Dismantling the Wizards

Yeah i agree i dont see that trade going down with those teams . Even though i think Amare is on his way down as a player he is still worth more than what the Cavs can offer. If the suns want a better deal they will get one but stranger things have happened in he NBA . A move like that could cause Kerr to fumble things for D’antoni and the knicks in the Lebron hunt.

Id be happy to get Nick Young and or Javale Mcgee off the Wizards but they are young players so I doubt that they would do it.

But wait I thought the Cavs roster without LBJ was the worst in the league. Now they have enough talent to trade for Amare or Jamison? The Wiz can get expirings from anyone why trade Jamison to the Cavs (their mortal enemy) unless they are getting talent back. Same for PHX and Amare.

Could it be the Cavs have . . .talent on their roster? They certainely don’t have high draft picks.

But wait the Knicks have far superior talent than the Cavs. Why can’t we trade our future superstars for Amare? Or did we overvalue the talent on our roster?

Like I said above, I do not think the Cavs have the assets to make a deal for Amare without getting a third team involved.

Also, the Wizards dealing Jamison would be as much to get his salary off their books as it would to get equal value in return. Any team has the talent to get something like that done.

The Cavs are not bereft of talent by any stretch. I am not enamoured by their roster, but they definitely have talent.

You call JJ Hickson talent he is better than notta damn person on our roster….except maybe Jared, Duhon and Curry.

Have you watched Hickson play? Obviously not to make a comment like that. Lol.

But just to humor you he is certainely better than Darko, Hughes, a retired Mobely, Marcus Landry and Douglas.

I could make a really good argument he is better right now than Hill. But wait I thought big men take time to develop? SMH.

I’ll give you Gallo, Lee, Chandler, Nate. But only Gallo and Chandler play any defense and Hickson is a more complete player than Dirk . . I mean Gallo.

No worries Chris that wasn’t directed towards your post. There are some who have been posting that the Knicks roster is better than the Cavs despite the Cavs having a two future hall of famers, an all-star, solid vets, and very good role players. Plus the best record in the league two years in a row (or second best). Yet somehow the Knicks are better and don’t need to make any roster improvements to lure Lebron. He would be crazy not to want to play with Lee, Gallo, Chandler Douglas and Jeffries over what he has now.

It is lunacy!!

I forgot Jonathan Bender. Hickson would eat his lunch.

oh yeah,our roster is just a plethera of talent.weve almost won 20 games so far.I think that every KNICKS fan on this blog overates our players.there is NO WAY,we have half the talent of the CAVS,even without LBJ

I forgot about Bender to and JJ is better than him but why even put the bench warmers in the argument?
Im talking the main people who play and JJ IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE BETTER THAN ANY OF EM.

Gallo looked like crap again last night in the rookie vs soph game, he wasn’t even one of the top 10 players during that game. Omri Casspi looked better than him and banged one on Gallo’s head. I really hope people don’t think Gallo will be the one to attract Lebron here because I’m pretty sure he is not too impressed with how Gallo has been playing. Lebron I am sure is a great judge of talent and if I think Gallo is soft you better bet Lebron sees that too.

So no one wants to take into account Kerr and Ferry’s friendship? We arleady saw Kerr give away Shaq for NOTHING. They just saved money.

Big Z, Hickson, Green, 1st rd pick would probably get them Amare and Ferry would tell his buddy Kerr to release Big Z asap.

Yes there are better deals out there for PHX but friends always end up helping each other.

Phx saved a lot of money in this trade (which we know the owner loves to do)

Cleveland keeps King James happy.

” but why even put the bench warmers in the argument?”

You brought up Curry not me. I was just making the list complete.

We will agree to disagree on Hickson until he proves you wrong in the playoffs.

So I’m guessing you would trade Gallo for Chris Paul?

Cause I knew someone would bring up Curry but i thought you guys would at least leave the whole bench out of it..

Gallos not ball dominat like Beasley and Mayo was which makes him disappear on teams like that.
But Im sure the Stars know how to judge talent.

“he is better than notta damn person on our roster”

Then you brought up Curry. You are obviously undervaluing JJ to prove your point which wasn’t true to begin with. But it is what it is.

Even with your modified statement about the starters/rotation players D’Antoni plays 6/7 players and you mentioned two (Duhon, Jeffries). That only leaves Lee, Gallo, Wil, Nate and Hill.

Hill doesn’t really play on a pitiful sqaud. Nate was benched for a month and plays no D. Lee is a much better offensive player but plays no D. Gallo has reverted back to being a one trick pony. Chandler disappears for significant stretches sometimes whole games.

Hickson plays significant minutes on a playoff team with other options including Varejo who started for them in the finals. And he is playing extremely well.

Cleveland tries to keep King James happy.

Hickson is so good he’s about to get traded.

If Amare goes to Cleveland it’ll be just like PHX Suns east.
The bottom line is this….the only team that has the chance to win multiple chips as of right now is LA.

They are stacked from top to bottom.

Even without Kobe their still the top team in the west.

Like I said they were freezing him out. Kinda of like Jordan in the all-star game. They are all scared of his talent.

WTF did you just say?

I like Hickson’s game.

Man I’ve seen some dumb s*#t on here but the Lakers would be the top team in the West without Kobe might be easily the dumbest.

Unbelievable. I’m outta here.

That was Shaq, an unwanted piece. He was dumped in large part because he was not a fit there anymore and because the Suns saved money in the deal. Amare and Shaq are completely separate issues.

I am not sure if they’d be the best in the west, but they’d still be pretty damn good. They are loaded out in LA.

They have by far the best front line in basketball. Gasol / Bynum / Artest / Odom can dominate any other front line in the league.

I do not think the Cavs have the assets to make a deal for Amare without getting a third team involved.

Why do you say that? what could PHX possibly get for a player with an expiring contract that will be guaranteed only to play 30 something games plus layoffs?

I would say a young player on a rookie deal with up side, some expiring money and some future draft picks would be about right… PLus maybe taking back another contract? (the news is reporting that PHX wants to package Jason Richardson with Amare.) . Why couldnt Cleveland take J Rich back too? Dont forget the Cavs.. have Wally World’s Bird rights at a high value that they can easily use in a sign and trade to get that done..

They relaly dont care about Luxury tax at this point as if the lose Lebron they are FUBAR.

So Amare and J Rich for Hickson, Big Z, Wally (at 1 year 13 mil guaranteed) and a few future number ones.. hell three future number ones.. what does Danny Ferry care about draft picks anyway?

So without Kobe they would be better than Denver (that beat them twice) and Dallas? Utah, PHX, San Antonio?

They barely made it to the finals WITH Kobe last year. And their only really significant offseason move was swapping Ariza for Artest.

If you sub out Kobe who is your starting SG? Shannon Brown?

Whatever. I’ll see you guys after the deadline is up.

So it takes ball dominant players to excel in these games?
is that why Lee was the MVP a few years ago?

I guess we’ll see what happens. It wouldn’t shock me if Amare ends up in Cleveland. Its the Gasol Trade all over again. Friends helping Friends.

The difference is that the Grizz received multiple picks and a young player (Gasol) that has emerged into a very good player.

Also, the Grizz were rebuilding. The Suns are not trying to rebuild in the same sense. They will not give away their best player in the midst of a playoff run.

Pau Gasol also was not an impending free agent either.

I hear you on the friends helping friends idea, but the scenarios are a bit different.

Knicks4life

“They barely made it to the finals WITH Kobe last year. And their only really significant offseason move was swapping Ariza for Artest. ”

LOL

I love people who think they know so much. The Lakers barely made it last year? Do you know they beat Denver in the Western Conference Finals last year and it wasn’t in 7 games? How did they barely make it? The ran through anybody that got in their way and they will do the same thing this year.

They have the 2nd best PF in the league right now in Gasol only behind Duncan. They have arguably the best player in the league and they have the best defender. Not to mention the best young center in the league and the best coach. Their starting PG has only started on 4 championship teams.

Get your stuff together man LOL.

Anyway, on to bigger and better things.

I want the Knicks to either trade Jeffries or not make any moves.

We don’t want to make any moves just to make moves.
The playoffs aren’t out of reach this year yet but pretty soon they will be.
Trade Jeffries and give us over 30 mill in cap space.

Right now we have enough to sign 1 max deal and another player in the 8-9 million dollar range.

Not bad considering where we were only 2 years ago. LOL

That’s not good enough for certain fans though.

“I want to win now”
“Donnie isn’t doing enough”
“Anybody could traded Zach and Jamal”

LMAO

People kill me.

mavs wiz deal if holds up should be completed by monday…

Cleveland will lose to Orlando again this year…if they make it.

It’s a completely different story when you play a team in a series.
You can win in the regular season but it’s much more difficult to beat a team 4 games out of 7.

Cleveland is to small in the back court. Especially when they have Vince and Rashard on the wings.

“But DVJ, Cleveland just beat the Magic Thursday night and they didn’t even have Mo Williams”

LMAO

Cleveland knows they need more fire power and this is why their in trade discussions for Amare or Jamison.

You don’t hear Orlando in trade discussions do you?
You know why?

Because they don’t have to make a trade.
They have the deepest team in the East and the 2nd deepest team in the league.

I predict a LA vs. Orlando Finals again.

Just my opinion though.

To tell you the truth……

I don’t think Cleveland can beat the Celtics when their healthy.

Pierce
Ray
Rondo
KG
Wallace
Daniels

When their healthy that will be a problem.

uhhh ….ya got any gum?

i wish they would

how about this novel idea.Make moves to make the team better…..yeah i know,why would donnie want to do that? you list these things,you dont back them with any facts,and then you say …LMAO….never giving yourself a chance to be right or wrong..(kinda like a walsh strategy)

vght

you forgot to LYAO

“There are some who have been posting that the Knicks roster is better than the Cavs despite the Cavs having a two future hall of famers, an all-star, solid vets, and very good role players. Plus the best record in the league two years in a row (or second best).”

Two future hall of famers? You mean 350 lb, over-the-hill/out of his prime Shaq and…? Don’t understand why you’re including Lebron in your analysis – people are comparing the two rosters WITHOUT Lebron, who is his team’s ONLY all-star. Who exactly are the “solid vets and role players” you speak of? Ilgauskus? Parker? Varejao? Gibson? Lebron makes all these players. You really think the Knicks wouldn’t be able to pick up vets/role players like those next year? The reason why the Cavs have the best record in the league is quite simple: LEBRON, not their supporting cast. Not to mention, you neglect to leave out all the off the court reasons Lebron would consider coming here for.

LMAO

Flat out, if the cavs have enough pieces to get amare, so do the knicks…not saying i necessarily want amare, but i’m j/s…

i think teams would be wary of giving up young talent for Amare or Lee. They fear that they will be in a weak bargaining position if they aquire either and will be forced to overpay. Cleveland is the exception because amare (or Jamison) may be their last hope of keeping James.

I’M WITH YOU ON THAT BARNABY!!!!!!! DONNIE WILL GET SOMETHING DONE BY THURS. IF NOT WE CAN ALWAYS MAKE A MOVE ON DRAFT NIGHT.

look at this shoe. I love the “thank you cleveland part”. the shoe is real after all. there is also a russia edition. the owner of the nets is russian.
http://nikelebron.net/2010/02/13/nike_air_max_lebron_vii_low_rumor_pack_i_love_ny/
yesterday at the events lbj was sporting an all black yankee hat. jus sayin

Nice……

I knew those shoes were real.

Alan Hahn said they were fake but like I’ve been saying….never listen to someone who’s 1st sport is hockey lol.

Those shoes are nice !!!

I’m getting so sick of hearing about Lebron! He is not the only answer….. Sure he’s one of the best players in the game and would make us contenders pretty quickly, but I’m just tired of people saying its Lebron or Bust??? Lebron is an amazing talent and good passer, but I hate how he takes the PG duties and dribble the ball at the top of the key. It really goes against the free flowing offense of getting everyone involved and finding the best shot. Sure he carry a team on his own most of the time, but once playoffs come, you need others that will step it up!

I’m just concerned that if we miss out on Lebron, we’ll miss out on the other free agents. I think it’s safe to say that Wade isn’t coming, and I don’t think he’d change the team that much anyways… Look at Miami the past few seasons after they won. Reports of Joe Johnson prob wanting to stay in Atlanta, and Bosh might be more lurred to go to Miami? If we don’t land Lebron, I think you gotta go after Bosh and let Lee go…….

Bosh
Hill
Gallo
Chandler
sign a pg sergio, blake

wouldn’t be a bad lineup… then next yr.. then go hard after melo…. no way OKC will let Durant go being restricted…. so let’s throw that idea out!!!!!!

the following season we would have:

BOSH
GALLO/HILL
MELO
Chandler/Douglas
PG? sergio, blake?

if we don’t resign chandler,, trade for a more natural 2 or trade Gallo??? I think that is a team that you can make some noise and potentially have a good shot to win it….. If we don’t get Bosh or Lebron, i’m afraid we’re going to overpay for LEE…. but it is, what it is????? thoughts?????

I just feel that a BOSH/MELO is a much more realistic approach to the free agency……..still play in Mike’s system….. would be a the type of offense team he needs to make this work!!!!

I guess Blair is the “ball dominant” type too.

Excuses.

Gallinari looked like a chump. The tallest most invisible player in the game.

Please.

You guys are too gullible. I work in Advertising. Nike is playing you.

“i wish they would”

+1

I knew it!! The advertising part.. And the playing part too