Everyone Available on Wolves Roster; Walsh Still Eying Rubio?

Say we got Rubio this season when can he play for us?

Rubio can’t come over until 2011. How does he solve the Knicks PG woes in the 2010-2011 season?

Unless Kahn gets a stud for him drafting three pgs (he traded Lawson to Denver) may go down as a pretty bone headed draft. But it is a five year plan and they will have another high lottery pick this year. How funny would it be if they drafted John Wall?

Actually Rubio’s contract allows him to leave early with the right situation. If the t-wolves trade him to us he could easily be playing for us next season due to the big market of NY.

If any market can get Rubio over here sooner, it’s NY. But what on Earth does Kahn want for him? Chandler? I understand that and probably deal depending on what else we give up. Gallo? Eh…….. 6’10″ guys like he could be don’t come around often. I waffle on that daily, but I do think I’d give up Chandler.

woah. details please.

can anyone elaborate on what this fine young gentleman just spoke of.

thankya!

i’d like to see Chandler and Jeffries for Rubio and Mark Blount and Rubio..

I’d love to see Kahn spin that trade.. I think he could tell the Minny people he got a great young player and a really good defensive stopper..

The kicker is I dont think Rubio takes up any salary slots until he is signed.. sure about that though.. and it obviously saves 9 mil next year (JJ for 6.9 and Will for 2.1) and moves JJ.

Great suggestion. It is going to take a Wilson Chandler or a Jordan Hill to move JJ. I do not see Rubio playing for the T-Wolves. This trade makes a lot of sense as it would allow Kahn to save face by getting some good talent for Rubio.

Not sure J-Hill is enough as the main piece, Joe, but from Biggie’s keyboard to God’s ears.

The Wolves greatest need is SG/SF so I think Chandler would have to be included in the deal but I do not think that is enough to get RUbio from them, plus I don’t think they would take Jeffries. We really don’t have the pieces to make the deal work unless he says he only wants to come to the Knicks which, god willing, happens but I doubt it

Good trade scenario. Walsh would look like a genius too pull that off but im sure he isn’t even thinking of it .

If Donnie Walsh is able to get Rubio that would put the topping on this year. Development of Gallo, Ill Will and J.Hill plus Rubio??? That would make me want to go buy season tickets again

Chandlers play this year has helped us in our rubio cause.

Beginning of the season I would have said he was not enough, now I think he can be because he is proving himself to be a legit player.

Chandler probably wouldn’t be here… But would Gallo, Rubio, and LeBron be enough?

He wants to play in New York. This, we know.

If walsh got Rubio, Chandler or Hill wouldn’t be on the knicks.

Gallo for Rubio straight up. Minnesota SF with potential on his rookie deal.

Knicks get a young PG to run this system., on his rookie deal. Both sides win. Minnesota already has 2 young PGs, and have a huge hole at the 3, Knicks have a huge hole at the 1.

Now let the “Bbbbbbbbbbbbbbuuuuut you don’t trade Gallo!!” posts begin.

all the wolves really gave up for that pick was Randy Foye and Mike Miller..

I might argue that Chandler/Jeffries is a better combo.. at least its a toss up.. But Will has progressed this year while im not sure you can say the same about Foye. Miller and Jeffries are very different but both flawed role players

If anything Walsh would have the harder time selling it to the fans because it doesnt really help us this year. I think the Minny fans would be ecstatic — to the extent they care.

And Rubio isnt coming to Minny (given the market size and their wealth of point guards) under really any foreseeable circumstances.. not with Rambis’ point guard unfocused triangle offense.

this would be a hard pill to swallow.

Rubio is SOOOO unproven. If he had played in Minn and was doing well, then I would say yes to that.

Chandler or Hill would be MUCH preferred to trade.

Well Rubio is not a good shooter at 38% so if you trade Gallo and to be repaced by Chandler it makes it hardert for a guy like Lebron . You need to have atleast one really good shooter around him. Thats why it makes more since to trade Chandler and he is a better fit for Minny.

You can find another Chandler/Marion type, but can you find a 6’10″ who can shoot the 3 to play the 4 here? Possibly; Pablo Aguilar might be that guy in the 2nd round in ’10. It’s a good debate, but I’d say it’s easier to find another Chandler than to find another Gallo. Gallo does need to bulk up to play that 4 defensively, though.

no.. maybe next year.

thats a great point.. chandler at 6-8 is replaceable..

I’d rather have Gallo at the 3 long term than Chandler at the 2/3 ..

Kahn would probably ask for Gallo as a starting point and should feel lucky to get CHandler.

Good point; with Rubio, James doesn’t have to play the 1. He can be the Chandler/Marion guy and find a shooter for the 2.

Of course, Minny certainly wouldn’t mind having Gallo.

chandler for Rubio really makes a ton of sense. for both teams.

There is no way they take Jeffries, the guy is too overpaid and considering he has that extra year there is ne reason for them to take him. I agree that Rubio doesn’t want to go to Minny but that still doesn’t mean he only wants to come to NY, and even if that is his preference unless he says thats all he wants as in literally he won’t play unless its in NYc the Woives don’t have to deal with us. I think its dreaming to think that not only would they trade us Rubio but also take Jeffries off our hands unless we take money back. They are going to be at least $10 mill under the cap next year, there is no way they blow that on Jeffries even if Chandler is the main part of the deal

Well you gotta give up talent to get talent right? And the Knicks could always play Wilson Chandler at SF. If LeBron were to come here, Gallo would be expendable. Same with Rudy Gay. You can play all those guys with Rubio running the show. All you gotta due is get some shooters on the cheap to surround him with and we’re good.

I think PG in this system is alot more important than SF.

Again, you gotta give up talent to get talent. All these other scenarios being thrown around here are ones where the Knicks end up fleecing the other team. Wilson Chandler is a good player, but extremely inconsistent. Gallo is a player with a good upside. So is Rubio.

Upside is never a guarantee that a player will become great. Both Gallo and Rubio are upside players. Both teams are taking a risk here. This is a deal that benefits both. You gotta look at it from MN’s point of view.

If you’re David Kahn you’re gonna tell your fanbase 1 of 2 things:

Scenario 1 “We traded a young PG who most think has star potential, for Wilson Chandler, a player who many think will turn out to be just average, and may only look good in a run and gun system like New York’s, but since we’re running a halfcourt triangle offense, there’s a chance he may struggle here. He’s not a great shooter, but we’re hoping he could fit in with our other streaky shooters, Ramon Sessions, Corey Brewer, and Jonny Flynn”

Scenario 2 “We traded a young PG who most think has star potential for a young SF who most think has star potential, who’s strength – his outside shooting is exactly what our team is missing. With both players you don’t really know what you’re going to get since they’re so young, but this is a calculated risk for both teams, and we’re excited about how Gallinari’s game fits so well with Jonny Flynn, Corey Brewer, Al Jefferson, and Kevin Love.”

Well you gotta give up talent to get talent right? And the Knicks could always play Wilson Chandler at SF. If LeBron were to come here, Gallo would be expendable. Same with Rudy Gay. You can play all those guys with Rubio running the show. All you gotta due is get some shooters on the cheap to surround him with and we’re good.

I think PG in this system is alot more important than SF.

Again, you gotta give up talent to get talent. All these other scenarios being thrown around here are ones where the Knicks end up fleecing the other team. Wilson Chandler is a good player, but extremely inconsistent. Gallo is a player with a good upside. So is Rubio.

Upside is never a guarantee that a player will become great. Both Gallo and Rubio are upside players. Both teams are taking a risk here. This is a deal that benefits both. You gotta look at it from MN’s point of view.

If you’re David Kahn you’re gonna tell your fanbase 1 of 2 things:

Scenario 1 “We traded a young PG who most think has star potential, for Wilson Chandler, a player who many think will turn out to be just average, and may only look good in a run and gun system like New York’s, but since we’re running a halfcourt triangle offense, there’s a chance he may struggle here. He’s not a great shooter, but we’re hoping he could fit in with our other streaky shooters, Ramon Sessions, Corey Brewer, and Jonny Flynn”

Scenario 2 “We traded a young PG who most think has star potential for a young SF who most think has star potential, who’s strength – his outside shooting is exactly what our team is missing. With both players you don’t really know what you’re going to get since they’re so young, but this is a calculated risk for both teams, and we’re excited about how Gallinari’s game fits so well with Jonny Flynn, Corey Brewer, Al Jefferson, and Kevin Love.”

Well, I know the system doesn’t really put guys into certain positions all the time, but if we’re designating roles on offense, the 3 seems to be more of the slasher; Gallo’s been more of the 2. Of course, different plays are run for these guys, anyway, but in keeping it basic……

If he can get stronger, he can be in the corner (where Jeffries always seems to be open.. smh) at the 4 instead on offense while Rubio runs the PNR with Lee and looks for a cutting LeBron or a Raja Bell type at the top…

Okay, perhaps I’m dreaming too much. We won’t get THAT lucky, right?

I agree with you that the WOlves would need Gallo to be in the deal, but I don’t think Gallo is worth giving up for Rubio considering how important outside shooting is to the offense we run and (god willing) we get Lebron outside shooting is the number one priority to have with him so he can kick it out after penetrating. it is not so easy to replace good shooters as you say, at least not shooters who do anything else besides shoot (Kapono, Korver). That is why I don’t think we could really get Rubio unless Kahn is forced to trade him here. Chandler (even if we think he is, they don’t) isn’t enough and we aren’t taking back contracts until next year so we don’t have much to offer

you are being kind to your trade… just as easily:

Scenario 1 “We traded a young PG who most think has star potential but has not played 1 min of NBA time, for Wilson Chandler, a player who many think will turn out to be just average but has also shown glimpses of being great. While he started out inconsistent this season, he had come off of minor surgery and finished the season playing very well. He’s not a great shooter, but he can knock down a 3 and has great finishing ability. Not to mention he plays solid Defense. Coaches love him and he has shown improvement on a regular basis.

Scenario 2 “We traded a young PG who most think has star potential but has not played 1 min of NBA time, for a young SF who most think is one dimensional. Who’s strength – his outside shooting is all he can do. With both players you don’t really know what you’re going to get since they’re so young, but this is a calculated risk for both teams.

So now Wilson Chander is just average.. that’s not what i heard pre season.. and he has improved his game dramatically by shooting LESS threes..

Minny has some space free next year but who in the world is going to sign there as a free agent? They would be getting a good young player for a draft pick with potential who wont play in Minny..

As for JJ.. I think he can fit better in the triangle offense than the 7SOL..and he is an expiring NEXT year (2011/12) when Minny will have much more cap space . And that is the time frame that Kahn has been selling the fans/management anyway.

As a knicks fan Would you trade Randy Foye and Mike Miller for JJ and Chandler today? talent wise.. not even considering the cap consequences.. I dont make that trade.

Exactly. This is why I roll my eyes when I read these wacky trade scenarios that don’t take into account what the other team needs, and their personnel. Like how Eddy Curry would be a great fit in Houston, even though if you look at their roster, you’d know that there’s no way in hell Darryl Morey would ever trade for him.

Or how now Wilson Chandler or Jared Jeffries are a great fit in the triangle offense, playing in a halfcourt system with guys like Corey Brewer and Ramon Sessions and Jonny Flynn. Guys who like Chandler, are streaky shooters at best.

Or how GMs are gonna ruin their capspace for Jeffries or Curry. Or how Minnesota could use Jordan Hill, even though they have 2 better players at his position. Of all the players on the Knicks’ roster, Gallinari fits them like a glove. We could always get some shooting via free agency if LeBron comes. The shooting doesn’t necessarily have to come from the PG position.

also.. Guy.. the triangle isnt based on outside shooters.. it is based on the triple post with cutters running off the post players..

I think Chandler is good but I don’t think people outside NY really value the guy all the much. Even though D’Antoni has slowed the offense down and it doesn’t inflate stats like it used to people still believe a lot of the numbers for our players are due to the system. I have never heard Chandler’s name mentioned anywhere outside of Knicks sites and fans, and I’m not saying he isn’t good since I like him and would like to keep him in most circumstances but he gets no love elsewhere.

As for Jeffries I agree that he probably would be better off on in the Triangle offense but I don’t think they want to pay him $7 mill to hold him as a chip for next year.

Also yeah talent wise Foye and Miller is worse than Chandler and Jeffries but money wise they aren’t equal due to Jeffries extra year and the fact that n one in the league seems to have any interest in Jeffries

But if Kahn wanted Hill why didn’t he just draft him. Now he would have to take on Jeffries too?

Chandler would be a good pickup for them. He fits in there perfectly.

Trading Will for a PG makes sense on so many levels, especially if LBJ is in fact coming.

I agree with you on the EC front to houston.

but Wil has turned himself into a legit player. He is young and shows great potential. Chandler is streaky from 3 but has shown to be a very very solid player when he stays inside the arc.

People dont suggest teams will ruin their capspace for Jeffries or Curry but not all teams have capspace. Teams that are not going to be in the bidding this summer may want that expiring money to come off in 2011. Remember that as soon as next season starts, EC will become a valuable commodity in the NBA.

I dont pretend to know who will fit better in the triangle offense, that you could be right on. And yes, Gallo is the better player, but I think he is too much to give up for a PG who has never played in the NBA. He has shown himself to be too good for that.

Woah, feel lucky to get Chandler for the #5 pick in the draft. Not so sure about that one. I like Chandler and think he fits in there perfectly, but lets not get it twisted he would be selling .60 on the dollar in that trade.

Chandler a streaky shooter? Please he is dead on from Mid Range, and he is getting a nice post game to the only spot where he is streaky at is Beyond the Arc.

I would not trade Gallo for Rubio. I don’t think Gallo is untoucable by any stretch, but Rubio is all potential.

The only way I would consider it is if I KNEW LBJ was coming next year.

And the triangle is not at all predicated on the three point shot.. At All.

Yes some teams are over the cap and don’t mind taking on extra money for next season but nobody is going to want to pay millions for guys who contribute nothing to their team. Only teams that are going to contend by adding these salaries would take on money for next year. Even though these teams are worth a lot of money nobody wants to pay Curry $11 mill and Jeffries $7 mill to have them as trade chips for next year

Just throwing htis out there but Hoopsworld did a feature article on Jordan Hill

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=15076

I wouldn’t do the trade either, and if I knew we were getting Lebron then I think Gallo is even more important due to his shooting ability. If James came then I would be more willing to give up Chandler because I think he wouldn’t be as useful with Lebron here. Though if giving up Gallo somehow (I don’t know how) meant getting Lebron then obviously that would need to happen

Here’s the thing. I like Gallo, but I t think you guys over value him. He’s a good 3 point shooter, but he’s shooting 42% from the field. He’s slow, had back surgery, and struggles with athletic 3s like, Chris Douglas-Roberts, Luol Deng, Gerald Wallace, Josh Howard, Shawn Marion to name a few.

Kurt Rambis is the Wolves’ coach. He’s a Phil Jackson disciple having come over from the Lakers after spending a few years on his bench as his lead assistant.

He’s trying to install the triangle offense in Minnesota. If you look at the Lakers the last few years, you know that a) They’re not a running team and b) They need shooters to make the system work. Guys like Sasha Vujacic, Vlade Radmonovic, Lamar Odom, Pau Gasol, Derek Fisher to name a few off the top of my head were all at one time or another key players for them just because they could stretch the defense.

How does Wilson Chandler on a team of guys who can’t shoot benefit them?

As for Ricky Rubio, who knows if he’ll be a star. I don’t love him, but he’s a helluva upgrade over Chris Duhon.

I still think Gallo for Rubio is too much. We have an idea what we’re getting from Gallo, the same can’t be said for Rubio. Also, Talent is extremely more valuable the taller a player is. I wouldn’t throw that idea out the window but I think could get more or move Jeffries.

you all should rad a little about the triangle offense

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_offense
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the three poiint shot isnt even a consideration. It is all about getting the ball into the post (any of THREE posts) and then hitting cutters to the hoop./

Gallo would be a horrible fit for that scheme.

I really believe that Wilson doesn’t get enough credit for his game simply because he has no personality. I have never been more bored listening to postgame interviews with a person.

Tina: Wilson, how good was David Lee tonight?
WIlson: He was good.

Digressed a little, but I think the reason he doesn’t get credit around the league and even here is that hes consistently overshadowed by more flamboyant, charismatic personalities. He’s having a very good statistical season, better than Gallo in a lot of respects, and Gallo basically gets all the credit. Thats not to say that Gallo doesn’t deserve a lot of credit..this guys game has improved a lot this year after coming off back surgery. But I do think that Chandler is known and respected around the league, its just that when it comes to the media he is pretty much invisible because of his personality.

I didn’t say it was predicated on it, but you need guys who can shoot in the triangle or any halfcourt system. Especially a halfcourt system. The Lakers won alot of games with guys like Robert Horry, Vlade Radmonovic, Derek Fisher, Lamar Odom, and now Pau Gasol stretching the floor for Kobe.

very interesting article…Hill needs to be playing at least 20 minutes a game from now on.

So what exactly did Craig Hodges, B.J. Armstrong, John Paxson, and all the other shooters Phil Jackson played next to Michael Jordan in Chicago do? Or Robert Horry when he was with the Lakers?

actually the scheme is purpose built to not NEED strong outside shooters.

Granted it has really only succeeded in the NBA with two of the most dominant players of all time (kobe and Jordan) .. Kobe is the real reason why the Lakers won a lot of games.

pau gasol stretching the offense for Kobe? that is a stretch.

I know they all used the triangle offense but I think comparing Jordan/Pippen and Kobe/Shaq to what the Timberwolves have or may potentially have is a bit much

WIlson Chandler’s a good player for this team, and this offense but I think he’d struggle in a halfcourt system. And the triangle is probably the most complicated offense in basketball to learn.

You need very cerebral players to run it well. It takes some players years to learn it. I think we all agree that basketball IQ is not Chandler’s strength. I’m quite sure scouts and GMs have noticed this too.

umm..they were standing around and watching Jordan do what he did.. seriously the outside shot by those guys was MAYBE the fourth option on the triangle

None of those Bulls teams were known as big outside shooting teams.and Horry is your best example on the Lakers teams?

The offense was Horace Grant and Bil Cartwright in the post with Pippen/Jordan playing off them and slashing or pick and popping..

If the Knicks were to get a LBJ the Knicks wouldn’t need a Rubio because whereever LBJ plays the offense is going to be run through him, PERIOD! LBJ is even a better facilitator than he is a scorer. LBJ is a Point Forward! That is why it would have been so perfect if the Knicks were able to draft SCurry, because SCurry is at his best when he is playing with a facilitator and thats what LBJ is a facilitator! I guarantee you if the Knicks sign LBJ they would have a better chance at getting SCurry for Gallo (though i do not want to trade Gallo seeing that i believe Scurry will be here in NY soon anyway) than Rubio. LBJ and Rubio is not a match. It may be a match in the hearts of some of you Knicks fans, but not on the court or in a basketball mind! Rubio and Joe Johnson would be a better match, Joe Johnson would be able to play off Rubio better than Rubio playing off of LBJ.

“D’Antoni said he sees Amar’e in me,” Hill said.

Thanks for that article. I wasn’t sure what the staff thought Hill should/would be, and, now, I’m pretty sure we know. So, after we get Rubio, do we go after Bron and Joe Johnson? lol

Sorry to go off topic here, but what happened to Pearl Jam friday night. I admit that I was a little ‘messed up’ that night, but I didn’t think I was so wasted that I couldn’t notice a pearl jam concert going on lol

But seriously, does anyone know what happened? I thought they were supposed to play half time.

If the Knicks were to get Rubio, LeBron wouldn’t have to run the team through himself all the time. You can take either side on this.

Why on earth would you turn down the chance for Bron when he and Joe Johnson wouldn’t even play the same position here. You’re telling me LeBron at the 3 wouldn’t work?

Ricky Rubio
Joe Johnson
LeBron James
Danilo Gallinari
Jordan Hill

That lineup isn’t feasible? Come on, now.

Their music was featured throughout the night going out of and coming back from commercial breaks; they weren’t scheduled to perform. Just a misunderstanding of the situation by TKB

I don’t think we have the pieces to get what we need straight up. It’s gonna have to be a multi team deal. I know that there’s always gonna be the argument of teams devaluing our players and overvaluing their own. Rubio is intriguing but unproven. Chandler is talented, but inconsistent. The same can be said about a LOT of players. Let me put another scenario out here…

Minny gets: Rudy Gay
Memphis gets: Wilson Chandler (and one of our 2nd rounders?)
Wiz get: Al Harrington/Jeffries/Ramon Sessions
Knicks get: Mike James, Mike Miller, Rights to Rubio

You might say that Memphis would never do it. But is Chandler at half the money plus a draft pick that much worse than Rudy Gay? Rudy is averaging 20/6 (in a contract year), Wilson is at about 15/6 (but coming off of a slow start because of that ankle surgery). A small market like Memphis, do you take Wilson at half the money and hope that he keeps improving?

And before you say Washington’s not gonna want Al or Jared, what are they giving up to get them? And these guys HAVE value, they’re going to play somewhere next year, they just need to be in the right situation. Jared’ not a star, and he’s overpaid, but he’s a good piece to have in the right situation, and next year he becomes an expiring anyway. I don’t know, I just think there are some opportunities out there if Donnie gets creative.

He was streaky beginning of the season. Has gotten much better as he has gotten healthier.

I would do Gallo for Steph Curry in a minute. Golden State could use a SF badly, and they already have a ton of guards: Monta Ellis, Corey Maggette, Kelenna Azubuike (should be coming back soon), C.J. Watson who are all longer and fit better with Monta Ellis than Curry.

I’d trade Gallo for Curry regardless if LeBron comes here. He’s playing well running the show in Golden State, and would look fantastic running the point here.

I disagree about Ricky Rubio and LeBron not playing well together. He played extremely well off the ball when he was playing with Jason Kidd in the Olympics the past few years. He also plays extremely well with Delonte West whenever Cleveland uses him at the point.

i dont think you can model the future Knicks offensive scheme by what you see in Cleveland.

Why on earth would lebron want to run ANY offense from teh top of the key?

I would think that the seven seconds or less would be back and Lebron would be a wing/ inside/outside player..

he would be the first option obviously but having Lebron “facilitate” from teh top of the key is just a crime. .. Having him hit cutters from the elbow and high/low post or take it to the hoop would be infinitely more successful than using a dominant 6 foot 9 260 pound freak athlete as the primary ball handler/facilitator.

If we are running and gunning get a real PG to orchestrate and facilitate and let Lebron do what he does best..

I’m sorry I just don’t see Wilson Chandler getting us back a star player. Not even with a second round pick. I don’t think he’s that good. Memphis actually liked Gallo before the draft a few years ago. He’s a perfect fit there too. Him and Randolph and Gasol would be an unguardable inside out combo.

I think Minnesota would do that deal in a minute, but you forget Rudy Gay is a free agent in less than 6 months. So I don’t know if they’d give up Rubio for a guy that most likely won’t re-sign with them.

thats fair.. i dont see him bringing us a star player in a trade either..

i think he is a lot better today than he was at any time last year because of his improved shot selection.

He is a cheap / controllable / good wing player with upside.

I think he is probably respected more around the league by scouts and GMs than fans ..

could he bring a point guard who has never played a game in the league and may never play a game for the team that drafted him? probably.

its debatable but not preposterous

“If we are running and gunning get a real PG to orchestrate and facilitate and let Lebron do what he does best..”

Which is make me scream AHHHHHH when he jams it on a 3-2 fastbreak on a dish from Rubio.

Minny would never do this trade.

cool yer jets! Kahn aint trading Rubio

I agree that Chandler isn’t enough. I also agree that our best chance to get him would be if Rubio tells them he’ll ONLY play for NY. Then Minny would HAVE to trade with NY, and what could we possibly give them in that situation. Only then would Chandler be enough imo

I brought up Gallo for Stephen Curry a few months ago and guys started freaking out. I think it’s a homerun for both teams. With or without LeBron here, the Knicks need a good young PG. Especially one who can shoot. It’s harder to find a good PG who can shoot, than a SF. Rudy Gay, Joe Johnson, LeBron James are all going to be available.

Steph Curry would be fantastic with any of those guys, and you could even put Chandler along side him at the 2.

PG Steph Curry
SG Wilson Chandler
SF Rudy Gay
PF Lee
C ? Camby? Hill?

Or even…

PG Steph Curry
SG Wilson Chandler
SF?
PF David Lee
C Chris Bosh

if we trade for Rubio and sign Lebron, Chandler would be long forgotten.

But you dont trade Gallo!!!

wow totally disagree on your comment about if LBJ comes then Gallo will be indispendable. They would compliment each other so well. You don’t trade Gallo for Rubio. Period

K-Hodge, why do i have a picture of you in a room with posters of cheech and chong on your wall, your laptop in your lap and a bong pipe in your hand, man???

This is off topic but I was wondering if there is anyway we could possibly get Luke RIdnour form the Bucks. Expiring contract and solig pg who is shooting well this year. I have no idea what the Bucks would be looking for or even if they would do a deal with us but I think he is a pg that we should at least look at

it does. not talent for talent wise, because Rubio has more upside, but it makes sense because of Minny’s situation (they may HAVE TO trade Rubio)

exactly. some people think gallo is expendable if lbj comes here. but its the opposite really

ROFL @ VOR…Nahhhh man, just ambitious..(although, I think I DO have the Big Bamboo from that album years ago..never used it though)..LOL…Seriously, in that scenario, who’s getting fleeced? Keep in mind, that I know Rudy is better than Wilson, but there’s a significant difference in dollars there too, and in this economy, for certain markets, that matters.

One 2/3 generally flows to the top during the pick and roll, one finds holes to cut, and the 4 sits in the corner for a 3. Gay shoots 35% career, Chandler 31% from beyond… Why have both on your team when they fill the same role? And why have either if you can have LeBron there? Chandler just seems more expendable than Gallo to me, even for Curry. If there’s one guy I might do it for, though, it is Curry. You have me there. I love his game even more than Rubio.

Wait, that trade was k-hodge, again?! LOL… Damn, man; you’re on a roll.

I like Ridnour alot. He’s under the radar playing next to Brandon Jennings, but he’s shooting 50% from the field and 40% from downtown. He’d be a definite upgrade over Duhon. Even a guy like Beno Udrih (I’m serious, check his shooting numbers) would be an upgrade over Duhon.

your right that his midrange is very good, but i guess instead of calling him streaky shooter, the correct term for him is inconsistant.

Boss of the trade machine baby! LOL I need a job..I’m trying to get Donnie to give me a call back!

the prob is that we would have to trade jeffries and/or curry if we want 2 max guys

@ The_Guy: My grandmother in a pair of Chuck Taylors would be an upgrade over Duhon..(and she passed away last year)

The point i was making about LBJ is that LBJ “likes the ball in his hands, he likes to run the show, and for the forty minutes he’s on the court since he believes he’s the best facilitator of the rock in the world, the best play maker in the world, the best and highest IQ (basketball wise) leader in the world, and the best lead guard in the world (which is not debatable) for 30 minutes of the forty minutes he is in a game-when i see him play-he likes the ball in his hands!

Mike D’Antoni likes long multi skilled players. Guys like Joe Johnson, Raja Bell, Shawn Marion, Boris Diaw. A combo of most of those guys played well together in Phoenix. Chandler and Gay are both long, athletic, both can block shots run the floor all day, rebound.

With a shooter like Curry he could get them a lot of wide open looks just by being on the floor as a threat.

Wow. I’m speechless.

Washington would not be in “the right situation” to get JJ because they won’t be competing for a championship. I agree about what you said about JJ though.

it would be a killer combo.
but i wouldnt label Rubio as a star only because we dont know how his game will translate in the nba. Does he have star potential? absolutely.

LOL..(but it’s true)…lmao

lol

i appreciate anyone who gives me a nice laugh. thanks for that.

Im not sure where you got all this information about Lebron’s likes and dislikes..

Do you speak directly for him or are you just making suppositions wrapped in quotes?

K-Hodge, Rudy Gay is their guy. They traded for him, mgmt and the coaches like him, and they know he is a special player with special talent who still have not reached his ceiling! if you were Memphis would you agree to the trades you propose???

I’m with Traps on that lineup Guy..I thought having Wilson and Gay on the floor at the same time seemed a little redundant, but I definitely wouldn’t mind having Curry

i dont get why you guys dont use the reply to this comment feature.

Biggie, I didn’t make a quote as to what he said only as to what i am seeing! The only time i ever saw him not be the lead guard in a game is when he was play with Kidd and CP3. And Rubio is no Kidd and no CP3!

“I like Gallo”

No you don’t.

Stop lying.

He’s a RFA

ah ok, that makes sense. I guess I don’t have to quit drinking after all. That could have been rock bottom. lol

Thanks

VOR – I know what you’re saying about Rudy being their guy. I’m really looking at it from a financial standpoint. They’re treading close to luxury tax zone. Rudy’s contract is no doubt gonna put them there. Then they’re gonna have to get ready to deal with OJ Mayo and Zach, although Zach’s will be a pay cut, but still significant I’m sure. That’s gonna be a lot of money going out soon and I’m not sure they were ready for that. They’re winning now, so I’m sure the attendance is going up, or will go up, and they’re gonna get some playoff games probably, so that will help. So to answer your question, from a talent standpoint with no other factors at play, if I’m Memphis, no, I stick with my guy. But I’m not sure how these other factors are gonna start to play into it.

Hey guys what about going another way for a PG? Maybe somebody like Darren Collison or Jeff Teague, I think these guy would be great on the team and an upgrade over what we have at PG now. Rather then over pay or get fleeced by another team for upside guys we can adjust the scope of what we need at the PG spot while being cost affective and still becoming much more talented at the point.

Good point.

Kevin McHale loves Wilson Chandler by the way. Obviously he’s not a GM anymore but it’s telling.

If he is not the GM anymore, why is it telling?

Interesting. I think the Bucks like him as insurance for Jennings though and we surely don’t have a PG to give them back.

Charlie Ward, today, would be an upgrade over Duhon.

what you see in Cleveland is clearly not the optimal way to use a player with the immense skill set of Lebron James.

Look at him in the Olympics as an example of what Lebron can do when he HAS a lead guard who can actually facilitate an offense.. And the guard doesnt have to be named Kidd or Paul.. just the style of play.. to get others involved and be the primary ball handler..

Why do you think there is all this buzz that Lebron wants out of Cleveland? Possibly because he is forced to play in a style and fashion that he is not most comfortable..
If Lebron had a real PG (not a super star but a past first guard) I would think he would have won a title already.

K-Hodge, I would think Memphis would let Zack walk before they trade away Gay. Or they just might choose to spend the money to keep their nucleus of up and coming players and a veteran like Zack together.

NO!Chris Bosh and Johnson

PG-Rubio
SG-Johnson
SF-Gallo
PF-Bosh
C-Hill

Walsh should just go down to the D-league and grab my guy Curtis Jerrells. I posted a link to his youtube video the other day but got no feedback. This Cat Jerrells is ready ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9anGAmF9sg

I think the Knicks should go after the following players who would all be an upgrade over Duhon:

Marcus Williams
Sergio Rodgriguez
Beno Udrih
K-hodge’s grandmother
Luke Ridnour
Jamaal Tinsley

He looks like he is a good scorer, is he a PG or SG? what do you think about Darren Collison or Jeff Teague?

No i don’t see it that way. LBJ is a lead guard/point forward, at 6-8 he See’s the floor better than any player or any pg in the world, he knows this, that’s why he likes to orchestrate-be the orchestrator of an offense-at least when i’m viewing his games!

how do you see that he “likes” to do something?

you also say he “knows” that he is the best PG in the world — how do you “see” that?

He does see the floor very well — not sure if i could say better than any PG in the world– but most things he does on the court he is the best in the world at doing.

what he is doing in cleveland is largely due to a lack of talent around him and a lack of offensive imagination by the head coach — in my opinion.

He’s a pg. I like Jeff Teague (I’m living in NC right now so i saw quite a bit of him-as he was playing at Wake Forest). He can get a little out of control sometimes, but he’s quick. Though he’s still a few years away imo. Collison i don’t like at all, and think all recent UCLA players have been over rated. He’s also quick but he can,t shoot. He’s a poor, poor mans Devin Harris!

I’m not sure what you mean by insurance for Jennings. Do you mean if Jennings pans out? Because they only have Ridnour for the rest of the year and I’m not sure if he hangs around to backup a younger pg with no hope of reclaiming the starting spot, and even if he has only good enough skills to be a backup he will probably get a chance to start somewhere (Duhon got one).

I agree but like Barkley says, he’d be even more effective if he didn’t have to go 1 on 5. It is effective down the stretch with the high screens etc. but if his teammates could actually make plays on a consistent basis he’d be even more effective. Mike Brown is doing a terrific job with the Cavaliers though, and I thought he was a weak coach.

AL TRAUTWIG would be an upgrade over Duhon

Because he was a GM and he thought that the Knicks had enough potential to make the playoffs with Wilson Chandler’s development. That is definitely a compliment.

CO-SIGN

At least we know that Gallinari’s not a bust.

I Ricky Rubio but the jury is still out.

*I like

I did not say he was the best pg, you yourself is not seeing what i am writing. I said he was the best “lead guard”, I see that when i watch him play. At 6-8, though he have a forwards stature, from what i see he has the mentality that allows him to conform to that position! LBJ is that above and off the charts imo ( and has been ever since i saw him in HS) that it is beyond him to subjugate the lead role in a game to any other player but himself (similar in some way to Peyton Manning)!

Cool have to be honest he looks like a good scorer who can go strong to the hole. How tall is he? he looks big & strong. Teague has always been a guard I liked, fast a good shooter shiiiiit im sure there both an upgrade over doohon lol. My issue with Collison is he is extra small but he stepped up his shooting.

I draw the line there, never compliment Trautwig, I mean like ever

Guy..if I was drinking just now you’d owe me a keyboard…LMAO! Too fckn funny..LOL

ROTFL

Jerrells is 6-1. His next game is Thursday (he play for the Austin Toros). All D-League games are free.

Haha. I still can’t believe how Dallas’ 2nd and 3rd string PGs DESTROYED our starter yesterday.

you said and I quote:

he See’s the floor better than any player or any pg in the world, he knows this, that’s why he likes to orchestrate

I see a big difference between being the number one option in an offense and being tasked with orchestrating the offense.

Haha….. On another note, is it just me or does Kenny Albert stink at calling Knick games. And I know this is messed up but he looks mentally handicap. Get Gus Johnson to call games when Mike Breen isnt available please!

I disagree somewhat in that good shooters are needed to help slashers and big men find that open man on the perimeter. Without it, you can just pack it in inside the paint now!

That is why Paxton, Kerr, Ariza and etc made a living just by standing locked in a set position on the perimeter. However, you need good b-ball iq person running the Triangle. Al Harrington running the triangle would like putting a triangle on his head! Dunce!

Cool I will have to check him out…in the end I think we both agree that we need to explore other PG options and not just extra hyped unproven guys that would cost us an arm and a leg. I think there are guys who could be really good with out being superstars but just very good and very effective in the system we are running and along side a stud free agent or 2.

Amen, your name is Matthew for a reason!

It’s not a “task” or even when you love to do it. That is what he is, Wade also to a lesser degree, only wade look more to orchestrate his own offense while LBJ looks to orchestrate the offense, all offense, and for that matter also the defense, the time, the coaching, and every aspect of the game with him as the nucleus!

It’s amazing that some can’t see that giving a 6-8 forward like LBJ the responsibility of being the PT forward or guard and having the ball in his hands most of the time takes away from the team and it limits his effectiveness.

Imagine having Lebron run off of screens,picks, posting up and etc. Teams would have a hard time defending this dude with a good pt guard handling the ball.

Now EVERY team knows LBJ has the ball and it should be easier to defend this since they can decide to put several person on him to make him give up the ball or decide that they would rather see LBJ go against 5 while his teammates watch!

Lebron is not the best shooter yet so I would make him beat me from the perimeter.

Jeffries, as we’ve talked about above. Possible, not probable, obviously.

i disagree. I think that is the role he plays in Cleveland and is likely not a successful role to play one on 5 every time down the court.

I dont think he is the best dribbler .. i think he is adequate… im not even sure he is a great orchestrator in terms of getting other team mates involved.. as the “primary orchestrator” in a playoff series (and i’ve seen other teams do this) I would full court press him with a decent (not even strong) and long defensive player and force the ball from his hands.. On the other side of the ball i would run at him and make him run through screens while he tried to defend the opposing point guard

I stil dont understand how you know he “loves to do” something

i’ll drop it because you dont seem to want to address the issues.. just say what he loves or likes to do and what he knows

Didnt you see the Olympics?

If a teammate of LBJ have the ball the last player your gonna leave or stray away from is LBJ. That’s why he makes sure the ball is put in his hands. You also need to see more of LBJ games because he’s not a selfish 1on5 type player! If there’s one gripe/criticism that continues to dog LBJ it is he is to unselfish and will look for his teammate with a clearer shot than go and take the shot himself!

Meaning injury.

i dont think i used the word selfish.

one on five refers to Lebron getting the ball at the top of the key.. they dribbling around and either finding a lane to drive or taking a shot off a screen… when he drives he either puts the ball up or kicks it out to a team mate for an outside shot..

that is what i meant by 1 on 5..

with a real PG lebron could do much more creative things off the ball and THEN either create or pass when he is doubled.. or the PG could take advantage of the inevitable LBJ double team and pass to the open team mate.

I’m gonna answer your question suitable to your ears and then i’m going to get something to eat. When Moses malone, Rodman, Barkley was grabbing 15-20 rebounds a game no one needed to ask them do they love to rebound, or if they love to pursue the ball as it came down from above because all that you saw and heard was evidence that they live to do that and that was who they were as ballers. That’s how clear it is to me when i see LBJ on the court!

Okay, what kind of much more creative things could LBJ do off the dribble oppose to having the ball in his hand??? Also if he was playing with a player like SCuury who do you think would be the primary ball handler/play maker?

doesnt really answer anything but it sounds good.

This is all I can say in response…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvz_3ddC-MA

off the ball?

high screens, low screens, screen and rolls, pick and roll, pick and pop, alley oops

fill the wing on the break?

leave early and look for the long ball pass?

LMFAO

That’s not LBJ game! Maybe JHill setting screens for “him” and then rolling, but LBJ would not be setting screens! I’ve never seen LBJ set a screen in my life! Also answer my question, if SCurry was our pg who would be the primary ball handler/play maker?

But now he’ll beat you from the perimeter. It’s scary.

Fill the wing on a break? He’s the fastest guy on the court. Back to what i have been saying all along, LBJ is a “Lead” player not a “Wing” player!

did you watch the Olympics.?

LBJ could run screens with someone like Hill or another forward or guard that would free LBJ up to get the ball. Happens all the time.. Not now with Cleveland because LBJ has the ball all the time watch Jordan in his prime or Kobe today.

If Steph Curry was here ? He might be a good PG.. havent seen much of his passing skills consistently.. But if he was brought in as the PG i’d imagine he could be OK. what does that have to do with anything?

how man creative plays could Lebron run as the primary ball handler?

Shoot the ball from outside off a screen or in someone’s face
Dribble and drive
dribble and pass.

Actually, the most potent part of LBJ’s game is getting out on the break W/OUT the ball. The other team misses a rebound; whoever secures the ball for the cavs looks up court as their first option to see if LeBron is streaking and/or open. Getting lebron the ball while he’s moving at topspeed in transition is the most unstoppable thing lebron can do. It’s like how Nash used to do with Marion, but LeBron has everything marion had, plus a whole lot more. LeBron getting out in transition is the hardest thing to stop in the NBA

If we got lebron, it would be back to run and gun, and his stats would so absurd from it that once he won a ring he’d be the consensus best player ever.

I, M, O.

PS, we can dream of landing rubio, and we can dream of shedding jeffres’ contract… But we can’t even begin to dream of a deal that would some how accomplish both of those things! C’mon now, be realistic.

So he is the fastest guy on the court. How does that preclude him from filling the wing on a fast break?

but he is the “lead” and not the “wing”

SMH

i think with a decent point guard Lebron could easily shoot over 60% and average 35 plus points and 15 boards with 10 assists.

Im just saying a decent PG.. right now he shoots UNDER 50% and scores around (under) 30 ppg with 8 boards and 8 assists.

I’m not saying that LBJ can’t and wouldn’t play off the ball some of the game-which he does now, all I’m saying is that he is a lead player, a play maker, and almost every time he comes down the court on offense he seeks to “lead” the offense.

All I’m saying is LBJ is LBJ and no other player (Rubio) is going to change who he is as a player! You build around him you don’t ask or expect him to be a piece to your puzzle! Dinner Time

I agree. he can play the wing on the fast break and rack up 30 points that way (like marion did for stretches,) but he can also innitiate the fast break, and play the point in the half court. Combine all those things and you’re talking 35 and 10 asssists, easily.

I know he’ll be the lead, but trust me; D’Antoni knows how to utilize a fast break player when he has one and LeBron is the probably the best fast break player of all time. He will be getting the ball at half court while already moving at top speed, after a very large percentage of defensive boards.. (if we get him.)

I hate talking about it like it’s a sure thing, when i don’t even think its above 50%.

Since you watch the Cavs so much who is the PG when Lenron is off the ball and what percentage of time does this occur per game?

Lebron gets 8 assists per game.. and takes 20 shots.. the second highest assit player is Mo Williams *no injured) with 5 and Delonte West with 3

I’d say 85-90% of the Cavs offense (from the games i’ve seen) is predicated on Lebron at the top of the key, either shooting a 3 (5 3pa/g) , driving and kicking or driving and shooting either a mid range or something around the hoop. very rarely does he get in the lane and pass to a team mate also in the lane… even with Shaq in the game.

table this debate until July 14th 2010

in a Marion PHX 7SOL paced game his numbers could really be historic. beyond staggering.

I just dont think he does that game at that pace as the primary facilitator.. So many here pencil him in as the PG of the future .. Which i think is just putting a muzzle on his game. Like Cleveland is doing now.

If you’re alluding to the fact they want to be players in free agency, who the f*ck wants to sign in the tundra. They don’t look like they’re going anywhere any time soon.

That said if there’s one thing the wolves need to focus on it’s tenacity and accountability and I believe more than most Jeffries brings that to the table. Although I’m not to optimistic this trade goes down, it makes sense for both parties more than some are giving credit.

Throw in more development from Hill and Douglas and a knock down shooter 2 guard and that’s a recipe for success in this system IMO.

I hear ya but LBJ is nowhere near the outside shooter than he is taking it to the rim. Like MJ, Superstars usually beat you at the foul line. that is a big reason why Ewing couldn’t get it done with shooting fadeaways. You don’t go to the line shooting fadeways.

Making LBJ shoot from the perimeter means it’s all or nothing with no safeguard like getting a foul called for being a Superstar taking it to the hoop. Half the time MJ or Kobe were never really fouled. There lies the advantage!

Great post.

But he’s unstoppable down the stretch when he goes 1-on-5 with shooters around him and Varejao setting high screens.

Under Mike D’Antoni and with a legit point guard, his numers would be Robertson-esque.

I dunno about anyone here but i do not want to give up Chandler or Gallo for an unproven PG.

His numbers aren’t even all that. From what i read from Hahn’s fix 6.4pts 5.6 ast 38% shooting.. No thanks. If we can do a S&T for Nate or something thats more like it.

Hahn didnt mention that Rubio is playing less than 20 minutes a game.

I still don’t give up Gallo and Chandler who are proven for someone we don’t know can make it in the NBA.

Virtually every published report has it that there is absolutely no buyout clause in Rubio’s current contract until the summer of 2011, not 2010. What’s more, if he waits until 2012, he can sign a much bigger contract than what the rookie pay scale would lock him into.

I know the nebulous “big markets trump all” argument is popular — I like it too — but common sense and basic contract law suggest the NBA won’t get a look at Ricky up close for a couple more years.

I agree.

I’m just saying that his jumpshot is legit now.

I havent seen rubios contract an I venture to guess neither has anyone writing these published reports

but I’m sure somthing COULD be worked out

hypothetically, if say MSG agrees to hold training camp in Barcelona and arranged some exhibitions games against FCB? Then FCB comes to NYC and reciprocated?

Rubio is splitting minutes at FCB so I doubt that a deal is completely non negotiable.

F*** “Blondie”!

ROLMFAO!

The Cavs are 23 games above .500

The Knicks are 9 games below .500

Just some perspective.

No shots.

http://dictionary.reverso.net/spanish-english/rubio

where is the one that must not be mentioned? If i havent shaved can i say “hairy’/……you know many peeps will say RUBIO.the last time i typed his name in the comp the one that starts wit H” and ends with “I”i got escorted away from here

how about trading CHANDLER to minny,HIll to minny Duhon,Lee,to minny we get back Rubio,and Sessions

Mo Williams and LeBron James 23 games above .500

Chris Duhon and Jared Jeffries 9 games below .500

Just some perspective.

No shots.

If the knicks had that team you think they would run a pick and role to david ee FIRST and if that fails maybe Lebron is open cutting to the basket? I think they will operate a little differently than that.