Bosh, Horford and Lee

How about the fact that everytime the have gone head to head Horfird has completely Pwned Lee?

Tommy– re that last bosh play

look at the tape.. Lee was on Bosh’s strong (left hand) side in the paint and didn’t rotate to clog the lane or help when bosh drove to the hoop.

Bosh dribbled tight past lee while he boxed the foul line instead of reaching 4 the ball – right in front of him — or trying to help the one on one defender (Chandler ? )

I think D’Antoni put Chandler on Lee because a few plays before, Chandler had handled Lee really nicely in a similar one on one situation.

Lee was in between Bosh and Turkoglu and couldn’t get to Bosh quick enough to affect the shot. I’m guessing he was afraid of leaving Turkoglu too open for the three as he was having his best night of the season.

did lee start the play on bosh then switch with chandler…Lee, at the end, was guarding turkoglu who was spotting at the top of the key…that’s the brilliance of the play, if Lee helps bosh kicks to hedu for a wide open 3.

Horford is standing next to one of the best post defenders in the league. When Smith was ejected in the 2nd Hawks game, Lee was far from pwned. Unless you consider giving up 18pts and 17reb pwning someone.

What is it with folks that couldn’t see plainly how Hortford owned Lee in their match-ups! It wasn’t even close!

I could less if either made it tot he All-star game but having a player play one end of the floor on a bad team is not a good reason to talk about snubbing! Yikes1 Have gone this far away from knowing good b-ball that we have turned into the…..Oh No…My Mets! I hate myself for saying that!

My Mets gonna win the pennant this year with only Santana pitching every other night!

True! I challenge Tommy or anyone to find a game where Lee rotated or provided help defense for someone entering the paint! Doesn’t happen! The “Donut Defense” that this coach installed does indeed work with the hole at center.

On anather note, here is an interesting comment from Reggie Miller during an interview with the NY Times today, when asked about LeBron to NY.

The Knicks are headed in the right direction, hopefully. They have a lot of money under the salary cap and hopefully they can get one or two of these free agents. It won’t be LeBron, but maybe they can get two others, and maybe they’re going to get on the right track.

Q.So the Knicks aren’t getting LeBron James?

A.No. They’re not getting LeBron.

Another

I don’t think knick fans should be complaining about Lee not making the all-star team. If anything, it’s a positive. First, it shows that other teams may be undervaluing him, which will help the knicks hopefully get a favorable deal during free agency. Other team reps may think Lee’s numbers are a product of the D’Antoni system. Secondly, Lee’s agent cannot use an all-star appearance as an additional selling point to pump up his price. Lee making the all-star team works only if you want to trade him, so Walsh could pump up his price. If you want to resign Lee, than this is a step towards that end.

He’s still Reggie Miller.

Nobody knows what’s going to happen – why would Reggie Miller ( I repeat, Reggie Miller) be a credible source of information?

If David Lee played on a team with Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, and Jamal Crawford, there is no way he’d be getting19-11 a game. Heck, he wouldn’t be in the game that much because they’d have enough offense that they’d put a good defender out there.

Interesting thread.

I think it’s a toss-up. David Lee is slightly better than Al Horford but it’s close. Horford is not a great player offensively but his D makes up for it. I think there’s at least a 4 point differential between Lee and Horford on the defensive end. The coaches rewarded winning but if the Gators had to switch teams I don’t think the Knicks record would be much better though – if better at all…

I think it’s 50/50. But Lee deserved to be an All-Star regardless, the fact that Allen Iverson and Kevin Garnett will go to Dallas is ridiculous.

I think last night was a perfect example of why lee and Bosh are on different levels. Lee dominated the 1st half and then completely disappeared in the 4th quarter, capping off a bad stretch with an atrocious missed wide-open layup that was probably the deciding play of the game. Bosh completely took over in the 4th quarter when his team needed him, spending most of the time going 1 on 2 and still getting baskets. Don’t get me wrong: Lee’s still a very good player, but no way he can do what Bosh does. Of course, lee also was unfortunately one of the 3 invisible men in the 4th quarter, as Al Chucketts did his thing and Nate dominated the ball as per usual. Again, Al needs to be gone and is a disgrace to the game of basketball. Im not sure I can watch him any longer.

_avi_ was not “snubbed” he wasn’t chosen. Period.

If he starts to hustle on the defensive end, even if it hurts his rebounding or his minutes played, he will be an All-Star in this league. Even if he’s on a losing team. Period.

I have spoken.

H

Mucha,

I think that only LeBron knows what he will do this coming summer, but nonetheless, I find it interesting that Reggie is sure as those 8pts he scored back in 95′

It’s just his opinion.

I don’t think LeBron knows what he will do this summer, other than waiting to listen to all proposals. If he’s smart (he is), he will sit down and assess them all open-mindedly, with all the info available to him. Then he can figure out what will be best for him.

That is why it is so ridiculous to hear all these commentators and “friends” speak with such surety about what LeBron will do.

Is there anybody that LeBron hasn’t confided in about his 2010 plans? lol

I think that Josh Smith deserved to go ahead of Horford, actually. He brings so much energy and speed to that team. His shot blocking ability is remarkable.

Why is defense such a big factor in an all star game where each team puts up like 140 points every year?

Not making any sense people.

I leave the blog for a week or so and this is what I find when I come back?

The police are back in town…so shape up people.

FYI…Horford is not better than Lee but you can’t get mad at Horford making the all star team.

like i said b4 this league isn’t what it use to be.

if your having a good year it shouldn’t matter what team your on.

horford an allstar i still can’t get over that i wouldn’t have that much prob with him if he was a replacement but dammmnnnnnnnnn..

this league is on it’s knee’s begging for help..

thats real talk…

Lee also made 2 very nice put back rebounds and baskets on missed shots, getting inside Bosh, and all, to do so. He missed the lay up but he was not invisible, by any means.

I think Bosh is one of the best bigs in the league and agree that he is on a different level. But be fair. Don’t rip down David to make your point. Bosh has done enough to prove his worth without using David as a straw man. For the entire game, David’s points and rebounds and, occassionally good, defense neutralized Bosh’s points etc. That is a compliment to David, not an indictment.

DAVID’S MISSED LAY UP WAS NOT THE DECIDING PLAY OF THE GAME. That’s just ludicrous. You talk about Al’s play in the 4th quarter and then determine that it was David’s play that lost it for the Knicks.

How about this one for you. THE KNICKS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO THE RAPTORS IN THE 4TH QUARTER IF IT WAS NOT FOR DAVID’S PLAY!

BTW — Did you see LBJ miss a lay up the other night. Hit the cooler perfectly though.

“If he starts to hustle on the defensive end, even if it hurts his rebounding or his minutes played, he will be an All-Star”

Thank you, HaS. It’s about time someone said those precise words. Making the All Star team is a recognition, an acknowledgment that your efforts are noticed by fans and coaches around the league. There’s no doubt that Lee plays like star on the offensive end (I’m not even gonna dwell on the “his numbers are inflated by D’s system discussion”), but he just looks horrible on the other. It’s not about being an impecable defender, it’s about being able to make a similar difference on both ends of the court. From that standpoint, he’s just not a complete player. I love his scoring ability and appreciate his effort to improve his game, but he’s got a little to go before being among the best around the league. It’s not just about every once in a while putting a decent effort on D (like yesterday), it’s about bringing it every night, and making other players notice your presence, with a huge “beware” sign. He’s got some way to go for that (if he even gets there).
So I don’t see him getting snubbed, I think he didn’t make the cut, plain and simple. I wasn’t all that crazy about everyone else who made it, but if Lee is smart, he’ll take this as a sign that there’s still some flaws in his game, and that he can do something about it to maybe get the call next season.

Wow….has anybody even compared their #’s? (Lee and Horford)

It’s not even close lol.

Eastern Conference scout on whom he sees as the league’s most improved player:

“David Lee is going to make a lot of money in free agency. He’s a point forward now. He gets a lot of hockey assists … he makes the pass that leads to a pass that leads to a basket. They’re running a lot of offense through him. You can’t just relax on him because he’s shooting jumpers confidently. He’s responsible for their [improvement]. He didn’t have this much responsibility before. I’m sure he’s disappointed that he didn’t make it [as an All-Star in the East], but he’s going to make himself some cash this summer.”

ESPN Weekend Dime

It’s not always about numbers and they can also be deceiving.

I still think that Josh Smith was the most egregious snub from the All Star Game. However, David Lee was deserving this year. He’ll probably make up for it in FA this year.

On another note, according to Chris Sheridan, the way that the NYK structured David Lee’s deal as a RFA, ensures that Lee doesn’t have a BYC therfore, allowing the team to package him for a trade straight up.

yes he is going go get big bank…..

Are you talking about Zach? Deceiving, indeed!

Getting picked for the all-star team has nothing to do with the all-star game itself

I agree about the snubbing. If you’re on a losing team, you should play both ends of the floor to, because those can’t really be inflated like a losing team. I still think Horford is a bit of a hard pill to swallow. So he dominated David Lee, Aaron Brooks could take David Lee in the paint. But it wasn’t just him that was stopping on defense, Josh Smith was clogging the paint and in the airspace.

Lee didn’t get snubbed (though I thought he earned a place in the discussion) But Horford snubbed someone. He gets lifted too much by his teams record. I think the 2nd best all around center in the east right now is Brook Lopez, but no way he would get selected on the Nets. I think Bargani or Bogut should have been there.

But it’s all because of D’Antoni’s system. It’s just stats. He’s got no defense.

Why would anyone pay DLee so much money?

Damn, if Lee comes away with big bucks because the system made the man, then that D’Antoni guy must be a damn good coach. Any player should take less money to play for D’Antoni knowing that there next contract will be a big one due to their inflated stats.

2010 and 2011 are looking even better to me now.

how bout the knicks draft the kid thats leading the ncaa in assist or this cat that plays in a small school vernon teel 6’4 190 p.g

Memphis has a winning record after being a basement team since their inception, couple that with Zach’s improved play and… how are his numbers deceiving?

going to the knicks game tomorrowww! go knicks!

you might be right.. they play call by Triano was complete brilliance and totally indefensible.

was our world class Olympic coach was outsmarted by the Raptors first year coach..?

Nah.. its the the call and the raptors talent.. The should run that same play 100% of the time .. they’d likely have 30 wins to date and be challenging for the league lead

Agreed. Offensive output can be skewed on a losing team, but not so much with defense. That’s why Bogut and Bargnani were the ones who got snubbed.

He definitely should be among the candidates for most improved player, there’s no doubt about that.

However, what “improvement” is he talking about? The Knicks are pretty much on pace to duplicate their record last year!

His comment lost all credence after that statement.

/sarcasm off

o really enjoy buddy

take a pillow with u ok an a alarm clock…

Donnie may not be familiar with his game.

Great post..once again…Horford is not better than Lee by any stretch of the imagination.

while it may not have been “the deciding play”, if Lee made it we would be looking at overtime instead of a 2 point loss, its as simple as that. I hold Lee to much higher standards than I do Al Chucketts, as I have always maintained that Al sucks and will kill his own team every game if he is allowed to. Lee is a borderline allstar, and as I said taking nothing away from Lee, this game perfectly exemplified why Bosh will get close to max money and be a franchise player and why Lee won’t. Lee definitely was invisible compared to earlier in the game, where he dominated for most of it as I said. He did not jump out at all in the 4th quarter, except for the dunk that seemed like it would be the deciding play off of Nate’s great pass. I have no idea what you are referring to when you say that I “ripped down Lee”. i went out of my way to say he was a very good player, who was simply outdone in the 4th by his allstar counterpart and that was a major factor in the loss. Thats it…….Al Chucketts and Jordan Hill certainly bear the brunt of the loss for this one, but again thats definitely to be expected with both of them, as Chucketts just flat out sucks and is a joke, and Hill is still raw based on not playing a lot.

If you are than so is he.

Sorry you walked right into that one.

Im guessing maybe he was referring to their improvement after their 1-9 start, or maybe like usual ESPN has no idea what they are talking about.

Um… what team was _avi_ playing for at that time?

better defensively..

don’t worry the east is going to lose by 50 this year..

LOL that was so bad of comeback it actually made me laugh.

Defense is not glamourous, but it is what makes the difference between the good and the great/championship teams.

Good..well at least we’re getting somewhere with you Has.

exactly…some defense huh?

Still think Josh Smith is the most egregious snub…

“2010 and 2011 are looking even better to me now.”

*puff-puff*

*pass*

Yeah man, me too.

lee should step his O game up a lil more an work on a 3pt shot..

So, wait a minute… you guys don’t actually believe _avi_ would have been the difference between the East losing by 50 and winning, do you?

Step away from the QWERTY…

did u look at the east squad it’s a joke got a fossil lineup.

an a ok bench.

rose is overrated not saying he isn’t a good p.g but he is OVER

i said they going to lose by 50 cuz the east got a weak line up an squad overall…

not a lee fan like most..

Rose overrated?

You haven’t seen him play since december I guess.

He’s unstoppable.

lmao..

he’s ight..

way better than duhon

but he is no d.will

Nah Chandler is a good defender but apparently he forgot that Bosh likes to go left lol.

Don’t blame it on D’Antoni, Chandler was SUPPOSED to know that and act accordingly.

Chandler’s fault.

That’s a match-up problem.

McHale used to kill Barkley didn’t he.

Well D. Will might be the best PG in the NBA and Rose is just a sophomore.

But Rose will be better than Paul and Williams in 2 years. He’s a flat-out stud.

Deron is a better POINT guard by far of course, so is Paul, but when Rose’s jumper is on call it a night. He does carry the ball a lot, but how many guards in the NBA do? It’s become the new “traveling”.

If he develops a 3 point shot and a mean crossover then he should make the team next year LMAO.

Deron is the better pure point, but i think rose is going to turn into somethiing different, but that’s not a bad thing. His last 8 games hes doing like 25 5 and 5. Even though he’s listed as a PG i still don’t see him as a pure one; he’s more like a wade to me.

Mucha i used to tell you rose was way over rated, but i’m being proved wrong.

lmao..

i don’t even like parker but he’s no parker either..

he got a weird jumper form

he will make all his point to the hoop i can’t see him becoming a good jumpshooter with that form an release

mayb
but i can’t see that
i can see him scoring more if the bulls don’t get help

he’s no m.ellis either..

Ever see Reggie Miller’s release? It’s all about repetition and confidence my man. Trust.

don’t 4get about andrew yogurt.

horford made it there cuz u know why

but horford is ight..

now seriously.
.
they just showed the play on SNY -Daily News Live

Bosh on right wing one on one with Chandler (giving up how many inches?) . 4 players camped at the 3 pt line.. Lee at the free throw line.

Harrington was on his guy on the right side 3 pt line so he was out of the play.. Nate on the left wing player at the three line

If Lee was “guarding Turkoglu” (who was beyond the top of the arc) he was about 10-12 feet away from him (inside the Free throw line)

Lee committed to the double team once Bosh made his move tot he hoop.. weakly.waving as Bosh dribbled by him and Chandler.

Chandler Should have been over playing the left lane and forcing to the baseline because Bosh is lefty but (Chandler must have thought) Lee was on the left as a help defender inside the key.

If Im picking my poison I would have preferred giving the shot to Turk at the top of the arc with 4 defenders waiting for the board than bosh 3 feet from the hoop .

Even having Nate and Harrington (and Lee for that matter) out there on a must defensive stop was a mistake., But i realize it is not this coach’s philosophy to make defensive substitutions. this i put on the coach.

essentially it was Bosh against everyone and Bosh won.

If I was lee? I would have immediately committed HARD to the double team on Bosh and get the ball out of his hands.. force him to pass to Turk at the top and then rotate back to Turk to either be in position for the charge (if Turk put the ball on the floor) or be in position for the rebound if Turk took the three.

just my 2 cents.. but i didnt coach the olympics so what do i know.

Do you always laugh at your own jokes?

So nobody thinks we should make a move for Iguodala? Would you not go nuts if the rockets get him for Tmac in a salary dump!?! Sh!t I know we can offer better then that if there looking to dump his big contract!! Al N8 & JJ for Igudala & Kpono.
money is right & there out from under his contract, we get the other star we want to pair with whoever our free agent target is (LBJ) or if we get nobody other then a Blake or Ridnour would our team not look much better & balanced with a real go to guy & a real SG to go with our young guys?
is it not worth a legit shot @ least? Wauruare

me being a baller for years

rose will never be a good shooter..

miller had a real good form an release..

no doubt it’s about confidence
but ugly/big people got confidence doesn’t mean they gonna bag the finest people..

Yeah, he doesn’t average 8 turnovers per game.

let’s see what donnie comes out with this summer then i’m down for trades like that..

@ Jeff – He’s not the smartest basketball player on earth that’s for sure. His interviews are priceless lol. But he plays hard everynight + talent + upside + athleticism + strength + solid midrange jumper = Stud.

On the other hand Anthony Randolph didn’t have what I’d call an All-Star season and I was wrong from that perspective…

ROTFL

lmao

i see the rose wagon is big on here.

monta is a better shooter an scorer
probaby a better passer/better at setting up his teammates..

yall krazy man..

Iguodala is so OVERRATED it’s not even funny. He wouldn’t fit particularly well with our personnel and he would hurt our capspace if we only dump Jared Jeffries in the process. He makes more than $12 million per year over 5 years!!!! His team sucks despite the fact that he has a better supporting cast than David Lee!

Pass!!!!

Rose’s midrange jumpshot is money – he can’t shoot from long distance but he’s solid from midrange.

That’s why the Bulls have a winning record and the Warriors don’t!

it’s money just like any player that has it going in game.

but consistently nope..

warriors play in the west plus are hit with injuries

but ellis over rose is no contest as of rite now..

“the greatest coach in the world”

FOH

Who wrote that Crain’s article that Tommy posted again? They couldn’t have possibly been a sports fan.

Two words :

Watch TV

LOL

lmao

i see dude

he just turned it on offensively but his jumper is ight for a pro.

an that goes for alot of players also.

there isn’t much p.g in the league thats better than me..
they just lucky they in the nba.

i havn’t played in while an at 30 i’ll still put it on these weak players..

thats real talk..

No contest?

January :

DERRICK ROSE

14 games 9-5 record

Including wins against Phoenix, Houston, OKC and Orlando…

23.5 PPG, 0.51 FG%, 6.5 APG, 3.3 TPG

MONTA ELLIS

11 games 4-7 record
27.2 PPG, 0.439 FG%, 6.6 APG, 3.7 TPG

It is debatable. But “no contest”? LMAO

How about between really crappy and just plain bad?

overall it’s no contest

if rose continues to get better over the years it will be a contest..

Let’s look at your points.

We agree on Al. No expectations for him

We agree that Bosh is an elite player, David is not. Agree also that Bosh will get a max contract — and should, and David will not– and shouldn’t. However using this game to prove your point is where you went wrong. The only way you could come up with that notion is if you were looking for flaws in Lee’s game and letting Bosh’s mistakes slide.

Lee missed a layup and hedo blocked another. He also missed a tip on Gallo’s missed lay up. Bosh missed a lay up on the first play of the quarter and missed one on the play that Hedo climbed David’s back for a put back. If Bosh didn’t miss the lay up the Raptors would have won by 4.

Actually that last statement is no more true than your original statement that if Lee made the lay up we would have gone into overtime. I just included it for effect. Teams play differently with the lead than they do when behind. You can never make the assumption that if one result is changed that all that ensued would remain the same.

Let’s look at the stats. Bosh 27 pts, Lee 29 (on fewer shots) — pretty even. Bosh 15 rebounds (3 off), Lee 18rbs (6 off). assists B1-L3, blocks B1-B0. Lee played one of his best defensive games of the year (maybe of his life) last night despite the occassional breakdowns and failure to help. Bosh made mistakes on defense too, but I would give the edge to him on d.

Just from this game alone (those are the parameters you set at the beginning), how is Bosh so superior. If anything they played even up as the stats would tell you (accounting for Bosh’s better, not vastly better, defense). Perhaps you could say Lee had the edge.

David “completely disappeared in the 4th quarter”.

OK, let’s go back to the stats. Bosh 8 pts., Lee 6 pts. Bosh 6 rebounds (1 off), Lee 4 (3 off). Bosh 0 assists, Lee 2. Bosh outplayed Lee, but still stats would indicate that Lee did not disappear. (projected over a full game that’s 24-16-8). Especially since Al sucked the energy and momentum out of the team in the final quarter. Lee also scored the final points and had the final rebound for the Knicks.

My point is not that Lee is a better player than Bosh. I’m just tired of people picking Davids game apart after every loss and concluding that he is the reason for their failure. In fact, David is the main reason that the Knicks are competitive in as many games as they have been. Without David, we’d have a lot of games like the Dallas fiasco.

You did say that Lee was a good player immediately after you ripped him apart for his 4th quarter play and pointed out that it was his play that lost the game for the Knicks. Perhaps I was confused.

zach in just in the rite situation now
zach isn’t doin anything different

he’s just balling an it’s working overall..

lee has always been a good rebounder can’t take that away from him he has worked on his jumper

an yes to an extent the system is paddin his offense..

Lost your sense of humor?

“miller had a real good form an release”

Dude how long have you been watching basketball? Reggie had one of the worst and ugliest forms EVER. Period.

Elbow out and his arms would cross upon release every time. Don’t believe me? Check the tapes homie.

That’s “real talk”.

No shots.

OK, I won’t take sides. I’m willing to give up Gallo for either one of them.

Oh, I forgot. He’s untouchable.

How ’bout JJ instead? lol

lmao

not uglyer than rose..

rose shot isn’t 2 far off of marions…

like i said rose will not be a good shooter unless he changes up his form..

lol.

don’t take sides man

ellis is better than rose as of rite now..

I don’t know Mucha. Having a 37 game reprieve from the nightly nightmare of watching Al is not something you’d want to dismiss lightly.

I agree!

Yeah but both were undeniable all-stars who team had a winning record! See any difference?

You don’t need to convince me. I’m a big fan of Monta’s. Think Nellie is a moron for trying to alienate him several times.

When I look at Rose I see a player who is getting better by leaps and rebounds.

I don’t know where his ceiling is. Nor do I know if he’ll reach it. Kid is very good already though.

I agree that he is a different kind of pg too.

Yep keep it real! Lee is white dude in the NBA who speaks well, can rebound and has improved his shot. On marketing alone Lee appeals to demographics paying for tickets.

That is good for the NBA and if Lee played defense or was made by the coach to be better at it, I would hope that he remain a Knick for a long time.

Lee has worked hard to improve those offensive skills and that should be applauded. However, a center has to defend period!

Well my point is with repetition, practice and confidence any player with any form can turn themselves into a consistent jumpshooter.

haha perfectly said. I agree, at this point I would trade for the worst contract in the league now, screw over our chances at getting Lebron, just to avoid having to watch Al Chucketts play ever again. He is that bad.

Yes you are right maybe my logic is flawed…I’m so used to seeing I guess I will say “misleading” stats from Lee even though again I have said he is a really good player who would get a lot more attention on a good team. I was at the game, and honestly I just remember feeling that Lee disappeared and Bosh took over, though those stats seem to prove me wrong. I think the point I was really trying to make is the type of attention Bosh demands…I seem to remember pretty much all those late points coming in isos where he was doubled and generally drew a lot of attention from the Knicks defense. Lee on the other hand got 1 tip in that I remember, and I just don’t remember him really commanding that much attention, although even I undermined that point myself by pointing out that Al and Nate dominated the ball so much that Lee didn’t get a chance.

The only part of your argument that doesn’t sit well with me is trying to argue that the missed layup by Lee wasn’t a deciding play in the game. It was huge…and he is too good of a player to miss an easy unguarded layup like that. All possibilities and contingencies are really useless in analyzing it, a missed wide open layup from an all star that doesn’ t get tipped in like Hedo did to Bosh’s will kill a team trying to come back from a deficit in the end. Every other part is good…you are right man..although again I still think the way they scored was revealing…I was more trying to point out how good of a player Bosh is.

This is a little off topic . I’ve been reading alot about the Cavs and how they are really the best team in the NBA.

I just cant see Lebron leaving that team, hs home town for a real ? team like NY .

Sure we got some nice players who MAY down the road be good players but there is more uncertainty than certainty in NY . Lebron must be wondering why Walsh has done nothing to make the team better and more competitive.

We have no pick , a plethora of expirings so its gotta make you wonder

Anything is possible but I dont think he’s coming. Same goes for Wade and Bosh .

Sorry to sound a little bummed but I pray Walsh makes some real crafty moves come the deadline

Ya know what, wake me up in 2013 not 2010, when we have a legitimate 7 foot center and a true point guard.

And Pat Ewing is our coach. Them maybe we have a chance at being a championship team.

D’Antoni is not that good of a game coach and his concept of basketball is not realistic for the NBA. The type of players who excel at the professional level do not fit what D’Antoni wants to do, he’s in a fantasy league.

So call me Rip Van Knickle and wake me up in 2013.

i know your point but my point

but it will take longer or might never happen with guys with messed up stroke.

see marion
an alot more.

goodthing the guy rose drives if he had to depend on his shot he would be DUHON..

lmao..

thats real talk 2012

i wish the knicks would of gotten him

the money might be a lil 2much but rite now he’s living up to that money

ofcourse X

every1 knows what lee lacks almost every analyse knows
the guy is swiss chesse playing center…

It can be the difference between crappy and scrappy.

Again, it has nothing to do with stroke. Derrick Rose’s form looks 10x better than Miller’s ever did, but Reggie could snatch off his suit off the TNT sidelines and still take Rose’s lunch money from behind the arc.

And dude, 30? That’s how you write at 30? How were you writing at 18? Whoa.

You’re my man though. All day.

And so it begins…

The Kool-Aid is wearing off.

Let’s hope LeBron still believes he hype about this coach. Then we can fire him.

Lee is obviously challenged defensively but we have to take into account his defending of much bigger and taller centers. Lee is the smallest starting center in the league, height and weight wise. However his offensive game is like n other big in the league. He is dishing out assists like no other big. He is around 4 assists a game and he’s growing with each game. I don’t think Horford should have made it over lee (just look at the numbers) but i didnt think he’d get the respect from the league and make it anyway.

shouldnt* sry its 5 am

I cannot believe why Tommy Dee actually believes Lee got snubbed. It boggles my mind. Its not that hard to comprehend why Lee did not make it in. The real matter is who is more deserving. Horford or Bogut?

Lee is an absolutely terrible defender. Unless you are blind and only listen to Mike Crispino on the radio, then you would be aware of the fact that David Lee on defense is the same as no defense whatsoever. If only the NBA implemented a substitution change system like the NHL where Lee runs onto the court when the Knicks have the ball then returns to the bench once the opposition gains possession and is replaced by a Jared Jeffries. That would actually be the perfect solution to the Jeffries offensive problem and the Lee defensive dilemma. But of course, that is not possible.

Defense is the name of the game. Defense wins championships. Its all about defense. We have heard these statements in every sport. Defense is the key to winning. Why do you think the Knicks slowed down their offense? Because they wanted to be able to slow down the teams fast break game (since the Knicks, when missing quick shots, allow the opposition to take advantage of the Knicks unset court positioning by running the ball) and play a more stable half court defense. That is why the team was successful in December.

Yet, the fact of the matter is David Lee is a terrible defensive center who is undermining the Knicks winning chances. When your center cannot stop Jose Juan Barea from penetrating, then you have a problem, a huge problem .

David Lee = no defense = does not deserve All-Star berth.

As others have stated, you have to be solid on both sides of the ball in order to be recognized.

HaS, no one ever believed D’Antoni could win with this “team.” I though Donnie would actually try to win the last few seasons. Any GM could actually sit down and be told to wait until 2010 to start signing players.
If Donnie fails to bring in a big name such as Bosh, Wade, LeBron or Joe Johnson (I don’t consider Amar’e as elite) , there is going to be a riot in NY. Throwing away two seasons and not getting the job done in 2010 will bring the ax on Walsh.

Its all about 2010.

Hmmm no.

Amare Stoudemire : 5-time All-Star
Steve Nash : 7-time All-Star
Carlos Boozer : 2-time All-Star
Antoine Walker : 3-time All-Star

And wasn’t Zach Randolph criticized for his lack of defense?

Let’s be serious, defense has nothing to do with being an All-Star. Period. The question is “Is David Lee good enough to be an All-Star” but the notion that “you have to be solid on both sides of the ball in order to be recognized” is BASELESS.

“no one ever believed D’Antoni could win with this “team.””

Ah Hah! That’s where you’re wrong more than half the people on this site thought that the playoffs were a sure thing and that they would finish near .500, possibly competing for the 6th seed.

lol yeah but I don’t want to see the Knicks hurt the capspace.

Iguodala’s contract is more than $5 mill bigger than Jeffries so that’s a no-no.

I was Harrington’s biggest supporter… I’m a hater now lol. He’s unwatchable.

Face palm.

I see the difference but it has nothing to do with Lee-Horford.

Horford is a bad match-up for Lee just like Lee’s a bad match-up for Stoudemire.

I was quoted in the article and someone from the KNICKS said those words you can’t get over.

Chandler was overplaying left but the left BLOCK was open.

Lee didn’t help bc Turk would have buried the easiest 3 pointer for a great shooter. Top of arc.

The left side had shot shooters in case anyone helped.

have to stop the ball.

I disagree we don’t have a legit SG who can create forhimself & other & takes it to the hole HARD! He is not a one trick pony by any means. Also I don’t see him as the main star just the robin 2 whoever ends up being our batman. I am over the LBJ crap if we get him great but I’m think 2011 when EC is of the books & Mello is sick of the western division playoff minefield & & can see how he fits right in to SF spot with Iguodala,Gallo,Chandler & maybe Hill along with cap space 1RD pick & a younger brighter future then denver in the city he was born in & the team he was born to play for.

this…

LMAO

Andrew Yogurt

Priceless

Lets not be shortsighted here Mucha. Of course having a good team record plays a huge part in receiving an All-Star selection.

But the fact Lee does not play defense is a major factor in him not having a ticket to Dallas.

There are other factors against Lee as well. The idea that D’Antoni’s system inflates statistics, the national bias against NY (deserved bias I might add as the Knicks have the most money to spend but have been the laughing stock in the NBA), and the reputation of being a turmoiled franchise.

If David Lee actually played any defense, the Knicks would probably have a better record, which probably would translate to an All-Star selection for Lee.
Therefore, playing solid defense would lead to Lee’s recognition. Mucha, defense translates to wins, as we saw in the Knicks slowing down their offense in December. Its not that hard to comprehend.

P.S. – During the years that those players you mentioned gained All-Star berths, their respective teams were above .500.

Yes his lack of D is a major factor but it’s definitely not a decisive factor.

Obviously the Knicks would have a better record if David Lee played better defense but that would be the case if the Knicks didn’t have to play 3 on 5 with the worst starting point guard in the NBA and one of the most useless offensive players in the NBA.

Stoudemire plays with Nash, Richardson, Hill Barbosa etc. Boozer plays with Williams, Okur, Brewer etc, Randolph plays with Gay, Gasol and Mayo. Apples and oranges.

David Lee didn’t get the benefit of the doubt because his team sucks. But with Deron Williams, Ronnie Brewer, Memet Okur and Andrei Kirilenko the Knicks would have a winning record.

but in reality,he is