“…Curry is averaging just 3.7 points and 1.9 rebounds in 8.9 minutes this season, and it’s pretty much an unknown what he can offer now. When D’Antoni was asked yesterday what his expectation was on what Curry could give the Knicks and also how much he would look to play him, the coach replied, “No idea and no idea.”
“With a lot of these guys, we’ll just kind of feel it out and see how he goes and he’ll tell me and I’ll look at it,” D’Antoni said. “I do want to play him and keep amping up the minutes a little bit. But I would imagine the first week or so is going to be kind of rocky, and we’ll have to go from there…”
What are we going to get from Curry? Who knows. I will say this though. He played really hard and with some snarl that game in Indiana back in November, and for a few moments, the ball went through him, offensively. It’s just impossible to ever expect that those games can happen over an entire season.
Frankly, I just don’t think he likes basketball all too much.
What a waste.
last time i saw curry on the floor he almost got into a fight, and was bringing intensity to the court. even if he’s not a shot blocker. as long as he doesnt mind throwin a hard foul or two, ill take it.
i wouldnt mind seeing him play 15-20 minutes tonight with that same intensity.
It is kinda of sad. I think he likes Basketball. Just think that way too much has gone wrong in his life. Another example of how kids should go to college at least for 2yrs.. But let’s be patient because that contract of his is gonna prove valuable come end of season and going all the way into next years trading deadline. Trams are going to be lining up to have that contract coming off their books next summer for a shot at CP3, Melo and whomever else is going to be available. It will all work out in the end thoughCurry got paid big bucks for almost 10yrs of his life. I hope he didn’t squander it all. And Donnie Walsh will have maximized Curry’s contract value. That last sentence written with my fingers crossed.
College for 2 years would not have helped Curry. It is just not in him.
I cant believe I am about to do this but Curry has been treated very unfairly and at least very unreasonably. In the last two years between injuries and horrible family issues Curry could have and maybe should have retired for a couple years to get his head together but the dude gets respect in my book for buckling down and focusing hard. The Staff asked him to get into significant shape for this coming year. Not only did he do that but came in like half his size. This hard work must have shocked D’ Antoni because he didn’t play him anyway and never had any intention of doing so. Its almost as though they hoped he would fall off the deep end and retire. Then instead of understanding that this season was really was not about winning but getting under the cap and trading Jefferies and Curry D’Antoni undermines this plan by playing the Benders of the world over Curry. Not a smart move. Now Curry who reasonably wants to get the hell out the there has very little trade value. Imagine if D’Antoni had actually played Curry, given him his minutes, and let him score like he is capable of we could have traded both Curry and Jefferies and there would be no doubt about getting a max star team next year. I just do not understand why Curry is singled out for lacking defensive presence when know one on this team has any as well. Would him playing really hurt the outcome of the game. Will they lose by 40 instead of 30 who cares!!. This is why i say this coach might have a serious ego and control problem because he seems to make decisions on whether he personally likes the player and not whether its good for the organization as a whole. He did it with Nate, with Hughes, Harrington, Marbury, Curry but not with Gallo, Chandler, Duhon, or Lee. Please tell what is the difference in win total between these players. This coach coaches with his heart lets start coaching with the brain please.
I believe that D’Antoni feels that pounding the ball into Curry slows down his offense, and based on the coach’s prototypical players that would be true.
He should have given Curry more time to get reacclimated to playing in a game, if for no reason other than to see if it could work (unlikely) or if he could have raised his value as a trade asset.
I am not a D’Antoni hater but, I do believe he could change his approach and adjust better to rookies, as well as players who are in situations such as Curry’s.
“Curry could have and maybe should have retired for a couple years to get his head together but the dude gets respect in my book for buckling down and focusing hard.”
Only reason Curry worked to get in shape is that the Knicks wouldn’t try to void his contract and he would “possibly” be able to earn another one from some sucker since he was going broke.
Who is to blame for Curry being vastly out of shape (which led to alot of his injuries) in the first place?
This is perfect for this coach to save face for the Darko thing. If Curry s-u-c-ks which is highly probable, it’ll prove that big men like him or Darko would have been useless in his system.
If Curry does ok, then the coach will be the first one giving Curry the playbook with the Mickadees cover! So either way, highly probable will become a sure thing very soon.
What if darko sucks in minny? What does that say? He’s been far from impressive over there.
That would mean he probably sucks! However at least he got a chance to prove it there!
What about J Hill? He’s playing well in Houston…
In the last two games he’s been given increased minutes… 23 and 27. And his stats are:
pts – 11.5
reb – 8
ast – 1.5
in roughly 25 minutes each.
i know two games is a small sample, but i think this one may come back to bite us.
but hey. if we get lebron then who care i guess
Yes your right his weight issues are his fault, however you are making my point because they asked him the loss weight with the malicous hope that he would fail and they would be able to void his contract. They never had any intention of letting him play even if he got in shape. Remember they did the same freaking thing with Marbury who also came to camp two year earlier in super shape. When Curry came to camp half his size they were dumbstruck because he totally called their bluff. This being said D’Antoni failed to realize that at that point nothing was more important than having Jefferies and Curry play inorder to raise there trade value. They did it with Jefferies and he failed horribly with Curry. This is walsh and the coaches fault not Curry’s.
Seriously I have posted Curry’s transgressions on various websites for the past 4-5 years. Now I’ll just say check his history. Curry has no one to blame but himself.
Anyone else notice Jordan Hill playing real well in Houston?
Nice going Walsh. Give away THREE assets just to get rid of JJ. He couldn’t find ANY OTHER team to take JJ and just give up ONE asset.
Donnie Walsh = trade deadline fail
As much as I wanted JJ gone, it was too high a price to pay, especially when Lebron doesn’t come here this summer. If Walsh was at all creative, he could have got rid of JJ for much less of a price.
In two-three years, Jordan Hill will probably be better than Brandon Jennings and David Lee. You heard it here first.
“Anyone else notice Jordan Hill playing real well in Houston?”
Yeah, a few of us have posted his #’s after each game.
“Nice going Walsh. Give away THREE assets just to get rid of JJ. He couldn’t find ANY OTHER team to take JJ and just give up ONE asset. ”
I think it’s obvious he couldn’t find any other team. As far as giving up 3 assets, I’ve said numerous times before that the Rockets will not be better than us next year. They are not that good a team and they won’t make the playoffs this year or next year. The West is just to deep and if your a team out there flirting with 500 ball or worse, you probably won’t make the playoffs. IMO..the Rockets won’t swap picks with us next year because they will have a better pick than us to start. Now, all of this is speaking on if we sign a max player this summer or revamp our roster the right way.
“As much as I wanted JJ gone, it was too high a price to pay, especially when Lebron doesn’t come here this summer.”
What about the people that think Lebron will come here next year? In my opinion (and plenty of others) NY is the only threat to take Lebron from Cleveland. There are more than enough pros for Lebron leaving Cleveland and coming to NY.
“If Walsh was at all creative, he could have got rid of JJ for much less of a price.”
Listen to you….what team do you GM again? Why don’t you give us an example.
“In two-three years, Jordan Hill will probably be better than Brandon Jennings and David Lee. You heard it here first.”
One more statement like that and it’s off to the ignore list you go.
Stay Patient playa
“I’ve said numerous times before that the Rockets will not be better than us next year. They are not that good a team and they won’t make the playoffs this year or next year”
Please use your magical power to see into the future to tell what the team’s record’s gonna be next year and to what stage in the playoffs will they get?
Oh yeah, and while you’re at it, it’d be nice to know what DW might be able to get back from EC’s contract…
Good for Hill, the guys’ proving a lot of people that he’s not a bust. Let’s see what the future holds for him.
“Good for Hill, the guys’ proving a lot of people that he’s not a bust.”
Is he at the same time proving that this “coach” is one?
We now know there were 2 big man on this roster at the beginning of the year who were quite capable of contributing, if not next to Lee, in place of him. The Knicks defense certainly wouldn’t have suffered for it.
I think most knew that before Hill. Personally, I was a bit fed up before the start of the season, but gave him a chance. Then, his behavior in so many aspects just did it. His coaching (or lack there of), his lack of leadership/communication, his unwillingness to develop young guys, his inability to gain the most of players (Gallinari is clearest example of how a player can regress under his “tutelage”), his stubborness (T-Mac’s case, everyone knew he couldn’t play many minutes right off, and that’s exactly what D’antoni did, he just ran him off the court until he felt pain again, for example).
He demonstrated that as a coach he can’t have decent, organized and disciplined ball with players that aren’t great, stars, etc. That, to me, isn’t a coach.
I thought it took big men time to develop and Hill wasn’t expected to do anything until next year.
That line was taken from from the book of Isiah!
it really amazes me how dense you people are.
Good thing there are smart people like you out there to balance it all out. Your basketball acumen is off the charts.
It’s more of the fact that they started the bum Jared Jeffries over him. If they didn’t have to trade Jeffries contract this year then you would of seen Hill probably from the second game, after they noticed Jeffries is a waste.
Its a good bet that us and houston will be around the same spot drafting next year.
They play in the west, which is always WAY more difficult to get into the playoffs (the real beromitor for this, as if they are in the lottery and we are not, there is no way they will switch).
Even if we strike out on the HUGE fa bonanza, there is a good chance we will be able to piece together a team that can make the playoffs in the east. If we are an 8th seed with a .500 record, but Houston has a .600 record and is out of the playoffs… we win.
It seems Houston is following the Detroit mold of no big superstars and a major team effort. Its commendable, but not close to guaranteeing anything.
Their division is as tough as they come, and jury’s still out of what the 2010-11 Knicks’ outlook will be like, but I really do hope we can get into the playoffs. Would I go so far as to say that Houston’ll stay out? I don’t know, they got a smart coach and GM that draft well and really know how to get the best out of their players.
If Yao can come back similar to what he once was, they’ll be fighting alright. Look at them this year, no Yao and their coming along fine.
“Even if we strike out on the HUGE fa bonanza, there is a good chance we will be able to piece together a team that can make the playoffs in the east”
WTF?
Please, let’s put a stay on Donnie’s execution until 7/12/2010!
I wasn’t happy at all with the deal he made to get rid of JJ, but we all knew he was looking to shed salary, and he became desperate.
But I’m not ready to stake him yet. He still go another draft to go through, he really should play it smart and try to get something more than those 2nd rounders, and of course, what we’re all looking for, the FAgency.
When that’s done, judgement day come for our GM.
And once the season starts, our “coach” will in the hot box, and my patience will be oh so thin
He can’t get more for those 2nd rounders w/o effecting the 2010 cap space. Unless you mean a future #1
It’ll end up depending on what Walsh’s game plan is. If he wants to go after 2 max guys, then he should just get those 2 2nd rounders to see how they turn out.
If wants to get 1 max, he’s got space to see what there can be done with late 1st rounders, there’s really interesting players to look at, imho.
“Nice going Walsh. Give away THREE assets just to get rid of JJ. He couldn’t find ANY OTHER team to take JJ and just give up ONE asset.”
The Rockets gained 4 assets in that deal, 3 draft picks + Jordan Hill and Jeffries’ expiring contract next year.
We got cap space, which is an asset if used correctly (not a given).
I agree, I think Hill will be better than Lee (effort at both ends of the floor imho guarantees that), better than Jennings I’m not sure (I think his playmaking is underrated at this point, a player who can make players around them better is invaluable).
Oh wait that’s 5 assets the Rockets gained.
Morey pretty much schooled the old veteran Walsh in that deal.
I think a lot of GM’s are gonna be in that Walshesqye “desperate mode” next deadline trying to save cash. That’s where EC come’s in. I’m not sure what’ll have to be packaged with him and I haven’t the slightest of what teams are gonna be willing to give up.
I do hope, that DW can play the Morey part next daedline instead of the rapee.
I do agree the Hill’s effots on both en + 2 years of development will make him a more complete player than Lee has been in the past. I really want Walsh to use smartly his contract to get something in return, what he should’ve done a season ago, or even this past deadline.
Just listening to Jordan Hill speak tells me that he is not an assassin!
I tend to question his ceiling and I just do not sense the confidence or killer instinct being there.
Well the fact that the Knicks wouldn’t have enough capspace for 2 max FA’s with Hill on the roster is ironic. We needed a BAD BAD deal to have enough money to make some noise in the FA market. Morey robbed us though, whatever.
That’s just it, I know giving up Hill + those picks wasn’t easy but Walsh was in a desperate spot for that cash that just gave in, I was just left with the feeling that Morey slipped some roofies into DW’s drink to make him his bitch, bacause it was too much to give.
So that’s why I hope come the next deadline, Walsh will in Morey type situation, using the desperation of other GM’s to get what he needs, which I hope is young assets + picks + a big contract.
If you check it out, there’ll a bunch of teams looking to save money next year.
“So that’s why I hope come the next deadline, Walsh will in Morey type situation, using the desperation of other GM’s to get what he needs, which I hope is young assets + picks + a big contract.”
Let’s hope so.
Maybe if the coach had been playing Hill consistently from the start of the season (10-15) he would have shown enough where he + JJ would have been enough to make that deal happen.
A full year with Aaron Brooks, Kevin Martin, Trevor Ariza, Luis Scola, Shane Battier, Chase Budinger, Jared Jeffries, Chuck Hayes ( with Yao Ming coming back maybe?) is not necessarily incapable of making the playoffs in the West.
I agree – that’s why Hill’s lack of PT was killing me. He’ll be a pretty good NBA player.
The Cavs showcased JJ Hickson heavily (with basic plays like the P&R for example) before the trade deadline, I can’t understand why Mike D’Antoni didn’t do it with Hill.
Knicks + Player development = Fail.
Hill’s lack of PT, imo, shows how DW and D’antoni weren’t on the same page. If showcasing him was the plan, there should be talks so this situation goes through. Instead, Hill sat on bench having a good time while GM’s saw him as an 8th lottery pick.
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“Knicks + Player development = Fail.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twV7gaWsYSQ
Near the end of the clip the announcers say “Rick Adelman is giving him confidence by leaving him on the court” this was said with less than 5 mins left in the 4th quarter.
Ironic.
Exactly.
D’Antoni has done a TERRIBLE job with Hill.
Still don’t understand why Walsh just didn’t trade out of the first round in 2009 (and get a 2011 or 2012 first round pick) if he was worried about the cap hold the #8 pick (Hill) would have on available 2010 cap space.
Why did he even pick Hill at all?
He wasn’t worried back in June of 09′ about the cap hold, he had to through Hill in to close the deal with Morey.
Throw
He should have been. If his plan really was always about 2010.
Sometimes one must give to get.
I have taken losses in the past to free up the equity required to make a favorable investment, and in most cases, I have been successful.
As they say “without risk, there is no reward”.
Just out of curiousity, where are you getting 3 picks plus Hill from? There’s the 2011 swap (which may not be even be an asset gained by Houston if we make the playoffs next year and they don’t), and the 2012 pick – that’s it. It’s Hill and the 2012, with a possible 2011 pick upgrade. I count 1-2 picks plus Hill.
Maybe I’m wrong but initial reports said there was also a 2nd rounder thrown in going to the Rockets.
gotta love this site.
The whole season, DW is a moron because he drafted the bust in Hill.
Now that he trades hill, DW is a moron becuse he traded the next big thing.
Yes, Houston did well at the deadline. It is to be expected, they had a position of strength (they didnt have to trade TMac at all), have a smart GM and was dealing agaisnt a team who was desperate. Everyone everywhere knew we wanted to trade JJ and nobody was looking to do us any favors.
it IS possible for a trade to help both people involved. Just because Houston did well does not mean we did bad. DW and co felt that Hill was a reasonable price to pay to get further under the cap.
I agree with the notion that Hill was a “reasonable price to pay” now considering that we’ll have enough capspace for 2 max FA’s.
But maybe the Knicks didn’t have to throw away a 2012 1st round draft pick and the right to switch picks in 2011 – they should have showcased Jordan Hill before the trade deadline, period.
What if he played like shit?
Then he loses the value of mystery!
You would tend to think that a top 10 player would show something positive given the playing time. If Walsh/Dantoni can’t be confident in showcasing their top 10 pick then I don’t know why they would have bothered drafting him in the first place. They are supposed to be future big role players in the NBA, no?
You are absolutely right in your analyse. For some of the fans DW will never get it right. Houston picked up JJ and Hill and is sitting with no cap space come July 2010. They chose the players and gave us cap space. Both teams win. Hoping JJ and Jordan do well in Houston. Hoping the Knicks do well with free agency. Simple as that.
DW got what he wanted, he’ll get tons of money to sign the players he sees fit and we’ll finally see who’s a Knick and who isn’t by July.
Personally, I was never on the “Hill’s a bust” wagon, I actually though, and think, that the kid has a future, specially playing under Adelman, who really knows how to get the most out of players, on both ends.
After all we’ve talked about losing picks (specially with the upcoming draft and the chance we missed and whatnot), what was sacrificed for the 31 mil or so really should be seized to max degree, because losing so many assets should be repaid.
In a trade like this, always one GM has to give in, and in this case, though he got partially what he wanted, Walsh gave more than he wanted. In any case, good luck to DW for this summer because the pressure will be heavy on his shoulders.
The whole season, DW is a moron because he drafted the bust in Hill.
Ummm no.. Thewhole season it was WHY cant the 8th pick in the draft get at least 10 minutes of PT a game on a horrible team that needs a defensive presence in the front court..
And the response from the DW-lovers was Hill needs time to develop, he is not ready for rminutes,,”be patient by friends” and we will be rewarded with the next Amare..
Then when we traded him it was “he wasnt getting any minutes and wasnt gonna be great so we might as well get the space for two max guys..
Hill’s value was near zero for one reason. The coach didnt showcase the his talent and put him in a position to succeed. we dont know what he will be but what we do know now is he CAN contribute meaningful minutes.
maybe a few of the haters were saying that. but not the majority.
also with that. he has had 2 good games. We should not go booking his allstar appearances yet. He also had that 7 min, 3 foul, 0 point game right before that one. sooooo… maybe he is an inconsistent rookie and you guys just look for any reason to hate.
Not to mention the fact that his only 2 good games since the trade have been agaisnt the wizards and the pistons. Two teams that may be worse then the knicks. So that could be a reason as well.
Personally, I would have liked a little more HIl, but some coaches need to be blown away by a rookie to play them. Its not how I would coach, but its a very common thing.
also, how could you say his value was near zero. He was one of the major pieces that helped us get rid of JJ… something many many people thought was a near impossibility.
And let’s not forget, that if not for Arn Tellum (TMac’s agent) pushing all parties towards including the Knicks into the trade for the sake of directing TMac to NY, it is possible that
Houston just makes the trade with Sacramento, and they don’t take what the Knicks were offering.
Wow! The way I heard it was that many of us were ticked that Hill didn’t get much PT after being after our high 1st round Draft pick! So alsh took a hit by not having his dense coach keeping this dude on the bench and not getting him some PT to develop.
But it’s all good now because we have T-Mac! Is he playing tonite or is he still getting spackle put on that knee?
Yikes! You basically says our GM was duped but yous still find a way to turn that into a plus. hahahahahaha
It’ll be nice to see Curry get some PT so this coach can uses that to be prove why he did what he did to Darko! Buy hey, we aren’t going anywhere so he can put Herb Williams in too!
As crazy as it sounds, I wanted the Knicks to take Hill in that spot and predicted they would. I saw him a little in college and watched some video of him, and I believe he could have been getting 12 and 8 with a couple of blocks by the end of this year… we would have just had to deal with the fouls for awhile. He was our first chance at a foundational big man since we let the Pacers get Jermaine O’Neal. I see him becoming a smaller version of Alonzo Mourning in a few years. Even if we had to trade him, letting a first round pick develop and showcase himself may have gotten us a first round pick in return. I have not agreed with alot of what Donnie has done, but I know he knows more than I ever will and probably has tricks up his sleeve for the next year. But I did not like including Hill in that trade at all. I will be pissed in two years if we are looking for a big man like Hill to help win a championship, ’cause with all the talk about needing a big man, the only names that come up are Bosh, who may not come, and Camby, who won’t be here after two years if he does.
THANK YOU gbaked !
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Couldn’t have said it better. EVERYONE or almost everyone was saying hill was a bust remember after the 55 points by bj?
“Anyone else notice Jordan Hill playing real well in Houston?”
I mentioned this the other day. I blame D’Antoni for not giving him an opportunity to play more that I blame Walsh.
D’Antoni’s System = fail
+1
The key the whole season was to get rid of Jeffries so he basically started all the games. Then you had Donnies pal AL who was basically his backup so there was really no time for Hill to be in the lineup.
Remember it was key for Knicks to trade JJ. But once the Knicks started sucking then Hill should of been starting, the only disagreement I have with the situation.
Let’s hope that Eddy can show the world that he can still play basketball in the NBA. As a Knicks fan, I am rooting for Eddy to succeed. Not to mention there are very few available centers to take his place. Most of the league is playing with undersized centers because the bigs just have no game. Desagana Diop is not the answer.
“Not to mention there are very few available centers to take his place.”
Take his place on the bench?
In the fast food line at an Atlantic City buffet?
At Chip and Dale’s?
LMAO
“For years Eddy has fallen into the attitude of being in the league is a right of his or an entitlement as opposed to a privilege. This has affected his work ethic and dedication to being in shape negatively and ultimately hindered his once promising career. ”
-www.NyKnicksBeat.net
Great quote.
I think that’s an oversimplification. jmo.
Here we go again is right Tommy. Over/under for time of reinjury at 5 games or 20 minutes of pt total? What an enormous waste of talent(both literally and figuratively speaking). As for Hill, it just goes to show what complete disgrace this entire season has been. We could have been playing Hill and Douglas, and featuring Gallo and Chandler, but instead we played JJ(who really increased his trade value by the way LOL complete fail) and Suckhon all year, and featured Chucketts and Lee, who both will almost certainly be gone. What a fantastic job rebuilding. We suck and are a joke of a franchise. Now we have unknown but potentially great talent in Gallo and Chandler, and we know that Suckhon sucks and Chucketts chucks. What a succesful season.
Also, why did Walsh have to wait to the exact deadline to get rid of JJ. It’s hard to believe someone wouldn’t have simply taken Knicks 2012 first rounder simply to take JJ back. Especially for a team with no 2010 cap space anyway.
I honestly believe Walsh simply didn’t get creative and more aggressive EARLIER in the process. He waited too long and limited his options to Houston and paid the price.
Hill will be better than Lee and Jennings in about 2-3 years time and Knicks will look foolish when all they get is an overpaid Joe Johnson and an overpriced David Lee this summer.
Getting rid of JJ alone would not have freed up enough salary cap to sign a second max.
We also had to get rid of Hughes and Hill’s $3 mil contract.
Camby has interest in the Rockets.
“I actually live in Houston in the offseason, so I always thought about in the latter part of my career playing down there. But I like the situation here in Portland. They’re definitely in need of big men. So I’ll just have to weigh my options.”
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=994231
A good defender with size, that can protect thet middle and get some blocks is something of desperate need on this team. Despite his age, Camby’s got another strong season ahead of him, imo, and I would really hope he takes NY as a serious destination. If things don’t work with Camby, Haywood might be available but I don’t see him leaving Dallas.
I see size as a main necessity, and something DW sould look to solve through the summer.
Curry not liking basketball is the truth, and it’s the reason he’ a “bust”.
He will ultimately be a footnote in Knicks history, as the guy that played center between Marcus Camby’s two stints as a Knick.
Marcus will be back in NY next year, and be a huge part of the team’s revival. I think he has 5 seasons left in him. 2-3 as a starter, and a couple more as a defensive reserve a la Deke in Houston.
Are you wathcing, Leon Rose? We’re trying! We’re giving Eddy every opportunity! Make sure that your other client, Lebron James, knows how hard we are trying to make our player happy!
why all the hate on DW the man did his job i like that i dont blame him 4 letting go of hill the man wanted some star power here or jus 2 c what he can do in this jersey as a test run i dont blame him 4 hill not playing or giving up a pick thats 2 yrs from now you never know he may get the pick back or a better 1 jus 4 giving up curry so complain cant do nothing all we can do as fans is cuss @ our tv or go 2 the game & cuss in the stands but he did his job it is MD’s job to get the guys to the place we need them 2 be on gameday
tru or not?
Curry + Chandler for Rubio?
Curry+Douglas+ one second rounder for rubio would be better
We should also ask them to throw in Jefferson and Love.
how is Curry and Chnadler for rubio not fair, if they dont trade him next year they’l get lowballed with every team knowing they lose his rights after the third year
In a completely unrelated topic has anyone gotten a chance to see Jarvis Varnado out of Miss St play? Yeah he is only 6’9 but considering they are saying he is late 1st round early 2nd I think he would work for us, guy is an amazing athlete and apparently has a 7’4 wingspan and is a great rebounder and shot blocker.
I have recently come under the belief that we should try and get as many 2nd round picks as possible and so considering that free agency is a complete unknown for now I will focus all my attention on the 2nd round of the draft, and with the tourney coming up we will get to see a lot more players
I read a similar post, and I agree with you in the sense that DW should take a long hard look at the draft to see if there’s anything that he likes.
I’ve been of the idea of getting a late 1st rounder, but if he wants 2 max guys, the money just won’t be there. It all depends on his game plan.
I’ve seen Varnado, and imo the guy needs a lot of work. I do think a kid like that might come in handy, no question. The kid’s a blocking machine, he’s great rebounder but his lack of strength doesn’t allow him to have a decent post game, and his deffensive skills aren’t really that good..
I agree with your sentiment that he isn’t an offensive player and going by D’Antoni’s history it would seem like we shouldn’t draft projects, but as you said the guy is a blocking machine and that was my major reason for mentioning him, because everyone knows this team is lacking a inside presence on the D end and having a someone who can help defend to alter shots would be a big impact.
Also it is possible that the post you had seen earlier was mine since I had mentioned the 2nd round picks thing before
Yeah I think it was, and again, I agree, there’s always assets. Thing is, we know that D’antoni won’t give him hard minutes, and in that sense, their presence will probably be more noticed by fans than by the coach.
I agree that inside presence is much needed, hence DW’s interest in Camby, but the guy’s gonna need help, and a player of his experience could guide the kids. It’s up to Walsh
Another kid that I really hope falls into the 2nd is MSU’s PG Kalin Lucas. The kid’s got speed, he’s got the jump shot, he’s got the handle, speed and hustle on D. I like what he shows. Although hw’s probably getting taken late 1st, but I hope he falls into the 2nd, it’d be great.
why do ya’ll want 2 trade chandler or douglas 4 a player you have never seen except on utube where he doesnt look all that impressive 2 me that jus sounds dumb sorry but i had 2 say it
I hear ya! Besides, we’re getting 2 max playas unless we don’t! How can ya error with a full proof plan like that?
Kinda makes the real object of putting together a winning team seem soooo immaterial doesn’t it?
Even if we got LBJ, we still need a real effective pt guard and a defensive center minimum. Having LBJ run the pt is not the best use of his talent. LBJ needs to be able to play off the ball like a Kobe and give other teams a headache from anywhere on the court, from posting up to being on the wings.
LBJ isn’t a PG, that would be a serious mistake. But having such a smart guy on the team, imo, gives you the chance of drafting a PG and gving him the job, you know, or either get S-Rod on a new contract.
That’s why I’m all for getting LBJ and surround him with cheaper guys, or anyone he asks. Getting 2 max would leave this team with serious depth of roster.
My rant.
I hear ya but I would think LBJ would need more of a commitment that having a bunch of cheap guys around him. Cheap or No cheap, LBJ wants a chance to win a ring. Unless he plans to wrestle Eddie Curry’s onion rings from him, he might be very dissappointed!
The good part about Curry playing is that we can slide Lee to PF and see if he can be as effective offensively as a PF as he is as a C. If he can then we can sign someone like Camby to play C and keep Lee. Otherwise Lee MUST GO because he can’t defend Cs!
+1. Although unfortunately Curry is just as bad a defender as he is.
Lee can’t guard PF’s either.
WOW!! The donnie cult is out in full force today huh?
“Why all the donnie hate” “donnie did his job” ” “hill was a bust @ first now we want him”
I am reading this crap and its like wow are these knick fans or donnie image consultants trying to put spin on all his screw ups? First off nobody is hating on him that would suggest we are making things up to tarnish him, he has not done his job which includes doing your due diligence when scouting talent before drafts! Using top 10 LOTTERY picks to fill the biggest needs of the team! not flip flop flopping on positions if where blowing it up for cap space then blow it up, if we are trying to be competitive then do that dont half ass it! People with a half a brain understand the trading of hill is donnie signaling that he blew a LOTTERY pick! You say thats not true? Then ask yourself if you would have been just as cool if the trade included Gallo rather then Hill.
This is fact not hate I am a Knick fan not a donnie fan! I will not make any excuses for his screw ups that have set the team back a few years just as I wont make excuses for Lee not playing Defense or N8′s lack of basketball IQ or this coaches inability to adapt to players control his own ego or inforce a defensive mind set on the team.
So we all have the right to our but not our own facts my fellow Knick fans!!
So we all have the right to our own opinions but not our own facts! *
Now Now! You’re gonna make DVJ cry………..again!
lol donnie keeps a hankie handy for him lol
The funny thing is _’antoni and Walsh have admitted to mistakes that their fans won’t even admit they made.
In their fans’ eyes they can do absolutely no wrong and just in case they have their “it’s ok if they strike out this summer” spiel all fired up and ready to go.
I guess the Knicks have gotten so bad that the fans have turned their back on the team and developed man-crushes on the GM and “coach”.
lol. You’re so on pt here. We have lived with not being winners do long that it’s natural to most of us!
I debate my friends all the time on this and they usually quit by saying I’m just a know it all” hahahaha I’m a Knicks, Mets, and Jets Fan and I know it ALL? hahahahahahahahahaha My dog picks better teams than I do!
It’s quite comical how people will put up a defensive posture when the truth is spoken. Maybe that’s what _avi_ lee needs! Finally I got to spell his name correct. I fucked it up last time by using _avid lee. Yes, I’m ree-tarded too! lol
I see we suffer together as fans of all the same teams!! lol
lmao! I’m not the only one ree-tarded? lol At least my dog knows I’m not alone!
lol no where just eccentric!! lol
Frankly, I dont see any more reason to talk about Eddy Curry . Let his game speak for its self when and if it ever comes around .
He finally will have some value next year when he comes off the books . Thats about it .
curry is still the knicks BEST PLAYER
No surprise there…Eddy Curry didn’t play because his calf is hurting. He sucks…what a complete waste.