ESPN Talks Knicks/Heat

Just looking at their December numbers, its tough for me to really agree that Beasley is a more versatile player. Yeah he scores and rebounds more, but does nothing else better, plus he is more of a 4 than Gallo at this point. Defensively, I am not sure where the knock on Gallo is coming from as compared to Beasley, who is a truly awful defender who doesnt block or get steals. Plus, he has hit one 3 the whole month of december. Gallo has been mired in a pretty bad shooting slump for the whole month, but other than that is averaging obviously more 3s, blocks, steals, and the same amount of assists. I don’t really like Beasley much, plus the guy has been playing with Wade.

Unfortunately, do have to agree that Beasley is more talented than Gallo, but Abbott’s the only one that actually seems to have seen Gallo play recently, everyone seems to only think of the Gallo of last year.

ESPN analysts hate the Knicks. Nothing new here.

Is Michael Beasley a better player than Gallinari right now? I think so. Man he was the 2nd pick in the 2008 draft. He’s a more verstatile scorer that’s for sure. But is he a more versatile player right now? I can’t even give you a clear answer because Gallinari’s a better passer and a better shot-blocker – Beasley’s a better rebounder and he’s definitely a better scorer but that’s about it.

“but Beasley is the only one of the two with All-NBA potential” ROTFL what a random and unfounded statement, Danilo Gallinari was the best Euro propsect since Dirk Nowitzki that is a FACT.

These guys should be working at McDonald’s and give me their job. Seriously.

I agree Mucha, not that I would have a problem with them trashing Gallo as long as it seemed to be based on actually watching him play. I mean seriously, Sheridan just called him a one trick pony that gets attacked every night on defense, which really indicates he has not been watching him at all this year. Abbot does seem to be the only one watching him lately, although even the most cursory glance at his stats for this past month would show he is averaging over a block and a steal per game. Just wierd.

Gallo is good Beasley is good time will tell who’s the better player right now its Beasley due to his physicality.

off topic how good is Jerryd Bayless – 31pts 7ast in his first career start – Portland needs front court help does anyone think Hill would be enough to get Bayless from Portland?

Cmon guys Gallo played what 28 games last year?? Plus the 28 so far thus year. He’s only played over a half a season so the fact your comparing says a lot. Gallo is blocking shots. Rebounding. Dishing out assits and let’s not forget that he leads the league in three’s made. Sure Beasley is more physically gifted but he not a better player than Gallo. He can’t do what Gallo does. I suggest that they watch Gallo play first before writing

Bayless is good but how about substituting Hill with Harrington and jefferies

I’d deal Lee for Bayless and filler a few days before the trade deadline.

We can’t resign D. Lee anyways. It is what it is.

D lee is playing at a high level. Knicks can do better than Lee for Bayless

Beasley has the slight advantage, but only because he’s more athletic. Beasley is the more versatile scorer and better on the glass, but Gallo is a better defender and higher bball IQ. I’d like to see more motor out of Beasley.

It’s hard to make a judgment because they’re 2 completely different styles of play in 2 different systems. I think juxtapositions this early in a career are misleading. Put Beasley under D’antoni and Gallo next to D-Wade and you have a completely different picture. I’d like another 2 seasons to evaluate.

Regardless, I’d have to deduct points from Beasley for having possibly the worst tattoo in NBA history. Super Cool Beas? Really?

Sheridan: Beasley. I’ll take the multidimensional player over the one-trick specialist every time, and it’s a bonus that Beasley can shoot 3s, too. Plus, Gallinari gets attacked every night on defense

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This proves that Sheridan has never watched Danillo play. Shooting might be Gallo’s bread and butter, but he’s not a one-trick pony.

Like who?

We can’t take significant contracts if they run past 2010, and it would be foolish to trade Lee for another expiring contract.

The only players the Knicks should be interested in are players who are still in their rookie contracts. The Blazers love D. Lee, the Blazers need D. Lee and the feeling is mutual. I think it’s a perfect fit.

I agree if the numbers work. Id trade anything on the team outside of Gallo/Chandler for Bayless.

That is 3 articles that trash the knicks. What is up? They start playing good basketball and now everyone is hating!!!

I this article they also hate on the Knicks/Heat 90′s rivalry. Saying it destroyed basketball for the next 10 years.

WHAT!!!!!

That style of basketball is why I became a Knicks fan and why it is my “national pastime”. These guys are killing me.

Oakley, The X-man, Ewing and LJ are currently driving to Bristol to jump these guys.

Hate is good that means were getting somewhere.

Guys im telling you Lee JJ N8 Harrington will turn in to one if not more mid to low first rd picks byt he deadline! I believe Hill and Nate for Bayless may get it done at this point they are in dyer straits in Portland frontcort is a mess I think we can even give em JJ and take the Miles money back. I just dont think donnie has even explored this to be honest which is very disappointing.

lol.you guys can’t be serious.the guy has one 30 point game and you’re ready to deal him for our most consistent player?I’m by no means an avi lee defender but that’s ludicrous.

The Knicks will not have enough money to resign D. Lee next summer. Do you want to lose him for nothing?

D. Lee is better than Bayless obviously, but Bayless has All-Star potential and he’s proving it.

lol if a guy doesn’t like Ewing, Mason and Oakley… he’s a p*ssy in real life. PERIOD.

More PT for J Hill as well.

The knock on Bayless was always that hes not a PG, 31 and 7 in his first start is impressive, he would be great under Mike D he can shoot finish at the rim and draw fouls.

JB’s impact if hes a Knick can be just as big as Lees. We need a dynamic PG hes that, and as long as he plays on a team with B Roy he will never be as good as he can be.

LOL. That is sad.

Here’s the comparison. I say GALLO by a nose when you look at the scoring efficiency comparison (TS% and eFG%)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=gallida01&y1=2010&p2=beaslmi01&y2=2010

Good stuff Stallion. Those numbers do favor Gallo a little, considering his and Beasleys per 36 stats are very similar and Gallo’s true shooting is much better. Also his Offensive and Defensive rating along with a lower usage rating indicate at least more efficiency, if not actual talent and ability. Very interesting, Beasley has been pretty unimpressive so far this year.

The closest enforcer we have on our current Knicks team to x-man and Oakley are the Knickbocker dancers!

If we are not hitting the 3 regularly, it exclusively watching drive-thru time in the paint by the opponent.

I, x-man, still remember the days of watching Scottie Pippen pee in his shorts, crying like a little baby while MJ scream at him for letting me punk him all game. Aaaaaaaah, those were the days!

Now we have a team that plays the Mr. Softee music during chants of “DEFENSE”! D’Antoni basketball, IT’S FATANTIC!

However at 6-10, with great range, we need to give Gallo more time to develop. Same for our youth.

Oops, that should be FANATIC! I’ll blame N8 for that mistake and keep him on the bench! lol

You know now that i’ve had time to think about it, i too would trade DLee for Bayless. I think that HIll will eventually be able to do what D Lee does. But the Knicks would have to get something else back in the deal besides Bayless. But would Portland do it???

We would have to get something back, It doesn’t work out cap wise.

Fire up the next round of Portland trade rumors – they are now down 2 centers for the season. Is this the opening to trade Jefferies – or to obtain Rudy Fernandez or Bayless??

More people talking about players they don’t watch. If they watched Gallo, they’d see that he’s not a one trick specialist. No question Beasley is the more talented player, but if we’re talking “potential,” Gallo has shown the “potential” to be the second coming of Dirk Nowitzki, and that’s “all-NBA.”

Gallinari’s back problems are obsolete, and those problems are just as important as the ones regarding Beasley’s visit to rehab this summer.

And Beasley rebounds? He averages 2 more and plays way more in the post. Gallo has a higher iq, he’s a better passer, and his defense is extremely underrated at this point. He’ll be a consistent bet for 1-2 blocks a night down the line.

ESPN needs to do their homework, like usual.

Really Gallo is better than Tony Parker and Manu Ginobli? Maybe the hype around him was more but if that is the case is he better than Rubio who had more hype than anybody I remember in a long time since King James.

At the beginning of the year Sheridan was dead right. The past seven or eight games Gallo has proven Sheridan dead wrong.

Beasley is playing well this year IMO in all of the Heat games I have watched, what are you guys talking about? Chalmers has regressed and J O’Neal looks slow and useless. Q-Rich has been a nice spark for them but everyone besides Beasley and Wade have not played up to a significant level.

Maybe I’m just crazy, and I’m def not a stats guy, but I have been very impressed with Beasley’s play and composure all year.

Yes

Beasley is a better rebounder and all-around player than Gallo right now. I honestly can’t think of anything Gallo does better than Beasley other than 3pt shooting and passing.

Oh and I’m not hating on Gallo. I really like the kid’s game, but I do think it is unfair to compare him to Beasley right now.

Myles just out of curiosity why do you compare Gallo to Dirk? Dirk is a mid range jump shooting specialist, very good back to the basket player and a very good rebounder. In fairness Dirk, doesn’t have the handle or passing ability that Gallo has. Why do people keep saying Gallo is going to be the next Dirk. Isn’t Gallo more like a Peja, or Detlef Schrempf.

Trading lee for bayless would be a huge mistake. We finally have a good player who is worthy of an allstar game… A hard worker who gets better everyyear; he has improved so much since last year… And he’s a great personality and teamate…

and we want to trade him for another rookie contract who could go either way.

We need to keep the players we develop, that’s how you rebuild. Not by getting rid of anyone who is worth anything so that you have enough room to sign 2 big guys.

Yea Lee galo and hill can all go in dumping curry, and then we’ll sign lebron and bosh and be set… except for we will SUCK and have no future beyond what is already there… That’s how ESPN thinks we want this to play out.

Lee will be gone at the end of the season Lee for Bayless at the deadline is the way to go.

If the Knicks keep and resign Lee and then somehow still have enough cap money to sign Lebron we will have renounce Hughes, Duhon, Harrington, and pretty much every FA on the team. We will have a team of forwards in Chandler, Hill, Lee, Lebron, Gallo, and one combo guard in Douglas.

Who do you plan on being the Knicks PG in 2010-2011, or who do you plan on telling the potential FAs in the summer of 2010 the Knicks PG will be.

C’mon man be realistic.

@ Knicks4life – Is hype a rational criterion?

Euroleague stats :

Andrea Bargnani (20 years old) : 21 minutes, 10.9 points, 50.8 FG%, 4.1 rebounds, 0.5 assists, 1.3 steals, 0.9 blocks, 1.6 turnovers per game.

Ricky Rubio (19 years old) : 19 minutes, 5.5 points, 0.33 FG%, 3.3 rebounds, 4.9 assists, 1.1 steals, 1.9 turnovers per game.

Danilo Gallinari (19 years old) : 31 minutes, 14.9 points, 0.42 FG%, 4.2 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 1.5 steals, 0.4 blocks, 1.4 turnovers per game.

Gallo’s numbers were exceptional. Andrea Bargnani was the first pick in the draft and the only categories in which he averaged better numbers were blocks and FG%, and Danilo Gallinari was younger.

I monitored Gallinari’s game before the draft – considering the fact that the Knicks were heading to the lottery – and he was way more impressive than Ricky Rubio in my opinion. I think Rubio was overhyped because he played against Paul and Williams in the Olympics – and people subconsciously believed that he was a key player because they love fairy tales – but he was just a role player. An impressive young point guard but a role player. Gallinari was also (unfairly) overshadowed by the “freshman” hype (Michael Beasley, Derrick Rose, OJ Mayo, Eric Gordon, Jerryd Bayless and Kevin Love).

By the way, Manu Ginobili comes from Argentina and Tony Parker took the league by storm – he was the 28th pick in the draft.

I definitely believe that Gallinari was the best Euro prospect since Dirk Nowitzki.

There’s just one problem Jeff… the Knicks can’t resign David Lee and offer LeBron James a max contract if they can’t get rid of Jeffries or Curry.

He’s definitely a good player, he’s a stud in my opinion.

Thats gonna mess with our Playoff Chances at the deadline and everything I just think if we are going to trade D Lee Sooner is better than Later.

Great point Knicks4Life!!!!!…. Gallo isn’t what Dirk is. Your completely right in saying that he’s more like Peja and Schrempf. He’s a combination of both

Mucha,,,, I think that there is a way to keep David Lee and still sign top free agents. Isn’t that what the Larry Bird rights allows a team to do??

So the issue is we have no one to call our starting PG for 2010 and beyond… and you are willing to give up our best player to get the unproven Bayless, and give him that title? That is realisitc?

You are saying that D’Antoni wants Jerryd bayless to be his PG of the future? Just because we need a PG, doesn’t mean you trade away your best player for a random unproven player, who might not even really be a PG. We know d’antoni doesn’t like combo guards running the point.

As far as I’m concerned, Duhon is a better PG for this team than bayless right now… But you’re saying we should trade our best player for bayless.. it just doesn’t work like that.

Mucha: to keep lee and sign a max FA, you are right, we will have to trade Jeffries… I believe that will happen without a doubt. His value has doubled since the season started. I’m sure teams are already inquiring about him, but we just aren’t ready to trade him yet. I really don’t think that will be a problem.

My man Mucha!!!! Merry X-Mas man.

I didn’t make a mistake. Ginobli is from Argentina but I assumed he meant Euroleague players which he def was before coming to the NBA. I’m pretty sure he even played in Italy. Tony Parker is a better player than Gallo and so is Ginobli. I didn’t use Bargnani because I don’t believe he is better than Gallo (although he is starting to come into his own).

I would never use hype as the critera to judge a player but that is the only rationale I could think he was using for making such a statement like Gallo is a better prospect than Parker or Ginobli. If he meant Gallo was the most hyped player since Dirk than nah that was Rubio.

i would defiantly be more inclined to wait for 2011 for melo, he is from BK and his relationship with MD is very open and strong! we could wait it out not have to put so much pressure on 2010, get a point guard, EC would be off the books i believe and jeffries would be an expiring!

There goes the difference. You believe Jeffries will be traded and Duhon is better than Bayless. I’m assuming you also believe we can sign Lee for between 8-12 mil per year because anything more than that and its Lee and Lebron and not much else.

“My man Mucha!!!! Merry X-Mas man”

Merry Christmas mayne!

“I didn’t make a mistake. Ginobli is from Argentina but I assumed he meant Euroleague players which he def was before coming to the NBA”

Alright no problem.

“Tony Parker is a better player than Gallo and so is Ginobli”

You’re right, they are better than Gallinari but “prospect” was the word that I used you know what I mean? The 19 year old Gallinari was way better in terms of achievement (and statistically) than the 19 year old Tony Parker… that’s why he was a better prospect in my opinion! And this has nothing to do with hype man.

Love the comment that says they have a “a great upcoming point guard in harris and a dominant big man in broke(sic) lopez” add Lebron and they win 6-7 championships.

Potentially a little bit over the top?

Beasley may be the more athletic of the 2,but Gallo knows the game of basketball better.

PG is Lebron

Is Mo Williams a pure PG? No, but you don’t need one with LeBron James. And if LeBron James doesn’t sign with the Knicks, Jerryd Bayless would be a great combo/two guard in this system regardless.

“We know d’antoni doesn’t like combo guards running the point”

What? Mike D’Antoni loved Russell Westbrook, he LOVED him. The fact that Steve Nash was (obviously) his favorite point guard doesn’t mean doesn’t mean that talented scoring point guards can’t be tailor-made for this system.

Listen, David Lee’s the best Knick that I’ve seen since Latrell Sprewell (maybe Marbury but he was a cancer). I just don’t want to lose him for nothing, and I tell you, Jerryd Bayless is a stud! I think he is the 2nd coming of Monta Ellis with a better jumpshot (potentially).

“His (Jeffries) value has doubled since the season started”

2008-2009 : 1 peanut
2009-2010 : 2 peanuts

Arent his Bird rights at like 11 or 12 million on the cap?

Retaining his rights would hurt the salary cap – correct me if I’m wrong.

there is no way that after seeing Bayless play,that theyre gonna give him up for David Lee

yeah what is this shit about defensive basketball being boring?I think it makes the game more exciting,every point scored matters when defense s first.plus its fun to watch a team clamp up on another team,and they cant get a shot off within 24 seconds.you stand up and scream YEAH! (FIST PUMPING IN THE AIR) That was a great era in basketball.Michael Jordan had to take quite a beating to score all those points.Do you think Kobe would have survived?I tell you one thing,Lebron James wouldnt be dancing at the foul line,if he were playing the KNICKS.Oakley,Starks,and Mason woulda put a hurt on his cry-baby ass in a hurry.He wouldnt be able to snap fake pics of his team after that.

OBSOLETE?Would you mind explaining that?The horse and buggy are OBSOLETE because we now have cars.The ice man is OBSOLETE because we have electric refrigerators.How is a back problem OBSOLETE?

Kobe Bryant plays with broken fingers, I think he would have been tough enough to play agains the Knicks in the 90′s. He’s tough. Tougher than LeBron that’s for sure.

Lol. Ask Lebron if he wants to play PG for 82 games.

If the Nets add John Wall and trade Harris for Boozer they could be legit.

I agree with you though that comment was over top. They are the Nets. Who has every willing signed with the Nets?

obsolete according to dictionary.com – longer in general use; fallen into disuse

I didn’t say his back problem was obsolete, I said questions regarding it were.

Also, I’m not saying Gallo is Dirk, I’m saying if we’re going off of “potential,” an extremely ambiguous term, then Gallo has shown Dirk POTENTIAL, which is “all-nba” and most certainly all-star. One of the panelists said that Beasley is the only of the two with all star potential. I don’t see it that way. I’d agree that Gallo is more like Peja.

Bottom line is they are the same caliber player at this stage and Beasley has had a full year under his belt and was picked 4 spots higher with a much larger amount of expectations. People saying that Beasley could end up a hall of famer? And I’m jumping the gun because I think Gallo has all-star potential?

Gallo isn’t a “one-trick specialist.” Looking at stats doesn’t tell the whole story, that’s ESPNS problems. That’s all John Hollinger does, I’m not even sure the guy watches basketball. Look, you can watch Gallo and see he’s an awesome help defender and he gets tons of blocks from the weak side. He’s a smart defender, and sure he gets beat a lot one on one because he’s less athletic and slower than most of his opponents, but he recovers especially well. SO the guy who said he gets beat every night on defense is uninformed. He’s 21 so he’ll develop more of a midrange game as he gets older.

Dirk’s post up game came as he got stronger, which Gallo will. Dirk still isn’t a traditional post up player, he shoots fadeaway jumpers out of the post. Gallo can acquire that.

If Harris and lopez are so good then the Nets would have more than 2 wins. I’m tired of hearing about the nets having talent. They are awful

Have to say that I agree. Knicks should sign two good free agents, keep some cap space. Make some trades for younger players and leave Lebron in Cleveland.

Why does sheridan imply that beasley can shoot 3′s and no one calls him out on it? Weak performance by the panel there.

Manu Ginobli is not from Europe

If the blazers love lee so much why did they offer milsap $8 million per year before lee and then not even make an offer to Lee after Utah matched?

Sheridan hasn’t seen Gallo but he writes an article,we should writein for a retraction based on incompetence.We have to keep Lee now and Gallo is more of a sure thing in my mind based on his character alone.Their is no denying he has an unusual desire to get better ,both Lee and Gallo have shown improvement daily and I would add Chandler there soon as our core.If you gave me a choice today I take Gallo over Beasley.Gallo does have a very good instincts on the court which overcome his lack of speed he reminds me of Bird there both slow but would get steals and blocks,Gallo with his great outside shot could be very special,his stroke is beautiful hitting the bottom of the net ,Ive never seen a shooter hit less nets on his shots.

Why would the Jazz want Harris?

Lupica has a really good read on why he thinks Lebron is coming to NY.

You should check it out.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2009/12/25/2009-12-25_knicks_tree_fit_for_king.html?r=sports%2Fbasketball%2Fknicks&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fsports%2Fbasketball%2Fknicks+%28Sports%2FBasketball%2FKnicks%29

Yes I know but he played in the Euroleague for years before being drafed.

Wow, I guess we all forgot what Beasley did as a FRESHMAN at Kansas State. Come on now…Gallinari needs someone to set up his shot for him to consistently drain the 3, as good as he is shooting it. Beasley doesn’t need anyone else on the court to get his points. Calling Danilo the greatest Euro prospect since Dirk doesn’t mean he has that All-NBA potential until he develops enough moves off the bounce, and we have no clue if that’ll ever happen.

Beasley might be one screwed up person, but we’ve seen the All-NBA potential already playing for an otherwise bad K-State team (Bill Walker and bust). So while I know everyone loves to say “I could do better than that,” they really didn’t screw up the potential point involved.

I’m not why we give you any credit at all…you’re the same dude telling us that Isiah Thomas was a great GM.

And considering that Kevin Pritchard is one of the smartest GMs out there…you’d think he avoid JJ’s contract like the plague…and the fact that you think Donnie hasn’t explored this is humorous, too. The guy probably gets hung up on by all of the 29 teams, b/c they know he’s trying to dump salary on them.

Danilo is really awkward off the dribble.

I love the Knicks as much as the rest of you, and I wouldn’t necessarily want a head case on my team…but Beasley offensively could be a beast someday.

Lebron would’ve beaten the garbage out of the Knicks squad. He is a physical freak of nature, and he could easily bump with the Knicks of the 90s.

Truehoop has a nice little piece on Jared Jeffries, right now (truehoop.com)

Mucha; LOL at the 1 peanuts – 2 peanuts thing… but do you really think he is that worthless?

The truehoop piece is just an example of what people think, but i think watching this team play you have to give credit where credit is due. If our defense has been the biggest factor in our recent stretch, than by extension, Jeffries has been (one of) the biggest factors of our recent stretch.

He really can defend all 5 positions. H’es 6-11 but he can man the top of the zone as if he were a PG. That’s not hype, its true. He is proving the be one of the most versatile defenders in the league, and that is not an exaggeration. I think we can agree that he is finally showing the attributes that he got payed for..

You don’t think it will be easy to get a playoff/contender to bite on that?

I really think teams already are looking into getting him and we are holding out, knowing we can do it when the time comes.

you are right

DLee is reallly turning into one of the better players in this league if we had a legit center and could throw him to the 4 where he really belongs and add Lebron with Gallo Chandler and a young PG we could really make some noise…i just hope DLee resigns for under his actual value because the guy is really good and when he leaves ny if he does i think we’ll realize just how good he was …he is perfect for NY he has proved he can play here and i really would hate to see him leave

Jeffries had less than zero value last year.. now he has some but is horribly over paid for what he brings..

he can not defend five positions.. he can not defend Centers or power forwards.. He does a good jobs on spoecific tasks..

Up here we call them one trick ponies.,

Lee doesnt play the 4 “in the D’Antoni system”.

thats why he has to go.,

Biggie and DaGawd: First, Merry Christmas. Second: D’Antoni had this quote in the Post today which I find really encouraging: “There was nobody who felt worst at 1-9 than me,” D’Antoni said. “I knew we had something there. I just couldn’t figure it out or get it done. Now we’re doing better. I take a lot of responsibility for it.”

I think he has started to figure it out and while I question his rotation, overuse of Duhon, late game management and refusal to give Hill some minutes, he is currently coaching better than any coach we have had here for some time. Despite some of the comments on here that make it seem like we are the Lakers of the East (even he is saying this team can beat “anyone”, really?) this roster is majorly flawed and yet he has them playing respectable basketball. Not saying his style will win a championship, but I for one am willing to give the guy some rope to try.

Biggie, why don’t you think Jeffries can’t guard all 5 positions when he’s done it before?

He guarded Chris Paul then a couple plays after that he was guarding Tyson Chandler.
When we play Cleveland he guards Lebron. Lakers: Kobe and so on…you got to give it up to him man…he can guard all 5 positions.

NOPE! you said (and you can read it right up there)”Gallos back problems are obsolete”

Yeah I have to agree. D’Antoni’s fours are more like Marion, Diaw, Chandler, Harrington or Gallo. Guys who can spread the floor, iso and slash to the basket. There is so much movement and three to four guys parked on the perimeter it would be hard to have two post guys like Lee and say D. Howard out there.

But, as I have said for years about D’Antoni especially after they got the Diesal, a great coach should be able to adapt their system to their personnel. If the Knicks were to get a five like Channing Frye who can space the floor maybe Lee could be a four. But if we bring in Amare, Bosh, or another legit post player I think Lee has to go. Ironically, if we got Dirk and Lebron (my dream for 2010) Lee could play the four, or Gallo.

he is one of the best defenders on a team of horrible defenders..

His complete lack of any other skill makes what he does well at best look much better..

I dont remember him guarding any fives or fours for significant time.. if so it was one or two trips down court.. put him on a big man for more than one series and he will get destroyed..

he is what he is..

Jeffries can’t guard pure 5s like Howard, Shaq, or Big Z or hybrid 4-5s like Amare, Bosh, or Gasol. He is not strong enough in the lower body (or probably upper body) to guard those guys in the post. He is a defensive specialist but the reason he has such little value is his huge contract, ability to make stupid mistakes, and because he is such a liability on offense. There are games where he can’t even make a layup.

Kobe would be the same player now as if he played in the 90′s. Best basketball player on the planet right now. Plays injured, clutch performer, and you never hear about him complaining about anything except not having enough championships. Lebron would be a beast in the early 90′s, but we would hear about the hand checks and hard fouls after every game. Maybe the ref’s from the 90′s would actually call fouls against Bron Bron!

Use him as a combo guard off the bench behind Williams like Dallas does with Jason Terry. They just traded Maynor to OKL so they are really thin at the guard spot.

“Jeffries can’t guard pure 5s like Howard, Shaq, or Big Z”

Who can guard Howard or Shaq?

Z is not a pure 5. Not when he’s hitting those jump shots that he likes to shoot all the time. Z actually plays away from the basket more than he plays with his back to the basket.

Jeffries contract is not huge…Anderson V from Cleveland…now theres a contract that’s huge. Jeffries is way better than Anderson but Anderson has a rediculous contract for what he brings to the court.

I do think Jeffries is overpaid though..just not as much as people make it out to be,

JJ is better than Varajao?

on what planet?

Jeffiries cant play anyone who primarily plays in the low post.. He could not guard a player like Brook Lopez

No way jeffries is better than Varejo. I hate his flopping more than anybody but that can is a legit two way basketball player.

Just because a guy can shoot jumpers doesn’t mean he isn’t a pure 5. Sabonis, Patrick Ewing and the Dream are classic examples of pure fives who can take you away from the basket.

The reason I differentiate Bosh, Amare and those guys as Hybrids is because they are the big men I hate nowadays. The ones that think they are PGs, refuse to play tough defense and/or block shots. They play like wing players and every now and again will grab 15 rebounds and fool you into thinking they can be a center in the right system.

Agreed…

All of a sudden Blackwood knows what Donnie has and hasn’t explored. Seriously, ridiculous. This guy has no credibility when he writes things like this. Just another uneducated opinion.

Jeffries is not better than Verajo, but we are getting too caught up in the details. The point was that he has proven he has value, especially to contending teams who have no need for cap room next year.

My only point (which started this whole convo) was that he can easily be traded; i have no doubt in my mind that he will be traded, unless the unthinkable happens and they decide that we actually need him.

And i’ll be honest, right now we do. Since he started playing heavy minutes we haven’t let a team over 100 points, and we are 7-3 or 8-3. You have to admit he has been instrumental and our recent bout of good play.

Trading him will not be a problem.

And unless we are getting bosh AND LeBron, there is no reason not to keep D Lee. When a player improves exponentially on the same team over the course of 5 years, and is finally averaging almost 20 and 10 with a MUCh improved jumper, a great work ethic, and winning mentality, you keep him.

I would be fine with leBron Lee and Galo, and then another big player once curry gets freed up in 2011. Rebuilding doesn’t just immediately happen on July first. There will still be more to do after we (hopefully) sign our max guy.

The best part about lebron is that he has all the skills to play the 2 for us, so we can still have guys like galo and chandler (or harrington… or durant or melo??? ) playing next to him.

I’ll take Gallos size, his blocks, and his 43%, 42%, and 85% career shooting percentages so far. He can potentally be a 50%, 45% and 90% player at 6’11′.

“lol if a guy doesn’t like Ewing, Mason and Oakley… he’s a p*ssy in real life. PERIOD.”

True…***Big head nod***

Yeah he is, but it’s time for us to admit that Gallo is a stud also.

Gallo also blocks and alters shots better than Beasley, now you have 2 things you can honestly say he does better than Beasley.

I’d like to wish everybody on tkb staff, and every dedicated knick fan on this site a Merry Christmas!

Jeffries isn’t better than Anderson V?

Please explain this to me.

Offensively their both a wash so we look at their defense.
Anderson V plays better defense than Jeffries?

Can Anderson guard the 1 position? Or 2 and 3 position?

Wow

We’ll just have to agree to disagree on that one I guess.

…don’t be immature Bob, I understood what he was trying to get across.

I just don’t want to see a shooting guard in a point guards body running the team next year. If thats the case they should have just given the keys to Nate. If Bayless is a pass first, pick and roll smart PG then I’m all for it.

I just think we might be overestimating Lee’s value in a trade. Not because of talent but because he is also a BYC player and the team getting him isn’t gauranteed anything more than a few months rental.

Have you seen Anderson V play? If so then please explain to me how his offensive game and Jeffries are “a wash”.

But things are going great for Melo in Denver and he seems to genuinely like his teammates and they have great chemistry. He’s probably the least likely FA to switch teams.

They described it as football on the basketball court…sounds good to me. Those were great games. Seriously what’s wrong with this panel? They suck worse than the nets.

Come on Knicks4life, do you really think the coach has figured it out? This is same ol Isiah b.s! Remember small and big ball? If D’Ant had figured it out then maybe he would have gotten out of the West when he had really talented teams ans couldn’t do so.

This coach had the 2-time MVP and many others surrounding him and couldn’t ever get our of the West. Why? Mostly, because the team played very little defense.

Let’s watch the game today and see what it’s like playing a team above .500.

On a team that plays very little defense, Jefferies is a Godsend in comparison. That’s what makes Jeffries’ value seem higher. It’s only relative to the team!

I surely hope we win today but I’ve seen this before. I called out Isiah’s b.s early on and now I see a similar thing in this coach!

We should not move Gallo because at 6-10, this dude can really spread the floor and he should become better on the defensive and rebounding end. Of all top players we talk about getting like Lebron, Bosh and etc. we will need a guy like Gallo to open the floor up for these guys to operate down below.

and you know he won’t be re-signed because?nothing is a given this off season.secondly, we can get more than bayless if lee is going to get dealt.

you don’t need to point to lee for more hill playing time.jeffries is taking minutes from him.

exactly.lol.all of a sudden we missed the boat on bayless right?

maybe you can exp;ain it to me

Jeffries better than Varejao?

Jeffries finds a way to get poked in the eye every game… that’s one area…

But seriously Varejao is a hundred times better than Jeffries, V is a legit defender in the post and a perfect role player. Jeffries is a scrub who does a pretty good job defensively against players he’s not supposed to guard (1-2) and shooting forwards. He’s not strong enough to guard centers. He’s not strong enough to play in the post either, he’s a terrible finisher and on top of that he doesn’t have any skills to play on the perimeter.

Anderson Varejao is overpaid… but he’s better than Jeffries.

Yeah I think he has figured out how to use his players. I listed all of the flaws I see with him including his late game management which cost his teams in PHX but I still think he is one of the top coaches in the league.

I’ve always said that until he starts emphasing defense his teams won’t win anything (Lebron basically said the same thing) but the Knicks are finally playing much better defense. Part of that is using guys like Hughes, Jeffries, and suprisingly Gallo who actually make some effort on the defensive end. So yeah, I think the coach is adapting/learning from his earlier mistakes.

BTW I don’t expect us to beat the Heat today. We have no go to guy so it is very difficult for us to beat good teams down the stretch. To reach 36 wins we will have to pad our record by beating the awful teams, protecting home court as much as humanely possible, and suprsing some mediocre teams. I would like to see the team be competitive for 48 minutes today though and commit to defense, especially in the 4th quarter.

A really good read?He sounds like one of the bloggers here! Just wishin,and hopin,and plannin ,and prayin,…….oh sorry,that was dionne warwicks take on lebron…..lol

I think his trade value is close to 0 because everybody knows that we’re trying to clear enough capspace to offer 2 max contracts next summer. I think that’s the biggest problem. Randolph and Crawford were good enough to attract buyers. Jeffries? I don’t think so.

“Jeffries has been one of the biggest factors of our recent stretch”

I agree and he deserves credit, but we’re talking about a guy who just went from being useless to being useful… It is not that impressive if you think about it, he just started contributing like all NBA players are supposed to. We also desperately want to see him play well, which might subconsciously impact our opinion as well…

He’s playing well, but the fact that nobody wants help the Knicks will hurt our chances.

Nate’s problem is not the fact that he’s a combo guard. At 6’3 Nate Robinson would have been a starter for the Knicks.

Eric Gordon is a 6’3 SG and he’s legit star/starter for the Clippers. The same goes for Monta Ellis. Mo Williams is not a pure PG but he’s starting for a championship contender.

I hear ya but being a good coach to me means getting the most out of your team and installing accountability on both end of the floor.

I would expect for us to beat the Heat today since we are the ones on a winning streak and playing at home. Yet, it remains to be seen and there ae always excuses to be made for this team.

D’Ant like Don Nelson are decent offensive minds but that’s only part of the equation for winning.

This is the moment for us to really play and develop our youth. As you indicated, you don’t expect us to win much so why not do this? NY is always making excuses on why it was impossible to play rookies and using the Fans as a reason.

I think Fans are more than ready to develop and rebuild based on sound principles.

I agree with your pt about finishing games being a weakness of ours but ANY team that penetrates or get int he paint, should exploit our weaknesses in that area.

In the end, we won’t make the playoffs most likely and what will be the strategy for this season? Develop Curry and Jeffries? lol

ridiculous > rediculous

No shots.

He hasn’t figured out how to “use” the players, he’s just stopped using most of them.

5-6 players are getting the lion’s share of the minutes every night.

lmao! Well said!

They reportedly knew that the Knicks were going to match at the price they wanted.