Trade Talk Doesn’t Bother Curry

Curry shouldn’t play every game, he might be able to play but I don’t think he’s 100% ready.

Monday play, tuesday sit, wednesday play, thursday sit…

“If Curry excels, he also can become another piece to draw a 2010 free agent” — sorry this made me laugh. Curry excel??? He’s been in the NBA for about 9 years now and has NEVER excelled. And please don’t count that year with Isiah because Isiah was forcing the offense through him so Isiah wouldn’t look like a bonehead for trading multiple draft picks for this guy.
Curry can’t rebound, block shots or play defense. Not to mention he has never played with any heart or determination. He is just a one dimensional low post scorer with no work ethic. And is only effective if you give him the ball every time. Make no mistake, I would love to see Curry at least average 8 points to at least trade him but I’m starting to believe no team will want him with his past history of zero work ethic, weight issues and injuries.

If D’antoni or DW messes this up I will go crazy… under no circumstances with the way this unit is playing now should Curry see the floor. They are moving around on both offense and defense which is the main reason for their recent success… if Curry comes on the floor the entire unit changes from one that is quick and fluid with court vision on offense and defense to a team that is a half court stalled offense and a slow moving defense which won’t rotate on men down low and will pick up fouls. The key to a good team is court vision, it’s something that Nate and Curry both lack.

Bottom line is this and it may be hard to swallow for some: No one wants Eddy Curry period end of story… I can almost promise you if you asked every single GM in this league if they wanted Eddy Curry with the contract he has now, you will not have a single GM interested unless in return you take back one of their long term bad contracts… If you want to play JJ out there and hope someone takes him I understand that for two reasons, at this point he is a more valuable piece to a team contending and when he is out there for the Knicks he fits into the fast quick, team playing with court vision strategy…. but let’s just end this Eddy Curry can be traded talk, because whether he plays or not no one is taking an overweight big man with an overweight contract who in addition has a history of heart and knee problems.

BMatt
Still we have to count that year
Big Ed did excell up to the point of All Star slection consideration, that was a good year for him and then Zeke put a fly into the soup adding Zach Randolph and that pair seemed to only work once and that was a noce win in the Garden versus Denver.

I agree with not blocking or block shots, he’ll pull down boards but not like we’d expect from him. Last year was a rough year for Ed off and on the court moreso off the court far as his emotional stability is concerned.

I think Ed could be steered in the right direction and if we still or dont have him Ed should visit Tim Groves or Grover over the summer most of the players trying to improve on strength and conditioning do.

i think you underestimate the stupidity of NBA GMs

People never thought Crawford would be tradeable, and he was twice… same thing with zach.

He is an expiring contract next year, and he is a big man in a league that loves big men.

he has to be played, not a ton, but a little.

Who knows, maybe he helps things.

Eddy should be out there in small doses, 1 to get in basketball shape and be attractable to GMs, 2 to have a low post presence on occassions in the SSOL offense.

I’m still complaining because I want to see more Darko. Tommy what is your take On Darko’s game?

Guess if you can trade Jerome James anything is possible….

hey td,

while ec is the talk, more immediately, are any conversations about nate emerging. we love hime, but it is about winning and positive influence, not style points and constant arguing.

does nate for jerryd b make sense and can it work financially. portland needs a scoring 2 i think with rudy f now out. nate is from the pac nw; although portland does not need to sell tix. any other fits for this kryptonate?

Rubio will be a Knick. I guarantee it.
You don’t like the Rubio talk, too darn bad.

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Even if Curry excelled, (a monster “if”) his skill set is still not right for this team. I don’t care if he’s putting 18/8 like the old days, if he’s tradeable we better pull the trigger. He’s slow, has no transition game whatsoever and plays lousy defense. He could get injured or become complacent and start packing on the pounds again. Or both.

I’m sure he’s a good guy and I sympathize with what’s been going on in his personal life, but I have absolutely ZERO interest in him remaining a Knick.

Curry should want to be out there adding to the success! But I’m pretty sure Eddy’s outlook is Nates fault….if anyone believes what some writers will have u believe; that the teams ‘success’ is because Nate is out of the rotation, I have got a bridge I think u’d like to buy

LOL.

excel [ɪkˈsɛl]
verb
1. to be superior to (another or others); surpass
2. (intr; foll by in or at) to be outstandingly good or proficient
[from Latin excellere to rise up]

Does anyone really think Curry can excel?

Can we stipulate that until this guy can play a week…one goddamn week WITHOUT INJURY, then we’ll talk about how he can be shipped out?

Thall is now using my name.

Difference between Crawford, Z-BO and Curry

Crawford for Al Harrington- First off Crawford stayed healthy never had real long term injuries, no one questioned work ethic and most importantly he and Al Harrington had the same exact contracts…. and as I said you might be able to trade Curry but only for another long and awful contract
Z-Bo- Probably a closer comparison to Curry in contract size but talent wise it would be foolish to compare. Randolph never had injury problems, was decent in Portland which increased his marketability, was performing at pretty high level when he played here put up 20/10 but was just not the right fit. Z-Bo was and still is considered a player that can put up those numbers and there are still GM’s that believe he is worth somewhat close to the contract he has… look at his numbers this year, he can be an all-star.
Yes if we traded Eddy Curry 3 years ago we could have gotten value back for him but circumstances have changed he no longer has anything in his knee’s and has gotten bigger weight wise. It’s like saying someone would take on Peja’s contract now because he was good 7 years ago.

Guys, you can’t use crawford and randolph as examples of bad contracts that were easily tradable. The truth is, those are both very good players, to an extent. Randolph pretty much beet the cavs last night, crawford has had some phenominal games for the hawks, a top team.

Curry’s contract is even worse than theirs and he hasn’t done a THING in this league in 2 years. Every time he comes back he misses another 10 games the next day.

Let’s face it. He’s not going anywhere.

Fortunately, rebuilding doesn’t have to happen over night, and with some success this season, and a super-free agent next summer, we will be near the top of the east… and then in 2011 when curry is off the books, we will be on the market again.

I could see us having a great 2010 season and almost winning the east, if not winning it (if lebron comes), and then in 2011 be able to add ANOTHER great piece.

Curry will stay. They shouldn’t even bother playing him.

Lebron loses to Memphis in Overtime.. LMAO>> COme to pappa.

all together now:

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I’m sure 99% of the readers of this blog want to trade Eddy. I just don’t see it happening. On the bright side, he’ll come off the cap after next year (same with JJ but he, I think is tradeable). Leaving me with the dream that we get Lebron this year and team him with Melo the year after. I know, way too many IFs but I like the thought.

BTW, On a previous thread I said I would be pleasantly surprised if the Knicks went 500 for the season. Sorry, I meant if they went 500 the rest of the way thus ending up with a 35ish win season. I will be very surprised if they end up with a 40 or better win season. BTW, FWIW, I know I don’t post that often but I really wish the hating would be toned down. Makes me not want to engage at all.

I’ll tell you what, Curry may not be all that we want him to be, but he is better than you make out. In fact, if he is not doubled in the post, he is pretty much unstopable and will score points like a madman. The mere fact that you HAVE to double Curry in the blocks creates an imbalance that the Knicks need to learn to take advantage of. The problem is that he has not been playing enough to meld his game in with the rest of the team. I think that a decent low post game will compliment D’An’s offense and open up the perimeter somewhat. I may be in the minority here, but I think that if Curry is able to refine his game, he would be a nice compliment to whatever ‘A’ player(s) they bring in here next year.

bmathews77……………Your cold!!!!!!…. Yeah Eddie Curry hasn’t lived up to his talents. He’s been a bum with no work ethic so far. Came out as a teenager. ow many teens are mature??? No excuses but he was drafted as a 18 yr old . Not many teenagers can turn around a franchise. He’s had weight issues, later it was discovered that he had heart issues and those injuries have hindered any progress he’s made. But it’s not his fault that Isiah gave up so many draft picks to get him. You can’t hold that against him!!! And if you had a dominate scoring center you too would throw the ball down low to him time after time. Knicks were actually good that season!!!!.
I’m in the minority but I also would like to see him remain with the team cause when he’s right no one can stop him down low.

Not Hawthorne Wingo…I hear you. There is way too much hate here

I hear what your saying but Curry is not a teenager anymore. He’s 27 years old and is an NBA veteran. I find it inexcusable for a 7 footer who is a center that cannot block a shot or put up better rebounding numbers. I agree that many centers do need their teammates to throw them the ball down low but these centers also are good at getting the ball themselves. I don’t see Andrew Bynum always asking Kobe for the ball down low. Bynum goes up for rebounds or gets block to get a shot for himself. And you say the Knicks were good that season when Curry did well…did they make the playoffs? I believe they didnt so in my opinion that is not a good season. The only thing I give Curry is yes he’s got good hands down low to score but he can’t do anything else. Even passing out of double teams is hard for him. He just doesn’t fit in with this team or the 2010 plans.

haha…I watched that game. The Cavs are in trouble, they really don’t have any real plays other than give the ball to Lebron. Thats a huge weakness that Orlando exposed last year in the playoffs and Memphis exposed yesterday if you play the right defense. Lebron looked frustrated that he was doing everything and his team mates were just standing around.

actually, if we went 500 the rest of the season we would win exactly 37 games, which isn’t enough to make the playoffs, and when you put it like that, it kind of seems like there’s no way we can make the playoffs.

But as long as most of the season goes by with us being right there under the 8th spot, with a hope of a small winstreak putting us in the top 8 at any time, i will be happy.

The problem is that he’s never ‘right.’ Or more specifically, rarely “right.” If he could stay healthy he would be an asset despite his obvious deficiencies, but alas, there’s something Faberge egg fragile about the guy…I hope he does heal up and play, but I think I have probably written that statement 20Xs in the last 4 years.

But here’s to hopin’ anyway, don’t cost nothing i guess.

Curry is still young and should be able to play after losing all the weight

For all Knick haters: you know Curry is 27 years old. You know his career averages are 13.3 pts and 5.3 rebounds. You know there are presently NBA players listed as Centers who average 6.2 points and 6.3 rebounds. Given these facts, you SHOULD know Curry is tradeable if he averages 10 points and 5 rebounds going forward. Go Knicks

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Peace.

No I hear what your saying bmathews77… your right in thatCurry has to take blame for how his career has gone so far. And your points are accurate!!!. All I am saying is that maybe he’s finally realized (grown up) and is taking basketball more seriously. I mean he’s lost a lot of weight which most people struggle with everyday. And gone thrugh some crazy stuff with his driver’s accusations. HIs house being robbed while in it, and his babies mama getting gunned down. I just feel like he’s ready now. Also I think that he would surprise in D’antoni’s system. I don’t think he’s that typical lumbering big man. I’m just saying to give him a chance. Look at him with open eyes and not on the past stuff.

Opposing GM’s will have their eyes on Curry because his trade value is the pits and he might turn into a steal if you need a big body and paint’s offensive weapon.

joetheknick…The points you make about his averages is exactly why I want to keep him around. I think we are being too quick to want to trade him.

Trading Curry would guarantee two top free agents. It might take Lee to trade Curry and this would be like a wrench thrown at this years playoffs.

It is simply because several serial commenters have a percentage in seeing their theories of our consistent malaise being born out. Thus they get downright nasty when they are called out. That’s the internets for you…but one shouldn’t shy away, just ignore or ridicule but keep it civil, let the children name-call, it generally shows how empty their heads are.

Heri…… Exactly…….. He will turn out to be a steal.
If I were Walsh I would be hoping that he plays well and stays healthy but not to trade him but to keep him. I know I’m in the minority but still

I hope so, but I bet that 11 mil expiring at the end of this season has just as much value as his on-court contributions. Either way…please god, please make it be true we need actual players.

Crawford had an extra year on his deal which is why we had to trade him in the first place.

Curry averaged 8 rebounds?

Don’t know if you saw that game but it epitomized how much of a one man show the Cavs are this year. I’m one of the few that believes that team has some talent on it but its like Mike Brown just gives it to LBJ and only starts coaching when the bench players are in the game. At least Chicago ran the triangle with MJ.

I’d take Melo and LBJ in a heartbeat but do you think a team with the two of them on it would really work from a basketball standpoint?

Knicks were not “good” that season.

Who but Eddie is to blame for his work ethic and morbid obesity?

This is what Doug Collins did prior to Phil Jackson taking over as the coach in Chicago with MJ. That way of playing will not win a championship. You would’ve thought the Cavs learned that lesson when they lost to the Magic when they exploited that.

There is a saying fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Curry has fooled us about 156 thousand times the past five years.

The very definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result. It would be insane to keep Curry and expect him to be a productive player for us. But yeah, we are the Knicks so anything is possible.

“Curry excel???”

I was thinking the same thing as you were. Aside from that, Curry can become a “piece to draw a 2010 free agent”??????????? Never in a million years

the knicks want to trade him cuz of his contract,it doesnt matter if he avg 12 and 6

I didnt know final score but I watched some of it and I was really watching how Rudy Gay did not fear LeBron and Memphis dont want him thus no contract extension. Being a UConn guy of course I love Rudy, plan B or C if no Lebron?

Yes, no GM will take Curry (a horrible contract but also a guy who can’t ever be healthy). Will everyone stop with this Curry for T-mac?? It ain’t happpening. End of story.

If your Mike Brown I guess you figure you have had success with it so why change it. Honestly I don’t think the Cavs lost to the Magic because of a lack of offense I think their defense, or lack thereof on the perimeter, doomed them in that series. I think they figure that come playoff time Shaq can guard D. Howard one on one and keep their defenders on the perimeter. Problem is their offense looks worse this year than last and with Shaq, it looks pretty bad.

All this said I expect the Cavs to be their and competing in the Eastern Conference Finals which is 100x better than where we will end up. Do we have a better supporting cast? Probably not, especially with all of our starters other than Wil gone next year, making two max FAs a neccessity.

No I dont, just like I dont think Wade or LBJ can coexist, I maybe wrong though.

Get a life. Seriously

Right! I think the Cav’s offense just looks predictable for opponents that actually play defense. I’m sure Cleveland will win a ton of regular season games again but when they get deeper in the playoffs that predictable offense against the top defensive teams like Boston will show.

I noticed that too. Rudy Gay did a hell of a job making Lebron work for every point. He didn’t back down at all.

If we trade Curry for McGrady, we’d be praying for it to be a steal. They would be too.

Curry is a high percentage shot from inside the paint, he causes the defense in which makes Gallo more dangerous.

He got 7rpg that career year in 06-07, if he returned to that level (not happening) he could maybe snag 8-9rpg in D’antoniball. But that’s merely speculation and you’re right, he was never a good rebounder. I didn’t mean to imply otherwise.

Regardless, my point stands. He could be putting up 15 boards a game, he still needs to go.

We never traded Jerome James for an expiring.

There’s no way Curry’s contract is worse than Randolph’s. But there’s no doubt that Zach is a superior player.

Walsh ain’t stupid. He may be pretty conservative but first chance he gets that makes sense (I’ll assume he won’t be taking back other bloated contracts just to dump Curry) he will ship him out. it will be tough, but not impossible to trade him…but that also assumes Curry can manage to play more than a few games at some point in the next year and a half.

This is not a throw the ball in the post and wait for the big man to make a move offense, your assuming the ball moves through Curry, which it would not because…

A. he can’t get on the court
B. to my knowledge he was not good at passing from the post even when he did play.

Yeah exactly MrFurious. For any of his ability to draw double teams to actually help us, he has to be able to stay on the court for more than 5 games without being hurt. Secondly, as he said, Curry can’t pass for his life and if anyone remembers that great year he had they started doubleteaming him after the allstar break and he had a lot of trouble and that is why the team fell apart. Finally, and this is the most important point, he is making over 12 million per year these next 2 years, so his averages compared to other centers are absolutely meaningless. It seems insane to expect a gm in this down economy where David Lee can’t get 10 million, for someone to pay 12 million for a chance to have a guy put up 12 and 6 with absolutely no defense and has spent the last 2 years unable to stay on the court for more than 5 games without hurting one of his knees. The only way to trade him is to give up young talent with him and even then we would be ripped off because no gm (maybe Wallace or Dumbleavy) is dumb enough to pay that much money for this guy.

Don’t forget Don Nelson….he’d make bonehead moves too…

Off topic but I can’t wait to see John Wall and Kemba Walker in MSG.

Bob: no doubt the Knicks must trade Curry to get further under the cap. My point is that when you compare Curry to the average center (ie: Naz Mohammed) he is definitely tradeable. Hope it happens. Also , I know you are looking for a PG. Do you want Jerryd Bayless for Wilson Chandler?

you call peoiple “knick haters”just because they want to see CURRY traded?

i dont think BAYLESS is a pass first PG,but i would trade CHANDLER,i dont see what everyone else sees in regard to wilson chandler,but back to curry,it doesnt matter that the avg for centers,curry contract is what makes him untradable

Curry doesn’t have to be a great passer, he only needs to keep the ball moving. Inside, out. Two, three or four passes can find Gallo open at the arc with Curry in the paint.

The system has change some what by the coach to benefit the players he has, including Curry.

Let’s look at Curry in a realistic way.

As a player his skill set is one dimensional. He can score in the low post but only against smaller centers and teams that do not play defense. As soon as we play a team who has help defense or a real center his game disappears. The reason is because he has no knowledge of the game itself.

Curry has no idea about the simple fundamentals of basketball. He might have learned them if he went to college or actually listen to the coaches when he first came into the NBA. But he did not and now it’s too late to teach him the basics.

This is his last contract. Nobody will sign him again. He will be broke and forgotten after 2011. Too bad he’s actually a nice fellow. A product of his environment, maybe, whatever he’s going to be forgotten very soon.

If anybody takes him in a trade it’s because his contract goes off the books after next year. So Walsh is playing it the only way he can. Hope Curry shows something and stays healthy for a while.

If anybody does sign him after 2011 it will be at the veteran’s minimum and for a team desperate for some size off the bench.

I agree Knicks4life.

I wanted to give him a chance last year. I really did, because Curry’s a special talent.

But it is over now, it’s OVER.

I think they could.

Melo at the 4
LeBron point forward

Yes but only 6’3 players are legal in Golden State.

Heri. You seem to stir up things in every blog you go to. Let’s just stick to Knicks talk. Geez…