Silence the Critics: Part 2

by Tommy Dee on February 27th, 2010 at 6:44 am

By Ryan Trapasso

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We are all evolving. Plants are evolving. Animals are evolving. Societies, governments, law, music, technology, and, yes, even sports are evolving. As bodies change, times change, and preferences change, sports have changed along with them. The advancements in technology making for better tires, engines, faster cars in NASCAR; easier to hit and longer clubs in golf, as well as more efficient ways to take care of courses; better knowledge of the human body to start training athletes more effectively at a younger age, especially in sports like football and basketball. As the passion for sports grows in our society, so, too, does the jump in participation and legitimacy of programs like AAU basketball and PAL football. I love having so many young people become involved in athletics and stepping away somewhat from the attraction to video games. So, where am I going with this? I’m saying that this evolution, from a basketball point of view, has itself an example of infancy in Coach D’Antoni.

Both praised and mocked as being an offensive innovator, Mike D’Antoni was known in Phoenix for a fast-paced, wide open style of basketball that scored a ton of points and produced some of the most exciting regular season basketball the league has seen. Night after night, you knew you were getting Steve Nash pushing the ball down your throat, a steady dose of pick-and-rolls, and a ton of threes. Steve Nash is Steve Nash, but what isn’t as widely noted is just how open the system gets players for those shots and how the Suns did play defense; it was just a different kind. The Suns were about hustle and athletic plays: steals, blocks, pushing off misses. Attack, attack, attack.

Yet, it’s not just Mike. The similarities in D’Antoni’s teams and the “new” NFL are staggering. Gone are the days of bruising, low-scoring affairs in football. The past three Super Bowls have seen the end of the old adage “run the ball, stop the run” in favor of “pass the ball, stop the pass.” It’s a quarterback’s league, now. It’s a star’s league. You attack, attack, attack. Sound familiar? You create turnovers more so than get stops, and you hope to have the ball last at the end to win the game. It’s not about building a lead and holding on to win, anymore. It’s offense. The amazing part, though, is fans are loving it. In 2009/2010, the NFL saw its best TV ratings in twenty years (the Saints/Colts matchup beat the record for viewers by M.A.S.H., for heaven’s sake), and with the league floating around more rule changes, such as the ban on the three-point stance, this new era of offense seems here to stay.

There are people who will say that you can’t win championships in sports without playing defense. My response to this is generally, “What kind of defense?” This coach’s system, defensively, thrives on athleticism and length; on turnovers you can capitalize on, much like the modern NFL. How did the Giants stop Tom Brady? Athletic plays made by their defensive line. How did Arizona come back against Pittsburgh, and how did Pittsburgh come back on them? An electric passing offense. How did the Saints have such a great season defensively and, also, pull out the win against Peyton Manning? Not bruising defense. Turnovers. How exciting were these games? Weren’t you on the edge of your seat like I was?

I understand that the NBA isn’t where the NFL is, yet, but I implore you to think about it. You do not need to play like you’re going to punish and throttle somebody carelessly who dares drive into the paint on you. There’s nothing wrong with playing hard, but step up and force them around or make a steal or a block. I don’t understand how using hard fouls and being the “bad guy” does anything beneficial for your team with how the rules are being called in games, now. You all see the touch fouls being called, so why not adapt and become more finesse; more crafty? Offense is starting to be favored in this league, so what’s wrong with trying to build a team around a system that takes advantage? Just because you’re a running team, that doesn’t mean you can’t play defense, too. It’s just not the defense most Knick fans seem used to. Wait until Coach D’Antoni has players that fit. Then, you can be the judge.

All that said, to me, there’s a more important point to be made, and this deals with the “softening” of all sports, not just basketball but certainly including it. In an increasingly concerned and cautious world, the safety of athletes of all ages has taken center stage. We’ve seen before how past generations loved smash-mouth sports. Hockey fans can surely cite bruising battles far better than I; football fans can surely look back and tell stories of trench battles, intense rivalries, brutal hits, and broken limbs. As we’ve approached the end of those generations, though, we’ve seen the result. Countless former pro athletes shells of themselves, not in an athletic sense, but in a functional, quality-of-life sense. We don’t see or hear enough the stories of the athletes who can’t function enough to take care of themselves because of the tens of concussions they suffered. We don’t see the man in the wheelchair who’s relearning how to write his own name. We don’t see the man who limps around on a cane in pain, wondering how he’s going to pay for a surgery he needs just to be able to keep walking in the limited way he does.

Too, the stories of a high school student left motionless on the field, everyone collectively holding their breath, praying he’s not paralyzed. Sometimes, he is. The young man or woman struck in the head in the batters’ box after a pitch gone awry. What about the kid who drives into the lane and is met with a hard foul? How many times has a young man or woman had their skull crash into a hardwood floor, experiencing a concussion that may rear its ugly head later on in their lives? What about a young girl taken down by a hard tackle on the soccer field, left with a broken leg? Not only can’t she play the game, but how much school will she miss? How much learning will she miss being out of school? Will it cost her a scholarship that was her only way of affording a higher education?

Obviously, there are risks playing sports, and we know this. We can’t prevent everything. I’m sure it’s true, too, that basketball is greatly less dangerous than football in the sense of spinal injuries and concussions, but that’s not to say it can’t or won’t happen. The sad thing is, though, the severity of injuries has the potential to get even worse. We have the technology and knowledge, now, to build such powerful bodies through proper nutrition and training, that the dangers are so very great. Can anyone argue against the positive aspects of the NFL banning players from “launching” themselves into another player, or the ban on helmet-to-helmet contact? What about NASCAR with the Dale Earnhardt tragedy and the introduction of required harnesses, and restrictor plates well before that? If we can limit injuries and still enjoy playing the sports we love, isn’t change worth it? There will always be people who want the “good ole days,” but I argue bring on the change. Bring on better training, athleticism, and a “softer” game for all sports. If it protects people and makes sports more exciting and fun for everyone involved, why not?

Fans like offense. With the explosion in popularity of fantasy sports, as well as the rise in ratings for sports lately (see: the ultimate case of “basketball on grass,” the 2010 Pro Bowl), this is something we know. Maybe it’s just me, but I can’t see that appetite for excitement diminishing, nor can I see a decrease in the need to better protect young people while still allowing them to play a game they love. This new wave, in many different sports, seems to be the real deal. I argue that it’s time the fans start to look at it from a different perspective and see how exciting the evolution of the sport we love could be. Now, basketball may not reach it as fast as football has, and, who knows, maybe, it never will, but I think we can adjust and enjoy ourselves even more than we ever imagined if it does.

  • defense

    Tommy Dee I understand your point. The game has changed from when the Knicks last won a championship. The game is faster, big guys handle the ball better. Now lets get to Mike D’Antoni. He is the worst coach I have every seen on the Knicks sidelines. He has an alienation policy that rubs me the wrong way. His insistence that Gallo is NBA ready is a joke. I don’t care what he was able to do with Steve Nash, I want to see at least some basic coaching skills. To play David Lee at center is not and will not work. The Knicks give up 55+ points in the paint every game and get out rebounded every game. Today’s contenders are not trading away their centers nor alienating them to please Mike’s system. Clevland and L.A. Lakers are not worrying about Mike’s system. There is no fear or respect for the Knicks. I pick one of those teams with a center to win it all this year and for years to come. I am looking for team defense and rebounding, not David Lee’s double double. David is not an allstar and would not even be in the conversation if he were’nt on the Knicks. Contenders dictate what match ups must be covered, not losers. Mike D’Antoni has the distinction of having set the record for the worst loss(50 pts) most pts in a half, Kobe’s 61 pts in the garden,lowest pts in a game, worst start 1-9 and so on. Lets just go to a system that player can play and we can win with. Fire Mike D’Antoni

  • harris

    The issue is not about “evolving” with this coach-it is about having some regard for defensive basketball. There has never been a championship team in basketball (or probably any other sport for that matter) which isn’t defensively sound. That starts from the top. This coach has never paid attention to defense, thinking you can simply outscore teams with his silly “7 seconds or less” offense. Charles Barkley said it best the other night when talking about the current Golden State Warriors (“They’re like the old Phoenix teams-they don’t know what they are doing-all they look to do is score”). That is not becoming of a successful basketball program, regardless of the direction you think the sport may be heading.

  • Knicks4life

    Much better Ryan. I enjoyed the piece.

    Don’t know why you insist on equating playing hard solid defense with flagrant fouls that leave players with concussions and broken limbs though. We are not asking for the return of the early 90′s Knicks Oakley, X-Man, and Mason defense, but how about SA defense (prior to this year of course).

    Both SA and the Lakers play an uptempo style but they also play hard nosed defense. The two do not have to be mutually exclusive. And to say that the Knicks play a different “style” of defense . . . I’m just not seeing it. D’Antoni teaches gimmick defense (Jeffries on Rondo, Marion on Paul) but I don’t see the effort in the defensive strategy that I do on the offensive side.

    I would love to see the play D’Antoni drew up on that Young three last night in overtime. And by play, I mean defensive matchup, scheme, etc. I would have fouled, but he didn’t so I’m wondering what did he call?

    As for the NFL/NBA comparison, I’m not really buying it although I enjoyed reading it. NFL players are left with severe dehabiliting injuries when the retire due to the physical nature of the game. NBA players get injured but usually on a freak accident, not from a hard foul. In fact, as I sit here I can’t think of 10 guys fored to retire or seriously injured on a ‘hard” foul. It is usually stepping on a guys foot or something similar.

    No excuses, D’Antoni just needs to coach defense. And he doesn’t, just ask Amare Stoudamire (or Lebron James . . .uh oh)!

  • defense

    excellent points, team defense not just two players once in a while

  • DatNewYorker

    YOU SAID IT BROTHER. I like the name too, Defense.

    I’t would be nice to know what TOMMY DEE thinks about this article. I would love to hear his opinion. You see the elite teams bulking up with 7′ centers and DAntoni only wanting to pick up players to fit his silly system. I was watching that horrible win by the Knicks last night and the only player i was impressed with is that McGee kid of the Wizards. He protected the paint with five blocked shots. That is basketball and will always be what basketball is about. Defense wins championships. Mike D is an idiot as soon as he is fired the better chance we have at moving in the right direction. He should only be an assistant coach. As for your silly evolution theory, offense is entertaining but it will never change the outcome that the team with the better defense will win. Check your history.

  • defense

    Thank you for making the distinction between NBA/NFL and what I think all Knicks fans are looking for defensively

  • defense

    Watching McGee blocking shots was what this is all about. The drama every time someone tried to come down the lane. Ntoe he never fouled anybody hard. Just played hardnosed DEFENSE.

  • rocky

    I heard one hall of fame coach speak about the D Ant system 2 years ago,
    he said, “you can run all you want, but if you don’t stop the other guy
    you lose”.

    I think that guy was Larry Brown, reacting to the suggestion by Stephen Marbury that the Knicks run like DAntoni does in Phoenix. A year and a half later Marbury would be dissing D Ant and missing Larry but that’s another story.

    Players are bigger stronger faster, in all sports, so why not raise the hoop in
    basketball, widen the fields in the nfl and push back the fences in Baseball
    for starters, then step # 2…have all these sports play less games, shorter schedules mean more meaningful games, more interesting and intense ones. the greed factor that has made all these seasons interminable is a big problem never addressed.

    As a guy who plays some hoops I am not one of the great athletes,
    knowing I’m not the go-to guy I know enough to do what I can to help
    my team at any given time, that means insane hustling Defense.
    Even clean Defense is a matter of commitment to hustle and wearing your opponent down mentally and physically foiling his plan to put on a clinic against you. When you disrupt the opponent, through blocks, steals, tips, boards that’s when you attack attack attack, because they failed in their offense and if it’s a dramatic stop, like a steal or block, they are stunned and frustrated by their failure…that’s when you run.

    If a team is going to commit to attacking and running it’s got to be going two ways, on offense and defense. ps; I think missed three pointers with their long rebounds are likely the biggest “fast break starters” in the game today.

    I place big question marks next to D Antoni. It appears that he has half heartedly worked the sidelines believing he’s got a 2 year baby sitting pass.
    I believe he could have done more with what he has.

  • HaS

    It is impossible to play an uptempo style and then insist on playing 6 players the lion’s share of the minutes and then the 7th and 8th man get 10-15… total. Period.

    That “system” is not built to sustain it’s effectiveness through an 82 game season AND the playoffs.

    _’antoni himself admitted he didn’t emphasize defense enough until THIS year. Unacceptable.

    The Phoenix teams played little to no defense. What they did was seduce teams (the less disciplined ones) into playing their “style” of basketball. No value for the basketball or an individual possession, anyone out on the floor has the green light to shot a 3 (Jeffries? Really?) and there is no such thing as a bad shot, once the other team plays a “style” they’re not accustomed to they take bad shots and the Suns were off and running from the misses. They also ran off makes.

    However, in the playoffs the teams are more disciplined, methodical and each possession becomes more important. Also, with teams facing each other multiple times the other team has more time to make adjustments and design a defense to stop you from doing what you want to do.

    How did that work out in Phoenix?

    I’m not waiting for _’antoni to “evolve” he can turn into a butterfly somewhere else.

  • theghostofwillisreed

    did anyone read the byline. tommy dee didn’t write this.

  • HaS

    _’antoni is the reincarnation of _on Nelson. Their philosophy is to apply pressure to their opponent offensively either through lineups (point forwards, 3 point shooting big men, running incessantly and bombing from 3 point range with regard hoping for a hot streak.

    There is no such thing as defensive pressure or maybe their philosophies haven’t “evolved” to include that yet.

  • HaS

    Yea, I noticed that.

    Tommy needs to stop putting his creepy smiling photo next to other people’s work though. lol

  • BiggieSmalls

    he might as well have.

    this piece parrots Tommy’s opinion
    .
    I dont think the game has changed to the extent that Defense doesn’t matter.

    Idont think this coach’s speed ball game is the next big thing. Simply, when teams force him to play a slow down game and dont try to run with him they lose.

    It’s a gimmik that can be easily solved.

    I’ve also seen.. surprisingly i might add — that this coach is dreadful in making end of game strategic decisions. Both play calling and personnel alignments… And play calling on BOTH ends of the court.. His offensive play calling and creatively in the final minutes is frankly shocking. His player are always out of position in defensive sets and he seems to have the wrong players out there.

    I pray that this coach has an epiphany similar to Pat Riley’s.

  • Mal

    Yep K4L LBJ said it last year and it was VERL LOUD in my EARs, he said the Knicks dont play defense. One of the reasons I dont think LBJ is coming, he also said its a waste of his and his families time if he is not competing for a championship each year.

    So unless we got LBJ and another stud ala K Garnett (which I really dont think Bosh of Stoudamire are)and already still have TMac on the squad and the team could pull what Boston did 2 years ago I dont see it and the Celtics did it with DEFENSE. So LBJ = Pierce, TMac = Ray Allen, and Amare or Bosh = KG and supporting cast vs supporting cast.hmmm
    DW better see this and talk to Mike about how the only way the Knicks will ever get close to a title shot again is through DEFENSE

  • Mal

    Biggie
    You do think DEFENSE is key to a championship, right? What you think about next year’s possible moves by DW, what should he try to do, personally I dont think we are getting LBJ and really Im probably one of the cats that dont really care if we get him, I will embrace him if we do but Im not on his

  • BobbyFromBK

    From RealGM this morning:

    On his Twitter page, Brian Windhorst of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported that the Cavs have drawn up a couple of new plays to incorporate Antawn Jamison into their offense.

    He then says that the Knicks — whom the Cavs play next — will not know about the new plays because coach Mike D’Antoni “can’t be bothered with advance scouting.”

    How many times do we have to be slapped in the face that Damphoney doesn’t care about defense? He said in his Post game last night that he told his players to foul at the end? So why didn’t they?

    I don’t believe he told them anything and he just said that to Cover his butt.

    This clown has to go!

  • BobbyFromBK

    Maybe. But the big difference is Nelson can coach and gets the best from the players he has.

  • defense

    Some people believe that in 7 seconds or less we will win. I don’t see much of an improvement by this new coach. The clearly of cap space yeah, but if this summer is like the last we will be the same next year.

  • defense

    Also lets stop the gimmicks. Basketball is won and loss playing defense. I would like to see the day when we can look forward to the pride in stopping your man on defense again. This small ball experiment failed, it has not made David Lee a legit allstar or go to guy. It just pads his stats. Some posters need to go to Rucker Park and learn the game. Then pick a coach. Player development has not happened in 7 seconds or less. Team defense and rebounding is at its worst and points in the paint never higher. Give Mike a Break get him out of here in 7 seconds or less.

  • akdrum

    I almost agree totally w you.
    when I watch the games, even my wife who knows nothing of KnicksBB-
    sees me watching the game -she commented that its always the “Operations Manager”
    (coach)then the workers(players)-in the fault and communication order of things. The game is
    changing as you say- Granted,but a work philosophy/ethic is what’s lacking and needed.
    Who knows what goes on behind closed doors-(That would make a great book)-

    Here’s a news flash,Rich mediocre athletes don’t have a sense of urgency. ARod didn’t for years.
    He got smart,made the change-thats when he got on a serious
    focused winning team -The Yanks,Im sure being around Jeter & Co.changed his attitude.
    also because of Joe Torre’s ethic and management style.
    The Rangers had it when they got Mike Richter (got rid of all distractions,won the StanleyCup.Messier 1 Top player)
    and the Knicks had it when they hired Riley-

    When MD’A coached PHX -Steve Nash and A.Stod.took some of his OFFENSIVE suggestions…
    made his game somewhat better.Made the playoffs,they were great.They were so focused on the O ,where was the D?
    They lost-
    Kerr was right.No D-
    If you look at the Knicks W/L column-the record does not lie-
    ..what about if MD’A(without busting a blood vessel)
    just starts busting BIG balls and taking
    total George Patton control in the last 5 minutes? He just stands there w his arms folded.
    Ive seen him give up (looking sad)at games- the TV doesn’t show that-
    next year when he has some “decent” players if they start losing again it will be because of L.O defense- I hope he can fix it- Im
    optimistic- Urgency/Eye of the tiger…get back! Apollo Creed!!!!
    One other thing- Last year and earlier this season D.Lee shot the ball like George Mikan from the 50′s.
    But he improved. If he improves his overall defensive intensity -he could be a VERY dangerous player. BIG IF!
    BOTTON LINE-The last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter have to be coached smarter….if the game is
    changing as you say ,then how come we still have to watch nail biters? tied up with less than 5 minutes,MD’A lets
    his players defend with a 5ft gap w no hands up (Gallo)-its only a 1/2 a second after the opposing team shoots the ball ,
    that thats when hands go up.
    alright im done…

  • akdrum

    No LBJ.

    DW will go afterthe following

    Long,Tall,athletic, intensity,Hungry,Cheap,moderate,expensive,Europe,Asia,S,America.
    Hidden gems, Focused, Big Skillz,

    like Al Buckets!!!

  • DaGawD_KnowLedge

    did u guys an gals see him coach in denver?

    he walk into the perfect situation in phoenix

    but in reality this guy danni boy can’t coach
    it’s like saying shaq was a good free throw shooter
    or like mugsy won the slam dunk contest

  • rocky

    I think Mike Fratello’s Slow-ball with no talent (circa 90′s) was boring basketball but they were winners.

    D ant has not committed himself to the players
    he has here now. HIs “fastball with top talent didn’t get him
    anywhere either..,cept a 2 year baby – sitting contract in NY
    where he struts like he’s got cred here which he
    certainly has not earned…

    yet

  • DwaneT

    Ryan, I get the point.

    I actually agree, and I was known to play physical defense… not butcher-ball, but physical. I actually hated the style of basketball ushered in by the Bad Boy Pistons. It was so un-Holzman like. I learned to appreciate it when the Riley Knicks started doing it, because they were my team. The Knicks we admire from that era were tough… much tougher than the Rockets whom they lost to. Ewing was tough, much tougher than Olajuwan who outplayed him on offense and defense with a more finesse-based style (although the dream was no pushover). Defense wins championships… but only when it ensures that the other team scores less points. I’ve played in nine championship games in various sports in my life, and lost seven. The reason we/I lost wasn’t because we didn’t play hard defense, because we did. The reason was because we didn’t score enough points to win. You can pick out any team from the Riley era, and pick a goat to pin the loss on (Ewing, Starks, Smith, etc.). They all played hard defense and lost because they didn’t score enough points to win.

    D’Antoni basically wants a point guard and four swingmen of various heights… but preferably 6’9″ and up. You outlined perfectly the type of defense he wants to play… defense that leads to fast breaks. He doesn’t try to shut teams down, just slow them down so they can’t score as many points. I think his philosophy is sound, I just don’t think he is the coach to make it work A fifteen man squad that utilizes all its players could make that system work because you can wear down any opponent during any given game, and still be fresh enough to play several series at the end of the year. Also you could comfortably sub for guys who are having an off night. And forcing a team to expend extra energy on defense directly impacts their offense since unlike football, everyone is a two-way player. Guys who are “built” to run constantly on offense should be fast/quick enough to play position basketball, fill passing lanes, and provide help defense to create the turnovers you talked about. D’Antoni doesn’t hold his team accountable run the other team off the floor on defense. Then again, he also doesn’t have the players.

    Decisions like forcing Lee to spend two years at center, and not letting Darko or Hill play, are what’s keeping the system from being more effective. Buying out Steph and not getting another point guard was stupid too. Some engineers design great cars, but they’re horrible drivers. D’Antoni designed a potentially winning system, but he probably isn’t the coach to make it work.