:15 am #

    I once read an article with the title, “the ten worst moves by Dolan.”. Something like that. It can’t be denied, Dolan is the constant in the misery.

  26. Heri
    Dec 07, 2009, 7:23 am at 7:23 am #

    The best way to describe Dolan is, “The big shot behind the curtain.” He says nothing while destroying everything. Mad’s “who me?” A few years back the talk was of the NBA forcing him out. Can it get any worst than that for an owner?

  27. Heri
    Dec 07, 2009, 9:57 am at 9:57 am #

    Prior to the draft, Spain’s media mentioned NY as the best possible landing location for Rubio. Prior to the draft Rubio mentioned it would be an honor to be drafted by NY.

  28. Heri
    Dec 07, 2009, 10:01 am at 10:01 am #

    Prior to the draft, Rubio’s father said Rubio would play in Europe if Minnesota drafted him.

  29. Heri
    Dec 07, 2009, 10:04 am at 10:04 am #

    Rubio was a projected top pick, but did everything he could do to drop, and he fall he did.

  30. Heri
    Dec 07, 2009, 10:08 am at 10:08 am #

    Kahn drafted Rubio, but also drafted Flynn because Kahn knew that Rubio would have to be forced, in a nice way to play in Minny. Flynn was insurance to guarantee a point guard.

  31. Heri
    Dec 07, 2009, 10:12 am at 10:12 am #

    If Rubio didn’t want to play in Minnesota, Golden State selected next. Do you think Rubio wanted Golden State or NY, which selected after Golden State?

  32. Heri
    Dec 07, 2009, 10:17 am at 10:17 am #

    Rubio only decided to stay in Europe when the report surfaced that Kahn had beaten the so called buy out.

  33. Heri
    Dec 07, 2009, 10:22 am at 10:22 am #

    Rubio had to play Kahn’s game because Rubio couldn’t say that he would only play for NY. It would make Rubio a target of some players and the league that wouldn’t approve.

  34. Heri
    Dec 07, 2009, 10:28 am at 10:28 am #

    to kill such mind frame, the league reacted by hitting Stephon Jackson in the pocket for requesting to be traded and listing the teams. Jackson didn’t understand why it happened to him and not to Kobe. I understood it.

  35. Heri
    Dec 07, 2009, 10:33 am at 10:33 am #

    Rubio wants to be a Knick, he will never play in Minnesota. Kahn must trade Rubio and other teams don’t want anything to do with it which hurts the value of return. Kahn played innocent, but he knew the possibilities and must now deal with the facts.

    • HaS
      Dec 07, 2009, 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm #

      Jesus man, can you keep your thoughts in 1 thread? It’s just neater and doesn’t look as OCD..

      No shots.

      • HaS
        Dec 07, 2009, 1:02 pm at 1:02 pm #

        Rubio is a huge risk. He looks slow and can’t shoot from the outside, that is a bad combination. Without a strong team defense to keep him in the open court off turnovers he could be a liability in the half court offense. He seems a little soft and fragile also it would be interesting to see how he fares against NBA level defense/competition.

        • HaS
          Dec 07, 2009, 1:04 pm at 1:04 pm #

          High risk and high reward are the types of risks this team needs to make. Brandon Jennings fit that mold.

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