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Yahoo: Knicks closing in on McGrady

by Myles A. Mills on February 15th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

Via Wojnarowski/Spears:

“The New York Knicks are getting closer to reaching the Houston Rockets’ demands for Tracy McGrady(notes) and his $23 million expiring contract, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Knicks and Rockets have designed the framework of a deal that would unload New York’s Jared Jeffries, Jordan Hill and either Al Harrington(notes) or Larry Hughes for McGrady, Joey Dorsey and Brian Cook.

As talks stood on Monday, the price of dumping the burdensome contract of Jeffries – who is owed $6.9 million next season – comes with the Knicks and Rockets exchanging 2011 first-round picks and the Knicks’ 2012 first-round choice going to Houston. New York also might include a 2010 second-round pick.

The Utah Jazz own the Knicks’ first-round pick in 2010.

The completion of the deal isn’t imminent, but sources involved in the discussions are increasingly confident that after months of back and forth, which intensified over All-Star weekend, an agreement is within reach. TNT’s David Aldridge first reported that talks between the teams had picked up.

One of the hang-ups in the deal, sources said, could be the Knicks’ inclusion of either Harrington or Hughes. There are slight variations of the trade that would change depending on which of the two veteran Knicks’ expiring contracts are included. With Harrington over Hughes in the deal, the Rockets wouldn’t need to include Cook.

For the Knicks, the trade would accomplish two important things: First, it would get Jeffries’ salary cleared out, something general manager Donnie Walsh has tried to do since taking the job. This would give the Knicks even more flexibility to be a major player in this summer’s free-agent market. Also, the Knicks want to take a good look at McGrady and let him play as much of a role as he can handle the rest of the season. They may consider re-signing him for next season, based on his performance.

Rockets GM Daryl Morey would get Hill, the untested eighth pick in the 2009 draft, and first-round picks that could prove valuable. This will get the Rockets a significant measure of value for McGrady, who they exiled in December. McGrady, sources said, is excited about the possibility of joining the Knicks.”

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  • GoBlueKnicks

    I get that this move is geared towards going for the playoffs this year and dumping Jefferies, but how on earth can we even think to be competitive if we are trading away 3 somewhat legitimate 4/5′s. This leaves zero depth at the 4-5 position

    If this deal goes through then the depth chart is:

    1 – duhon/nate
    2 – mcgrady/nate/hughes
    3 – chandler
    4 – gallo
    5 – lee

    Unless Eddy Curry is planning on playing again this year, this deal could really hurt this team and make them even worse to watch.

  • BiggieSmalls

    Too much to give up..

    Two first rounders (hill and 2012) plus a swap of 2011 to dump one year of JJ

    all eggs are squarely on the 2010 basket now

    if two LEGIT max guys dont come this summer its a FAIL

  • bklyn ton

    IF WE CAN SIGN TO MAX PLAYERS THEN HOW DO WE GO ABOUT FILLING OUT THE REST OF THE ROSTER????????????????????? COULD SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT

  • Knicks4life

    Two first round picks is way too much. Has our organization learned nothing from the Marbury and Curry trades?

    Hopefully this is Houston leaking a rumor of their offer and this is not the Knicks position.

  • HaS

    I’m speechless.

  • traps9

    I’m with you… This is steep. We save $9.55 in space, though. The stakes have been set on July 1 if this goes through.

  • itzyung1

    If The Pick Is protected Im good.

  • Pops221

    I think it’s safe to say that DW is not the type of person to throw caution to the wind. He must feel confident about getting a couple of high profile players through free agency or trade this summer. I just can’t see him taking on such risk without a great deal of confidence.

    Remember, giving away these picks is the result of poor management during the Isaiah era. He signed Jeffries to a 6-year deal when no one else would give the guy more than two.

    If you want a superstar this summer, this seems like the price that has to be paid.

  • traps9

    Holding out Harrington might mean the Bulls aren’t asking for the ’12 first for Tyrus Thomas.

  • bklyn ton

    AND IT’S ONLY SWITCHING ONE FIRST ROUND PICK FELLA’S.

  • harris

    Let’s hope this trade rumor is inaccurate. It is ridicuous for the Knicks to compromise their future like this.

    Paging Tommy Dee . . .

  • Realist_Knick_Fan

    Yeah – if this price is paid – DW better deliver during the month of July.

  • TobyKnight

    By 2012 we shouldn’t need to protect our pick, but I’d want protection on it anyways.

  • HaS

    McGrady better be healthy AND have at least 5 seasons of relatively healthy basketball in that surgically repaired knee.

    I guess Hill didn’t look all that promising after all because if he was a Amar’e-type talent with more of a defensive attitude they would be extremely stupid to trade him + picks for an extra 7 mil in cap space.

  • bklyn ton

    SCARED MONEY DON’T MAKE NO MONEY FELLA’S. ROLL THOSE DICE DONNIE!!!!!!!!!!!! I GOT THE SIDE BET’S. LOL

  • HaS

    “if two LEGIT max guys dont come this summer its a FAIL”

    The truth of the matter there probably is only 1 real max player who would consider making the jump (LeBron). Everyone else the Knicks would be overpaying.

  • TobyKnight

    Totally agree with you. If we want a championship we need to two All Stars, plus key role players.
    Gallo and Chandler in combination with two all stars is an awesome core. We just need to get a PG that can run D’Antoni’s SSOL.

    I HATE losing Hill, but if we are successful this offseason then it’s well worth it.

    Let’s just hope that Lebron doesn’t announce an extension to get Amare to Cleveland.

  • HaS

    “AND IT’S ONLY SWITCHING ONE FIRST ROUND PICK FELLA’S.”

    Trading one (Hill), switching one (2011) and trading another (2012).

  • TobyKnight

    I would like to see Curry come back and get 15-20 off the bench. Show he has some value so we can trade him over the summer for a PG.

    We are not making the playoffs this year. Would like to trade Lee now for a PG and a pick. Is there anyone out there who would want him?

  • traps9

    Switching one and giving up our first in ’12, along with our first from this year. That’s pretty steep for a guy coming off knee surgery.

    I honestly love Mac. He’s been one of my favorites as I’ve grown up. But this deal is not a free trial. This is a serious leap of faith.

  • HaS

    Oh yea, AND a 2010 2nd rounder.

  • gbaked

    the picks seem a bit much.

    I am not in love with giving up hill either, and I agree that this puts aLOT more pressure on DW this summer.

    We will see. Its a gamble, it could pay off or could backfire.

    I am not willing to go crazy off a rumor. Lets wait to see what is actually in a deal before overreacting.

  • Pops221

    To all the eternal pessimists,

    If this trade helps us land LeBron, wouldn’t it have been worth it?

  • HaS

    “By 2012 we shouldn’t need to protect our pick,”

    This was the thinking when the trades for Curry and Marbury went down.

  • traps9

    LOL I gots my moneys on Grits ‘n Gravy

    http://bit.ly/u6QZO

  • johnmcg

    yes, but how are we assured of this, and we’ve given up one of our highest draft picks in 20 years.

    YIKES!

  • BiggieSmalls

    I think there are 4 max guys

    lebron, Wade, bosh, Joe Johnson

    Maybe Amare will get a max too

    but the option for a trade for another max type exists outside the FA class… Not sure who that is .. Hopefully a PG

  • dbruno

    Agreed. Or even a combo of Bosh/Johnson Bosh/Wade, Im OK with it.

  • JustinCharles

    Dumb trade….giving up wayyyy too much to rid ourselves of Jeffries contract. McGrady is worthless. It is not worth two #1s, switching ’11 picks, and a 2nd rounder.

  • BiggieSmalls

    DVJ ??

  • dogmanx23

    So this rumored deals are…

    Al/Hill/Jeffries/2012 1st rd pick/2010 2nd rd pick/swapping the 2011 1st rd pick for mcgrady/dorsey

    or

    Hill/Jeffries/Hughes/2012 1st rd pick/2010 2nd rd pick/swapping the 2011 1st rd pick for Mcgrady/Cook/Dorsey.

    I hate the idea of giving up all those picks to get rid of Jeffries. But id be all for it if it includes Curry instead of Jeffries. Another thing either of these trades saves Houston a shitload of money this year, puts them under the luxury tax and will get $4M bonus from the NBA. I hope Donnie is trying to swap Eddy for Jeffries and throw cash in the deal.

    I think its fine if its only players are involved but the picks being involved unless its Eddy and not Jeffries, Walsh is getting really taken to school here. (Lebron or no Lebron in 2010)

  • Pops221

    Absolutely nothing is assured, but do you really think DW would have made this move if he thought it would hurt the chances of getting LeBron or another superstar?

    Doesn’t it seem somewhat reasonable to assume that DW heard through the grapevine that LeBron would feel more comfortable if the Knicks had more room in order to sign him and one of his buddies?

    Inherently, this isn’t a great trade, but I also believe that it wasn’t done blindly. DW must have heard something to make him believe the cost is necessary.

  • Knicks4life

    I think Bosh is a max player.

    Dirk also hasn’t signed an extension in Dallas yet and he is def a max player.

  • jay from the fix

    I think this Is a decent trade if the pick is protected. Isn’t That Dorsey kid a decent player? We now have a good chance to get two max player I hate giving up hill but I think the chance of getting 2 max is greater than keeping hill I hope we don’t include al so we can get Thomas from chi town

  • Marzak

    That’s a steep price to pay. Maybe I’d consider it to dump Curry and add a decent PG from a 3rd team but not just to dump Jeffries.
    I would love to see what TMac has left, he still draws double teams which no current Knick can do and he’s clutch which is rare in the NBA.

  • Knicks4life

    Way too much, not sure what else to say.

  • joeyballz

    This is a gamble that I take…Go for it!!!!! What the heck we know this gives us a better chance at LeBron… Even if LeBron and Cavs dont make the finals it would be tough to convince him to come here by himself…..this is the right move to make at this point in our franchise…it does give us the opportunity at least to make a reasonable argument to one of the greatest that will ever lace it up…we need a 2nd or close to 2nd max to have a chance at him….F…IT..Go for it Donny…we never been in position before to even have a chance at this lets go out and give ourselves the best opportunity…

  • BiggieSmalls

    Dirk isn’t going anywhere owed 22 mil in 2010

    if anything he signs an extension for around 18 per like Duncan did

  • HaS

    I don’t think Wade wants to be in NY.

    Amar’e might get a max but probably doesn’t deserve one (he could end up earning it if he would commit to rebounding and defense, which I think he would do just by being around a guy like LeBron)

    Joe Johnson, meh… but he might get one too.

    LeBron definitely deserves one.

    I guess the mere fact that they will get max contracts makes them “max guys” though.

    I wonder if this is an effort to retain Lee, I certainly hope not.

  • Knicks4life

    Why would Bosh/Wade come to NY when they could both play together in Miami? It doesn’t make any sense.

  • danisrob

    A lot to give up but I would do it, 10mil of cap space, all or nothing for once in a lifetime Lebron.

    Id love them to do this and then Harrington for Ty Thomas. Next year have a core of (hopefully) Lebron, Bosh, Chandler, Gallo with good looks at T Mac and Ty Thomas.

  • Knicks4life

    It is almost as if the second rounder is just to add insult to injury. Like an extra kick in the testaticles.

  • Hydr0

    It’s a lot of picks, but if we get 2 of those 4 guys this summer maybe it’s worth it

    Can we really be involved in such a risky trade? I still can’t believe it.

    It will be hard to build the rest of the team soley through free agency, especially when we don’t know what the CBA will be in 2011

    but you’re right, it’s 2 max guys or bust if this scenario goes though

  • SilentJay

    I agree pretty much with everything up until Amare. In my eyes, the guy doesn’t deserve a max, although knowing how things work in the market it’s very likely that he’ll see one.
    Giving up Hill seems a bit rash. It even reminds of those days that NYC GM’s would give up almost anything to get back a reminescence of a past-his-prime star. Don’t get me wrong, MAC used to be a top guy, but it’s too risky considering what would happen if 2010 or bust turns into a bust (although something positive is gonna come out of that, even if it’s Bosh and Johnson).
    If you’re gonna give up a draft pick, at least give them Douglas, since our wise coach just doesn’t seem to like him, not your 8th pick who actually shows a glimmer of hope (and that actually sees some minutes from time to time). Handing out picks like candy just doesn’t seem smart management in my eyes. Anyway…

  • BigDaddybluesman

    By giving up Hill Walsh admits to making a mistake. Do you think Walsh would trade Jennings so easily?

    Like I have been saying this group is a fraud.

  • BiggieSmalls

    It prolly is an attempt to afford lee at 11-12 mil..
    And sign another guy…
    Why else trade Hill??

    Wanna puke?? U can look at it as we are trading two number ones to afford Lee and a max guy… Ugh

  • HaS

    “Doesn’t it seem somewhat reasonable to assume that DW heard through the grapevine that LeBron would feel more comfortable if the Knicks had more room in order to sign him and one of his buddies?”

    Let’s hope a rival GM wasn’t at the other end of that grapevine just trying to sabotage the Knicks franchise and set it back ANOTHER 10 years.

  • BigBlueAL

    9.5 million of extra salary cap space this off-season. Thats all that matters. Really worried about the 2012 pick?? Im pretty sure Walsh is assuming that pick hopefully will be in the 20′s so really who cares. Im not thrilled about giving up Hill but we all knew that to shed Jeffries’ contract he would probably have to be packaged with a young guy and Id rather trade Hill than Gallo or Chandler (since Chandler actually will make less money than Hill next season).

    This isnt comparable to the Marbury and Curry trades so while I understand everyone fearing this trade becoming like those they really arent anything alike.

  • Knicks4life

    “I think this Is a decent trade if the pick is protected”

    Well everyone please stop saying this. All protected pick become unprotected at some point. Again this was the exact thinking with the IT trades. That somehow we were going to become magically good and the picks would be worthless.

    Is anyone else even bidding for McGrady? Why are we paying such a steep price. For Jeffries?

  • Knicks4life

    Trading away our future gives us a better shot at Lebron who is reportedly going to get Amare as a sidekick?

  • Jack D

    If this trade goes down, it proves that our 2009 draft was an F.

  • NY in 2010

    This deal gives the Knicks a shot at really attracting free agents in the offseason. This team the way it is currently constructed is not going to win anything anytime soon. By making this trade it gives them the possibility of becoming something in the offseason. Its 100% a gamble, but its a gamble they should definitely make.

  • Jack D

    Im not knocking the trade or anything, just pointing out the fact about the 2009 draft.

  • danisrob

    Pretty savvy from Morey if he gets this for taking JJ for 1 year.

  • ds2488

    Just get this done without the 2012 pick thrown in, other than that way too much just to get rid of Jeffries. Can we throw in TD instead of Hill if we are giving up 2012, even though I still wouldn’t do that anyway. Way too much, do not do it DW.

  • Knicks4life

    This trade has me sick.

  • bklyn ton

    I SAY GO FOR IT DONNIE EITHER WAY. I JUST HOPE THAT WE’RE NOT GIVING UP AS MUCH AS IS BEING REPORTED. BUT TO GET LEBRON DO WE REALLY CARE???????????

  • Jack D

    If McGrady plays half as good as he did in his prime, it would benefit us this year (maybe next year too). If not, no big deal because our team next year will be completely different.

  • Jack D

    it’s a BIG BIG fail. And our 2009 draft will look even worse.

  • Jack D

    **it would be a BIG BIG fail

  • LBJ2010

    I’m not a Lee fan at all – but HaS, if you say Amare might commit to defense and rebounding merely by being on Lebron’s watch, why wouldn’t you think Lee would do the same if LBJ came here next year?

  • DVJ

    I told you Hill isn’t going anywhere unless Jeffries is involved in the deal.

    I don’t think Donnie would give away draft picks like that. If they are protected then I’m all for the trade.

    If their not protected, then I say don’t do it.

    Good trade!! (If the picks are protected)
    I am not a fan of giving away 1st round picks.

    Stay patient my friends.

  • Jack D

    Right but Toby DID say he would want protection anyways. Like a just-in-case type of thing.

  • joeyballz

    What future!!! Are you sold on Hill…Even if we get a Joe Johnson this year, and another decent player next year, we should be decent enough where hopefully the 1st rounder wont be a lottery pick anyways…listen Donny is not going to wait a year to spend his cap money…its either we get 1 or hopefully 2 of the big 2/3 or we spend our money on a second tier star that wont put us over the hump and or keep us from ever getting past the second round of the playoffs…

    Go For it Man

  • Jack D

    Us out-bidding each other..reminds me of Houston’s 100 mil contract

  • Jack D

    It seems like ALL Knicks trade rumors are inaccurate, then at the final hour we do a deal that noone even thought of

  • CircleLimit4

    That’s a toughie. It’s a big risk, but double max room is a pretty nice reward.

    If we got some combo of Lebron, Wade, Bosh Johnson. The chances are pretty good that our 2011 1st round pick wouldn’t be all that great. In fact, the Knicks might be the one swapping for a better pick that year if Yao doesn’t return to form for Houston. The Knicks 2012 could be a late first rounder if they use the cap from Curry wisely.

    But… if we fail to grab 2 big stars then they’re screwed.

    I’m torn. Maybe if Donnie could somehow squeeze Lowry into the deal I’d warm up to it more. Losing Hill isn’t ideal.

  • Jack D

    Yup.

    The reward is greater than the risk.

  • Hydr0

    I don’t think that’s their plan. please no

  • Hydr0

    man, i think i see where you get your name from lol

  • http://www.thiswebsiteissoawesome.com/ The Frankman

    I’m really not sure about this deal… giving up Hill and possibly 2 picks? REALLY? Plus I’d rather give up Douglas than Hill since Knicks could use a big.

  • HaS

    “I’m not a Lee fan at all – but HaS, if you say Amare might commit to defense and rebounding merely by being on Lebron’s watch”

    _avi_ is gutless and has no pride, at least Amar’e will show flashes of a mean streak on the defensive end.

    Stoudemire also averages 1 block a game and averaged 2 blocks two seasons ago.

    Lee?

    .4, for some perspective, Nate is averaging .2 playing 13 minutes less… off the bench.

  • GoBlueKnicks

    From Yahoo!:

    “Nevertheless, here are two developments to watch with Thomas: Several league executives suggested the Minnesota Timberwolves could be a sleeper for him. Minnesota general manager David Kahn has been researching Thomas and has plenty of assets – three 2010 first-round picks, multiple second-rounders and a host of expiring contracts – to make it happen. Once the Timberwolves trade Al Jefferson(notes) this summer, they can re-sign Thomas and plug him into the frontline with Kevin Love(notes). Jefferson is expected to be traded for a talented, young small forward.”

    David Kahn is such a joke. This guy drafts two pg’s in the lottery, signs another as a free agent and then is looking to trade his best player for a young small forward. I think its pretty clear Rubio will NEVER play in Minnesota so…

    Here is a deal that makes sense for everyone.

    Rubio for Chandler

    Boom. Done. Knicks win it all in 2011

  • REELTALKSHAKES

    I LIKE THIS TRADE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO GET RID OF BUM A$$ JEFFRIES I’M ALLLLLLLL FOR IT….LOL

    and i guess this shows we finally admit we made a mistake on this yr’s draft pick….GOD CAN U GUYS IMAGINE WHERE’D WE BE W/ JENNINGS RUNNING THE TEAM RIGHT NOW….:(

    but my only question is what does this stilllllll mean for our biggest need, THE PG POSITION????? anything on Ridnour???what does milw want???

    and i guess if we get rid of hughes instead of harrington, we can still ship harrington to chicago for ty thomas…..

    i really think we can make the playoffs this team if we have a lineup of:
    ridnour
    mcgrady
    gallo/chandler
    ty thomas
    Lee

  • itzyung1

    Just like Knick fans to complain about something that hasn’t even happened and isn’t even assured to happen.

  • harris

    Just saw an article online which says that Amare has “no interest going to Cleveland”; and that as a result the Cavaliers “are looking at other options”.

    Interesting.

  • CircleLimit4

    A deal like this facilitates a commitment to win now and not build for the long run. That’s perilous strategy.

  • TobyKnight

    Yes. For Jeffries.
    Come up with another deal in which we can dump Jeffries salary and then call Donnie.

  • TobyKnight

    ??????

    Who are you calling a fraud?

  • the oak

    The way I look at it we are trading Hill and a first round pick for Jeffries cap space.

    Shouldn’t even look at expirings in this deal including Mcgrady.

    Horrible

  • TobyKnight

    If DW gets two Max FAs this offseason, I don’t care about the 2009 Draft.

  • JLS125

    stop it…. :)

  • the oak

    And If we do actually trade Hill, then that tells me the staff isn’t that high on him.

    And if they are high on him and we still trade him than that makes this deal even worse.

  • TobyKnight

    I think we would all choose to replace Hill with TD, but do you really think Houston would go for that?

    Remember that we can buy 2nd round and perhaps first round picks from teams with multiple picks looking to pick up some cash.

  • REELTALKSHAKES

    OR ANYWAY WE CAN GET PARGO IN THE TY THOMAS DEAL FOR AL???

    i do wanna hear more on the draft picks, cause I DO NOT ever want to be back in the positon we’re in this yr, w/ a possible lottery on the way and prospects such as wall, bledsoe, wes johnson, and cousins coming out and we can’t do anything about it… :(

  • HaS
  • JLS125

    gotta be creative. it’s the price to pay for the legacy of crap deals over the past 10+ years…

    $9.5M more space in 2010. We can be serious players for these FA. If anything else, we can pay to have a complete and competitive team. Better basektball to watch.

    http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64721/20100215/knicks_rockets_near_t_mac_deal_that_includes_jeffries_hill/

  • HaS

    CAPS LOCK DOESN’T MAKE THIS A GOOD TRADE OR GUARANTEE THE KNICKS THAT LEBRON IS COMING!!!!!!!!!!!

  • DWknickfan

    As much as I like te potential in Jordan Hill, I would do this deal in a second to rid JJs salary if it wasn’t for these picks being included. We are giving the 8th pick overall, do we really need to throw other pics in there. I hope this leak includes some incorrect details because that is too much. McGrady will fit in well with our team, better than anyone we are trading (if he’s not playing on one leg).

  • HaS

    “I would like to see Curry come back and get 15-20 off the bench…”

    Um… you do know who the Knicks’ coach is, don’t you?

  • DVJ

    Why would Amare want to go to Cleveland?

    Especially when Lebron won’t commit to them.
    Also Shaq is there..

    Been there done that already.

    Amare wants to go to South Beach.

    I personally think PHX is a larger market than Cleveland lol.

    No dice between Cleveland and PHX.

    They better get Murphy…to bad he won’t help much.

  • joetheknick

    This cannot be a bad move. DW just picked up 10 million in cap space. We are in a terrible recession. Phoenix is dumping Stoudemire for JJ Hickman. This is just the beginning. Many teams are going to be pulling in its purse strings. Many FA’s are going to be looking for deals and few teams are going to be making any offers. This summer could be a bonanza for the Knicks who will have plenty of money to make signifcant upgrades. This is a once in a lifetime for us fans. Go Knicks.

  • HaS

    Your tone seems a little subdued tonight.

    Are you ok?

    Not feeling so confident?

    No signature “In Donnie We Trust”?

    Or the always effective “LMAO”?

  • Gusurena

    Competitive? are you kidding me? Aside from the month of december the Knicks have been unwatchable. The rest of this season was over anyways. DW had no choice here. That’s the only way of getting rid of JJ.
    I am on board with this. It’s the only chance we have to land the best player in the league. Nothing else matters.

  • JLS125

    via REALGM

    “In a part of the deal described as “fluid,” the Knicks might swap 2011 picks with the Rockets and/or send their 2012 pick to Houston. One of New York’s 2010 second-round picks could also be sent to the Rockets.“

  • BiggieSmalls

    so next year we can trade Curry and two more number ones for a washed up injured expiring deal?

    jk.jk.

  • joeyballz

    No doubt….this summer is it…others have said it…we didnt throw away two seasons of to end up with Joe Johnson…Paraphrasing’s one of Biggie’s last posts in another thread “if we strike out with one of the big dogs this summer Donnie Walsh get an F”….Well you know what go for it…I dont care too much for Hill anyways

  • the oak

    I wouldn’t call them a fraud.

    But I agree that they would basically be admitting that they screwed up. If they thought Hill was going to be a really good player they wouldn’t trade him.

  • Gusurena

    Who cares. If you have Lebron and Bosh or Lebron and Wade, who cares….They won’t need much.

  • BluEandOrange

    Oh lord no.

    The Knicks CANNOT lose anymore future 1st Round draft picks.

    If this is Hughes, Jeffries, and Hill for McGrady, Cook, and Dorsey straight up then okay. BUT DO NOT INCLUDE ANY DRAFT PICKS DONNIE!

    We’ve have already been burdened by a decade of lost draft picks!

  • DVJ

    “In a part of the deal described as “fluid,” the Knicks might swap 2011 picks with the Rockets and/or send their 2012 pick to Houston. One of New York’s 2010 second-round picks could also be sent to the Rockets.”

    I think the Knicks will just end up swapping picks with Houston in 2011.

    We won’t be sending them a 2012 first round pick.

    That just won’t happen.

    If this is the case….

    Great Trade!!

    Can anybody say almost $35 million in cap space this summer?

    Wow!!!

    Stay Patient My Friends.

  • johneco

    WTF
    That’s way too much to give up… unless he has an under the table deal in place…

  • HaS

    “Why would Amare want to go to Cleveland?”

    To play with LeBron?

    Or isn’t that sales pitch the Knicks would be using to lure “Free Agent 1a” to be “Robin” to his Batman?

    Something about this story seems fake.

  • itzyung1

    Id accept swapping picks next year and even protecting the picks but whats going on now is a lil too much.

  • Gusurena

    This is absolutely not about Tmac. It’s about getting rid off JJ’s contract. A chance to land two max free agents. Actually, a chance to land Lebron. Lebron was not coming if Knix didn’t have room for a complementary player. It’s all about Lebron folks. Nothing else matters.

  • BiggieSmalls

    do DVJ>. just so we have you on record.. If DOnnie INCLUDES a 2012 first rounder it’s a fail using your rose colored glasses?

    wow.. that would make it near unanimous.. Time for a poll TD>. lets see where erryone stands..

    I think if this is a ploy to resign Lee for 11 plus mil and afford another max guy we should march ion the garden and demand Donnie’s head on a platter

  • Jeff C

    9.5 more million makes it possible to sign two max guys next summer…

    A sacrifice is being made; but if the sacrifice wasn’t made, and we therefor couldn’t follow through on the plan, HaS and biggie would still be giving us grief.

    A choice had to be made. You would have been pissed if they didn’t trade Jeffries, but if they do what’s necessary to get it done, you’re pissed as well.

    You’re just pissed; and you have a right to be.

  • Mucha

    This deal would be AWFUL.

    Let’s deal the only guy who’s willing to play defense in the paint lol, Jordan Hill will be a really good NBA player folks. This alone is Isiah-ish… PLUS another first round draft pick? Are you kidding me? I can’t understand why we’re not hearing about deals regarding David Lee and Nate Robinson.

  • Jeff C

    no shots.

    But another 9.5 mil opens up a whole new level of possibilities for the summer. And that was the plan; so let’s see if it works.

  • Gusurena

    Are you comparing NY market to Miami’s market? Listen, I live in Miami. There is nothing like NY. Lebron knows it. I don’t think Wade does. Nevertheless, I like Lebron better.

  • BluEandOrange

    DETAILS TO NOTE:

    Myles is incorrect in saying the deal can be Harrington, Jeffries, and Hill for McGrady, Cook, and Dorsey.

    Harrington, Jeffries, and Hill is approximately $19 MM while T-Mac, Cook, and Dorsey is about $$26.5 MM. The 125% plus $100,000 rule is infringed by the Knicks because they are taking back too much salary therefore this deal cannot be done.

    But if the Knicks were to add say Chris Duhon…

    … or exchange Harrington with Hughes then the deal could work.

  • CircleLimit4

    “And If we do actually trade Hill, then that tells me the staff isn’t that high on him.”

    It could mean they’re very confident in nabbing 2 big names this summer and see no other way of unloading Jeffries, or they’re working another deal to get a pick/young talent.

    Regardless, if Walsh really sees no future in Hill, then I’d rather have him swallow his pride and unload Hill rather than have his value depreciate further on the Knicks bench.

  • itzyung1

    Which one would you do ? Swap next years picks and give them a second round pick for this year or just give them a 2012 pick?

  • Jeff C

    I agree that another 1st round pick in addition to hill is too much. I somehow doubt that would happen; the innitial rumors are never entirely accurate.

    2 possible lotto pics is a bit much.

  • Gusurena

    Again, this trade is not about McGrady. It’s about a chance to land Lebron; and Lebron was not coming if Knix didn’t have the cap space for a buddy. Get it?

  • Mucha

    *involving

  • BluEandOrange

    I am with you Mucha. Don’t trade the number 8 pick. If this was Hughes, Douglas, and Jeffries then okay, but Hill?

    Donnie Walsh is going to be chased out of NY with pitchforks if LeBron/Bosh/Wade does not come here and this tragedy of a deal is done.

  • Gusurena

    Lebron adds about 200 mill to the value of the Cavaliers franchise. Yes, its about Lebron and he is worth it.

  • BiggieSmalls

    i dont need anyone to talk for me.. i said this immediately following the runor and i stick by it..

    id do it if it were JJ and Hill .. and even a swap of future first rounders.. I think the second first rounder is too much.. AND ..

    if Donnie is doing this to afford Lee and a max guy Im really giving an F..

    if the deal goes thru assuming a 53 mil cap .. we will have 32.5 mil free.. that is with renouncing everyone.. including Lee and Nate..

  • dbruno

    bc they don’t fill the seats in Miami and honestly Wade still doesn’t get the respect of a LeBron or Kobe.

    Plus Miami is not much more talented than the Knicks.

    Bosh doesn’t appear to be moving anywhere by Thursday and if Miami doesn’t get Stoudemire, maybe he tests the waters and Bosh follows suit.

    NYC> Miami for sports towns. That makes sense to me

  • Hydr0

    I’m fine with the guys involved, even hill…but not the picks

    If I’m a Rockets fan, I am praying that this deal goes through as is…all those picks for tracey mcgrady and 1 more year of overpaying jeffries by about $3.5 million…bring it on

    it’s too many picks, i think i pass…begrudgedly

  • gbaked

    “All protected pick become unprotected at some point.”

    ???

  • Gusurena

    Wouldn’t you pay this if this is the only chance to get Lebron?
    DW is buying the oportunity to land Lebron. Wouldn’t you do it?

  • BiggieSmalls

    i think it was Hughes with Cook & Dorsey on the other side or Harrington and one of them.

  • SilentJay

    Yeah sure, protected is good, but it’s ridiculous to give that much. What happens if the guy gets serious burn and gets injured?
    Waaay too much. Maybe, MAYBE, Douglas and future 2nd rounders plus whoever turns out being included in the deal.
    I know Walsh wants to go as hard as possible at the FA’s coming up, if they don’t resign that is. Too eager to make a late attempt to the playoffs isn’t worth it. I’d do anything to lose JJ’s contract, but sometimes you have to draw the line and just say “no, it’s just too much to give up”. It’s almost like he’s sure that it’ll be a successful summer.
    I’d actually rather give serious thought at the idea of trading Lee for a 1st round pick plus young guys with upside. After all, this team is in a rebuilding process, right?

  • gbaked

    thats not true

    it got a player that is respected enough to be included. It would be a fail if we drafted someone who the rockets had no interest in.

    If anything it should raise the grade on the draft pick. Because a GM like the guy in Houston values him.

  • CircleLimit4

    Donnie should try to swing Lee and Nate for a couple of picks, then this deal would be an easier pill to swallow.

  • DVJ

    You do know the difference between Cleveland and NY right Has?

    There’s a big difference between those 2 markets.

    One is a lot more sexier than the other one.

    LMAO

  • BiggieSmalls

    if the swap in 2011 and the first in 2012 wasnt included you would have a point.

  • Gusurena

    Are you valuing Hill more than Lee? Caps space for two max contracts or Caps space for one max contract, Lee and a decent point guard. It’s worth it.

  • SilentJay

    Yes, it’d be great if LBJ comes here, but there’s just no way to know this, which applies as well to Wade, Bosh and Johnson (I don’t really think of Amare as a max contract guy, too injury prone, no D).
    Maybe DW can see the future. If so, he should look ahead and see what players we might get from those picks we’d be giving up, maybe those turn out to be great players too.

  • BiggieSmalls

    I don’t view lee as anywhere near a max player

    if this trade facilitates giving lee 8 digits it Is a fail

  • Hydr0

    Lee and Robinson are BYC and have to agree to the trade…they’re tough to move

  • Realist_Knick_Fan

    B/c base year players such as Lee and Robinson are extremely difficult to deal (plus the veto right).

  • DVJ

    Wow, the blog is giddy tonight LOL.

    We will not trade 2 first round picks plus Jordan Hill.

    It won’t happen so get over it.

    We will swap picks in 2011 or 2012 or we will send them our 2011 or 2012 first rounder AND IT WILL BE PROTECTED.

    Something Isiah must have forgot about during the Curry trade he pulled off.

    LMAO

  • BluEandOrange

    Ok, that definitely makes more sense.

    Still no sense in losing more of the future in this deal. Aren’t the Knicks about rebuilding for the future? You don’t compromise draft picks.

    I am resigned to Hill being traded to get this deal done, but the Rockets aren’t losing anything significant and therefore are not in line to gain anything significant such as the Knicks 2012 first round pick or any first round picks for that matter.

    Okay, the Rockets are acquiring Jeffries, but at least they acquire Hill.
    With the Wizards already ridding Butler and Haywood, the Knicks have leverage here to pressure the Rockets to take less.

    This deal should be Harrington, Jeffries, and Hill for McGrady and Joey Dorsey straight up. Then the Knicks buyout Milicic or Duhon and to create roster space/

  • HaS

    19 wins at the All-Star break and no playoff wins in the 1st decade of the millennium doesn’t look so sexy at all to me.

    43-11 though is very attractive. No need for Viagra there.

    I don’t think there will be a clause in his contract that he has to give up his summer home in Miami to join the Cavs. How many Knick players have actually lived in New York City anyway?

  • k-hodge

    Biggie, I’d agree. That is WAYYYY too much to give up. I’d give either OR, but not both. I’d give Hill plus a 2nd rounder, and even let you swap picks since they’re willing to take Jared’s contract, but that’s where it stops. Anything beyond that is giving up the store.

  • BluEandOrange

    It won’t happen so get over it? Maybe you missed the last 10 years of Knicks stupidity and futility. Under James Dolan, anything idiotic can happen. Look at how pathetic the Knicks and Rangers have been ever since his reign.

  • bob go knicks

    hey H E R I !

  • HaS

    “… HaS and biggie would still be giving us grief.”

    LOL

  • SilentJay

    If I was 100% sure tha LBJ and Bosh/Johnson were coming here. Yes. But the fact is, we have no idea.

  • harris

    It’s all the fault of the “Knicks Chick” who did that video on how much she dislikes JJ, Once the Rockets people saw that video via youtube, they demanded that Donnie give up the farm. A fine mess you’ve now created Knicks Chick!

  • Gusurena

    Some of you guys have a view of Hill that makes me wonder what have you seen in him. He’s not Evans, Stephen Curry or Jennings. This is what Eric Pincus think about the trade:

    EricPincus: interesting rumor from @WojYahooNBA on the knicks – they’d seriously throw a parade in Manhattan if that got that done

    I agree with him.

  • Gusurena

    I agree 1000%

  • TobyKnight

    How likely is it we could buy a second rounder?

  • Qaspec

    Why does this trade make me think of Donnie Walsh as Andy Dufresne and Morey and the Rockets as the “Sisters”?

    -”I wish I could tell you that Andy fought the good fight, and the Sisters let him be. I wish I could tell you that – but the trade deadline is no fairy-tale world.”

  • bob go knicks

    yeah,if he gives up 2 first rounders he better be positive that he can sign two guys

  • bob go knicks

    thats what zeke said

  • dino2008

    id do this in a heart beat. the swapping of picks would most likely BENEFIT US next year. come on folks, if donnie can offer two max deals lebron 100 percent is coming there is no doubt in my mind. watch donnie then look to sign both bosh and lbj while trading wilson for a legitimate pg…… ricky rubio (hey, if minny gets the number one you never know) my point is depending on who gets the number one pick there will be a pg who will be avaible to trade for. 2 max fa is the ONLY way we will have a CHANCE at seeing a championship in the near future. i am 100 percent for this deal… get it done donnie. i like jordan hill, but he is at last 2 or 3 years away from contributing. if you think lebron is going to leave his team and wait for our guys to develop you are crazy. this is a deal that donnie must do. then RENOUNCE lee and nate and hey toney douglas becomes your combo guard off the bench and the pick makes sense after all. i would like to see donnie try to move lee and nate for picks or something of value, so we dont let them go for nothing though.

  • trenttucker

    I know that I am way late to this party, but this deal seems like way too much to give up for moving JJ’s contract. Hill, the pick swap, and a 2012 pick for $7m in cap space? No way. It must mean they want to keep Lee. I’d rather have Hill (not to mention the draft picks). Yuck.

  • bob go knicks

    maybe he forgot to take his meds

  • TobyKnight

    No way is Houston taking back Curry.
    Jeffries is at a least a decent player (albeit an overpaid one).
    If I were DW, I would insist on it being Hughes and not Al, as we can probably trade Al for another useful piece, (Thomas?) and perhaps a pic.

    If I were DW I would be on the phone with every other GM trying to figure out what it would cost to package Jeffries to them. If Sacramento were willing to give up Kenny Thomas for Jeffries and TD and a 2012 first, I would go back to Houston and tell them that either they accept TD instead of Hill or we go with Sacramento and Houston gets bubkus for McGrady.

    Assuming the Kings, or another team, were willing to take Jeffries if he came along with Tony Douglas and a first rounder, would you rather have T-Mac for the last 30 games of the season, or keep Hill?

    I would prefer to keep Hill. We could always sign T-Mac as a FA if we want him.
    I’m just not sure that this other option exists.

    Thoughts?

  • REELTALKSHAKES

    yea that is correct, w/ hughes cook and dorsey are thrown in, which would make it only about a 3mill difference(bout 24 n 27), which we’ll prb throw in cash, or equals out w/ the draft picks…

  • Gusurena

    Well, you can make it a 100% that it doesn’t happen by not having the caps space.

    There are no certainties. Only probabilities. Having cap space for a second max contract increases the probability of landing the one Lebron James. It’s the only opportunity the Knicks have to land the best player in the league, and to me, it’s worth it.

  • trenttucker

    If this is done for Lee, I’m going to seriously consider becoming a Nets fan.

  • dino2008

    why do you say that biggie. i see more of a bosh lbj with trading wilson for a legitimate pg who will be available depending on who gets the number 1 pick……

    amare wade v.s. LBJ BOSH

    wow…. knicks vs heat rivalary is back!

  • Gusurena

    Everybody knew that, even before the season started. It was all about 2010 buddy.

  • josh h

    agreed.

  • Gusurena

    Please, do so. We don’t need pesimist here.

  • DVJ

    Like I said…get over it.

    Do you think Obama will make the same mistakes as Bush just because Bush was president before him?

    New management…..New Rules.

    Stay patient my friend.

    Just a heads up.

    This isn’t the only trade we’ll make in my opinion but as you all know…my opinion doesn’t mean anything.

    LMAO

    In Donnie…..

  • Brad Lohaus

    How is this way too much? Do you guys want to stand pat with Hill and JJ and only be able to offer one max contract and end up with only Joe Johnson andmaybe resign Lee? It’s a risk worth taking, we’ve been wanting to get rid of JJ for years now

  • TobyKnight

    I take it you’ve never been to Cleveland…

  • DVJ

    Excellent post!!

  • DVJ

    It’s actually closer to 10 million coming off the books.

    How does $35 million in cap space sound?

  • Gusurena

    Even if that max is Lebron James? Biggie, Lebron is worth like 5 first round picks. Clarify your point.

  • TobyKnight

    Swap next year’s pick and give them this years 2nd rounder.

    We can likely purchase another 2nd rounder, and if we sign 2 Max FAs then swapping with Houston in 2011 is not likely to be a major shift, it any at all.

  • totti

    From overseas:

    are you fool or what? This is a great trade.
    2 big guys coming. You don’t realize yet. You will.

    mac grady, maybe
    one big
    second big
    chandler
    gallo

  • TobyKnight

    Lebron will let DW know if he prefers Lee or Bosh. 32.5 gets you either.
    If Lee were to sign for 11 you might be able to get another PG and that might be worth replacing Bosh with Lee. I guarantee you it will come down to what LBJ wants.

  • Gusurena

    Wait a minute, that’s not true. Didn’t we have a first round pick in 2009?
    How about 2008? Did you remember Channing Frye? We had our share of picks. We just didn’t make good ones. What good does it to have a pick if we can’t make the right pick?

  • bob go knicks

    FIRE DONNIE!

  • dino2008

    sounds like lebron and bosh to me! i wouldnt mind lebron and that joe johnson guy either….. or hey maybe even wade and lebron… if wade didnt mind the cold! aka it sounds pretty damn good to me!

  • totti

    Biggie,
    you master well the escapes of this crazy cap system, then is it possible to have a good pg via a sign and trade with lee this summer?

  • bob go knicks

    yeah ,one team has 40 wins the other 19

  • BluEandOrange

    Did you forget about Isiah Thomas already?

  • italian stallion

    If Walsh trades anything at all of long term value to the Knicks in an effort to move Jeffries on year sooner (especially if it includes us getting the worst of various pick swaps) I’m going to sign a petition to bring Isiah back because only a retarded imbecile or a very old senile man would make a move like that.

    Tracy McGrady is DONE DONE FUCKING DONE.

    He’s been declining for 5 years and hasn’t even played much in two years. He’s a rent a player and expiring contract and nothing more!!! The chances of him regaining his better form are FUCKING ZERO!!! Only a total imbecile that knows nothing about sports could possibly think otherwise.

    To give up Hill and better picks etc… for a rent a player just to move Jeffries one year sooner would be so FUCKING STUPID even Isiah is laughing.

    If this deal gets done I am finished with the Knicks forever.

  • bob go knicks

    and you know this wont happen how?

  • TobyKnight

    Why is closer to 10 mil?

    How much is Jeffries’ contract?

    Not sure how this indicates that we want to keep Lee?

    If we can get Bosh and LBJ we are not resigning DLee.

  • trenttucker

    If they resign Lee with that space then I’m becoming a Nets fan. If they get Lebron and Bosh, they are still very thin. Gallo, Chandler, and who? Bender, Landry, Douglas… And no draft pick in 2012? And no 2nd rounder this year?

  • bob go knicks

    Lebron aint commin here

  • TobyKnight

    can you have McGrady AND Two Bigs?
    How does that work cap wise?

  • trenttucker

    Because we also lose Hill, our only big man defensive presence after Jared Jeffries. So who plays center? Bender? And who plays PG? I have a very bad feeling that this is meant to resign Lee. Yuck.

  • BiggieSmalls

    There is enough room for one max guy without doing this trade .. This fAcilitates a second big contract

    if that second big contract is lee then fail

    if that sEcond one is a real difference maker then all good.. But it is a big price totake the chance of netting two real difference makers this year

    no guarantees of anything happening thus summer. U trade anything 4 lebron but that is not what is happening

  • joeyballz

    If im reading Tommy’s Twitter posts right I think hes stating the holdup is that Walsh is looking for the Rockets 1st rounder this year……

  • joetheknick

    Don’t understand why Biggie is injecting David Lee into this conversation. I thought it was already decided that Lee and Robinson would get renounced on July 1st and be unrestricted free agents. They cannot possibly be the best players available to the Knicks? What am I missing? I thought the plan was to go after the big fish?

  • TobyKnight

    Nice. Would like that very much!

  • BluEandOrange

    What in the world are you talking about? You just made my point for me. Bush doubled the debt after Clinton’s tenure and then Obama doubled the national debt after Bush. Essentially, Obama quadrupled the debt since Clinton’s tenure.

    So you just made my point that despite America’s regime change, no change has been done for the people. Thanks for making my point!

    That is the same with Donnie after Isiah. Don’t assume because management changed personel that the philosophy changed as well.

    You are a blind Knicks fan DVJ. Seriously. Its one thing to be a smart fan and another to be a blind one that drinks the kool aid.

    P.S.

    Obama is actually worse than Bush so you made my point even further.

  • bob go knicks

    whoops! Donnie farted

  • italian stallion

    Put down the crack pipe.

    Lebron is going to stay in Cleveland because he likes Cleveland, built a massive mansion there, was born right there, and the Cavs are the best or 2nd best team in the NBA right now with an excellent chance to win. They also have a ton of good assets that can be used selectively to improve the team over the long haul. etc… . The chances of him coming here are close to zero. Other than that crack pipe dream your thinking is sound.

  • trenttucker

    This is way too much. Hill and a first round pick just to get a team to take Jeffries for one year? Ridiculous. Especially because it probably means we are resigning Lee. Darryl Morey is a great GM. Can’t we work out a trade with one of the ex-player idiots working as GMs?

  • Hydr0

    i said i’m ok with trading hill, what are you talking about?

  • DVJ

    “Obama is actually worse than Bush so you made my point even further.”

    Your posts have gone on ignore for the rest of this season.

    I’ll think about listening to you again at the start of preseason.

    “Thanks for making my point!”

    Your welcome.

    LMAO

  • bob go knicks

    how about NO LEBRON! What then?

  • BiggieSmalls

    When was that decided?

  • Gusurena

    You are funny Knicks4life. Are you telling me that the current Knicks don’t make you sick already? I don’t see the potential in JHill that some of you guys do. And I actually believe that Chandler is better and more of a keeper than Gallinari. I love the fact that DW is creating enough cap space for two max free agents. That’s the best chance to land Lebron and that’s all I ask. And the fact that Lebron won’t garantee that he will sign with the Cavs, even if the Cavs commit to Amare is very telling.

    Thanks god that you, or Biggie or HaS are not DW. You guys don’t seem like Knicks fans. You guys most be Cavs fans posting as Knicks fans with your constant pessimism.

  • young hova

    Because of Hill’s $2.7 mill coming off as well.

  • trenttucker

    I’m not biggie, how could we do a sign and trade for David Lee? We won’t have his Bird rights, unless we use his $10.5m cap hold. That’s kind of a big gamble.

    And thanks for calling me a “fool” earlier. I hope your IQ is higher than that of the real totti, although I have my doubts.

  • dino2008

    then why doesnt he just sign the extension already, so that players will see that he is staying and go to the cavs. lebron is clearly NOT SURE of his future…… if you bring in chris bosh then why would lebron want to stay with the cavs. there is no 1a option of the cavs at all.

  • dino2008

    bosh and joe johnson…… ill take it.

  • DVJ

    Why all the curses?

    We can understand you without the cursing.

    How is the weather out there in Chicago?
    How does McGrady look?

    You seem to think he’s done so I’m guessing you’ve seen him recently right?

  • dino2008

    ….. it wasnt.

  • Hydr0

    when exactly was that decision made and who made it?

  • dino2008

    that one year sooner is HUGE. there is no free agent out there besides melo, who is staying in denver that we can get. your chances of landing KING JAMES increase tremendously by bringing in another max free agent. maybe you are the old senile man…… walsh is a buisness man he knows what he is doing.

  • young hova

    When you and HaS and others decided that only miserable stuff will happen from this trade, such as us resigning Lee as one of our “big fish”, though of cousre you do have an excellent point

    Honestly I think it is a bit much to give up the 1st rder along with everything else and wouldn’t be so upset if we agreed to exchange picks in 2 drafts then just giving them one, as well as the fact I think odds are bad that we are getting Lebron or Wade (Bosh, Stoudemire are not max guys in my opinion, and would prefer Johnson over either) but I can understand the risk. I really don’t think Hill is impressive and odds are we would blow the 2012 pick anyway

  • dino2008

    thanks!

  • joeyballz

    I dont understand why Houston would give the Knicks a first this year….that changes the dynamics of the deal completely….why would Houston do that? Donny’s reaching but I THINK he would settle for the terms posted above

  • dino2008

    in 2011 that is of course.

  • totti

    I know you’re not biggie, even if my iq is so low, as you say
    i’m asking to biggie who seems handle this machiavellic system, if there is a way to spend more money via a sign and trade with lee, for example, given we spend our 35mil with two big fa.

  • harris

    lol-at least the Knicks are always good for comedic relief.

  • Gusurena

    No, I’m not talking about you Hydr0. Still, we have to wait until everything is done (including this summer) before we start judging every little move. DW was hire to find a way to land Lebron. So far, he has done that. Let’s see if he can complete it.

  • CircleLimit4

    If (big if) the Knicks secure a Lebron/Bosh tandem (Or even Lebron/Johnson), then chances are pretty good that the 2011 and 2012 picks will be late ones. The Knicks might even be the team getting the better end of a 2011 swap, especially if Yao can’t make an effective recovery.

    If Donnie pulls the trigger he needs to trade Lee for a 2012 pick. Boston or SA maybe? They’re old and this could be their last year as a contender, a 2012 pick could be pretty good

  • BiggieSmalls

    i didnt decide anything..

    I merely said I hope that Donnie isnt doing this to afford Lee at 10 plus mil and sign another max player player..

    you and anyone can choose not to discuss that as an option.. but it is.. All Im saying is if Donnie uses the extra dough to give Lee 8 digits as the second big signing it is a fail. some may choose to think other wise (Jeff?)

    according to Joe resigning Lee isnt even in the discussion anymore..

    LOL.. and you call me a pessimist but have Donnie squandering the 2012 pick two years in the future..

  • BiggieSmalls

    32.5 mil to spend totti.. that is without Lee.. If you want D Lee you get only 22.5 to spend.. assuming his bord rights of 10.5 mil…

    we dont have enough to sign Lee AND two big free agents.. Just to put that out there.

  • joetheknick

    It was decided when DW rejected Lee’s ridiculous demand for 12 million for 5 years and gave hime a 1 year rental at 7 million. DW has a plan and it does not include Lee at 12 million per. As a free agent Lee will test the market and figure out that he is worth 6 or 7 million a year to a team that needs him.

  • BiggieSmalls

    it frees up about 8.5 mil in space.. (6.9 + 2.6) – 1 mil in min contracts as cap hold.

  • bob go knicks

    Please dont say that.Maybe they want to give Duhon another couple of years

  • davidus1

    Honestly, any notions of Eddy Curry getting traded are foolish. The most likely scenario is as follows:

    The Knicks will find some way to trade Jeffries who clearly has value. This will unload several million off of next years cap and allow the Knicks the flexibility to sign 2 max contracts.

    Then Eddy Curry will pick up his option, and talks will immediately begin on a buyout which hopefully could save the team as much as $2 million more off of the cap. Curry will then look to restart his career somewhere else.

    If these things happen the Knicks will find themselves in a very favorable situation next season. They could conceivably be in position to sign 2 max contracts and another mid-sized contract.

    Of course there will still be some big questions remaining with regards to David Lee, who the Knicks simply cannot let walk without something in return (sign and trade?).

  • italian stallion

    Because he wants to see how the Cavs will perform and what the team will look like after all the trades are done. At that point he can decide whether to sign for 5 years, 3 years, 2 years etc…

  • totti

    No, i mean, i don’t want lee, of course, with lee you don’t win and i want rings, many rings. So 2 max this summer.
    I ask if there is a way to spend more than this money.
    I often red on this blog the possibility for sign and trade, but personally i don’t know the system at all. But you biggie and some others, you know if, using any possible hidden clauses, we can even spend more.

  • bob go knicks

    Listen man,nobody will know the exact details of this trade until it happens ,so why sweat it?

  • Hydr0

    i didn’t realize that renouncing lee’s rights were part of the one year contract lee signed last year…i guess that’s because it’s not in there….maybe?

  • italian stallion

    Sorry about the language, but to me this is so obviously a horrible idea that I can’t control my emotions. This kind of deal would make a us a laughing stock. I thought the days of enormous stupidity were over and I can’t believe we have someone in charge that would actually contemplate this move. I am sick beyond belief.

  • davidus1

    Honestly, I wouldn’t get too worked up. Something doesn’t jive.

    I believe that each of the rumored pieces in this deal (Hill, first rounders, second rounders, Hughes, Harrington, etc…) have been discussed in the framework of a deal, but in no way do I believe that the suggested combination is the actual package.

    There is simply no way that Walsh is going to trade Hill AND a first rounder. It’s got to be one or the other (likely Houston wants Hill and Walsh wants to give them a second/first). IF – and thats a big if – this trade happens, I think most of us will realize that the final version of the trade package is far from what we are all commenting on here.

  • BluEandOrange

    DVJ, you area blind Knicks fan that only does one thing, chant Donnie’s name and preach “In Donnie We Trust.”

    What has he done to earn any trust? You have to win before earning any respect. This attitude of doling out respect without earning it -as such with LeBron being called the King even though he hasn’t won anything – is inane.

    All you do is drink and pass out the kool-aid when I am more realistic.

    And yes, Obama is worse than Bush. Pay attention.

  • bob go knicks

    then why were you so happy when we got Marbury?

  • bob go knicks

    do you think we will have enough cap space to sign GLENN RICE?

  • BluEandOrange
  • Whodat

    Joe Dorsey is truly being underestimated here. He’s got size and
    a Oakley type potential. The guy can be an animal in the paint on both ends of the court. I’d pray that Hughes goes instead of Harrington.
    Is Tmac really that much of a risk considering his contract is about to expire? I write this with the opinion that we have a ZERO chance of LBJ coming to NY. Once you see the potenial of Dorsey, Jordan Hill will
    never be thought about again in our lifetime!

  • BiggieSmalls

    once you are below the cap you cant go above .. only to sign your own players and not other peoples.. you cant sign other free agents then go over to sign your own.. there is a cap hold for that money that prevents that.

  • BluEandOrange

    You don’t trade future 1st draft picks unless you know you are going after championships.

    Right now, the Knicks don’t even have LeBron or Bosh signed up and the Knicks are going to give up those valuable picks already? Not a smart move.

    Knicks need to move Jeffries without giving up the future. Isn’t that what Donnie is moving towards, the future? So why give it up now?

  • italian stallion

    Dino,

    With all dues respect the chances of landing Lebron are close to zero and everyone outside of the NY media knows it. Everyone is laughing at us behind our backs for being so stupid.

    What we are doing is losing Hill and taking the worst of the draft pick swaps in order to bring in a semi cripple who is 5 years past his prime in order to sign someone other than James in 2010 instead of 2011. If we wait one year, we can get rid of Jeffries, keep Hill, keep the better picks, and have room to sign someone to fill out our needs in 2011 instead. We’d come out way ahead if we didn’t do this, just one year later.

    Basically, we are trading away our future just like Isah used to do for a gamble that we are all but certain to lose. It’s such a mind numbingly horrible move I could never root for this team again with Walsh in charge.

  • bob go knicks

    i dont think donnie is reading this right now

  • LBJ2010

    Reports are that the Spurs are looking to trade Roger Mason. Would they take Jeffries for Mason and Bonner? Seems like a good fit for both teams.

  • BiggieSmalls

    its past Donnie’s bed time.

  • dino2008

    with all due respect, donnie walsh knows what he is doing and he clearly disagrees with your logic as do i. please tell me what free agent you are landing in 2011? and please tell me why lebron would not come here if chris bosh was….. imagain lebron, bosh, and gallo on the same team and then walsh could use chandler to land us a point guard. or you could use chandler to land us a big and sign joe and lebron.

  • dino2008

    this trade is NOT for mcgrady, i dont think you understand that.

  • bob go knicks

    in dolan we…….

  • Gusurena

    I understand your point Biggie. My point is that the success/failure of this deal will be if we sign Lebron or not. I don’t care if we sign Lee or not. It’s a success if we sign Lebron.

  • JASONHAYES

    Funny how everyone is nervous about this trade. We wanted to move Jeffries, and we are on the brink of that. Embrace it my fellow Knicks fans. If donnie doesnt do this trade and the Knicks suck for the rest of the season, you guys will be saying “donnie should have made the trade for Tmac”. We will have alot of cap space, and that means we will be getting out of mediocrity.
    ACCEPT IT AND BE HAPPY!!!!!

  • bob go knicks

    you should wipe off your screen right about now

  • dogmanx23

    Here’s a question for you guys. If this trade happens what do you prefer?

    Lebron/Bosh and $2M-$3M to fill the roster (3-4 rotation spots)

    Or Lebron/Lee and $9M-$10M to fill out the roster? (3-4 Rotation spots)

  • dino2008

    great! so he will see that he can play with chris bosh and play in the mecca of basketball and come to new york….

  • joeyballz

    I decided to tune into the radio show, my first time, and I can say the fans are not as savvy as some of the ones on this blog….I am actually disappointed that the host “Rice Balls” would even mention that the Knicks would even consider re-signing David Lee if this trade goes through…either he dont know what the actually Salary cap will be and thinks you can sign 2 max and Lee or if is actually implying this trade is being made to sign one max and Lee…that is albatross man…We cannot be doing this to Resign Lee…no friggin way…

  • dino2008

    i take lebron and bosh because i think lebron would want to play with bosh. if lebron wanted to play with lee he could stay in clevland and play with varejao.

  • young hova

    Hey last thing of the first paragraph i send was it was an excellent point. Pessimism is in my blood, why i think the Jazz are getting the 1st pick this year

  • BiggieSmalls

    is that you on the radio show with Rice ballz bob?

    has to be.

  • bob go knicks

    you mean “BEND OVER” ?

  • trenttucker

    But aside from the cap space technical issue, why would a team do a sign and trade where they gave up a player for David Lee when they could just sign him outright without giving anyone up? The main reason that teams do sign and trades is because you can max players at a higher salary if you have someone’s Bird rights. Are you saying that someone would want the Knicks to sign Lee to the highest salary possible and then give the Knicks a PG for Lee at that salary? That’s insane.

  • joetheknick

    Hydo: I just told you when the decision was made by DW. After all the drama of last summer, Lee stated that he understood that Walsh had a plan to maximize cap space for July 2010. That meant Lee was a one year rental for 7 million. Walsh will undoubtedly renounce Lee, as the rules require, to maximize cap space like he said he would do. Did you think Walsh came to a different decision?

  • thebossandbenji76

    I would like to apologize to all Knicks fans, i did not think for the life of me that Walsh would find a way to trade Jefferies, it sucks that we had to trade Hill, but it had to be done to give us the opportunity to sign 2 max FA’s and be able to present Lebron the opportunity to take another all-star player with him if he wants to come to NY(bosh?, Wade?, Amare?), which Cleveland can’t do, so all that needs to happen now is the Cavs don’t win the title. Lebron and Bosh, Camby for the exception…., Gallo at the 3…………the either T-Mac as your 2 or if u don’t re-sign then Chandler and Curry for Kevin Martin and make him your 2…….things are looking up that is for sure, and I think Cavs fans are in deep shit.

  • trenttucker

    Rather than get completely raped by Houston, why not just hold off until the summer and trade JJ or Eddy Curry’s then-expiring contracts for a guy with a long-term deal with a team trying to rebuild (Iguodala, Martin, Jamison, etc)?

  • CircleLimit4

    It’s definitely risky and I don’t really endorse it, but do you honestly see better offers coming within the next 3 days? There is absolutely no way Jeffries is traded for expiring contracts without giving up a piece of the future. He’s owed way too much for what he’s worth. Cap space isn’t free, certainly not in 2010.

  • dogmanx23

    then explain this to me.. fill the roster out with $2M left.

    you need to fill 3-4 rotation spots. I always thought to get 2 max buys you need to get rid of both Eddy and Jeffries.

    Right now if this happens and you get 2 max guys your looking at.

    Chandler/Gallo/Douglas/Eddy/Lebron/Bosh with $2M to fill out the team.

    Lebron with Lee and $10M left to fill out the roster with guys like Raja Bell, Marcus Camby, Brandon Heyward, etc etc would be better built team.

    Bosh/Lebron is a nice idea but how do you fill out the roster.

  • Knicks4life

    Trade makes me sick because it reminds me of the Curry and Marbury deals. It is not about Hill, it is about trading our lottery pick this year, next year (swap of picks) and potentially in 2012.

    As for being pessismitic, Knicks haven’t given me much to be optimistic about.

  • dogmanx23

    My issues is his math. If they get 2 max players they have no money to bring in good players. Remember no MLE, no LLE, for teams under the cap.

    My problem with this trade is the picks involved. Swapping picks in 2011, the 2012 pick and a prospect for what $10M more in cap space?

    If it was just Hughes/Jeffries/Hill for Mcgrady/Dorsey then its a great trade.

    Understand this trade also saves Houston $5M in cash, puts them under the luxury tax, and they get $4M bonus from the NBA for being under the tax.

  • trenttucker

    Correct. They get a benefit of $9m this year + Jordan Hill at cheap money for several years + one half year of Larry Hughes + 1.5 years of Jared Jeffries (granted, at about $10m total) + the draft picks, all for a guy who is inactive. Darryl Morey is very skilled.

  • joetheknick

    Some of the fans have been so unhappy for so long that they have forgotten how to be happy. Sad.

  • ds2488

    Major props to MSG for showing game 7 of 1970 right now. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome.

  • Realist_Knick_Fan

    It is too premature to figure this out right now – no way to know what the 2010-2011 cap figure will be – probably on the low end of estimates in light of Stern saying the league lost 400 million.

  • HaS

    “I take it you’ve never been to Cleveland…”

    You do know It is LeBron’s hometown right?

    I think many of the Knicks’ fans are looking at it from an arrogant New Yorker’s perspective.

  • Realist_Knick_Fan

    No way do the Knicks do a CAP HOLD with Lee – no way – that would be counter productive at this point and eat into the cap space they have been trying to carve out.

  • BluEandOrange

    What does “do a Cap Hold with Lee” mean?

    I suggest you read some of Larry Coon’s salary Cap Faq,

  • trenttucker

    Now those guys could play defense. They are all over the place.

  • BluEandOrange

    Donnie needs to convince the Rockets to a straight up deal of Jeffries, Hill, Harrington, and the Knick’s 2010 2nd Round Picks for McGrady and Joey Dorsey.

    This is the deal Donnie needs to get done.

  • BluEandOrange

    D’Antoni’s offense is not conducive to winning championships.

    Defense is the best offense. Defense wins championships. Defense. Defense. Defense. More often than not, good defense overcomes good offense.

  • BluEandOrange

    2nd Round “Pick”

  • ds2488

    Yeah its crazy to watch. I’m not sure i’ve ever really seen guys play defense as intense as them. they are flying everywhere it seems like they have 10 defenders.

  • italian stallion

    1. Lebron lives in Cleveland. His family is there. He says he loves Cleveland. He just built a mansion there. He talks about how much it would mean to win a championship (s) there. Sure sounds like a guy that can’t wait to go.

    2. The Cavs are either the best or 2nd best team in the NBA right now with their sights set on a championship (s). That’s what he wants.

    3. The Cavs are loaded with tradeable assets they can use to improve the team further now and/or in the summer.

    4. Lebron can sit back, evaluate the season, evaluate any current and/or off season moves, and then resign for a limited number of years with the Cavs. Everyone is thinking in terms of him having to sign for 5 years with someone. But he could easily just sign for 2 more years and then evaluate things again.

    He’s not coming here.

    That means Walsh is trading Hill and draft pick value in order to improve the team in 2010 by overpaying for guys like Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay etc… That will cripple us as a 4 or 5 seed for 5 years until those contracts come off.

    The way to do this is to always get better long term value (like Houston)!.

    If we don’t make this move, we get to keep Hill, keep the picks, get rid of Jeffries in 2011, and selectively look to make trades and FA moves in both 2010 and 2011. It may take one or more years longer to get better my way, but Walsh’s way we are doomed for eternity UNLESS we sign Lebron……and he ain’t coming.

  • italian stallion

    I understand it’s not for McGrady.

    We are giving up Hill and pick value to get rid of Jeffries one year sooner which makes ZERO sense unless we can sign Lebron…but he ain’t coming.

    We could just as easily keep Hill, keep the better picks and build slower but with more weapons while we sign FAs other than Lebron in 2010 and 2011.

  • Realist_Knick_Fan

    Ask yourself – if someone was trying to offer us a player who would make 6.9 million next year – what would you want from them? Your answer might be two first round picks and a swap of first rounders – which is what Houston is asking for.

    Here is another way to know if it is a fair trade – do both sides hurt a little in making the deal – get that ouch feeling but know they have to do it anyway b/c it is a fair trade and you are not taking the other team for a ride (sorry – we do not have any connections with other teams like the Celtics and other teams do with former players being the GMs who can ask for favors from their former teammates or friends – see McHale/Ainge relationship).

  • ds2488

    Also, Clyde, as if it needs to be said, was simply an amazing, incredible player. He was such a great player on both ends of the floor, and was a steal machine, pestering guys out of their shots and making them uncomfortable. He was just so much fun to watch.

  • trenttucker

    When is the last time that a title-winning team wasn’t great (not just good) defensively?

    2009, LA – fantastic (and still added Ron Artest after the season)
    2008, Boston – fantastic
    2007 – Spurs, fantastic
    2006, Miami – very good (perhaps the only exception — it was a weak year)
    2006, Spurs, fantastic
    2005, Pistons, fantastic
    2004, Sputs, fantastic
    2000-3 Lakers, fantastic
    1999 – Spurs
    …

  • Knicks4life

    So Bosh is going to come here to play with Joe Johnson rather than Wade in Miami or LBJ in Cleveland or Derrick Rose in Chicago?

    All those teams still have their first round picks too.

  • trenttucker

    Yes, but imagine if he had lifted weights, eaten right, and practiced a little more dribbling with his left hand (none of that was done back then). We’re talking Dwayne Wade.

  • Knicks4life

    Or we learn from history not to make the same mistakes over and over again.

    We can’t keep trading away #1 picks like candy. It is why we have been so terrible for the past decade.

  • trenttucker

    Why aren’t we throwing in $3 million in cash (the max allowable in trades) instead of either Hill or the the picks?

  • trenttucker

    Or Cuttino mobley’s contract, which is covered by insurance? If we added $3m in cash and Mobley (the remaining should be worth about $5m or so in cash reimbursed by the insurance company), then the Rockets would get $8m in cash this year. Why aren’t we throwing that in the deal instead of young/future players? We have tons of cash!

  • BluEandOrange

    The Knicks spent almost $3 in cash to buy Toney Douglas from the Lakers. $6,466,600 is not even close to what the 8th pick in the draft is worth if you were to purchase the pick. More like $10-$15 MM And throwing in a 2nd Round Pick as well in 2010?

    Fair deal for both sides.

  • BluEandOrange

    “THREE POINT GOAL!!! TRENT TUCKER!!!”

  • Realist_Knick_Fan

    My point is – what is the price to clear 6.9 million in cap space and for another team that thinks of themselves as players in the 2010 FA market to take on 6.9 million in cap amount? The answer might just be two first round picks and a swap of others. How much would you want in return to take on a 6.9 million dollar contract for 2010-2011?

  • thebossandbenji76

    LBJ-PG, T-Mac or Martin-SG, Gallo-SF, Bosh-PF, Camby-C in 2010? could be now with jefferies going bye bye, sounds pretty good.

  • ds2488

    Spot on man, but Frazier’s stat line of 36, 19, and 5 in game 7 is beyond what even Wade could do. One of the best games ever. I agree that if he had some of the things that teachers have today he would be that much better.

  • joeyballz
  • SilentJay

    The backlash DW would receive if he pulls the trigger in this rumored trade and later failing to acquire the players he exactly wants during the summer would be something else…
    Agreed. It’s a great risk, but the reward would be unbelievable. The ball is on DW’s court (counting on how accurate the facts of this trade are). Let’s see how it all goes down. Should be fun.
    I still think it’s too much, though.

  • vitony

    In order for this deal to be effective a couple of things need to happen. First, it has to be Hughes instead of Harrington. Then we need to turn around and offer Harrington and Mobley’s $3 million exception to Chicago for Ty Thomas. Essentially then we are swapping Hill for Thomas and Thomas is better and will always be better and is only 1 year old and has 3 years experience already.

    Then we need to figure out our PG situation, however, with McGrady coming in I expect that he will assume a lot of those duties anyway.

    We could essentially run a lineup of:

    McGrady
    Nate
    Chandler
    Thomas
    Lee

    With Gallo and Duhon off the bench on the second team with Bender and Douglas and Landry. The team will better for the rest of the year and if McGrady can return to form (even 70% of form) he is better than anyone we are giving up.

    Lebron would like to play with an athletic freak like Thomas and if we add Bosh then there is no need for DLee, as much as I love him, no need to pay him when you have Thomas, Bosh, Gallo that can all take minutes down low. I would deal him to portland in a second for Bayless and a first rounder or Charlotte for Felton and a first.

  • bigknicka

    this is my opinion on the trade:

    1) if we don’t trade jj and his contract and we’re stuck with joe johnson and david lee alot of you bloggers on this site are gonna go bananas saying we shouldve traded JJ when we had the chance to get 2 max players like lebron and bosh

    2)i would hate to give up Hill but its the price you pay for a chance like this, even if its not a guarantee lebron comes it definitely increases our chances from i believe 40% if he doesnt win a ring to 75% if he doesnt win a ring because we’re the only team that would have the ability to sign 2 max guys, with the largest media, business, and entertainment environment any other team could offer.

    3)the draft picks at first glance looks steep, i thought the same thing, but if its swapping 2011 picks we’re technically not losing a 1st round pick anyway, and since the west is still a tougher conference to make the playoffs how do we know houston even makes the playoffs that year? the 2nd round pick this year doesnt drive me crazy cuz we’ll probably just buy one anyway if need be. but the 2012 pick is hard to swallow, if its protected then screw it we sucked for ten years now…. the last time a saw the knicks win a playoff game i was in middle school, and i’m still a die hard fan to this day.

    i bet alot of our friends/ family members/ or significant others have gone on to band wagon and cheer for other teams or simply stop watching all together, but not us. We as Knicks fans understand the excitement of an intense playoff game at MSG or watching it on tv getting goosebumps when marv albert or bob costas would give the intro and the NBA on NBC theme song would come on (youre all singing it right now as u read lol). I know we all want that feeling again and i dont hate isiah thomas because i know thats what he wanted too, he just didnt know what the hell he was doing. I know thats what donnie is trying to do now, its risky but the brightside is we will finally have flexibility with a smarter GM … And in the end the possibility of getting that feeling and those goosebumps back is all worth it.

  • TobyKnight

    Bob – You think that if we sign two Max FAs that we are going to be a lottery team?

  • TobyKnight

    Thanks for clarifying that gentlemen.

  • TobyKnight

    Dude – You don’t know that he’s not coming, and no one here know that he is coming.

    Remember, atheists are as arrogant as religious fanatics. One can only be agnostic about Lebron.

  • scarfacebaj19

    I’m ready to puke! this is horrible. We should be trading Lee in this deal not Hill. Hill is a little bit taller, and much longer arms and can hold his own defending in the post. He has a decent post game that will continue to improve and an outside shot that will also improve. He is a shot blocker unlike Lee. We are not going to win with lee at center- he is a PF. Trading away first round picks in the future is horrible.

    All we are going to do is free up space and not sign anyone this offseason except lee. Who is coming here? why would they come here? Lebron is on a Championship caliber team if they add a big time free agent like their talking about. Bosh is going to Miami to be with Wade. Our hope is now in Joe Johnson who will be 29 next season and will start declining as a player in the next couple of years, and why would he leave Atlanta who is the 4th best team in the east , and atlanta is a great city.

  • barnaby8787

    Obviously won’t be the only one pissed off at this deal. The fact is that houston is putting mcgrady on a pedestal. I’m sorry but the guy is the biggest tossup of any player in the nba right now. To give up the picks and hill (who could be a great player; but we won’t know until d’antoni plays him more) is just ridiculous. So what if we get rid of JJ, somebody else would take JJ if DW just pushed harder. If we were getting rid of both EC and JJ, I would say fine. Even just EC b/c he’s useless and has a bigger contract, I wouldn’t mind as much. But this is ridiculous IMO. If it goes through, we better trade D-Lee and get someone like monta or another big name who will help us b/c otherwise, we really will have nothing but a hope and a prayer going into 2010.

  • SilentJay

    LOL. It was an instant classic though. It was all about the Jared Jeffries Brand. Lol

  • DaGawD_KnowLedge

    ???????????????

    IS ZEKE STILL RUNNING THE SHOW?

    sorry for the caps but
    picks involved thats krazy….

  • TobyKnight

    How much cap space would Tyrus Thomas take up?

  • barnaby8787

    They actually do have two. One’s denver’s from the balkman trade.

  • DaGawD_KnowLedge

    without picks involved it’s not a bad trade..

  • SilentJay

    Agreed. Everyone here wants to land big fish in the summer, but if that doesn’t work and we’re looking for young talent in the future to keep rebuilding, where will our picks be?
    In the hands of Morey. That doesn’t look like rebuilding to me (of course assuming DW doesn’t get what he wants out of this summer’s bonanza).
    It’s all probabilities. Tough choice.

  • barnaby8787

    I would have rather traded the 8th pick for a player or two like washington/minny pulled off then to do this.

  • barnaby8787

    My assumption would be somewhere in the 5-6 mil range. The truth is that vitony is delusional in thinking we can afford bosh, lbj, and tyrus. Even more delusion in thinking that lee would yield bayless and a first or felton and a first; especially when he’s not taking the salary cap into consideration.

  • bob go knicks

    he couldnt get 15-20 when was starting

  • vitony

    The difference between Hill and Tyrus is $4 million per year. If we were to trade lee for a guy like Bayless or even Augustine who are still under their rookie deals it would be even. David Lee if traded to the right contender would most certainly net us a first rounder and a young player. If JJ Hickson can net either Amare or Troy Murphy then Lee should be able to get what we are looking for. The point is that there is no point to David Lee if you sign Bosh or Amare, there is no point in paying someone $10-13 million to come off the bench. If Lebron wants to run with Lee great saves us money but he doesnt, so deal him now while you still, while he is having his best season and just made the All-Star game, otherwise lose him for nothing (I doubt he will be around to sign as the consolation prize if we don’t land a big in FA this summer).

  • barnaby8787

    No, D-Lee can’t be traded straight up for augustin or bayless b/c Lee is not on a rookie contract anymore. He wouldn’t yield us a first and a young player at all. I’ll give you a young player and cap filler, but not a first unless the young player is sub par. . You have to realize with phoenix’s case, flat out, they are getting picks paired with potential. In the pacers case, they are getting rid of murphys contract. If D-lee was locked up at 7 mil over a few years he would have more value but nobody will risk him leaving at the end of the year for a young player and a first rounder. And nobody is questioning your other point. I agree as I think personally that we should package lee and some other parts and try to bring in somebody for next year though. I just don’t think a young player and a pick is realistic.

  • bob go knicks

    living in NYC isnt the rub,its living NEAR nyc.christ you live over the boarder in scarsdale,you are in midtown in 40 minutes all set to get yerself into some real trouble.Just dont wear sweatpants and carry a gun(right plax?)

  • bob go knicks

    gee whiz DVJ,you didnt want to do anything,TRADE RUMOR HITS and yer all for it like thirsty man wants water

  • vitony

    For a chance at a title or the playoffs teams are more willing to do something like that, plus if it doesnt work out then they get to let Lee walk. Portland is void of big men right now with all the injuries, and do you think Larry Brown would love Lee right now down low? DJ Augistine may fit the sub-par young and a first for lee, Bayless obviously isn’t in the future plans of Portland, otherwise why sign Miller?

    I agree that if we do the deal for McGrady and get Ty Thomas then Lee has to go, so does Nate, no sense keeping them around. Nate said he would go to LA, Orlando or Boston. Maybe Nate for JJ Redick, Redick seemed to play nicely when forced to start early in the year and he is deadly beyond the arc, and in our run and gun offense could be a nice addition coming off the bench. If we make the McGrady trade then a lot more deals have to be coming.

    According to hoopshype.com (which I do not know if it is accurate or not) we have 27 million committed to next year, if we shed Jefferies and do not take anything on that is 21 million, that leaves over 35 million in cap space, plenty of room to sign 2 max and fillers (doubt we can a Rudy Gay but hey who knows at the chance to win a title and play with Lebron).

  • bob go knicks

    no they keep dropping my posts way down …i answered a Q fom dvj.someone said we were giving houston a first rounder,dvj said “no way we give them a first rounder no way” and i said “and you know this wont happen how?

  • bob go knicks

    we still have the same owner LMFAO

  • barnaby8787

    If portland needed Lee so badly, they would have gotten him already. They’re dealing w/ juwon and there young players and doing fine at that. No way someone like bayless goes with a first. You’re nuts to believe that. Plus, augustin and a first still doesn’ work salary wise and I’m confused. Why does charlotte need Lee now? Diaw is there, Nazr is playing fine, wallace is averaging nearly as many boards as lee a game and tyson is starting to come back from his injury.

    And personally, I would take nate for ryan anderson, not reddick b/c he’s an expiring. And nah man, lbj is gonna command prob close to 20 alone. Not sure what max will be but it has to be at least 16-17.

  • bob go knicks

    not me …i dont call shows …why?what did he say? i hate lbj……i dont want that prick on my knicks?lol

  • bob go knicks

    can we pleeeeeeze get a point guard now?

  • bob go knicks

    trade hasnt happened yet?

  • barnaby8787

    By the way, they could also go for a cheap option like camby and not sacrifice young talent/pick…

  • vitony

    If we get a small enough contract then expirings don’t matter anymore. We will only have Gallo, Curry, Chandler, Douglas, and Dorsey under contract past the end of this year if the deal goes through for McGrady (and includes Hill).

    Portland is looking to buy, according to some of the people I have talked to, It would be interesting to see, maybe we could get Darius Miles (9 million expiring) to make the salaries work or maybe we could grad Rudy Fernandez or someone else. David Lee is worth something on the open market, personally I think he could net us a first and young guy for the right team, however I would be more than happy to grab a young and another expiring for him, and if I am not mistaken Anderson is under contract until 2013 and Redick only until 2011

  • vitony

    I would love to get a guy like Camby, problem is that without a true PG on this team, this team is still not going anywhere, which is why we should have drafted Ty Lawson (which I was praying for) once Steph Curry, Rubio and Flynn were off the board. I think Douglas could be good, but I am not sure if he can run the point, however I love his defensive intensity off the bench.

    Truth be told no matter how many players we trade no matter how much money we get, until we get a PG all bets are off as to whether this team will go anywhere. Duhon is a great backup, however he is by no means a 6 million player or a starter. We can as fast and athletic as we want, but unless McGrady can return to form and run the point, we will still stink, and LeBron won’t come.

  • barnaby8787

    My bad man, I meant Lee to charlotte/portalnd

    Still disagree with Lee.

    And w/ anderson/reddick that’s only if the option is exercised and reddick will prob have a 3-4 mil option which he isn’t worth IMO.

  • vitony

    I wonder if Lee to Minny can net us Rubio? Kahn wanted someone, maybe it could work out, who knows. Donnie just needs to do something else besides McGrady, but if he does grab McGrady and deal Hill he has to get Thomas to counter that.

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