In addition to continuing the evaluation of guys like Bill Walker and Toney Douglas, to name a few, I’m very interested in scoping Manu Ginobili.
Ginobili, a free agent a year’s end, will be 33 in July. Is he a perfect fit for this system? The great thing about the Spurs is that they do everything a great team should do. If they want to play up tempo, they can, but they defend, rebound and most importantly, play deliberate and patient half court offense thanks to the greatest power forward ever.
And they still should have lost to D’Antoni’s Suns in 2007.
Ginoboli’s stats aren’t as impressive as you’d think, although 45% for your career at the guard position is impressive, and he’s only averaged more than 30 minutes once. So he’s still pretty young. Does he have the point guard skills to run this system? We know he can score and one thing is for sure, he’s clutch and led Argentina to the gold in 2004. Is he a point guard? Yes, I know Tony Parker claims that role, but I’m interested if Manu has those qualities. He’s turnover prone, but really makes great plays all around. It must be nice playing with Tim Duncan, but I think Duncan has to feel the same way.
Ginobili makes a shade under $11 million and obviously isn’t an option if the team signs two max players, which seems to be the plan. And no, he’s not a max player, but he’s the type of player, at the guard position, every team needs- which is why I don’t expect him to leave the Long Star State. Although he is very good, and I mean VERY good, dollar for dollar he’s probably too rich for the Knicks plans.
A star player would have to feel good about Ginobili, and either Ty Thomas or Marcus Camby, along with the holdovers and 2010 picks. As well as the option of dealing Curry.
I know I would.
Food for thought.
Ginobili is a prime player for a short term run if the Knicks can get the pieces.
If the Knicks cannot sign a Bosh, Wade, or LeBron tandem, then looking at Ginobili and Johnson are alternatives.
Walsh needs to spend some dough this offseason on buying picks. He has to find a way to pry the Warriors, Timberwolves, and Kings 2nd Round picks from them.
Greivis Vasquez, Willie Warren, Craig Brackins, Jarvis Varnado, and Lazar Haywood are their for the taking in the early 2nd round. If the Knicks can find a way to buy 2 early 2nd round picks, they will be able to develop some youth next season.
” If the Knicks can find a way to buy 2 early 2nd round picks, they will be able to develop some youth next season.”
If only there were a coach in place who could develop young talent. Draft picks, especially 2nd rounders are probably useless to this team right now. The GM rarely has a feel for hidden talent and the coach can’t develop lottery picks.
With D’antoni at the healm? Something would have to go very wrong during the FAgency for D’antoni to give heavy minutes from young 2nd rounders. He’s not really known for his bench depth use.
I do agree that youth is something you really want, a nice combo of front and backcourt players, but again, this coach isn’t really the one to be developing young ones, though it’s really a great idea.
Without Parker, Big Fundamental should have about 45 pts tonite in the paint. I’m getting ready to see about 10 dunks, 12 pts off bank shots and about 13 pts from free throws and and 1s.
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didn’t david lee own duncan the last time they played each other…can you imagine if he does it again
Duncan barely played and the offense didn’t go through him much at all in the 1st half of that game. He didn’t even take a lot of shots.
Imagine _avi_ owning anyone defensively. The NBA would truly be “where amazing happens” if that ever took place.
lol come on…i’m no fan of david either, but you have to give him credit when it is due. Duncan even acknowledged Lee’s abilities in that game.
There was a reason Duncan wasn’t featured in that game and it was because of the play by your buddy _avi_ lol
David owned him offensively in that game too
I’m not watching the game now, but I assume Duncan is schooling Lee as I type this haha
“here was a reason Duncan wasn’t featured in that game and it was because of the play by your buddy _avi_ lol”
You can’t really believe that malarkey can you?
Duncan was battling injuries and had been in and out of the lineup just before their first meeting.
The one player I can say I saw him play well against defensively (for a full game) was Yao either last year or 2 years ago, it was so long ago I can hardly remember.
heh…nah I don’t believe it lol. Its just fun to get you going sometimes.
Ginobili? The guy can’t stay healthy, that’s the biggest problem. I love his energy and skills but he is fragile like a porcelain figure…
I think that, if healthy, Ginobili is the perfect two for this system. He is like a super-Raja Bell, in that he does everything Bell did – pester the shooting guard on defense, nail clutch threes – but also can slash and create his own shot. But at 33, I would balk at anything long term.
Not sure I see why we would ever look at Manu as a PG?
If he made a shade over 11 mil now and the fact that he has sustained many injuries due to his commitment to his national team , I would think that Manu would be a 5-7 mil player at teh most . Add the upcoming Olympics in 2012 and other National games needed , he seems like a high risk investment.
NY can not take chances on spending money on any risky , injury prone players and I think Manu , while I love him , cannot be considered unless its on the cheap.
Or unless things go way south in the summer.
Why would Ginobli leave the Spurs to come to the Knicks if things go way south?
Wait… why would Ginobli leave the Spurs?
South in the sense that their looking make a team out of 2nd to 3rd tier players.
That’s the thing, as much as I would love to have a look at guys like Allen or Manu, I see it very hard for players like that to leave their teams.
Forget about Ginobli, you are going to have to explain to me why any player that wants to win a a championship now would want to come to NY.
Look at this way.
The very best case scenario is that the Knicks sign Lebron and Bosh. Lebron, Bosh, Gallo, Chandler, Douglas and a bunch of filler (because that’s all we can afford after that double signing) will not win a championship next year because the team has no C, no PG, and no bench.
You would have to be willing to sacrifice next year and wait for Curry to come off the cap to add the final pieces.
Can you think of anyone in the position to win now that would throw that away to be part of a rebuild?
I can’t.
The only players that are going to be interested in coming here are guys that are primarily motivated by making more money ASAP and that don’t mind waiting an extra year or two to be really good. There are some players like that, but most of the top players are in a position to make more money with their current team and have better prospects of winning there too.
Put it this way ……
Id think it would be far wiser to assume that IF LBJ came to NY and he with the other max all agreed that in order for this to work they would need to not necessarily max out up front but on the back end . No way else we can add depth otherwise and being businessmen tha they are , they know the endorsement deals will fill in the rest of the numbers
LBJ+Bosch +Center
Add PG through trades
and then final pieces in 2011 as chemistry will need to be a major part of orientation in yr 1.
LBj+Bosh+Melo ?
Try and pry Rubio from Minny
Looks like T Mac is done which allows Gallo more PT and lets be honest , players play better playing along side great players
Lot ways to slice this pie but it starts with actually getting one of these guys.
Which I really dont see happening
Hey do you guys read espn the magazine? On page 88 theres an article called “mirror image” It is about on how Darren Collison is looking just like CP3 in that system. The basketball gods are trying to bless you with a gift to make amends for your screw ups donnie there giving you the sign!! CP3 CP3 CP3!!
You went the extra mile and then some to trade JJ now put the same if not more effort in trading for CP3!! It can be done We have the expiring contract and the young assets (Gallo & or Chandler) c’mon you old fart you can do it!! lol
What trade do you propose to make it work?
I’ll take ginobli and lee for the same price as just an amare, joe johnson, or bosh. (assuming we get lebron).
I think ginobli, if healthy (and thats a big if) is a better player than joe johnson (of course johnson is younger, more athletic, and alot less injury prone).
Ginobli is a great complimentary player, and if we got lebron, ginobli would be a great piece. he could be someone who ran the team when lebron is on the bench and he can spot up when lebron does his thing…
just my opinion
I think Manu is a great player at the finish line of a great run!! He is getting on a team thats contending! Geez what he could do on the Mavs or Lakers or Cavs or magic. he has always been underrated.
I think Manu is one of the best players in the game.
Not only that he has a HUGE following already here in NY.
Whenever the Spurs play in NY there are more fans waiting
for Manu than ANY KNICK.
Problem is, he’s is a slight guy who has been fearless in mixing it up
with the big guys in the NBA I think his body is falling apart.
If we have Gallo, Will Chandler, T Mac
not to mention the unmentionable FA’s we sign wouldn’t Ginobli, we’d
have a team of small and smaller forwards
Manu will never make it through another NBA season in good health..
That said I’d love to see him a knick..the definition of a baller
haha. Lee is gettting absolutely manhandled. This is crazy to start the game.
Same as always, Gallo absolutely sucks on the road. Its crazy, he almost never seems to play well on the road. He’s gotten wide open looks and hasn’t even been close really.
damn, Gallo sucks! Where is Mucha? this guy is NOT a deadly shooter. He is a streak shooter period!
BTW I am listening to the Spurs commentator and they are having a field day with the lack of D with the Knicks. They are literally saying, all you need is to be patient and you will definitely get your free look with the knicks. Sad to be disrespected like this.. but deserved.
Eddie House is a waste of skin!
wow. this is just ugly. Eddie House is awful right now. Terrible d and sloppy passing and bad shooting. I have no idea what Chandler is doing with some of his bad shots, and Gallo can’t hit the side of a barn right now. This could get really bad.
Tmac dominates the ball way too much. He needs to chill out a little
The coach is awful. How are u going to let the team go up the court pass one time and then shoot over and over again and then call time out only to continue that same pass and chuck D’Antoni stupid system. This is Y i think TOMMY DEE should have brain surgery. How can u support this coaching???
exactly! i posted below comment at the same time… couldnt agree more.
7 seconds or less… there’s only enough time for one pass lol.
is there any coaching going on at all? seriously offense, defense, no concept at all and no energy. its disgusting.. a miracle that we are only down 9
It’s the players’ fault. The “coach” doesn’t have his Olympic team yet.
Wait until he gets LeBron and Bosh THEN you’ll see what this “coach” can do! He’s “the greatest coach in the world”!!!
hahaha. it’s truly retarded how people make that argument..
I can coach LeBron and Bosh to a title…
It’s the worst excuse someone can use.
“He doesn’t have his horses”,
smdg
This really is disgusting. Tmac is just dominating the ball like crazy, Ginobli is too quick for Gallo even though he had a nice block on him but otherwise he is struggling. The offense is disgusting. Gallo is playing like he doesn’t even want to be out there in a awful effort. To make things worse, Tmac is absolutely killing any team offense and everyone is watching him, Lee, and harrington just chuck. Gallo doesn’t even want to touch the ball, nor is their even a reason for him to expect the ball he is so out of it. Tmac is killing this offense right now.
In italy is 4am almost,
i woke up my daddy( 75yrs) for the game,
as he sees gallo defending on manu
he said dantoni is a stupid coach
and went to bed again
Classic! thanks for sharing…
They say wisdom is wasted on the old and youth is wasted on the young.
He was wise to go back to bed.
OMG, that was hilarious because I could picture my father doing the same exact thing.
The ball movement is horrible. I don’t see no adjustments after time outs. I’m sick of seeing them switch on every screen. Whatever happened to fighting around the screen? I am sorry but it’s not just the players. Gallo is having a bad night but so freakn what. MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. Call some plays. Stop giving the SPURS time to rest on defense, while they get the fast breaks off of that 7 sec or less chuck or they just rebound and bring the ball up and make the KNICKS play defense. This team looks stupid and that’s because the coaching is horrible. FireD’Antoni.com
“I’m sick of seeing them switch on every screen.”
It’s either that or zone.
This “coach” has no clue about hat end of the floor.
…to make adjustments you need to have more tricks in your box than one. D’Antoni has proven over and over that he is not the ‘adjusting’ kind of coach lol. So let’s see:
1. No defense. (Expected)
2. No offense. (hey wait, I thought he was an offensive wizard? 7sol my a$$)
3. No chemistry. (no trust on defense, bonehead passing)
4. No Energy. (tip: run towards the open ball, not away from it.)
5. No ball movement. (dribble & chuck)
6. No late game adjustment (fouls to give and other little things that cost us games)
7. No timeouts when needed
yes it’s all on the players..
Haha
7 problems or less?
Ginobili is a old 33 meaning he s breaking down fast nd thsishis second career remember. I say no to Manu. The spurs are tooooo smart if they let him go something has to be wrong. And Tommy you think Duncan is the best PF ever. You mean he is the best avoider ever. When he came into the league he had robinson to excuse him from not playing center but when robinson left he stayed at PF why? to avoid going up against the top tier centers of the time namely SHAQ!! In fact Duncan is really the starter of the big man trend away from the center position. Garnett after Duncan decided he too was not a center. They realized they could last longer if they did not bang in the middle. People say the center position is void of talent thats not true the talent just ran away. So if we put Duncan in th actual position he should have been playing CENTER he is not even close to the best. Kareem, Russel, Reed, Shaq, Hakeem, Chamberlain there are probably more but Duncan is not even close to the top five SORRY! Lets not allow Duncan to weasal his way onto all time lists just because he says he is a PF Lee plays Center but we all know whate is. Duncunwouldave made a lot less all star nods if he was a center. I think Shaq in his prime would have taken a few from him.
He’s better than Shaq and Reed at the Center position imo. One could argue he’d be top 5 at the pivot spot.
HaS- you are very wrong. Duncan has never and will never as good as SHaq. I will give you this Duncun has been very consistent. However, his level of dominance has never reached Shaq’s. Shaq made centers run the PF (DUNCAN) positon and he made big men start floping. There isreal noting unique about Duncans game hes a finesse big man just like Hakeem and he is not Hakeem.
He is/has been listed at PF for most of his career, but comparing him to big men in general I still think he would be top 10 maybe close to top 5.
He’s better at guarding the pick and roll than Shaq ever was.
“However, his level of dominance has never reached Shaq’s.”
Duncan was unstoppable and he dominated a game at both ends of the floor. Obviously no one could guard Shaq in his prime, but Duncan could take you outside or inside and that bank shot from the wing was pretty (as much as I hated it the year he crushed the Knicks).
They dominated in different ways. Kareem was a “finesse big man” and was very dominant, probably the best big man to ever play the position. Shaq dominated with power and athleticism, that doesn’t make him better than Duncan. It’s close, but I would still give the edge to Tim.
It’s funny as hell when Harrington is open, but they don’t pass to him out of fear that they’ll never get the ball back lol
If the acquisitions next offseason were Ginobli, Camby and Ty Thomas, it would be an atrocious offseason.
a 33 year old sg, a 35 year old center, and a raw athlete with big question marks.
what?
So instead of building a championship contender, we would now be giving two old complimentary players the key to the kingdom to lead the team? This couldn’t have been very well thought out
Hey man, aren’t you paying attention? Tommy Dee (The point guard of Knicks information) says the “worst case scenario” is “multiple rings” after this summer.
lol.
hey i think a star player is coming here over the next 2 years worst case.
As a laker fan you’d know about stars and multiple rings, right?
So let me get this straight. you bitch and complain here until the lakers go on and then you change a name and go to a laker blog and tell everyone how awesomely smart you are?
let me know how that works.
“So let me get this straight. you bitch and complain here until the lakers go on and then you change a name and go to a laker blog and tell everyone how awesomely smart you are?
Nope.
Actually as much as loved the Lakers as a kid and I still consider them my 2nd fav team, I have no emotional connection to that team and I never liked Phil Jackson (difference between him and _’antoni is I respect Phil for his coaching ability).
I don’t go on any Laker blogs or even declare myself a fan and I disliked Kobe for a long time.
Being a Knick fan is probably the hardest thing I’ve done in life.
LOL I’m exaggerating, but damn not much.
and by “ability” you mean “coaching NBA legends?”
D’antoni beat him twice in the playoffs.
twice.
Phil has gotten the most out of some castoffs and headcases and also been able to juggle egos and personalities several times in his career.
“D’antoni beat him twice in the playoffs.
twice.”
Phil has been to the Finals as a coach 11 times and has 10 rings.
Ten.
and how many games do the knicks win with jackson this year?
this should be good.
Where did you read that? ginobili and camby or thomas with James…
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Can we talk about Eddie Curry after he finally plays at least one minute in a game and not oooohhhh he might play.
doug was wide open
I read somewhere a few posts up that Gallo seems like he doesnt even want the ball. The guy is BEGGING for the ball in the post on every trip down. David and Sergio were too busy running the PRR(Pick, Roll, Repeat) to pay him any mind.
In the second half they’ve given him the ball inside of the 3 point line and now look what he’s doing.
Run the offense through this kid.
Oh. and Clyde’s word of the day is “capricious”
i hate seeing AL chuckster going to the rim cuz i know it’s going to be a turnover he’s going to get blocked or rarely gets fouled
thats game knicks lost
Y is Gallo guarding Ginobli??? GREAT COACHING
cuz the fool has gallo playing like a guard
David Lee looking like a shmuck, dunking the ball with 7 second left, and no one guarding you.
“as David Lee just adds to his points total…” – Mike Breen
how many allstar games hairston has made?
so Gallo could have tied the game at 83 a piece. but we loose 87-97 a couple of minutes later. Typical. That says it all. Everybody on this team chokes with no exception.
i love Gallo, but i’ve been saying he has trouble in pressure situations… especially at the line.
I dont even blame gallo. he showed some heart in the final minutes taking the ball to the hoop.But the cross court pass to house was just dumb. But the other players, the so-called veterans just never fail to disappoint… All we needed were a couple of 3-pointers and the game would have shifted. The Spurs really sucked today.. what a shame.
Yo Ginoboli got game!!!! He is still playing young at a high level.
I think it would be a mistake to sign Ginobli unless we could get him on a short contract and sign Lebron because he’s clearly on the downside and has been injured quite a lot in the last two seasons. With him, it’s either win now or signing him was a waste of time because he’ll be totally shot in 2-3 years.
I really think we should be thinking about adding players in their mid 20s so that as Gallo, Chandler, Douglas and any second round picks we buy/draft develop they will all be peaking or playing solid ball at the same time.
I think Ty Thomas would be nice because he’s young, but I would not be totally against Camby if we limited it to a 2 year contract. He’s a lot like Ginobli from an age/injury perspective, but we so desperately need a C that can play defense and block shots, it would be worth it to rent him for two years just to be competitive no matter who else we sign.
actually, Manu is more inclined to find a way onto the cavs roster via s&t with than NY
its gonna be a brutal summer
Ginobili is an exciting player and a great fit for MDA and the Knicks. For Manu, it’s a chance to get more of the spotlight, which it seems he craves.
The Spurs want to shed salary and inject youth, so a S&T is possible if the Knicks pursue it.
Curry’s expiring contract + Chandler 4 Ginobili would be a good swap.
I think Chandler is a great fit for the Spurs system. The Spurs can then look forward to Curry’s and RJ’s combined expirings coming off the cap for 2011, and can restock a bunch of guys to try and get one more ring for TD and Pop.