Knicks Offense Creating Space

I agree with what you’ve said Tommy, but it is also due to some changes by Coach. In addition to allowing Gallo and Hughes to cut through the paint going from side to side to get some space as they reach the arc on the other side, there is more P and R and pass and screen happening out on the arc rather the “statue offense” where they stand waiting for Duhon to ocasionally notice them or for Lee to pass it out so that they can go one on one to the basket. The one on one to the hoop works for Harrington, but Gallo and Chandler have been more effective with changes in the offense. I believe that Hughes playing point has had a positive impact on this “arc play” as he is willing to get the ball to Gallo and Chandler more regularly than does Duhon, who only sees Lee. At times, they have run done some more traditional sets with great effect. Kudos to Coach for modifying the offense to better suit his players while maintaining the essence of his system.

Two things that I am waiting to see is:

1) Will Duhon ever pass the ball upcourt on the move? He did it exactly once the last game to Hughes. Gallo and the others stop breaking and start loping up the court after a while because they don’t ever get the ball from Duhon when they are open and breaking on the wing. Hughes is much more effective at passing on the move. The Knicks need those fastbreak points, especially when, as you noted, the treys aren’t falling.

2) Can Lee be on the court with EC? When Curry comes into the game, they have gone into a traditional low post offense. Can Lee still be effective in the high post? Will further changes have to be made if Curry starts getting regular minutes and is able to do the high post pick and roll with Duhon? As you have noted, Tommy, Lee does not have the three point range for the set offense where he would have to be on the arc. Coach can’t have Lee sit throughout any extended minutes if Curry is earning them. How do you play them together within the system?

Heri,
what the heck are you dong polluting this site?
up to your old tricks again. LoL

anyway, i’m copy/pasting this that someone else posted:
(maybe it should be “Sea Beast”)

“The Navy is not just a job, it’s an adventure… blah, blah, blah…It’s a Navy full of wise, strong and hip young man. It’s the Seals and Sea Beas.”

It just shows what an idiot Heri truly is.
Even I know that there’s no such thing as “Sea Beas” It’s Sea Bees a-hole.

Even I know that. And you call yourself a navy man. No wonder the navy has been sinking. The song ‘In The Navy’ is very appropriate for you.

Boots: good post. Lee needs to be on the floor so Curry is going to have to be part of the motion offense. I believe Curry is capable of modifying his game to accommodate the motion offense that has been working. Curry wants to fit in. If he can stay healthy he could help the team. I like Toney Douglas’ game. He is coming along and is learning how to distribute.

Duhon is just not a guy who can run a fast break, we need a speed guard that can effectively run ASAP and be able to create while driving to the hoop. Does Bayless fit that bill?

Bayless is a small 2 guard.

Guys

I really love this excerpt from the David Thorpe top NBA sophmores list that was just posted on ESPN. Thorpe has Gallo currently ranked 8 up from 13 a few weeks ago. He writes about Galllo,

“The Knicks are on the upswing, and Gallo is part of the reason why. He continues to be a shooting threat and has scored in double figures in three of their recent wins. He’s also making defensive contributions, adding 1.8 steals and 1.3 blocks so far in December.

Knicks fans are surely envisioning his skills meshing well with a certain MVP-caliber 3-man. I’ll put it another way: If Gallo was a Cav, Cleveland would be the best team in basketball.”

AWESOME, Maybe LeBron has read this

Wow thats some pretty high praise there. Its true that Gallo would be a great match with Lebron, and the cavs definitely need another knockdown shooter IMO. I have also seen the difference in the offense, which involves a lot more movement and Hughes and Harrington have both been big parts of that with their newfound ability to actually pass the ball. Also, I have finally begun to see all the mismatches being created by the offense, and the team is finally starting to isolate the mismatches and its workign really well. Overall, Dantoni has them running a great offense right now and the defense also seems to have improved. The question will be if they can maintain this after a long layoff and also deal with the addition of Curry to the rotation, which honestly I am not too thrilled about.

The Cavs do have knock down shooters , they are second in 3pt pct but Gallo would make them that much better . And bayless can develop into a real good pg . He does have the tools , he has a great handle , speed size and creativity and he can pass if he is in a situation where he gets consistent mins . He is like Monte Ellis execpt he will eventually be a better 3pt shooter as he gets more playing time. knicks should look into that situation with portland.

td,
i think you’re wrong.
maybe you can get some addl stats.
the perimeter j’s are higher % because the knicks are getting more easy baskets and going to the hole.
that gets better spacing for the perimeter shots.
in fact, i think, mike d almost blew the portland game by putting in all 5 perimeter players in the 4th qtr. NO PAINT ACTIVITY.
more drives = more higher % shots = more free throws = more room for perimeter players

As much as we need a fast PG who can run the break and drive to the hole, i still don’t think that is as important as having a game manager; a pass first guy who is looking to orchestrate over anything else… That is why Duhon gets the nod and nate gets the bench, nate can push teh ball much better than duhon but we all know our team would not be nearly as effective with nate at the point.

As crappy as duhon’s shooting has been, and as physically outmatched as he is, he has proven in this streetch that he is a game manager, something that nate and toney are not.

Back to the jennings point from the earlier post: Sayin he is like marbury is not an insult. Marbury was an incredible player. I am comparing jennings to marbury the ball player, not marbury the person. I’m just saying he is that style of PG. You can’t say he is scroing a lot becaeuse he has to, because there are other players on his team who score much more efficiently than him. 20 points a game isn’t good when it takes 20 shots. Jennings is an incredible talent, but again, it would be like asking iverson to run the point for d’antoni, when we would probably rather have someone with much less talent but a quarter back mentality.

and evans is not even a PG, he is a 2 and can even guard 3′s in this league. If we got him, i guarentee he would end up not being the starting PG.

I still take , Flynn, Rubio, even maynor and lawson over jennings because they are true point guards who are looking to set up the offense when they have the ball. Jennings might be the second coming of AI, but if that’s true, then he doesn’t fit here.

Has: Does that thorpe excerpt fulfill the ‘buzz around the league requirement?”

Gallo is a great player. Who would have though he would be the kind of player to beb racking of steals and blocks. You can tell he wil be doing that on a consistent basis for the rest of his career. Yea, he’s the best 3 pt shooter in the league, but he also gets over a block and a steal per game, which is a whole other awesome dynamic to have in a player.

yes, if the cavs actually had one stretch forward who was 6-10 and an incredible 3 pt shooter, they would be cruising… Imagine if we had lebron collapsing defenses and a PG who could actually penetrate. Galo is going to be an allstar in this league; that’s my prediction at least. His percentages and FG attempted will continue to rise over the near future.

Is it just me or is John Wall not that impressive, he has great great speed but I just don’t see it or why everyone is going nuts over him. I don’t see the court vision I and I think he had a good shooting night I don’t think hes a good shooter.

I agree. That is what the cuts and backdoors that have appeared in the offensive plan lately have helped accomplish. When players get some easy baskets, it often makes them more effective shooters because the pressure is off to make every trey. Shooters under that pressure often tighten up, aim, or whatever you want to call it.

It is not so much that they are all “perimeter” players, but that they have been, until lately, been required to be perimeter players only. Allowing the players to actually move throught the paint, etc. has led to exactly what you have commented upon. When they lapse back into the “statue offense” is when they get into trouble. No easy buckets, nobody moving to get to the boards for put-backs or offensive rebounds to re-set the clock, and nobody able to break their inertia quickly enough to react.

Joe, Thanks. I certainly hope that Curry can be part of the motion offense. He might be better off moving rather than posting up and being battered game after game given that he needs to remain injury-free to help the team and to help himself. He can be extraordinarily quick for a man of his size.

I feel, that Lee, having proven that he is willing to work on his game, i.e. his short jumper, would be well-served to continue working on extending his range. If Lee can develop a reasonable three-point shot, he will help the team and he will make himself the desired commodity that he wanted to be last summer.

I haven’t bothered to watch him much as the Knicks have no first round pick at this point. I’m more concerned with who they might trade for, sign as a free agent, or develop as Toney Douglas seems to have a lot of promise. My fault for feeling this way.

I agree with Dee, Nate isn’t to blame for the losing.

Which means if he isn’t traded, he should start to see some minutes.

If you don’t think Wall is all that, you just haven’t seen enough of him. How often is a PG considered the hands down number one prospect before the season even starts? And how often does that player actually fulfill everybody’s expectations? he is doing that and more. 18 pts. 8 assists, 2.6 steals? 8 assists in college is unbelievable. And he’s shooting 54%, which is unreal for a PG. He is the best PG prospect i have ever seen in college, hands down. He really is a true PG, not like Tyreke Evans, but he also happens to have the athleticism to dunk over people and completely dominate from a physical standpoint as well. I honestly don’t think we have seen a player like this in the NBA, he is a new break of PG. Combine Chris pauls absurd quickness and athleticism with deron williams size and strength, he has them both. (Im speaking from a physical standpoint, not a skill standpoint.)

Fortunately, it doesn’t look like we would be getting the #1 pick anyway, if things keep going the way they are.

@ Joeyballz – You conveniently left out who David Thorpe ranked # 1: Brook Lopez.

Wanna read something depressing Joeyballz? Out of the 7 players ranked ahead of Gallo, the Knicks passed on 6th of them in the draft, Westbrook being the only one we didn’t pass on because he wasn’t on the board when the Knicks picked that year.

1. Brook Lopez, Nets | Previous rank: 6
Lopez is delivering for the Nets even though opposing teams know he is the team’s best offensive player right now. In the two wins the Nets notched this past week, he averaged 28 points and 12 rebounds. The best part is we can expect his production to only increase over the next few months as his new coach and teammates learn to better utilize him. With a few more wins, Lopez’s first All-Star appearance would not be out of the question.

2. Marc Gasol, Grizzlies | Previous rank: 1
Gasol continues to be a revelation for a suddenly hot Grizzlies team. Ironically, he scored only 25 points on 8-of-21 shooting during Memphis’ impressive three-game winning streak — this from the league’s best finisher at 60 percent for the season. But this is a tribute to his overall talent; he is one of the best scoring/passing combo centers in basketball and does not need to be the main focus on offense to impact a game.

3. Jason Thompson, Kings | Previous rank: 4
Thompson is going through the growing pains of becoming a legit big man in this league. He’ll take two steps forward (22 and 14 in the Kings’ win over the Hornets), then one step back (2-for-9 shooting against a Miami team without Jermaine O’Neal). He also still spends too much time on the bench due to foul trouble. If he can figure this part of the game out, he’ll see a jump in his production. Still, he is clearly making progress overall and has become a scoring threat from both inside and out.

4. Ersan Ilyasova, Bucks | Previous rank: 15
Brandon Jennings isn’t the only reason for Milwaukee’s unexpected start; Ilyasova has played well, too. He can finish shots inside, he can make perimeter shots and he’s a solid rebounder. More than that, he knows how to play: He doesn’t rush things or put himself in bad spots on the floor. You can tell he learned the game playing in Europe’s top league.

5. Russell Westbrook, Thunder | Previous rank: 2
Westbrook’s shooting woes and poor shot selection continue to hurt him. More than two-thirds of his shots come from the perimeter, where he’s shooting less than 40 percent (and just 31 percent from 3). But his energy and athleticism are still having a positive impact. More importantly, he is managing the game better and quarterbacking his team into playoff contention.

6. Anthony Randolph, Warriors | Previous rank: 8
Randolph finally put all his prodigious talent together to produce a whopper of a game: 28 points, 13 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 block, 1 steal and no turnovers against the Magic. For someone who just turned 20 this past summer, that’s special. Now if he can only focus on taking shots in or near the paint and avoid hoisting perimeter jumpers, he’d move into the top four of this list.

7. Ryan Anderson, Magic | Previous rank: 7
With Rashard Lewis back in the lineup, Anderson’s playing time has plummeted. And now so have his shooting percentages: He has made only three of his past 17 3s, and 21 of his past 58 shots overall. It typically takes years of experience to become a solid outside shooter with limited minutes and touches, but that’s the task he’s faced with.

How Wall is playing in college is how he played in High School. He’s simply a monster of an athlete.

I agree with Jeff Cyklert. John Wall might be the most incredible PG prospect I’ve ever seen in my 20 years of watching college ball.

I also agree with the great Dee about the offense. He seems to shy away from talking how Curry can impact the offense with his paint’s dominance.

Lee played very well when Curry was dominating the paint, you should expect the arc shooters to also apriciate a dominant force down low, if Curry bringds it.

This isn’t to say that Curry shouldn’t be traded, I simply speak of what Curry can bring.

Has anyone heard what Chris Broussard is saying about Al Buckets suggesting Lou Holts book?? Is quite funny and if you ask me coincidental. Summary. After the 0-3 road trip Al suggested to read coach Holts book and since then they’ve gone on a streak. I am surprise that nobody has mentioned it here. It’s on ESPN video.

Heri & the Helmet’s
thier favorite song

Sing it boyz:

“In the navy, we are very gay and spry”
“In the navy, we will suck each other dry.”
In the navy, In the navy

LoL

Technically, only Lopez, Thompson & Randolph were drafted after Gallo.

Illyasova was drafted in 2005 (2d round) & Gasol was a 2007 1st rounder

I rather Gallo than Thompson and Lopez, because of 7SOL. Randolph might be a beast in the future.

My original statement was “no one cares about Gallinari” and I was more speaking of fans around the league, I believe someone else used the word buzz and then I said he doesn’t have the same buzz as some of his peers, but as someone else mentioned that may be more because the team is losing, which is understandable.

Hopefully Gallinari can make this list before year’s end, this is the type of recognition I am talking about (aside from the fans as I mentioned above and in a previous thread) when it comes to people around the league “caring” about Gallinari.

Hey guys if we do pull of a trade in to the first rd of the draft it will be for a mid to low first rd pick, so what guys would you like the knicks to target in that draft range? I like Tony Crocker from Oklahoma, he reminds me of Barbosa just bigger and stronger he is 6’6. In the mid to low range of the draft I think he could be a great pick. I also think Jerome Dyson went toe 2 toe with Wall and looked just as good.

I like’d Dyson until i realized he was 6’3″ i will pass on him even though hes a good player if we get a first round pick he HAVE to take Paul George out of Fresno State hes 6’7″ GREAT 3PT shooter doesn’t force it and is a excellent passer, high bball I.Q. We need a 2G he fits he has great size and contribute right away with is passing and shooting.

He seems like a great paint force I want to see more of the jumper but wow he can sure dunk!! lol
He is fast and seems to have a good handle I will keep my eye on him, do you think he will be on the board from like say 15 on down?

The_Guy are you a fan of the Knicks or a fan of your own opinion? I mean seriously.

The fact is, most of these experts don’t even watch the games, and ESPN analysts are known to be ANTI-KNICK (well except Stephen A. Smith lol). I mean they ranked Ryan Anderson and Anthony Randolph ahead of Gallinari. What a joke. The rankings should be (IMO) :

1. Lopez
2. Westbrook
3. Gasol
4. Thompson
5. Rose
6. Gallinari

Yes Lopez is a better basketball player than Gallinari right now. Yes he is. But in Mike D’Antoni’s system I think Gallinari’s a better fit, and he does have a higher ceiling because he’s a unique player. I like Lopez but the hate is really annoying.

We have to consider that Gallo has only played abut 47 games in his NBA career, right now he’s just starting to develop his NBA rep.

As of today, Gallo is known for two things around the league, his 3pt shooting and his bad back

The Knicks are balling right now, D’Antoni must have had a conversation with Clyde.

The ball movement looks good and the players are finally trying to get buckets in the paint. David Lee and Larry Hughes are playing particularly well these days, and Al Harrington is doing a respectable job against opposing power forwards. The “freezing-out” is finally over, Gallinari’s movement off-the-ball has improved but he should be more aggressive (free throws) and develop a more “diverse” shot selection.

Ball-movement, off-the-ball movement and DEFENSE have gotten better. The result? 4-1 record.

All those players played full rookie season and imrpoved drastically throughout the year, making a name for themselves as they went along. Gallinari is still in his rookie year for all intensive purposes. Not to meantion, he isn’t even supposed to be NBA ready… people thought it would take him a few years to have an impact. next year, barring injury, he will be significantly improved from where he is now, and then he will truly be a sophmore… Then we can compare him to those other players listed.

All that stuff is true, but i think the defense is the biggest factor, by far. They are playing great team defense. “the best offense is a great defense,” rings true. I think the ball movement and spacing and over-all integration of the players is a direct result of the good defense, both mentally and physically. When you are getting more stops then the other team, you are controlling the pace and your offense is always a step ahead of their defense. When you allow wide open layups every 30 seconds and nobody communicates, their defense will be a step ahead of our offense as duhon brings the ball up the court

He did make the list…The Guy cut the list off right before Gallo.

Agreed

In an interview Chris Broussard said that Al H. made the team read Winning Every Day: The Game Plan for Success By Lou Holtz.-
apparently they started to win more consistently after reading the book- funny ,I wonder if the people who didn’t read the book are the ones getting pine?hint,hint…
BTW- i was watching the game and noticed TD behind the bench.. LOL -wave to the camera next time!

fingers X for Friday…

Lee still has to go
Duhon is backup
Rubioand Carmelo in 2011
JJ & Curry will be here until thier contracts expire- unless DW pulls a rabbitt out of his hat…

Thall,
stop trolling this blog.
Heri is a good guy and knowledgeable in b.ball. You’re out of your league.
He offers insightful comments while you don’t so shut and go away.

Its early in the season but right now hes projected 20th in the first round on draft.ne his value will take a hit because hes not a one of the big time college programs so that might be a good thing.

All intents and purposes > all intensive purposes

No shots.

Heri = GreatScott = Thall

C’mon man, we love you. Take your meds.

So anybody else like any other college players that may be coming out in this draft that would fall in the mid to bottom end of the first round of the draft?

Unless it is a PG who can contribute and falls to us may not makes sense to use up the cap space on a player in the mid first to late first round. I will lose my mind if we waste another draft pick on a SF/PFso unless it is a PG or a real legit 2, we should just concentrate on free agency.

Yup.

what a fkkng azzhol

Thanks Q.

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