Recap: Cavs 113 Knicks 106

Jared Jeffries continues to look great, and Jordan Hill is showing flashes. I’ll take the positives and just let out a big sigh at the 4-11 part.

Like Sam Cook would say: “change gonna come”.

For the young cats who only listen to Hip hop, broaden your horizons:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQU4torUz-Q

I’ll say it again: I feel so sad for Duhon, in a game where his stats aren’t bad at all he’ll still be villianized for that ill-advised 3 attempt. I’m hearing something about Hughes being hurt, but Duhon down the stretch instead of Hughes is a bit questionable.

Good game tonight. Knicks showed fight at the end,

Nate tried to take over but it just wasn’t enough.

Lee may be hurt.

I was thinking the same thing about Jeffries. He is looking a lot more comforatable with his offensive game. He was taking people off of the dribble and hit a few jumpers. He hit a 3 that didn’t beat the shot clock and hit another jumper that was waived off.

I was reading how the Kings are looking for size. We all know that the Mavs want Kevin Martin, who hasn’t played well with Evans. How about this deal that works under the cap:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yz7fezx

Gives the Kings some size with Lee and Jeffries, gets the Mavs Martin, and gets the Knicks some cap relief and Josh Howard as a potential smaller piece that is expiring as well as Barea to run the point. Perhaps Dallas can throw in a draft pick to sweeten the deal for the Kings.

I’m glad Jordan Hill played well tonight. But his most impressive game as a knick was 8 pts, 0 rebounds, 0 assists and 0 blocks? That also says something to me…it says that he hasn’t been very good at all. Let’s hope he continues to improve. He has a long way to go, but there is potental.

good game tonight?…i guess you missed the first quarter

Clyde always manages to put a positive spin on a bad game.

another saturday night and i aint got nobody,i got some money cuz i just got paid

My observations from the game (this one is short one);

- Must point out again that benching Duhon is the smart decition but I think he should not be getting ONE MINUTE in the fourth quarter. I know that today he played decent (to his standards) in his minutes but I think that any other player in the rotation would be able to contribute more than him.

- LBJ is just amazing. I strongly believe that he is coming here and when he does the Cavs will struggle to be a .500 team. Like everyone says, he is that good!!! That is why I don’t understand this fixation about bringing another “max player” with him after this summer. When he is on our current roster (or whatever roster we’ll have next year) it will instantaneously make us a playoff team.

- As much as I dislike Mike (no)D’Antoni I must say that Mike Brown is a TERRIBLE COACH!!!!! Maybe the worse coach in the league. His assistants talk more in the huddle than he does. In the NFL they have offensive and defensive assistants because the duties are more with such a large roster but that is just a concept that in the NBA is ridiculous. He is a fraud. Who is worse than him????

didn’t you post 15 minutes ago that this was a good game?

is the game worth watching on replay? i had to take my wife to the movies

Hughes has turf toe.

Did tommy give you the job yet?so you can get back to one sentance posts LOL

Nowhere near enough return for Lee. Save him for the summer with a SnT.

re: LeBron coming alone…

It’s not about making the playoffs. It’s about chips. Plural. He could stay at home and make the playoffs every year, too.

man..i heat artificial turf lol

No.

all i gotta say it’s time to give the young guys alot of minutes.

My point is that there should be no pressure on bringing another max player with him next year. Curry becomes an expiring next year along with Jeffries so when can trade for a star at next years deadline and if we don’t we’ll have a ton of cap space in the summer of 2011.

LMFAO!

Be patient bro’…………Two weeks of showcasing Tommys boy JJ. then we play the rooks.

just watch the second half and turn it off right before duhon tries to tie the game with a 3 pointer…i’m sure you can guess what happens

I know you’re not a nate fan, but there is a great sequence when Shaq blocks nate and then nate blocks shaq on the next possesion. Shaq clearly fouled nate (there was no call), but nate block was clean…great stuff

what movie did you see btw?…maybe I’ll take my wife to the movies the next time the knicks play…sounds like a good idea lol

That’s right J_Starks!!!

Tell em!!!

Patience is the key.

Uh oh. You had to grind your teeth and bear it through Dear John, didn’t you?

What I saw in this game is Lee and Jeffries showed up in the 1st half and everyone else decided to wake up in the 2nd.

Lee is hurt, he’s been hurt for 2 weeks now its his right knee, thats what 40+ minutes do to you when your not built for it D’ANTONI!.

Glad Hill got important minutes keep it up. Jeffries played his ass off again, the guy has been playing extremely hard the last 2 weeks. Keep raising that trade value.

As for Duhon yeah he was part of the comeback but he really didn’t do anything special. We could have used Gallo out there in the 4th. Duhon TO and stupid 3′s trying to be a hero really hurt. Same with Al he’s on 1 leg and is forcing everything. In 2 minutes the guy took 5 shots and Gallo was alone on 2 of them. I want this Turtle off this team. Go be a jock somewhere else.

Where’s the Toney experiment? Weren’t we suppose to get another look?

Nate did a nice job again but bring it all game not just the 2nd Half. And Wilson Chandler work on your D plz. You give guys way to much space from the 3′s not only this game but all year long.

Trades plz make some trades we are still in this. 5 games isn’t impossible.

let’s see the deadline is in 12 days

donnie boy might be A magician…

Easy J_Starks…some people here don’t understand that fact.

They want to fire Donnie Walsh because the team isn’t winning.

LMAO!!

but nothing is a LOCK

“In the second half the Knicks, behind Nate Robinson and Al Harrington, made a huge push as Wilson Chandler, David Lee and Danilo Gallinari sat and watched”

I couldn’t watch the game (I was sleeping lol) so could you (anybody) please explain this to me?

What was the problem in the 1st half? Lack of aggressiveness, lack of D, match-up problems…?

yeah but who exactly is out there in 2011…. not much. i really dont see this whole oh its not a big deal well have room in 2011. but we are not getting melo and we are not getting paul. no chance in hell. our chance is now. get rid of jeffries, chandler i like him but he is NOT untouchable. if it comes down to trading chandler along with jeffries as the only option to get rid of jj then you do it. then you bring in a combo of either lbj and bosh or lbj and joe johnson. THERE IS NO WAY LBJ DOES NOT COME HERE IF BOSH OR JOE JOHNSON COME HERE…. and that is the end of it. wilson chandler i like him a lot once again and im a huge fan of both his work ethic and his game but he needs to be used a chip to give us a chance to land another max guy. you have to give to get folks. we will GET the opportunity to sign another max guy and increase our chance of signing lbj……

Not me. I trust Donnie. Is the coach that I don’t like.

Sherlock Holmes …very good

True Indeed DaGawd!!

Grandpa says hi !!!!

LOL

Excellent points!!!!

Everyone came out Flat except Lee and Jeffries. Also Lebron was on, 35 pts in the 1st Half.

2nd Half everyone else woke up but they came back with Duhon/Nate/Al/Jeffries/Hill so D’Antoni left them out there.

Lee could be hurt he was limping all game it’s his right knee. Chandler just didn’t have it tonight at all. Gallo was hitting some 3′s but that’s it.

I dissagree that our chances of landing LBJ depends on us getting another max guy. First there are only two max guys out there next year. The King and Wade. Bosh is close but he is no max guy.

The Knicks will likely have to renounce his rights to clear the cap hold. No sign and trade then; he walks.

His value to the Knicks in terms of trade value is now, not then.

Great effort by the Knicks to get back in the game. I disagree with some of whats been said: Gallo was fantastic in the 2nd quarter in my opinion. He barely got playing time in the 2nd half. Hill was also very solid in the 4th quarter, I liked what I saw and don’ t think its a coincidence that Hill was in for Lee when the defensive effort really rose to the top for the Knicks. I liked what I saw overall, it was just impossible with the 1st half that Lebron had.

$27,336,225 + $10,500,000 cap hold = $37,836,225 …

Sorry; I don’t get why they’d need to. To sign LeBron first? Why? If he wants to come here, he’ll come here. It’s not like Cleveland has a right of first refusal.

LeBron aint comin fellas. I wouldn’t be mad at adding Bosh this summer then Durant in 2011. Just a thought…

LBJ was swishing threes as he crossd the half court line. He stunned everybody with his performance in the first fifteen minutes.

The Knicks actually came out of the locker room after half time with some energy.

I’m not sure that Harrington should get that much credit.

Duhon and Nate, with Nate basically playing the two, were effective together.

Hill looked like he belonged out there even if his stat line doesn’t show it. I guess that you could say that he had a JJ night.

Too much LBJ. Too much LBJ setting up his team-mates for the Knicks to pullit off.

I was wondering if Gallo got more than floor burn when he went down on his knees. He went down hard, and wasn’t the same after that.

I think they are being careful to get him through the season without injury. They’d rather have him strength-building than re-habbing this summer.

right… and even if we do trade jeffries we wont have enough money to offer to full max deals, but two near max deals… joe johnson is worth near max money imo

we are not getting durant.

i bet that bosh gets max money this summer, which would make him a max player by definition

Durant is a RFA agent in 2011, you dont think OKC will match?

Donnie went through two years of losing,thinking hes gonna sign lebron,and that aint gonna happen.

Yes I agree, at this point it is much better to be safe with him and limit his minutes if need be. Still, I would have liked to see him in the 4th but that fall was pretty hard as you said.

believe me ,Bosh is getting theMAX

Grandpa is HIGH

Did you know that Ty Thomas was suspended by the bulls for conduct detrimental?

id give bosh the max…. if it meant lbj coming here. bosh is one of the best big men in the game clearly. the only thing that scares me is his knees.

And missed the second and third quarter’s as well.

exactly why 2010 is our year and 2011 via the free agent market isnt. donnie needs to trade jeffries NOW.

Are you still expecting to get a 1st Rd Pick for Lee or anything substantial for Lee? Three words: in your dreams.

Right now, Donnie needs to at least try and package Lee with Jeffries for expiring deals. Emphasize the “at least” part. I doubt that will work though and the Knicks might have to include Douglas to rid Jeffries salary.

Boots, its called the sign-and-trade rule. You can renounce your own free agents and still perform sign-and-trades with them.

Therefore, Lee can be traded after the season, that is if he finds it in the kindness of his heart and feels he owes the Knick’s something to even agree to a sign-and-trade deal.

Of Course he does! He wants to keep his job and not end up like Marv Albert.

Great! Trade chandler for nothing.

What if LBJ and/or Bosh don’t come? What then?

okay great, so keep chandler then lebron doesnt sign because the team does not have the room to sign another max guy and be stuck at the bottom of the east again. then the folliwng year wilson is a rfa so his salary will increase tremendously and your cap room will be lower, so in essence we will be a middle of the road team. (note wilson is a rfa in 2011/2012…… if you did not know) listen im only interested in winning a championship… anything less than a championship means nothing to me. they way to do that is to get LBJ and the way to get LBJ IMO is getting joe johnson or cp4…… wilson chandler is really good obviousally but id trade him in a heart beat if it was the ONLY way to get rid of jj

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4894018

Hasn’t been touched on too much on the blog but does anyone feel that the potential impending CBA lockout and changes to MAX players salaries including proposed rollbacks that could reduce max salaries by 30% affect Lebrons decision July 1? I have attached the ESPN link above.

If max salaries might be reduced by 30%, including current deals and deals that are signed this summer doesnt that cause Lebron to re-think his strategy?

Me feelings are that Lebron might put more of a consideration on his marketing opportunities and which market would put him in a better position to have the most opportunity available. If he minimizes the weight of gurunteed money in salaries, which is something the owners will fight against, and it comes down to marketing money that he will be able to make, even in a lockout, then NY has to have an advantage if these are the options he now has to weigh becasue of the CBA issues at hand.

I think this potential lockout and the max money changes that Stern and the owners are pushing for will weigh heavily until Lebrons decision.

my favorite would be Bosh and johnson.Now whos the pg? that question screws the whole season

I WOULDVE LOVED TO PUT SESSIONS@POINT
SG-jOHNSON
SF-gALLO
PF-bOSH
C-?HILL

Alright thank you

Well capspace is about flexibility as much as FA signing.

In 2011 there’s Melo but the Knicks will be in a better position to aquire stars like Chris Paul or Deron Williams under the cap.

But if LeBron is not available I think Donnie Walsh will have to sign the BPA ASAP (Joe Johnson, Chris Bosh…) – but we don’t need Amare Stoudemire IMO.

having Chandler and keeping Lee is just as enticing as adding Joe Johnson. And that doesnt put all our eggs in one basket.

The knicks are done for years if they do what you say and dont end up getting LeBron and/or Bosh.

At least if they keep chandler and lee they can get Joe Johnson if Bron or Bosh doesnt come.

unless he did something really bad, that’s a pretty gutsy call with noah out…they won the game without him

Okay, this is going to be a big post to clarify things.

First to Mucha, the reason Lee and Gallinari sat is because they both played no defense whatsoever. Of course we Know Lee doesn’t play defense, but it was more blatant in this game because Shaq was demolishing him. And to Gallo, he let his poor play the last few weeks haunt him again as he didn’t play a lick of defense, except for one good block on Shaq. Wilson Chandler was on the bench because of no fault of his own; the man has been playing on one leg lately with a strained left groin and left knee. He should not even be playing out there.

N8 was playing down the stretch because he was the offensive sparkplug – as he frequently is capable of being – that led comeback from the final minutes of the 3rd through the fourth quarter. Hill was playing down the stretch because he actually provided an interior defensive presence that managed to slow down Shaq and LeBron’s driving to the paint. LeBron had a stretch in the 4th where he took a couple of jump shots in a row that missed instead of driving to the paint. Fear of Hill? Maybe, maybe not.

Duhon was playing because Hughes was out with a sprained toe. He put up an ill-advised (don’t I use that word a lot with this team, so does Clyde) three when the Knicks were down by three that eventually led to the team’s demise. The lineup was Nate, Duhon, Jeffries, Al, and Hill. Harrington was making a his sots here and there and was actually doing well down the stretch.

Now to salary specifics. If only Biggie were here…

LeBron Jame’s salary is the uniform $15,779,912 this year. LeBron’s max salary in the first year of the new contract that he signs (if he does sign) cannot be less than 105% of the salary he made in the previous season (the 105% Rule). Therefore, 105% of $15,779,912 is $16,568,908, which is the probable maximum salary for LeBron.

Details to Note:

I stated “probable” in the previous sentence because there are other factors that could alter it. The rule regarding maximum salary for players with 7 years experience is that it is valued at 30% of the total salary cap according to the current CBA.

(The league instituted maximum salary for players with 7 years experience coming into this season was $16,224,600.)

Assuming that the cap next season goes down to $54 MM, the league instituted max salary for players with 7 years experience going into the 2010-2011 season would be 30% of the cap, which is $16.2 MM.

However, the the 105% Rule always overrides the league implemented maximum salary that is decided upon after the July Moratorium ( JM for short). Therefore LeBron’s $16,568,908 overrides the $16.2 MM.

Back to the July Moratorium. We all know that July 1st is the start of the free agent negotiation period. However, free agents cannot be signed until the July Moratorium is complete. The JM is the period in which the salary cap for the upcoming season is decided upon and set. Until the JM is complete and the salary cap instituted, no free agents can be signed.

- SIgn-and-Trade Rule

There seems to be some confusion about David Lee’s sign-and-trade eligibility. Even though Lee will become a UFA this season, even if his salary is renounced to eliminate his cap hold, he can still be dealt via the sign-and-trade rule which allows teams to still perform the trade even though they renounce their own free agent(s).

- Knicks salary commitments for 2010-2011 as of right now

Hill – $2,669,520
Douglas – $1,071,000,
Gallinari – $3,304,560
Chandler – $2,130,481
Curry – $11,276,683
Jeffries – $6,883,400

= $27,335,644

I’m assuming the Knicks are renouncing Lee here.

If the cap is $54 MM, the Knicks have around $28.6 MM to spend. Since the max salaries of LeBron, Bosh, and Wade is estimated at about $16,568,908 (remember the math I did before?). To sign 2 of them to max contracts, the Knicks would need a cap space of at least $33,137,816. which is the aforementioned max salary figure multiplied by two.

Trading Jeffries in a package with Lee now would shed that $6.884,400 due to Jeffries and increase the Knicks cap space to around $35.5 MM, more than enough to sign players with 7 years going into next season to max deals.

I’m tired. I’ll elaborate further later.

If they abolish the MLE that would hurt us, but if this gets us lebron…bring it on! lol

No need to elaborate any further; that makes it pretty clear. (not sarcastic, i actually enjoyed your post.)

I think what you are saying is that if we move JJ, we will have enough for 2 max guys. LeBron can chose his number 2, from amongst a few of the best players in the world. (hypathetically)

Donnie is fronting now, still talking about winning, but when the time comes he will trade JJ even in a trade that makes us worse, and he will come out and say listen, this was the plan, we can have 2 max guys this summer now, its an offer they can’t refuse, etc.. He has pretty much had one job since he was hired, and aqcuiring that amount of cap space was it. He better finish what he started.

…

Something is wrong with Galo and Lee as of late. I think they are both extremely tired and/or hurt. Lee with careless turnovers and galo being pretty much a non factor.

Somehow Lee still puts up 30 and 15 though… i don’t get it.

We’ll have to trade Eddy Curry to have enough capspace to sign 2 max FA’s considering that teams have to have a 12-man roster.

Really? I thought with the second round picks we would be able to pull it off. Curry’s going no where so i guess that’s out of the question.

Regardless, 35 million is enough to make some serious noise.

But still, we have no point guard.

The cavs have been starting lebron at the 1 with parker at the two, and it’s working nicely. I don’t see any reason why we couldn’t do the same.

But if we don’t get lebron, we really will just have no point guard.

All I can think about for the summer of 2010 is lebron going to the nets. They will most likely get wall, they have the big man in lopez, and they’ll have the cap room. Add a billionaire russian owner with the addition of the chinese market from yi. Its a perfect storm brewing for Lebron to go there. I’m surprised more don’t see this. Oh, and I forgot jay-z and Brooklyn. Someone tell me I’m wrong cause it seems like a definate.

I didn’t know that “the 105% Rule always overrides the league implemented maximum salary that is decided upon after the July Moratorium”. Here are my numbers, assuming that B&O’s right :

MINUS JARED JEFFRIES :

Projected salary cap (Knicks operating number) : $53 million

01. Danilo Gallinari : $3.304 million
02. Jordan Hill : $2.669 million
03. Toney Douglas : $1.071 million
04. Wilson Chandler : $2.130 million
05. Eddy Curry : $11.276 million
06. LeBron James : $16.569 million ($15.780 x 105%)

Remaining capspace : $15.981 million for 6 players

For example :
07. Marcus Landry $762.195
08. Jonathan Bender Veteran’s minimum ($597.271?)
09. 2nd round draft pick $473.604
10. 2nd round draft pick $473.604
11. Minimum FA signing $473.604

Remaining capspace : $13.236 million

I think you are wrong lol.

The Nets are anti-fresh man…

The franchise sucks, the jerseys suck, the arena sucks and the move to Brooklyn is kinda “artificial”… I don’t know – I think he’ll be either a Knick or a Cav.

Nice trade.

One question: who’s playing sg for Sacramento, Jason Thomson or David Lee? Are they looking to play with 2 pf’s and not bother with a sg?

BTW — Martin is a better scorer than Lee and a better defender than JJ.

Just a thought.

You must have missed them to because we started fighting at the end of the 2nd.

All that anyone think they might want to know about the NBA Salary Cap: http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q11 A few items to discuss

(1) My take on the game was that LBJ was intentionally rubbing his game in our face, showing the Knicks up and all the Knicks fans who was watching, telling us in no subtle means what he thought about us! That he thought we were crap, that he was gonna stamp his game on our face and on our city, and knowing we just played the night before try to take our heart, then in the end show us-”the Knicks” are not worth his time! That was my take on it !

(2) On the knicks play – DLee played well early, he was noticeably gimpy tonight, he is hurt or wearing down or both, also he is not going anywhere, especially with his gimpy knee. Gallo played alright but it’s becoming apparent he is what he is, a star player, maybe maybe not, but he may be just a 3rd option at best (6 /7th man off the bench-If the Knicks keep DLee). ILL Will game was insignificant last night especially on LBJ. He also have seemed to be laboring this year at times due to his injuries, next year he should be the 2rd or 3rd man off the bench. JJ played well. His confidence is improving his play, next year he should be the 5th man off the bench / the 9th or 10th man in the rotation (because i don’t see him being traded this year). Harington made some shots and forced some shots what else is new. Hopefully what won’t be new is a new contract for this guy. JHill played well in “spot duty” (because of DLee’s gimpy knee no doubt), next yr he’ll be a solid 9th man in the rotation. Duhon played like Duhon, and because he really is a third pg off the bench type of player (the roll TD will fill next yr) thankfully Duhon won’t be back next year. N8 started off slow but finished off strong. He’s definitely a “finisher” it just was last night he didn’t have much help (a wing in the mold of a Mello would have been nice though i would settle for a JJ or even Rudy Gay). Since i see N8 as part of the Knick’s answer and not part of their problem, and still a player with value, i see him here next yr on a new contract, maybe as the 6/ 7th man in the rotation (it would just be foolish to just let N8 walk).

(3) 2010 Roster. Since the Knicks current needs are starting PG, starting G, Starting C, and back-up PG and with only around 13 /14 mil. to play with after being rebuffed by the likes of LBJ, DWade, Bosh, and JJ, and signing DLee to close to the max, It would appear the Knicks next best option would be to offer Rudy Gay the max and hope Memphis don’t match it, and then buy another late 1st rd pick and draft the guard they need-hopefully Lance Stephenson with that pick and a starting or maybeback-up PG with one of their 2nd rd picks- Corey Fisher (Villanova) or Sherron collins (Kansas).

2010 -Starting 5: (C) Dwayne Jones D-League, (PF) DLee, (SF) Rudy Gay, (G) Lance Stephenson, (PG) Curtis Jerrells / Corey Fisher / Sherron Collins

Or 2010-Starting 5: (C) Jermaine Oneal, (PF) Gallo, (SF) Rudy Gay, (G)Lance Stephenson, (PG) Raymond Felton / Corey Fisher.

Comments

The Max salary for any player with 6 plus years experience is 30% of the total cap OR 105% of their last years salary.. whichever is HIGHER..

there is no mandate to pay them anything.. they can be offered and take whatever they want (pending league approval) around that number..

then numbers for Lebron are very close (105% or 30%) but that starts to be an issue with players like Kobe .. he is at 24 mil so his next deal can be anywhere between 30% of the cap and 105% of 24 million

Nce summary, but I have a question about the “Lee sign and trade”scenario.

Granted that the Knicks still have the right to sign and trade him even after renouncing him, but by renouncing him don’t they give up his Bird Rights?

In most sign and trade deals that I’m familiar with, the player agrees to the sign and trade because he can get more from his original team via his Bird Rights.

If his bird rights are renounced, the only reason to accept a sign and trade would be to help his new team clear a roster slot for him via the trade. That could help the Knicks if they were gettinng a couple of bench players back to re-fill the roster, but I’m not sure that many teams would be trading a usable “star” back to match Lee’s contract.

Whoa!

The knicks would never give the Max to Rudy Gay. come on now.
So you think next year Lance Stephenson, Curtis Jerrells, and Dwayne Jones could all be in our starting linup? Are you out of your mind?
The second lineup is not much better.

This goes down as the worst and dumbest proposed 2010 lineup I have seen so far.

My comment? You are insane.

Either of those starting 5s would be the worst NBA team ever.

And signing Gay to the max would guarantee that we would never get out of the cellar.

I’d basically give up being a Knicks fan. Luckily smarter people are running the team.

You must be one of those Knicks fans with “Lebron Fever”, and any line up absent of LBJ in it causes you to dread being a Knicks fan! If LBJ “wanted to come here fine, thats all good, but honestly i want to be that guy and send him off the court like Orlando did! As far as my line-ups, If you want to be real this will be about the best the Knicks will do this summer! It’s not a finished team its a beginning, something to build on (and i definitely think the second starting 5 could run the 7SOL deep in to the playoffs!

“(…) next year he (Wilson Chandler) should be the 2rd or 3rd man off the bench”

“JHill played well in “spot duty” (because of DLee’s gimpy knee no doubt), next yr he’ll be a solid 9th man in the rotation”

With Dwayne Jones and Lance Stephenson in the starting line-up?

LMFAO

i think he was referring more to his offensive efficiency and overall comfort on the offensive end.

Not I want to “be”*, I want to “beat” that guy

Alright thanks for the clarification.

Johneco-” Luckily smarter people are running the team.”??????????????? Is that why the Knicks still have only one PG on their “roster”, and his name is “DuNoN”!!!

You are out of your mind man. My advice would be to leave it at that before embarrassing yourself even more.

“i want this turtle off the team”

ive been saying al harrington looks like a ninja turtle for the past 2 years. i cant believe u just said that!!

he looks like Michelangelo when he wears his orange headband.

gallo was looking to post up the smaller defenders tonight, which i liked… if hes playing the 3, hes gonna see smaller defenders. he needs to get his dirk nowitzki on and work that back to the basket fade-away

I should have said if you have sent in your resume to be LBJ towel boy you need not comment. I’m gonna stand by what i said and read your post in July!

haha took the words out of my mouth

i dont agree with a lot of your line-up suggestions, but i will say… if lebron doesnt come to nyc, i would settle for him becoming the biggest knicks villain since reggie miller (as long as we could put together a team to compete with him). it would make for good basketball.

Okay, But what i don’t understand is why would anyone want to continue to fantasize about LBJ coming to NY when all he really care about is winning-and the Knicks have not been doing a lot of that lately (for years), and winning rings / “championships (and that won’t be happening for at least 3-5 years even if he was to come here). It’s not like he would be leaving the Cleveland “Indians” for the NY “Yankees”! His team has the best record in the NBA, better management, Chinese money to be thrown at him, a better team, and even their first round pick! If any of you were LBJ would you leave your team for this Dolan run joke of a franchise?!?

the impending CBA uncertainty is the primary reason why all these max type players are becoming free agents. THeir representatives are not fools..

they knew when the CBA expired and wanted to give their clients the opportunity to get another contract BEFORE the rules change.

That is why there is absolutely no way Lebron exercises his 2010 player option with the Cavs.

so without douglas’s 1 million we could offer two max deals…..

true. i agree he wont go to nj. but realistically

pg – wall
sg-
sf – ljb
pf – bosh
c – lopez

that IS possible and they can trade harris to land them a upgrade at sg. that is one scary team. granted it is nj so lbj wont go but still. and also they would have to win the first pick.

spelling error…. LBJ

there is no chance we get carmelo anthony imo and i really cant see us getting chris paul or williams either. 2010 is our year via free agency imo. having chandler and keeping lee is NOT anywhere near as enticing as landing joe johnson if your lebron james. joe johnson is one of the most underrated players in the game. if your lbj would you rather play with chandler lee or joe johnson…. joe johnson. great i am putting our eggs into one basket because there is no way in hell imo James does not come here if joe johnson or chris bosh does.

why isnt lebron and either bosh or johnson your fav

the 9th man in D’Antoni’s rotation plays exactly ZERO minutes.

Yeah,can you imagine wanting someone fired cuz the team is losing ? How stupid. I mean why would a Knicks fan want the team to win? Man these fans are so selfish.Spending two hundred dollars to watch a game,and then on top of that ,they want the team to win.how dare they.If Dolan wanted the Knicks to win,they would’nt have hired these 2 guys.You are so right DVJ, Some people just dont understand the concept of being a fan.”they want to fire Donnie Walsh because the team isnt winning LMAO!!” ..are you saying that once they start winning,they should be fired?

i dont understand your question

YES! better to beat lbj,then be lbj

No but the numbers would be more enticing for a Joe Johnson.

I didn’t think so!

They do give up Lee’s Bird Rights when they renounce him and therefore cannot re-sign him via Bird Right stipulations. But the Knicks can still perform a sign-and-trade with him though.

The downside to performing a sign-and-trade after renouncing Lee is that they cannot use the Bird Rights in the sign and trade. That means the Knicks cannot trade Lee to teams who will be over the cap if they acquire Lee or are already over the cap.

Therefore, the Knicks would be better off not renouncing Lee, and then performing a sign-and-trade to rid the team of his cap hold. They would receive a greater return that way.

But the point here is that a sign-and-trade can be done even if he is renounced, but the Knicks will have less suitors by doing it that way.

Okay, one more post to elaborate.

Mucha, the Knicks don’t have to trade Curry to sign two max free agents and have a complete roster.

If the Knicks lose Jeffries, they will have about $35.5 MM in cap space, as I mentioned before.

Considering the Knicks will need about $33 MM to sign TWO free agents with 7 years of experience going into next season to max deals, which is the Bosh/Wade/LeBron group.

But you have to conceive other factors. Won’t LeBron take a $1 MM or $2 MM less to allow the Knicks to sign his wingman, preferably Bosh, to a near-max deal?

If the Bosh and LeBron both sign $16.25 MM, which is about $350,000 less than the max salary figure I detailed in my previous post,

NOTE: Forgot to mention that the maximum salary restriction is only in effect during the first year of new contracts. However, there are limits to how great a pay raise a player may receive from year to year. So the Knicks cannot sign LeBron to $1 MM the first year an then $40 MM the second.

that would give the Knicks around $1MM extra to use (obviously if both LeBron and Bosh take $350,000 less, the Knicks would have $.7 MM more to use). That would give the Knicks around $3 MM left (I stated earlier that losing Jeffries’ salary from the current salary would leave the Knicks with about $35.5 MM in space. $16.25 from LeBron and Bosh equals $32.5. $35.5 minus $32.5 equals $3 MM, which is the $3 MM that they would be left with to use after signing LeBron and Bosh.

And to Mucha, the current mandatory roster minimum is 12 Active Players and 1 Non-Active Player totaling to 13 players. The maximum roster regulation is 12 Active Players and 3 Non-Active players.

There with commitments to Douglas, Chandler, Gallo, Hill, Curry, LeBron, and Bosh, the Knicks have 7 players.

The Knicks would then need 6 more players to fill out the 13 player required minimum.

The minimum salary for players with 0 years experience in the NBA will be $475,000 next season. $475,000 times 6 equals $2,850,000.

Therefore losing Jeffries would allow the Knicks to have more than enough to sign LeBron, Bosh, and have enough to fill out the roster.

LeBron would be an idiot not to come to NY from both a business and winning standpoint. NY has so much more to offer. LeBron can have his own line of restaurants in NY, his own fast food chain, his own shoe store, and so much more that Cleveland cannot even dream of.

LeBron’s opportunity in NY is limitless.

I only pray that he see’s that as well.

you must have seen my wife

“Mucha, the Knicks don’t have to trade Curry to sign two max free agents and have a complete roster”

Yes they have to! And LeBron will never take a pay cut, the slavery days are over lol!

ESPN « The New York Knicks are using $53 million as their operating number »

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/11723/what-will-next-summers-salary-cap-be

01. LeBron James : $16.569 ($15.780 x 105%)
02. Toney Douglas : $1.071
03. Wilson Chandler : $2.130
04. Jordan Hill : $2.669
05. Danilo Gallinari : $3.304
06. Eddy Curry : $11.276

Payroll : $37.019 million
Remaining capspace : $15.981 million ($53 million – $37.019 million) for 5 players

07. 2nd round draft pick : $473.604
08. 2nd round draft pick : $473.604
09. Minimum FA signing : $473.604
10. Minimum FA signing : $473.604
11. Minimum FA signing : $473.604
12. Marcus Landry : $762.195

Payroll : $40.149 million
Remaining capspace : $12.850 million for 1 player

Conclusion : The Knicks don’t have enough money for 2 max FA’s if they don’t get rid of Eddy Curry!

Mucha, you obviously didn’t read my first “big” post.

And. Mucha, one more time to clarify, the Knicks can fill out their roster with Non-drafted INVITEES,

I’m talking about players like Morris Almond, Joe Crawford, etc.

Also,I can see Landry not being offered a contract because he is a restricted free agent.

Second-round draft picks would not cost more than minimum FA contracts. It was just an example anyways.

I read your first post and I don’t knoW what your point is. My numbers are accurate and the Knicks will not have enough capspace to sign 2 max FA’s if they don’t trade Curry with a $53 million salary cap (which is the Knicks’ operating number according to ESPN).

Okay, you missed the point.

The point I clarified was that in order to sign 2 free agents to max deals who will have 7 years experience and still have a complete roster the minimum requirement is to rid Jeffries. The Knicks don’t have to trade both Curry and Jeffries to sign Bosh and LeBron to max deals, just Jeffries. But shedding Curry would be icing on the cake,

Okay?

No.

Getting rid of JJ wouldn’t be enough!

I’ll quote you : “$27,335,644 – I’m assuming the Knicks are renouncing Lee here. If the cap is $54 MM, the Knicks have around $28.6 MM to spend”

First, $54 – $27.335 = $26.665 (not 28.6). Second, I think it is more legitimate to assume that the salary cap will be $53 million (and not $54 million) considering that 53 is the Knicks operating number. So your analysis is inflated from the start ($3 million).

Maybe YOU should read my post – no shots!