Nate to Start Over Duhon

i thought we all agreed that Nate wasnt a point guard.

Nate Robinson still has to involve his teammates a little bit more, and I’m not talking about David Lee and Al Harrington.

But he deserves to start. We’ll see how Kryptonate responds.

N8 deserves to get a chance to start he waited patiently on the bench and worked hard to get better and you can see he’s trying to play the system better,plus he has speed which Duhon does not have.N8 has alot of talent and we can only hope the coach can harness it.Gallo has to shoot more ,we have to be able to get him open looks.

He isn’t. Neither is Duhon.

I don’t think he’s going to play a traditional PG role, though he will probably bring the ball up a lot. They will probably get into their sets from the high post through Lee and others, probably Hughes, and take a PG by committee approach. Though on occasion Nate’s speed and slight of hand make him great at setting up the fast break. Hopefully this works out, couldn’t be any worse than losing to Washington and Minny back-to-back.

it’s about time, and unfortunate that the coach is the last person in new york to realize it. i don’t expect a miraculous run to the playoffs, but at least he gives them a better chance to win on any given night.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64462/20100204/brown_eager_to_trade_augustin_atone_for_2008_draft/

is he really that bad??

DJ’s been playing at a Duhon type level this year and once your in Brown’s doghouse, the only way out is out the door.

I’ll still take him for JJ & whatever expiring players the Bobcats need to send our way to make the salaries work

love the use of the word “atone”! I’ll take him in if it means getting rid of salary…

I also like nate at the point for now, he’s way more aggressive than du-du on both ends of the floor…

I wish that TOMMY DEE would have posted this thread. He needs to answer why does it take his BUDDY, coach D”Antoni 48 games to figure this out. 48!, 48!, 48!, i repeat FORTY MOTHERBLANKIN EIGHT!!! This coach is a complete idiot and yet TOMMY DEE supports him on every thread. The Marbury drama, Nate drama and Hughes drama could all have been avoided if DAntoni would open his mouth and communicate. What excuse are you going to give DAntoni for this blunder TOMMY DEE? Hughes was playing bad on offense but he was playing good defense prior to his benching. Duhon has been bad on offense and defense for the entire season and DAntoni stayed with him. Because he is our only PG??? Guess what? Hughes is the only SG we have on this team. TOMMY DEE, the next time D’Antoni gets you those front row seats at the Garden please let me tag along. I can be a YES MAN too. 48 games of Duhon. R U NUTS!!!

Obviously MD caught a read of my post a week or so ago when I said when N8 come back from his injury that MD should supplant Duhon for him. Not only Duhon but also apparently his skills have hit the proverbial wall. I don’t even believe he’s a worthy back to run MD’s system. With my man N8 the Knicks are going to run, yeah he may make some mistakes running the offense especially at the start of games, and turn the ball over more times than we might like, but at least from the start of every game the other teams are going to have someone attacking, someone to keep them on their heels, and we wii have someone leading the Knicks who we know have a heart, a strong will to win, and we know definitely will leave it all on the floor! My opinion on MD is that he can coach, as you said RENE “N8 has alot of talent and we can only hope the coach can harness it”, I also want to see MD harness N8′s talent and do what all the Knicks coaches before him couldn’t do “MAKE N8 A scoring PG!!!”

This is a planned move where Nate will increase his trade value before the trade deadline.

I would take Augustine as well but he’s not the answer.

Hey Blackwood, I just saw your response from 2 posts ago.

Your not immune to my “gangsta slick talk” and regardless of what you say…you are my son here on this blog.

You and the other 2 stooges (Has and Bob) need to realize that loll.

Just kidding but all jokes aside…..we all want the same thing and that’s for the Knicks to be good.

If Nate can provide that then I’m all with it but don’t come on this blog after a horrible game by Nate and bash him all crazy after you’ve been slurping him. That’s not a good look.

Ummmm

Shut up!!

Damn, I guess I’m an “SOB” after all.

“The Marbury drama, Nate drama and Hughes drama”

The Marc Berman drama – FIXED.

Marbury and Hughes = DISGRACEFUL

Stockholm Syndrome?

I am all for Nate finally starting, he isn’t the best man for the job but he is the best on our roster. Duhon this year, has been more up and down than a hooker. Nate provides the spark that this team needs but doesn’t have the leadership to run the point and needs dish it off sometimes.

LOL….Good post!!!

No your not a “SOB”..well sometimes you can be one. Like I said, we all want to see the Knicks in the same place but I get sick and tired of certain people throwing nonsense out there and then if that’s not enough, they try to make other people believe the nonsense.

For example..that trade in the other post that would send Lee to Sacramento….I mean come on.

Everybody here knows he wouldn’t accept that trade.

I like Nate a lot, and this idea of starting him may work…. but I nobody seems to remember just the game before against Minny, Nate was 1-10 with 1 assist to 2 turnovers. He runs hot and cold as anyone in the league, no guarantee this makes us any more consistent. You lose surge of explosiveness when he enters the game off the bench as well.

If anything, he has the supporting cast to pull this off. David Lee is leading the league for FC in assists. Larry Hughes is an excellent penetrate and dish guy. Jeffries, Gallinari, and Chandler all move the ball well when the offense is flowing.

We have 2 tough but winnable games – Sacramento and Milwaukee (with Cleveland in there) lets see how we look in a week!

Why does tommy need to answer for D’Antoni’s coaching decisions and player PT?

Beyond that, I can give you the short answer to what the robinson PG experiment will be…more of the same. Consistent inconsistency and we still end up with 30-35 wins. No playoffs.

Robinson won’t change a thing.

lol! Tommy Dee is somewhere holding his Vermont Teddy Bear very close.

You’re really shaking up the Donnie Nest, DatNYer! DVJ and his other twin, CircleLimit4 will surely come out after ya!

Well, after Kwame Brown showed the entire NBA what Brown could could do for them, the bobcats decided to rely on the other Brown’s opinion rather than MJ.

Too bad though! Lopez should have been the guy.

I hear ya but dude, save your breath because we ain’t going anywhere this year. If we can get this team to play smarter, harder and give our youths some PT, that is a win in itself.

The entire team has made other plans after Apr 14tth. So should we!

Lmao your a funny dude DVJ…Yesterdays spat aside you are right that the N8 move serves to goals raising his value (hopefully) before the deadline and upgrading the scoring output and effectiveness at the PG spot.

That being said what are the real option at PG by the deadline as well as moving ahead? While DVJ shot down my expansion of fellow blogger trade proposal lol I think Sergio Rodriguez would help make MD system run the way he likes as far as his court vision and ability to get the ball to the right guy at the right time.

I hate to say it… I still believe this team can make the playoffs. The talent is there, better than Milwaukee, and as good as Chicago. Maybe the hole is too big, but I’m still rooting for it.

I hear aya and it would be nice. But we aren’t going anywhere int he playoffs even if we limped into the 8th seed by some means.

To me, it only makes sense if we took this precious moment and made sure we as a team as doing the basics and developing out youths to see who stays and who should be moved. It’s about next year and if we lose that fact, we will be in trouble again.

However, if playing our youth can get us that 8th spot, it would be a great thing!

I can see you believe in unicorns and Easter bunnies too so I don’t wanna get upset. I’m rooting for them too!

Finally. The one thing I am worried about most with Nate starting is that it means he will be playing a lot of minutes which means him and Chucketts will be on the court together for a long period of time. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that this is a recipe for Gallo and Wilson to not touch the bball for long stretches and I think it will probably negatively impact their play from now on. I would like to see Nate develop some pg skills if at all possible..he can break down most defenses and actually makes teams have to worry about him in the pick and roll. If he would look to dish out when he drives to the hoop I think he could get Gallo and others a lot of open looks, unlike Chris Duhon.

DVJ your not explaining why he would not play there for the rest of this season? As I said I respect you disagreeing thats cool but all your saying is “we all know Lee wont go there” Do we? Does he call you a few times a week to fill you in on his inner most thoughts and feelings? lol The Kings are a better team then we are they are legit in the playoff race in there division 5 games out of first have a R.O.Y candidate at the Point A legit center in Hawes a good wing duo to be honest if you look at that starting 5 with Lee on it and they would be a problem!! Did you see them last night against the Spurs? Evan went nutz!! and how can having a chance to go to a team for half a season who could make the playoffs with you on it be a bad look for him? The knicks have no real shot while the kings when you see where there positioned have a much better chance as well as give him a half a season to play next to Evans and make a real second half push giving him a great shot to upgrade his value in the off season. While what we would get in return would not hurt them at all while upgrading our PG spot and giving us a good cheap legit center prospect. So pleaseeee give a rebuttal with facts and details as to why it would not work or be less appealing to Lee who is already on a losing team?

DVJ and Circle are enjoying those front row seats with TOMMY DEE thats why. LOL

Can I be a YES MAN too? i want to sit in the front row with TOMMY, circle and DJV or DVJ and cheer for my great coach.

I swear that if Coach D’Antoni came out with a pair of underwear that these guys would be the first on line to buy them.

Ummmm
is that the best you can respond with DVJ

go put on your D’Antoni underwear and got to your room and take a NAP!

If the Easter Bunny can play PG then I’ll believe in him…

BTW, I’m with you on playing the youth. But I also think we the only way to cure this “loser-ish” attitude the team has developed is to start winning.

Why does tommy need to answer for D’Antoni’s coaching decisions and player PT?

because Tommy Dee has supported this coach on numerous occasions. I think Tommy is married into the D’Antoni family.

As for the robinson experiment, I will settle for that it is better than going through FORTY FREAKIN EIGHT games of DUHON!

no matter how they scramble the line-up,this team still has no talent,and will continue to flounder.how about trading for a PG,who is better than Duhon or Nate,maybe then we can win a few

Guess you didn’t get it.

“Your not immune to my “gangsta slick talk” and regardless of what you say…you are my son here on this blog.
You and the other 2 stooges (Has and Bob) need to realize that loll.”

If I’m your son that would make me a… never mind.

Being that i havent spoken to David Lee,i do not know if he would accept a trade to SAC>or not.how would i know that?.I for one have never slurped NATE,i think that prick should still be on the Knicks bench.youll see! he’ll win the first game …maybe two,then hell personally lose the next 4 due to lack of basketball smarts.He has got to be the most stupid player on the Kncks roster.Pass the ball to Lee,maybe the other black hole Harrington,but the rest of the team wont see it.Like i said…get a PG ..solve this simple problem….2 years with only one PG,is one of the dumbest things ive ever seen ,a supposedly professional gm and coach ever do.

True, thats the one thing I worry about Nate too. Taking too many shots away from Chandler and Gallinari. But I still like that Duhon will not start. It was a long time coming. Granted Nate is not the long term answer but it would be good to let him try to run the team a little because he’s at least aggressive, not like Duhon. I’d also want to see Toney Douglas get some playing time behind him so he can learn some point guard duties while he’s still a fresh young player in the league.

a sonofabitch!

Nate is a good temporary solution but he wont do good at that position long term – full time with Duhon as his back up. The knicks still need to get a pg that is still on thier rookie contract going into next season. It just makes sense to me to move one our abundance of fowards that are on thier rookie contract for a pg . Good game by Nate .

It really just speaks to how bad Duhon is that anyone is excited about this. We are going from a terrible point guard (Duhon is a poor man’s Charlie Ward — think about that) to a very bad point guard. For every decent game Nate has, he will have several stinkers. And even in his “good” games,l guys like Gallo and Chandler won’t get the ball enough. If Hughes wasn’t such a jerk who stopped playing hard once he got the coach’s confidence, he would be a better solution.

Ugh. Please Portland, give us Steve Blake for Jared Jeffries…

I agree with you what you said about D’Antoni but not Tommy Dee. It’s not his job to do that, it’s OUR job to do that. So cut Tommy a break here and keep hammering the truth to the kool aid drinkers like I try to do.

The guy walks a very thin line especially with MSG and Dolan. If he wants to be what he is obviously shooting for he must be a company man. I don’t blame him for that, that is how you get a head and find your place in life. So do whatever you have to Tommy.

But lets keep hammering the truth home, as long as we do that maybe people will see it and then maybe things will change. As long as you look into the arena and see the seats filled, nothing will change. They will keep bullshitting the fans like they have been doing for years. And this team will still suck and nothing will change.

It’s all about money………..

Buyout Milicic’s contract and get a point guard from the NBDL on a 10 day contract. There’s a few guys there with good assist/turnover ratio’s that can at the minimum be given a chance in practice with the Knicks. They may or may not make it with the Knicks but at least try.

Blackwood- The Kings have a worse record than we do. They are already out of the playoff race. What are you talking about?

Everyone is basing their assumptions of Nate as a backup or sixth man, and carrying that concept to presume that Nate will act the same way.

Who knows if Nate lives up to the billing as a PG and starts to play as one? Maybe finally being inserted to the starting lineup as the starting PG will change his mentality. We’ll find out in these upcoming games.

There are a few idiosyncrasies of Nate that could translate well into the PG game. He has the speed which will allow him to blow past his man and this could develop into a strong pick and roll game. N8 also likes to have the ball in his hands and having a confident PG on the floor such as Shake-n-Bake could foster a offensive orientation for this team. Lee won’t have to always go to the top of the key to receive the ball from the PG, N8 can now facilitate the offense on his own and Lee can stick to learning how to play defense instead of trying to coordinate the offense.

Moving N8 could prove to be a very valuable move for the Knicks, hopefully one that leads to the playoffs.

Nate Robinson, Jared Jeffries, Marcus Landry (or just Cash)

to Dallas for

Josh Howard

Dallas gets scoring from the guard spot off the bench and a versatile defender in JJ. Knicks clear cap space and get an intriguing player who they can think about resigning as glue for the future.

first, don’t knock Tommy Dee. This is HIS blog, and he can write whatever he wants. If you don’t like it, read about the Knicks elsewhere. No reason to trash on another person because you don’t agree with their opinion.

With that out of the way, I fully agree with you about Duhon. He is just a pain to even watch on the court. He has been on a steady decline since the all-star break last season. He should have been done running the point as a starter in November. Nate can at least beat his defender and get to the hoop to make something happen. Hopefully Nate can keep his cool, and help us start winning on a more consistent basis.

Dallas would never do that; especially when they have limited cap and need to focus on re-signing nowitzki soon…

Josh Howard is a clown. see below.

1) http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3368139

2) http://nba.fanhouse.com/2008/09/16/josh-howard-isnt-about-celebrating-the-star-spangled-banner/

Good ballplayer, bad attitude, bad American. pass.

ESPN is reporting that the nets are more or less in rebuilding mode and are getting rid of players; one being devin harris (since they feel like they’ll end up getting john wall anyways). But the only way they would do that probably is if they got a star back like amare per se. So, I came up with the following trade that won’t happen but it seems practical:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhoqxw5

Nets: Nate, JJ, and Amare
Knicks: Devin, B. Simmons, C. Lee
Suns: Harrington, D-Lee, TD, and J. Boone

The suns only give up amare and get a nice amount of players back. Maybe we throw in a 2nd if people feel it is unbalanced. The nets get amare and some life in nate to a otherwise “lifeless” team and D in jeffries; who’s contract they can afford with no problem. We get devin who becomes our point and then can still afford a max over the summer. Also get a bright spot in c. lee. It’s arguable if the nets would get rid of both c.lee and devin for amare, nate, and jj; but even if we didn’t get lee, i’d still take devin at our players’ expense due to jj’s contract and the need for a point. Only problem from our end is that we’re left with limited options for forward/center; however, other trades can still be made or we can start hill.

Our starting lineup after the trade deadline if we did no other trades could be something like:
Devin, C-Lee, Gallo, Wilson (back to the 4 like last year), and hill; bender, duhon off of the bench. We wouldn’t win a lot of games, but we’d have a nice base for a superstar in the off-season. Again, this might be a little farfetched and obviously it won’t happen, but I think that if devin is on the block, we gotta push for him barring we get rid of jj first (devin has a long-term deal at over 8+ a year)

I have been saying ever since Nate came back from the benching that he has been playing much more controlled… much more like a PG.

Still sometimes he becomes old nate and loses control, and you can’t have someone like that as your full-time PG, but i really think he has come a long way this year after the benching, and obviously given the state of duhon’s “game”, it’s definitely worth a try.

he makes things happen. When he has the ball in his hands, you get that feeling that something good is going to happen… You never get that with duhon.

But let’s not go crazy saying this should have been done a long time ago etc…. Nate has a lot of really, really bad games, but as soon as he has one good one (like the 41 points on his return) everyone starts going crazy saying he should have been in all along; but then he has 5 bad games in a row.

All i’m saying is it makes sense to throw him in and let him either sink or swim… it’s time.

You’re overlooking several HUGE intangible aspects here.

Like the Mets and Yankees, why in the blue hell would the Nets want Devin Harris and Courtney Lee stay in the metropolitan area? If Harris and Lee become stars in the city, wouldn’t that be a great feeling for the Nets? Next thing you know, LeBron comes to NY and the Nets don’t have a chance in the Eastern Conference anymore.

You have to take into account these things with trades.

Secondly, why in the world would Stoudemire want to come to NJ? Lets see: First, the Nets are in rebuilding mode, obviously. Second, Amare does not have as many years left in his career after his microfracture knee surgery. LeBron and Bosh want to go where they will win, but Amare’s situation is more dire because of the injury he experienced.
Third, the Nets are crap. Real crap. Why would anyone want to be in a stinky swamp with a team that matches the smell?

And this trade makes no sense at all for the Suns, whatsoever. If Kerr is to convince the Nash that the team is worth it, he will do his best to acquire top talent for Stoudemire. Toney Douglas is not exactly the type of prospect the Suns have at the top of their wish list. Harrington and Lee are expiring’s with no guarantee of resigning. And Boone is garbage.

You need to think more about how trades work for all teams.

it’s all part of the trading plan

nate should of been starting an mayb his trade value would of been higher..