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Walsh Actively Shopping

by Tommy Dee on February 1st, 2010 at 11:14 pm

It’s no secret what Donnie Walsh’s agenda is, and it’s clear that he has been active in trying to make moves in order to possibly salvage the season without compromising 2010. But there is little question that this trade deadline presents more of a challenge than year’s past. Especially, when you consider a possible work stoppage starting in the summer of 2011. That said, Walsh is apparently getting aggressive.

“…League sources polled this week said Philadelphia and New York are the most active,” the Sac Bee reported Monday.

“…The Knicks are looking to shed even more salary-cap room for this coming summer as they prepare to make a run at James. Small forward Jared Jeffries is among those said to be available…”

Nothing earth-shattering, but it’s clear Jeffries is being shopped. We know he’s been discussed in a T-Mac situation, but Houston is balking at the notion.

Last year, Walsh made a push for the playoffs adding Larry Hughes in a package including Tim Thomas and Jerome James. Truth be told, sources have told TKB that Walsh feels he made a mistake in dealing Thomas, especially considering what has transpired this year with Hughes and Mike D’Antoni. But the thinking was Thomas was going to impede the progress of Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari and Hughes could help their shooting guard issues. He hasn’t.

The other day at practice, Walsh was overheard telling Hughes that he wanted him here, but the relationship between player and coach has seemingly reached the point of no return.

And just today, Chris Sheridan of ESPN mentioned this note in his chat. Take it for whatever it’s worth.

“…It’s all about trading Jared Jeffries at this point, otherwise the Knicks are more or less doomed to losing David Lee next summer (either through a siogn (sic)-and-trade, or outright with nothing in return on the unrestricted free agent market) if they land LeBron James. If they move Jeffries for expiring money, they’ll have enough room to go after James and then choose between Lee and Bosh, if Bosh is interested. I’d also postulate that if it took the inclusion of Nate Robinson to get Jeffries off their cap, they’d probably do it if they had to. (The problem, though, is that Nate has a trade veto, and he wouldn’t want to go anywhere except Boston, or to a team that’ll have enough room under the cap next summer to hook him up for 3 years. Plus, Nate is a base-year compensation player, which complicates what’s doable under the NBA’s restrictive trade rules.)…”

Asked about the possibility of dealing Jeffries, Sheridan replied:

“…Doubtful, but not impossible…”

They will make a push, and a league source has told me that he feels a deal will happen.

“…Yes, they are easily one of the most active teams right now in making a deal as the deadline approaches. Big or small, I’m not sure, but a deal is likely happening…I don’t think there’s much interest in Jeffries though…”

A small deal for a player with an expiring contract to a team outside the playoff hunt makes no sense, unless it’s to make sure that there aren’t TOO many lottery balls. Any deal, to me, would have to be big enough to get Jeffries off the roster and of course may have to include a young player, namely Wilson Chandler or Jordan Hill.

  • SpaceMan

    wait? donnie is trying to move jeffires?! since when? how come I’ve never heard of this? this is ridiculous.

    -sarcasm-

    donnie is not going to do anything of any significance.he’s got all his eggs in the lebron james basket even if that basket is fulla whole and the eggs are falling out of it.

  • SpaceMan

    “holes”

  • SpaceMan

    I’m not gonna knock him for it(its better than the abominations that Isiah made) but he should have something in place if he can’t move jeffries.don’t lose lee for nothing.

  • starksoakmase

    I’ve said before that the knicks should not trade any of the young players just to dump JJ unless you consider Nate one of the young guys.

    Hey, is that true about not being able to keep Lee and get Lebron?

    What is the most the knicks can offer LeBron?

    What is the most the Cavs can offer LeBron?

    Obviously the Cavs can offer more, but what exactly is the difference?

  • manners

    knicks trade Hill and or Chandler just to get rid of Jefferies and his contract and your going to have one pissed off Knick fan here. Its not so much about the trading of anyone of those two young players. Its more about Jefferies being a good player who the team is giving away for just a CHANCE at some free agents. What would the team look like with two max players and a bunch of D leaguers?? Look at Utah that is who we should aspire to be like.

  • italian stallion

    IMHO, any move that includes either Chandler or Hill to move Jeffries one year sooner would be blatantly stupid. I would lose all faith in Walsh.

    The only possible upside would be landing Lebron and Bosh/Lee. I see the probability of that being very small. Perhaps in the 10% range at best. The downside is giving up a core player that will probably be very good in 2-3 years and not signing Lebron which would be a disaster of the first magnitude and probably has a probability of 90%.

    In addition keeping Jeffries does not preclude the possibility of signing Lebron in 2010 (and keeping Chandler/Hill) and then signing another max contract player in 2011 when both Jeffries and Curry are off the books.

    Seriously, if they move Chandler and Jeffries to create more space next year I am done with this franchise. I’ll become a Nets fan because they are clearly going about things the right way even though they have no chance of landing Lebron and are a worse team right now.

  • CircleLimit4

    Ray Allen, Brian Scalabrine, Tony Allen and J.R. Giddens

    for

    Lee, Harrington, Jeffries and Nate?

    Does that work?

  • SpaceMan

    i understand your apprehension, i mean if deals are going to be made, how about making moves to make the team fit better so if lebron comes in, the team won’t have to be adjust after he’s here.as far as I’m concerned nobody should untouchable, so as long as we get equal value in return.

  • italian stallion

    The difference is a few million but there is also a way for Lebron to get all the money and still leave the Cavs. He can tell Cleveland management he is leaving and only willing to go to NY, Chicago, or Miami (or wherever) and they should sign and trade him. Then the Cavs will get something back and aren’t devastated by the move, Lebron gets every penny he can get, and he gets to go to a city he’ll be happy with. To me, that’s the most likely scenario if he leaves (and I don’t expect it)

  • SpaceMan

    “no one should be untouchable.”

  • DinnerDog

    This may sound blasphemy, but what about trading Lee in a package with Curry?If the Mavericks were willing to take Curry and Lee for some of their big expiring deals, would the Knicks do it? We’re not going to make the playoffs this year anyways. And if we’re serious about going after two max deals there wouldn’t be room for Lee.

    Because David is a BYC player, it would take a third team with cap space and David Lee agreeing, but what does anyone think about this idea? You keep your cheap young players, and then you dont lose Lee for nothing if you anticipate that you might not be able to sign him next summer. Also this would make the Mavericks way better.

  • starksoakmase

    Let me talk you off the ledge…….
    Donnie is about to earn his paycheck during this time leading up to the deadline and then over the summer.

    In Donnie we trust, until he proves unworthy of our trust.
    I agree with you that trading chandler,Hill, Gallo, TD just to trade JJ is not part of the plan, which is why Donnie won’t do it.

    Come on man, the Nets?

  • harris

    I would much prefer having Lebron and Bosh with a bunch of “d leaguers” as opposed to what the Knicks have now.

    Also, I don’t think there are too many guys out there that are chomping at the bit to play with Jeffries. No offense to JJ, but he’s awful offensively, and his defense probably looks better than it really is given that most of the players on the roster don’t play defense.

    I do agree though that it is dangerous to trade a young player with Jeffries to get rid of that contract-however, that is all about keeping your young core. It has nothing to do with JJ’s abilities, which are marginal at best.

  • starksoakmase

    That is a gamble of Thomasonian proportions.

    i just don’t see Donnie doing it.

    Resign Lee, try for LeBron or Wade, but probably settle for Joe J. Then get more in 2011 when curry and JJ come off the books is what Donnie will probably do.

  • SpaceMan

    no team is going to take on a rfa like lee for curry.no matter how good he is.

  • SpaceMan

    lee’s caphold will be too high to be able to sign james and him without moving jeffire or curry at least.its not happening.

  • harris

    I would do that-there’s no guarantee that the Knicks will resign Lee anyway.
    Getting rid of Curry’s contract would be a major coup-I’m not sure the
    Mavericks do this though-if they are trading Lee to a third team, what are they getting out of this?

  • starksoakmase

    That would be crazy drama.
    LeBron would be hung in effigy in Ohio if that happened.

    But then he would hurt his chances of winning in his new home because they would give up assets to get him.
    Odds are he and wade stay put.

  • CircleLimit4

    Isn’t trust earned?

  • starksoakmase

    Even if James and/or Lee backload their contracts?

  • paulempson

    Walsh said he wants Hughes in the picture ?? We know thats a lie .

    Move those expirings for picks , players with expirings and throw in any of teh following to get it done if it means getting Jeffries off the books

    Harrington, Nate, Chandler,Hill,Darko, Mobley , Hughes,Duhon

    New Orleans could use Duhon right now with CP3 down

    Some has some playesr they rather swap with . I have to say Lee and Nat ehave good value in a trade that they would agree to . Teams contending like

    LAL
    BOSTON
    SA
    PHX
    DALLAS

    Donnie has to go for it . Gotta give to get

  • starksoakmase

    This may be an antiquated notion, but I like to keep players the knicks draft. I’ve watched Lee and Nate develop. It would be cool to keep the both of them. Of course, if keeping either of them keeps the knicks out of the LeBron or Wade sweepstakes, I would pack their bags for them.
    I am probably in the minority in regards to Nate, but I’ve always liked him in spite of his antics.

  • dino2008

    i disagree. this team is overloaded with forwards and lbj is a forward. if you are able to sign joe johnson then the chances of lbj coming here increase tremendously. i like wilson chandler a lot ansd i know his game will continue to improve, but if donnie is UNABLE to move jj without moving chanlder then im all for moving wilson. this is about landing us two superstars. the best case scenario is sending jj and wilson to minny for rubio and expiring, but kahn is too stubborn to realize he messed up in the draft and wont settle for wilson chandler, whose perfect for them.

  • harris

    Getting rid of Jeffries’ contract is not worth trading Chandler or
    Gallinari. Curry’s contract-yes, but not Jeffries’.

  • starksoakmase

    He earned it by reversing the trend of failed quick fixes of the Layden and Thomas years. I believe in his plan.

  • starksoakmase

    Interesting take. I think I would consider that. That is not a pure salary dump. That fills a need and creates cap space.

  • manners

    Good look. With CP3 down. Bringing Duhon to seve as a backup veteran presence makes a lot of sense to New Orleans. Plus Duhon is from the N.O,

  • SpaceMan

    i don’t know too much about the salary cap, but if his caphold could be 300% like this says

    http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q30

    of what he’s being paid this year, it would be impossible to sign lee and james.

  • manners

    I really hope that Donnie Walsh has a plan B cause if Lebron, Wade or Bosh don’t come I won’t accept another losing season. With our luck the 2011 draft will turn out to be the worst ever.

  • dino2008

    I really dont understand why most people wont move wilson chandler to move jeffries if that is the only way possible. listen, i love wilson but you have to give to get. the celtics gave away jefferson to land kg and look what it got them. i understand trading jj with chandler would be simply for salary dump but you WOULD get something via free agency and that is the ability to offer two near max deals. if you can sign joe johnson or bosh, the chance of lebron coming increases tremendously. please trade jeffries.

  • thebossandbenji76

    Yeah if your telling me, that they move Jefferies and it guarantees me the opportunity of signing Lebron and having a choice of signing LEE or Bosh, u have to sign for that, Lebron will sign here if he knows he can bring Bosh with him, no question. Your talking at least…Bosh at the 5, Hill at the 4, Gallo at the 3 and LBJ at the 1 or 2 and somebody else at the other spot LBJ is not.

  • starksoakmase

    I don’t think that means Lee is on the books for 24mil.
    That makes no sense.
    I think if he is signed for 9 mil., then that is 9 mil against the cap.
    But I can’t say that with any degree of certainty.

  • dino2008

    listen i want to win a championship and the only way we can in the new future is by signing two max free agents. making the playoffs and losing means nothing to me. if you sign joe johnson the chances of lebron coming increase obviousally.

  • dino2008

    even if it doesnt gurantee you lebron you could still land joe johnson and chris bosh……..

  • thebossandbenji76

    Yeah if your telling me, that they move Jefferies and it guarantees me the opportunity of signing Lebron and having a choice of signing LEE or Bosh, u have to sign for that, Lebron will sign here if he knows he can bring Bosh with him, no question. Your talking at least…Bosh at the 5, Hill at the 4, Gallo at the 3 and LBJ at the 1 or 2 and somebody else at the other spot LBJ is not. Cleveland don’t have the cap room to sing Lebron and bring in another all star which could tip the scale in the knicks favor if they find a way to trade Jefferies. Jefferies for mike james of the Wizards?

  • dino2008

    theres no way washington does that. u have to include a young a player in return at the minimum. im not sure washington is the best fit.

  • italian stallion

    Well, if we get another quality young player back then no one is untouchable, but as a pure salary dump IMO it would be a bad mistake. The only way it works out is if everything else works out perfectly and in all other cases it’s a disaster.

  • SilentJay

    Good to know that DW is aggressive. I imagine that he’s been with this attitude since the beginning of the season. After all, one the goals was ridding this team of JJ’s contract. So, good luck to Walsh and let’s hope that something good comes out of this.
    Let’s see what management is willing to give up to get the flexibility necessary to make 2010 possible, in terms of getting 2 top tier players. We know Curry’s not going anywhere, I’ve made my peace with that since it’ll give us even greater flexibility for 2011.
    I just hope it’s not too late for anything to happen. And to get something that can help us in return.

  • dino2008

    there is nothing in 2011….. we are NOT getting durant or melo. 2010 is our year.

  • bob go knicks

    gee whiz,maybe we can trade for that all-star ZACH RANDOLPH

  • italian stallion

    The reason some of us are against it is because the probability of successfully landing both Lebron and either Bosh/Lee/Johnson is very low and the downside if we fail is devastating. It sets us back another year.

    If we fail to sign Lebron, we won’t have Chandler. We’ll have about 6m in extra cap space that may or may not not net us a player as good as Chandler over the long haul. Even if it does, in 2011 Jeffries will be gone anyway and then we could sign ANOTHER player and still have Chandler.

    The entire plan hinges on signing Lebron. That’s nothing like signing Garnett. The Celtics KNEW they were getting Garnett.

  • bob go knicks

    you still think that after going 2 full seasons without a legit PG orSG or a center for that matter,that he is worthy of your trust?

  • dino2008

    i know that the celtics knew that. but this is a strectch but i know lbj’s chances of coming here increase if you can sign joe johnson or bosh. and i know that if lbj stays then we can still sign joe johnson and bosh.

  • thebossandbenji76

    Jefferies traded to a west contender? to the Jazz for Kyle Korver? To the Spurs for Bonner and Michael Finley? To the Lakers for Adam Morrison? I was thinking about this deal come off-season. The Sac Kings, this experiement of Evans and Martin is not going to work, Evans is more of a Sg then a PG, they need a SF, I wonder if a deal of Chandler and Eddy Curry(expiring contract come off-season) for Kevin Martin would work. Then if u do trade JJ for a expiring contract now and u are able to give LBJ the opportunity of bringing Bosh with him to NY, which, he can’t do in CLE, they don’t have the cap room, and we can’t do without trading JJ’s contract for an expiring, then u could have a starting 5 of LBJ, Martin, Gallo, Hill and Bosh, u’d have to sign for that.

  • dino2008

    i said it before i want a championship thats it. if we lose 60 games or make the playoffs and lose in the first round, it means the same thing to me… the only way at a championsip is to sign to max free agents…….

  • dino2008

    i doubt the kings would accept curry, but that is one hell of a team.

  • dino2008

    seriously. come on, we were all jumping for joy when donnie got rid of randolph. now lets hate on walsh because randolph is an all star.

  • italian stallion

    I don’t agree.

    As long as we have cap space, accumulate assets, and have some expiring contracts we will be in a position to make trades to teams that are looking to dump salaries and that have players that fill a specific need. We will also be in the game for any FAs. Too much is being made of 2010. It’s about more than 2010.

  • dino2008

    if it isnt about 2010 then why trade jamal crawford and zachhhh randolph ( all-star) when they expire in 2011.

  • starksoakmase

    If anything, it would have to be jj and chandler for martin.
    That is feasible. Doesn’t affect 2010 cap too much. i think about a mil or so.

  • starksoakmase

    Because there are a lot of FA’s in 2010 the knicks need to be in play for. but they are also players in 2011. All while keeping the young guys.

  • dino2008

    who is out there in 2011…… please tell me that is worth a max deal. we have no chance with durant and melo.

  • DaGawD_KnowLedge

    it seems like u guys an gals are not getting it.

    like i have said
    the outcome of donnie plans

    will be
    z-bo an craw
    just a bit younger but with the same skill level an different names..

    other than wade an lebron
    whos way better than craw an z-bo?

    no1 thats ya answer
    bosh is overrated
    joeJ is a little better than craw
    an amare is over he’s becoming an average player..

  • SilentJay

    If I’m not mistaken, 2011 isn’t really loaded. Durant will be a RFA (I’m not sure thought) and Melo can opt out. I haven’t really taken a look because I really want this 2010 plan to work and because it’s probably the best class we’ll see for a while..
    My perspective is take JJ out of the picture (most likely scenario seems to be sacraficing Nate and Chandler, depending on the proportions of the trade) and transforming this organization into a major player. Whether they’ll be maximum success is another question. The issue here is to get in the best situation possible in terms of flexibility. So if money is spent wisely, not only will the Knicks have options for the next Fagency, but in 2011 and 2012, though I’ve really put all my chips in this class. If that goes to hell, then that’s another story. Regrettably, we don’t have major picks for the draft to make up for any losses, so if DW can make something happen to get some picks (seriously doubtful), I’d be delighted. Now… Who goes? Who stays?

  • jesterbl

    I disagree with your assessment of the 2011 situation. I think if we swing and miss on lebron or wade this summer then we sign lee try and find a shotblocker and wait for 2011. I think melo would absolutely think about coming to new york. If he is still stuck in the lower half of the wests playoff teams and watching kobe’s lakers dominate he may relish the idea of coming to the east. He is also a cuse guy who has played in the garden, and knows its another level there. Cuse along with uconn are pretty much the nyc teams for the past 10 years, and melo knows the passion here. I
    if we miss on lebron or wade we have to keep our young core resign lee reasonably make some savvy 2010 moves and hope melo opts out. Say we even sign joe johnson and then make a move or two for a shotblocker and or a pg, then try for melo. ridnour/blake/miller type johnson at the two melo at the 3 gallo/hill/lee 4 5 lee/ athletic shot blocker ( anderson type maybe better) with chandler if he doesnt get traded, douglas and a few others off the bench. pretty solid consolation to me

  • BigDaddybluesman

    Nobody wants our leftover droppings……that’s what they are, NBA dung, crap. Jefferies, Hughes, Harrington, Curry, Milicic, Bender, Mobley for whatever reason are 7 pieces of turds nobody wants. I’m not talking about them as people, I don’t know them personally. As players they are a waste.

    They have nothing to offer any team other than expiring contracts or a warm body or some type of exemption. But none of them can play well enough to help a team win. They are all either broken or worthless as players. That’s 7 players out of a roster of 15. Add Do do duhon makes 8 and Nate. Nate and 8 a new reality show. And you wonder why we can’t win..LOL. A roster with 10 useless players and 2 rookies, One almost all star and 2 young player with upside, that’s what the Knicks are.

    We are stuck with this team as it is. There will be a few changes next year and maybe we will be better. A lot of those players will be gone. But who will replace them? So maybe we’ll be even worse, it’s possible. We don’t even have a #1 pick. Until we have gotten rid of Jefferies’ and Curry’s contracts we cannot do anything and nobody will take these players.

    Nobody will come here either. Maybe Joe Johnson, maybe. But nobody of any merit, there’s nothing here to offer them other than bright lights and a BIG city.

    I just cannot understand why people do not see the obvious. Unless Walsh does some magic tricks with the help of Stern there is nothing going to change.

    Isiah screwed this franchise up so bad it will takes years to undo it. Walsh made some headway but he ruined it by poor drafting and not being on the same page as his head coach with players. 3 steps ahead, 2 steps back.

    First off we do not have a point guard, we do not have a young point guard to develop. So we have to find a starting caliber PG and a backup. Where’s the money for that? And who are they? I don’t know, does anybody here?

    But someone please explain this to me. Listen closely I am very serious about this. I don’t understand and I am not being sarcastic. The whole idea of 7 seconds or less and what D’Antoni wants to do is run, run, run. This requires athletic, fast and mobile players who run like dears and have great stamina. They also must be able to shoot, especially 3 pointers as well as closer in and drive to the basket too. I understand that and there are many players in the NBA who fit that description, some do it better than others.

    Then why did we draft Gallo? He is not fast, he does not run like a dear. In fact he’s sort of slow footed and not very athletic. He looks more like an average to good NBA player with some upside but not the athletic running and jumping shooter/scorer D’Antoni needs for his system. Chandler fits that description and Jordan Hill fits that much more than Gallo. So why did we draft him? Because he’s from Italy?

    Drafting Gallo made no sense because in reality he does NOT fit the system D’Antoni wants to install here. He actually slows it down. So this to me was a major error on the part of both D’Ant and Walsh. Then to add to that a player who is perfect for the system they pass up in Jennings. Hill fits what D’Antoni needs for his system but we needed a point guard, desperately. Add to this Dlee who they thought was not a good fit turns out to be a perfect fit.

    Do these clowns know what they are doing……it doesn’t look like that to me, in retrospect. I know 20/20 hindsight stinks but these guys were supposed to come in here and bring this franchise back. All I see are a lot of mistakes and miscalculations, not shrewd player acquisition.

    I will say this till my dying day. If we had drafted Lopez and Jennings and signed any traditional defensive minded coach or Patrick Ewing or Mark Jackson we would be fighting for a playoff spot and still had a young team that can be built on. It would be a roster that any top notch free agent would want to come to. Lopez, Dlee, Chandler, Jennings and a competent SG is a very good starting lineup. A legit 7 foot center and Lee and Chandler playing in their correct positions. A bench of Harrington, Jefferies, Nate, Duhon maybe and some others. Now that looks a lot better to me and with Ewing for instance working with Lopez, we have something to build on. A more defense oriented team that may lack a little outside shooting but Nate and Harrington off the bench would supply that and Jeffeies although over paid would be used correctly as a defensive specialist off the bench.

    Would that be a team LeBron might want to come to?

    I know that’s 20/20 hindsight but in reality that’s what I wanted from jump street. Right now we have nothing but a bunch of mismatched garbage with no light at the end of the tunnel, oh yes there it is, a light, I see a light at the end of the tunnel, oh it’s a train coming straight for us!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • bob go knicks

    he sure hasent done anything to make me a “blind trust”

  • richiel1

    All this uproar over Wilson Chandler? Seriously? I know he’s young and homegrown, but he is not and will not be an above average starter on a championship team. Yes he is technically an ‘asset’, but when do we actually start turning ‘assets’ into a team than can win it all?

    Like others said, the only way to win a championship in this league is to have at least 1 superstar max-type-deal guy. The only team that didn’t is the Pistons, but they were the exceptions (plus Rasheed and Billups and even Rip at the time were pretty close). Does keeping Chandler really matter in the long run? Are there not a ton of others who can do the same things he does if not better? Young guys with potential are great, but the only ones you really need to keep are the ones who can turn into stars. What is the use of a young player if he grows up to be Andres Nocioni or Jamario Moon or Tony Allen?

    I don’t think anyone would surmise he has the talent to be a star caliber player, more of a solid role player. But is a solid role player really worth blocking a chance (yes it’s just a chance, but what else do we have) at 2 superstars? The point is you can always find a Wilson Chandler type through trades/FA/draft; what you can’t always get is one or two superstar players.

    Bottom line – cap space is far more important than a middling, average player who will never be the difference on a championship team. Yes I enjoy homegrown young players as much as the next guy (I wouldn’t trade Gallo because he actually has a chance to be a legitimately great player), but at some point you have to recognize which assets are better off being used to acquire players that will make that championship difference.

  • jgilch82

    Ray Allen

    for

    AL Buckets, Nate, And JJ

  • johneco

    For those willing to trade Chandler for nothing to dump Jeffries:

    Yes it’s a no-brainer if it allows us to get a top tier free agent.

    However, it’s a big gamble, what if we can’t sign anyone significant, have you thought of that?

    Then our roster next year will be the same as this year, minus
    Jeffries
    Chandler
    Hughes

    and maybe minus
    Duhon
    Harrington
    Lee
    Nate

    The worst case scenario could be a team way worse than even this year’s team.

  • Mucha

    We don’t have enough capspace for Lee and LeBron and there’s no backloading in a max contract.

  • Mucha

    Come on be consistent bob, you’re better than that.

  • Mucha

    The Knicks should try to get rid of Jared Jeffries or Eddy Curry with EXPIRING contracts first. And that includes the walking double-double, the All-Star, the doorman, “What did I do Mr. Referee???”, Avi or David Lee. Because we don’t even have enough capspace to retain his rights.

    Wilson Chandler shouldn’t be trade-bait at this point unless a young point guard is available (Ricky Rubio, Johnny Flynn or Jerryd Bayless for example). My major criticism of Donnie Walsh has always been the logjam at the 3/4 spot. Either you draft Gallo / trade Chandler or you draft Gordon / keep Chandler. By the way I disagree with the notion that Gallinari’s lack of quickness means he doesn’t fit the system.

  • jgilch82

    Galo is the PERFECT fit for this system as a 3/4 swingman …
    saying that he’s slow and doesnt fit is so idiotic ….

  • ScottD

    That is a great trade for both teams, especially if Allen would consider NY after we were to sign two max free agents.
    The only problem is the fact that were talking about a three for one trade, which means that Boston has to have existing roster space, or they have to create it.

    Interesting……..

  • Boots

    I still think that The Knicks may have to opt for partial relief of JJ’s salary as I’ve outlined before. He would be more palatable to a team if, in essence, they are only picking up half of his salary because they had their player, whom they trade for JJ, on the books anyway. Again, 2.5 m for a player with a year or two left and an expiring package of 3.5 for JJ, still gives the Knicks some relief.

    Add in serious pressure on Curry to accept a buy-out or don’t plan on playing or ever suiting up in his contract year, and there could be more space.

    I can see letting Douglas go, because as Mucha has made the point, “play him or trade him “(and they aren’t playing him), but otherwise, I don’t understand the desire to trade off most or all of the young talent for expirings and less than a 50/50 chanceof lnading LBJ.

    DW already outsmarted himself by drafting Hill and Dougas, assuming that Lee and Nate were leaving. Now, they still might be in June, and cheap young players will be needed. We sure aren’t getting help in the draft, so DW, don’t outsmart yourself again by flushing them out for diminishig hope.

  • trenttucker

    There will never be another free agent offseason like 2010. We’ve got to do everything we can to get space. I would send either Hill or Douglas if it meant getting rid of Jeffries’s contract.

    I would trade Chandler or Gallo (yes, I said it) if it mean getting rid of Jeffries’ and Curry’s contracts.

    Obviously, I would trade any of the expirings (Lee, etc.) in any of those deals.

    However, if we do all that and just end up resigning “avid Lee” (no D), I would be very, very frustrated. There is no great team in the league that succeeds with a player as poor on defense as Lee (or Duhon).

  • BobbyFromBK

    No one! That includes Gallo.

  • BobbyFromBK

    Z-Bo played outstanding and was a solid citizen while here in N.Y. There was no reason for trading him. If we land Lebron, he would have complimented him perfectly. To me, Walsh has blundered from day 1. He first mistake was hiring No ‘D’ Antoni.

  • joetheknick

    As farfetched as it seems, I am more convinced than ever that JJ will be traded by the deadline. Garnett is slow in recovering and the Celtics need a big like Jeffries. The Laker appear to be a little soft and need a big like Jeffries. Dallas, Phoenix and Utah each need a little help from a guy like Jeffries. Each team has limited needs and each has expiring contracts. Each time has players who are not contributing now. Aside from JJ, the Knicks have plenty of expiring contracts to help make a deal happen. Talk about trading our rookies just to move Jeffries is premature IMO. Patience. Deals will happen at the trade deadline. Always does.

  • itzyung1

    Iggy at the 2 Lebron at Small Forward Gallo at the 4 spot and Haywood at center..
    With Hill, Toney, Landry, and our two draft picks coming off the bench

  • MrFurious

    didnt z-bo throw a cup of water in nates face?

    Wasn’t he an offense killing black hole?

    yes.

    yes.

    short memories.

  • bmathews77

    What you guys think of these trade scenario’s I found on a site. Now if only someone would just take Jeffries…

    New York trades: Jared Jeffries (SF/PF) and Cuttino Mobley (SG)
    Sacramento trades: Kenny Thomas (SF/PF), Sergio Rodriguez (PG), Hilton Armstrong (C)

    New York trades: Jared Jeffries (SF/PF)
    San Antonio trades: Matt Bonner (PF), Michael Finley (SG) Ian Manhinmi (PF/C)

    New York sends: Jordan Hill (PF), Cuttino Mobley (SG), Wilson Chandler (SF/PF)
    Golden State trades: Anthony Randolph (PF), Anthony Morrow (SG), Speedy Claxton (PG) Devean George (SF), Raja Bell (SG)

  • itzyung1

    and Toney wouldn’t come off the bench he’d start..That lineup could compete with anybody by the way.

  • italian stallion

    Disagree on all counts.

    1. Wilson has been playing ABOVE AVERAGE for a starting NBA player over the last 2 months since he changed his style and got more aggressive. He is only 22 and will get better. If he gets to the free throw line a little more and improves his shot with time, he will be a borderline all-star averaging close to 20 PPG and defending the 2-4 on the other end. Since Dec he’s averaging around 17 ppg (last time I checked) and scoring at efficient rates.

    2. Perhaps he can be replaced, but we will eventually get the cap space from Jeffries in 2011 anyway and can sign a player then. Then we’ll still have Chandler plus whoever we can land when both Curry and Jeffries are gone.

    If someone could guarantee that we are going to be able sign either Wade or Lebron then I’m all for it.

    But let’s be real, the chances of signing Wade are ZERO. He like Miami, hates the cold, and Miami has the cap space to sign a top player and keep him happy. ZERO ZERO ZERO

  • joetheknick

    They are all great but are any of these real teams in serious discussions with one another about any of these ideas or are they just dreams that will never come true? There is a difference!!!

  • JASONHAYES

    Im gonna be quite honest and say I want marbury back! D’antoni’s gay love affair with duhon has to stop!!! He should have never bannished Steph for du du hon. Steph is 100x better than Duhon would ever be in his life. As you can see with the Larry Hughes situation, there is some validity to steph’s arguement about D’antoni’s ways. Lets be honest here, im not a fan of D’antoni as a person, but as a coach I find myself giving him a pass because of his popularity, and today it ends. He must be held accountable for how he treats and communicates with his employees. No one wants to go to work and be uncertain of what their role is. Real men let it be known where they stand!

  • italian stallion

    I agree that the team needs super stars, but if we don’t land Lebron we WILL NOT land Johnson and/or Bosh. I think the chances of either alone are close to zero. Neither really wants to be the top dog here because we couldn’t win with just one of them. Besides, I don’t think Johnson is worth anywhere near a Max contract anyway.

    IMO the best approach is to try to trade Jeffries now alone or with Nate. If it can’t be done, we could always buy out a portion of his contract and Curry’s contract and save a few more million.

    Then we should try to sign Lebron and let him know that if we don’t sign another top player in 2010, there will be enough room for a max contract in 2011 anyway. So it would one year of development with Chandler, Gallo, Hill, Douglas (and maybe Lee) and then go for the gold in 2011.

    If we fail in signing Lebron, we resign Lee, continue developing Chandler, Gallo, Hill, and Douglas and add selectively with all that cap space to make us better. Then over time we continue to try add and improve with trades and picks.

  • JASONHAYES

    My first rant on the coach ever!

  • Mucha

    The fact that Duhon’s still playing = Debatable. He plays too much that’s for sure.

    But Larry Hughes is a scrub and a knucklehead – he would be a great side-kick for Marbury in China though! This guy is a disgrace, period.

  • Jack D

    Zbo played well but we weren’t going far with him. Plus we wouldn’t be able to sign lebron if we still have zbo.

    and stop hating on d’antoni. jesus christ, what can you expect from him, to coach a team without any stars into the playoffs? Be realistic. And your just following the sterotype that he doesn’t preach defense because all of his teams were great offensively. But he DOES emphasize D.

  • Mucha

    *Debatable = Questionable

    He’s not the GM though.

  • Jack D

    i wish curry could just opt of of his last year and everyone can donate money to him, similar to the haiti fund. i mean, having him on our roster IS a disaster….

  • Jack D

    you’ll be done with the franchize?? Shows what true fan you are..i bet you stopped watching them the past decade, when at one point Lee Nailon was their go-to guy.

  • Jack D

    id be more than happy with lebron and a resigned lee. then wait till 2011.

  • Mucha

    The Knicks need Jerryd Bayless, Johnny Flynn or Ricky Rubio.

    And Donnie Walsh has enough assets to make something happen, he’ll have to especially if nobody’s willing to take Jeffries. We need a young guard.

  • Jack D

    Just read Mucha’s comment… nevermind on that.

  • Mucha

    LMFAO

  • Jack D

    None has spoken about this, but wouldn’t it be really entertaining to see lebron and nate playing together??

  • young hova

    The problem isn’t really having the talent so much as the perception of talent. Nobody in the league thinks we have viable assets minus Gallo (and he isn’t a major asset). Lee is going to be a free agent so teams won’t give up much for him since they don’t think they will keep him. It really doesn’t matter what we think or that we know that Chandler would be perfect for Minnesota, because Kahn believes we have nothing (he is also a frickin moron) and since he and most others in the league think we have nothing there isn’t much we can do

  • Sergio

    Just call the Lakers and offer Jared Jeffries for Adam Morrison.

  • BigDaddybluesman

    No he’s slow and he does not fit the system. I’m not an idiot the idiots are the people who run MSG and the Knicks. The people who call people who know what they are talking about idiots, are moronic idiots.

  • traps9

    That’s a (sign-and-) trade for the summer when Curry’s an expiring, not now.

  • BigDaddybluesman

    I think I did that one on the trade machine at ESPN and it worked.

    Nobody wants our players they are over priced and they suck.

    Unless Stern steps in and helps the Knicks nobody will. They did last year and they won’t now because everybody is looking to 2010 free agents like we are and nobody wants to help us. Why should they?

  • joetheknick

    Aree the team needs a point guard. Might have to give up David Lee’s expiring contract to get Bayless or Flynn or Rubio. If we are going to lose Lee anyway, it might as well be now.

  • x-man

    “The other day at practice, Walsh was overheard telling Hughes that he wanted him here, but the relationship between player and coach has seemingly reached the point of no return.”

    lmao!

    Hey, Tommy Dee, do you think D’Antoni made that statement so reporters could hear? lol

    That would be typical of this coach to play to the media to get the word out that he is for Hughes being here when he knows that is totally opposite of what he truly wants. I’m sure Stephen Marbury is somewhere smiling and using the f-bombs when he read that quote.

    this coach seems to be the ideal weasel! Wouldn’t one way to convince Hughes that he wanted him here would be the following:

    – Show me in practice Hughes that you will work hard, shut your mouth and be better on the floor than Duhon! Then all Hughes had to do was show up for practice ,and not say a word and he’s now the starting pt guard! lol

    I’ve played for coaches who are just snakes and this coach seems like one too!

  • x-man

    I’m telling ya folks, if we land Bosh without a Lebron or Wade, you will be killing Bosh for the next X number of years.

    Bosh is a sidekick or complimentary player at best! Bosh and Johnson will not get us to contend! Maybe we can get Josh Smith instead of Johnson and call them JoshBosh!

    Wade and LBJ are real game changers! JoshBosh is kidding around!

  • SpaceMan

    yeah.

  • SpaceMan

    I’m guessing since his deal is a byc, that it’s half that.

  • x-man

    I hear ya but there a difference somewhat between Z-bo in Memphis and what he did here. Z-bo is not taking 3s in Memphis. while a Knick, Z-bo would hoist up perimeter shots like no other.

    Z-bo still hogs the ball at times but he does work hard underneath the rim each game. Z-bo just needed a coach to tell him where he needs to be on the court!

  • SpaceMan

    gallinari is not suited to be this teams small forward in the long run.people need to understand.he is slow for small forward.most of the nba athletic freaks play at small forward the more he plays there the more it will be evident.if he is going to be the pf of the future like donnie said, than hill and lee need to get moved.

  • starksoakmase

    of course there is. Look at Rashad Lewis’ contract.

  • SilentJay

    No way Walsh sees it that way. The logical perspective is for no one to be untouchable, but my guess is that as a GM, he looks to the future and sees Gallo as a possible star. I don’t care to speculate on that particular notion since it’s a bit too early to think like that. For example, what would be of Chandler if he kept improving? Hill for matter? Would that make them indispensable as well?
    From what I get Chandler most likely will be used in a trade that involves JJ (as far as rumors go). With that train of logic, why shouldn’t Gallo be put on the same wagon?

  • trenttucker

    Enough with the Hughes apologists on this site. I liked him in December, but noticed that as soon as he got entrenched in the rotation, he started doing stupid Larry Hughes things again. His last day in the rotation, he threw a crosscourt pass into the stands. I was like “alright, that’s okay.” Later in that game, he made the same pass, into the stands, and I said to myself “take him out.” D’Antoni pulled him immediately, and except for a few games in late Jan. he hasn’t been in the rotation ever since.

    His effort and effectiveness on defense also started to wane once he got comfortable. In Charlotte, Raymond Felton broke his ankles on two consecutive drives in the final minute to win a game. Now, I like Felton, but Larry Hughes has got to stay in front of him at least one out of two times.

    And then Hughes went to the media. He’s very talented, but he’s a jerk. He doesn’t want to help the Knicks win, he just wants a new contract. And he has no excuse. In Harrington’s defense, Al is a moron (I mean that clinically — he seems to have an extremely low IQ). He doesn’t know better. Nate is psychologically, mentally, and emotionally underdeveloped. Those guys have real excuses.

    Larry Hughes is actually a fairly smart guy. But there is a reason no team has ever wanted to keep him, except the St. Lunatics (Nelly’s crew). He’s a cancer.

  • gbaked

    and he could care less what you think.

  • gbaked

    i agree with you about the overload of forwards with LBJ as the goal, but there are some caveats to that.

    Chandler has been starting at the 2 for a while now. Hypothetically, if we were to get bosh and LBJ our lineup would be

    pg
    chandler
    LBJ
    Gallo
    Bosh

    Which is both a small and large lineup. Small in that Gallo is a small PF (Hill will get lots of burn there too) and big in Chandler as a SG.

    Mike D’s rotation seems to rely on the athletic swing man and is not so stuck in the old positions. So it could work.

  • gbaked

    i know. i love these guys that say things like I am going to give up on this franchise if we dont get LBJ/Wade. Like the years of IT/Layden didnt make you go away, but this year is.

  • gbaked

    I agree 100%

    although after watching bosh this year, if we end this offseason with just him and go after melo the following year its very doable.

    Bosh is still very young.

  • BigDaddybluesman

    Keep drinking the kool aid.

  • BigDaddybluesman

    You should he makes more sense then you.

  • gbaked

    sigh.

    “Do these clowns know what they are doing……it doesn’t look like that to me, in retrospect.”

    not even gonna bother to respond to this long rant of dumbness.

  • SpaceMan

    I’m not wowed by anybody on this team.even he has lost some of his luster.if i could, i’d deal lee and gallo for our first round pick back and i’d tank like the army for john wall.whether people think that is way too much for that pick back or not doesn’t matter much to me.lee is going to be a free agent, and more than likely he won’t be re-signed.and gallinari for all his ability, will probably never be what we need, which is a superstar, which john wall could be.the knicks have won only 7 more games than minn, who has the 2nd worst record in the nba.the quicker it happens the better.i say make that deal, play nate harrington and curry, and let them lotto balls roll.

  • BigDaddybluesman

    Hughes is a nut case. I have seen him play very good and then make such moronic stupid plays even a rookie would be embarrassed about.

    No normal human being would be so erratic with his play. His play borders on schizophrenia.

    When they show close ups of the guy he looks like a nut. The eyes don’t lie and his eyes have the look of an emotionally disturbed person.

    In Duhon’s case his eye’s look like the eye’s of an alcoholic.

  • BiggieSmalls

    Lee’s cap hold is 150% of his last year

  • starksoakmase

    First off, Jennings has come down to earth. You are still hung up on the 50 point game.

    Gallo is what 20? 21? And he does fit the system once the knicks get a PG because he will have some space to hit the 3 in transition. Was Q-rich that athletic when he flourished in Phoenix?

    If the knicks still suck next year, then you have a legit gripe. It’s about 2010 and to a lesser extent 2011. If the knicks get LBJ they can trade Chandler for a very good player. either a big, or a PG. I am loving Collison in NO. the y will need a 3 when Peja is gone. Chandler, CP3, Okafor, West. That fits perfectly.

    Give Donnie a chance.

  • Knicks4life

    I thought WALSH made the statement that was overheard. Why are you blaming D’Antoni?

  • ds2488

    are you guys serious? Thats all I have to say.

  • ds2488

    what are you talking about BigDaddyBluesMan? Gallo was drafted to be a power forward. he is absolutely perfect for this system, which is based on spreading the floor.

  • ds2488

    Yes, can we stop with the Hughes apologists on here. Its getting ridiculous: You guys have enough arguments against Dantoni that you don’t need to defend a cancer such as Larry Hughes to go after him. Hughes is as unprofessional as they come, and while he was very useful earlier in the year he stopped being that as soon as he started going 1 on 5 every possession.

  • bmathews77

    They should tell Larry Hughes to stay home and get Eddy Curry can keep him company.

  • BluEandOrange

    I revised my Donnie Walsh plan after several editions. Version 2.0 goes as follows:

    Move 1: Lee, Douglas, and Bender to the Blazers for Outlaw, Howard, Bayless, and a 2010 2nd Rd Pick

    The Knicks finally have their young PG while the Blazers obtain the front court players they’ve been looking for since Oden and the Vanilla Godzilla went down in Lee and Bender.

    Move 2: Trade Curry, Chandler, Hill, Robinson, the Knicks 2010 2nd Rd Pick and the Blazers 2010 2nd Rd Pick to the Kings for Kenny Thomas, Hawes, Armstrong, and Ime Udoka.

    The Kings really only lose Spencer Hawes here. Curry’s contract for next season is a lot to take in return, but the contract is appeased by the inclusion of Chandler and Hill help them vastly improve their roster for next season. A starting lineup of Evans, Martin, Chandler, Hill, and Thompson with Nate as the 6th man would enliven Acro Arena.

    Jeffries gone. Curry gone. And its a fresh start for the Knicks. Bayless, Gallo, and Hawes become the 3 core pieces of the future filling the PG, SF but eventually PF, and Center roles. Not to mention those 3 players would be the only commitments the Knicks would have in the coming offseason. Possibly sign a Joe Johnson/Bosh in the offseason and you have a contender in 2010-2011.

    If the Knicks can somehow convince 2 stars to come to New York, for around $17 MM-$20 MM each, the Knicks could use the Mid-Level Exception to sign a veteran 6th man (Dare I say bring back Al Harrington?) then use the rest of the cap space and the Bi-Annual Exception to fill out the roster with summer camp invitees.

    Done and done.

  • BluEandOrange

    forgot to mention Move 3: Trade Jeffries and Landry to the Spurs for Bonner, Finley, and Roger Mason Jr.

    The Knicks take an extra $2 MM here to appease the Spurs for taking back Jeffries salary for next season.

  • trenttucker

    Not done nor done.

    1) Neither of the teams would do those deals.

    2) Neither of your deals actually trade away Jared Jeffries.

    3) You don’t get a mid level exception when you are under the cap on July 1.

  • BigDaddybluesman

    Yes I agree you must be pretty dumb.

  • HaS

    “And your just following the sterotype that he doesn’t preach defense because all of his teams were great offensively. But he DOES emphasize D.”

    If “following the stereotype” = watching the games and the performances on the floor this season and last then yeah I’m guilty.

  • HaS

    If by “sense” you mean cents, yea you’re right.

    Other than that, he hasn’t done anything since November last year. Which is trade 2 players who both were traded again (proving they weren’t immovable).

  • BigDaddybluesman

    A lot of ifs……too many.

    You are playing some video game, what makes you think those players are coming here. Come down to reality child……it’s not a video game it’s a real life billion dollar business run by hardcore businessmen.

    It’s about making money not winning. As long as the seats are filled with people that’s all that counts to these guys. They are owners and do not know about basketball, they know business.

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  • BluEandOrange

    Care to elaborate Chad Ford?

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