“…There is a growing sentiment among opposing team executives that at the very least the Knicks will sign Atlanta‘s Joe Johnson, whose agent, Arn Tellem, orchestrated the Tracy McGrady trade to the Knicks and has been friends with Walsh for 20 years. It’s called a “wink-wink deal,” and even though it is against NBA rules, the practice does exist and is nearly impossible to police.
“I think that’s a done deal,” said one Eastern Conference GM.
If Walsh can’t land either James or Dwyane Wade but ends up with Johnson, another option is luring Toronto‘s Chris Bosh in a sign-and-trade. Sources claim the Raptors would be open to such a deal if it included David Lee…”
I’ve said that the decision on Lee is the first order of business. My guess would be that in order to get Bosh, the Knicks may have to include Wilson Chandler in the deal. Realistically, I’d want Marco Belinelli back if Chandler had to go. I wonder if Lee and Toney Douglas could bring them back Bosh. This is where the evaluation stage comes in. I wonder if Chandler could be a deal breaker, seeing that the Knicks can also use him to land a pretty solid big or PG via trade.
Lee would be a great pairing for Andrea Bargnani at the 4 and if they added Chandler that would certainly help their depth. I think that would be a great deal for the Raptors and obviously a great starting point for the Knicks.
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I would like to get rid of Lee for something in return, but not at the expense of Wilson too. Ill pass. We have given up enough good young talent as it is. We can’t bring Bosh in with no team around him. Toronto has some good talent around him and they are still barely above .500. No way on this deal.
thats cuz bosh is a second rate star
he needs another star to win
no thanks TO THE GUY THAT LOOKS LIKE raptor
You guys are insane if you wouldn’t trade Lee and Chandler for Bosh.
Knick fans overrate their players so much it is sickening.
But to each his own. We shall see July 1.
+ 1
Yea, I wouldnt include Wilson in that deal.
Lee and change for Bosh, i dont mind.
im sorry i just dont understand this …..
we traded away future 1st rounders and the #8 pick in the the draft for cap space to sign a bosh outright …
now you want to pair wilson chandler or tony douglas with david lee to toronto to S&T for him ???
what am i missing here??
waive lee and sign bosh ouright .. i dont get it ??
We traded picks to create space to be flexible to start from scratch and have the ability to have 2 max players on the roster.
but what is the advantage to trading lee with Chandler and Douglas for him when we can just get him as a free agent and keep our two young players?
i dont get it. is there something i’m missing here?
Bosh can get more in a sign and trade then signing with the Knicks straight up.
The Raptors do it because otherwise they lose him for nothing.
My confusion is why would Lee agree to go to Toronto?
if it’s a sign and trade Bosh has to agree to it anyway and want to come to NY
why not just sign him outright …..
<– confused
It is my understanding, and if I’m wrong I’ll surely be corrected, that such a deal allows Bosh to be signed for more and longer a la his Bird rights, and then be traded. Hence, the extra piece or pieces needed to complete the deal from the Knick’s end. Same thing for Lee, even though I’m not endorsing him as a max player, but I guess it could get him the extra year.
Straight up would be okay, maybe with Douglas, but Chandler is too consistent and solid to be a thow-in unless somebody else, both good and needed position-wise, is coming back with Bosh.
Just my two cents worth, of course.
Tommy!!!!!!!!!!!
Your going to ruin the surprises that are coming in April.
Let the naysayers keep complaining about the Hill trade and how we swapped picks lol.
Sorry, I meant July
Man,are you the worlds biggest asshole or what?
Everyone agrees bro
Not the biggest a hole but close. The biggest A hole in the Knick’s world is James Dolan.
oh interesting. you took a poll ?
FYI. i dont agree, bro.
if Bosh wants to come to NY we would be doing the raptors a HUGEEEE favor by sending them Lee in a S&T as opposed to him just walking away from them and getting nothing in return ..
i thought S&T’s were for teams who were over the cap and not us …
DVJ i liked and support the hill trade .. you know that
but please explain here …. the benefits to us in a S&t
“ut please explain here …. the benefits to us in a S&t”
There is no benefit to us except getting Bosh of course.
However, Walsh will most likely trade Lee to them because they can organize a sign a trade if they wanted to. This will allow Bosh to get his Max deal as if he were staying with the Raptors.
We’re not trading Chandler to them because we don’t have to. Walsh will probably send some $$. We’ll be so far under the cap, we can send them whatever we want. We can even send them draft picks AND THAT’S IT!!!
Bosh gets his full amount of $$ if they do a sign and trade.
Yeah I don’t get why we would do that. I would like to get value for Lee, but its just ridiculous to throw in Chandler just so we would have to Pay Bosh much more than just letting him become a free agent anyway. Ridiculous as I already said. How much young talent are we going to give up?
bosh + Belinelli + Jose Calderon
for
Lee + Chandler + Curry + walker/picks
sound crazy?
Yes it does sound crazy.
Why are you sending them Chandler and Walker?
We’re not in the passenger seats of these trades anymore.
We’re in the drivers seat.
We have the money now..which means we have all the options and all the flexibility.
I wasn’t planning on having this convo until July but since Tommy let the cat out of the bag I guess I’ll have it now.
You don’t give up a young core player in a sign and trade when your that far under the cap.
Lee is fine because he’s looking for a lot of money and Toronto will probably give it to him.
If LBJ and wade resign, the knicks are no longer “in the drivers seat”
at that point Donnie would be desperate because he knows he gave up a hell of a lot to make major moves in 2010, not 2011.
Lee for Bosh straight up doesn’t work because the salaries won’t match. the knicks would have to include other players. I don’t think Donnie would include chandler in that deal. i don’t know what Tommy is talking about.
Knicks will be under the cap, they do not have to match salaries.
Actually it’s not that crazy
Unloading Curry in a cross S&T Lee / Bosh essentially means signing Bosh for 6 or 7 M$ of cap space instead of 16 M$
I wouldn’t take Calderon though … Bosh @ 18 /Jack for Curry/Lee @ 11/Chandler/Cash ?
We would still have around 25 M$ of cap space after this trade. Thats J Johnson & Camby & Scola, easy
starting 5 : Jack / JJ / Gallo / Bosh / Camby
Bench : SRod / T-Mac / Walker / Scola / 2 picks
Nice plan B !
Lee and Curry for Bosh.
I would do that in a heartbeat, but i think Lee would only do that if Toronto pays him 12 mil per. Do you think toronto would be willing to pay that much for Lee?
Minor detail: Toronto will have other offers for Bosh.
Don’t let that stand in the way of dreaming though.
Yes
Ummm yeah…That’s wayyyy too much. That would be giving up the store and ALL of our chips. Lee + Douglas should get you Bosh.
Lee + Douglas should get you Bosh. (from a talent perspective). I know the numbers dont work. We may need to get somebody else involved. Donnie has to get creative.
Why do we overvalue Douglas. There are over 30 rookies better than him right now.
AHhhhhhhh thanks bro
again in the end … all about the Dollarzzzzzz
more cash for bosh that way i see
althought maybe it wouldnt even take that much to get Calderon …
seems like they like Jack alot more for some reason
Bosh/ bel/ Jose
Lee/ Curry/ Wilson
maybe even a pick coming out way?
i like jose alot .. great 3 pt shooter .. up tempo player, good a/to ratio
No, your missing the point.
First of all, when you do a sign and trade…you can’t take back more than one player.
In other words, if we do a sign and trade with Bosh, he’ll be the only player we can take back. We can’t take back Jose or Bellinelli (why would we anyway)…….
Fair point about adding players…if true, I stand corrected.
DVJ, where’d you find that? I’m looking around and can’t find that rule anywhere…….
got that wrong..
Check the Eddy Curry deal..
he came to NYC in a sign and trade WITH Antonio Davis
Curry was not a UFA at that time the way Bosh is this summer.
Nice try though homey.
Better luck next time trying to call me out lol.
All the balls are in our corner…not Toronto’s. Botton line is they will take a loss if Bosh leaves.
Comment by DVJ
2010-03-12 16:14:54
No, your missing the point.
First of all, when you do a sign and trade…you can’t take back more than one player.
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/curry_traded_051004.html
Bulls Re-Sign Curry, Complete Sign-and-Trade with Knicks
October 4, 2005 – The Chicago Bulls convey to the New York Knicks the contract of Antonio Davis and the signed-and-traded contract of Eddy Curry. In exchange, New York conveys to Chicago the contracts of Tim Thomas and Michael Sweetney, the signed-and-traded contract of Jermaine Jackson, and New York’s regular second round draft choice in 2007 and 2009.
In addition, New York conveys to Chicago, New York’s 2006 regular first round draft choice on condition that the pick does not actually go to Utah (due to not being number 26-30) and also on condition that New York receives San Antonio’s 2006 regular first round selection (due to being number 11-30).
If New York’s 2006 first round does go to Utah (due to being number 26-30), and New York does receive San Antonio’s 2006 first round pick (due to being number 11-30), New York conveys to Chicago that San Antonio first round selection.
In addition, New York also conveys to Chicago the right to switch first round draft picks with New York in 2007 provided that New York’s first round selection does not go to Utah (is not number 25-30). Per team policy, terms of the contract were not disclosed. This trade is conditional upon the players passing their physicals.
Again….Curry was not a UFA when this went down. Only time you can do what the Knicks and Bulls did is if it’s a RFA not an UFA.
All good though.
I read that article and it makes me cringe each time.
you got a link for that homie?
I read the CBA differently.. there is NO difference between UFA and RFA for sign and trade purposes.
All good though
If Bosh tells Toronto that he wants NYC or any team for that matter, then Toronto signs and trades him, or simply loses him with no compensation whatsoever!
***Comment only meant for those who don’t already know that.
“(why would we anyway)…….”
Because he’s Italian.
Wilson Chandler isn’t the brightest bulb in the tunnel, but that still would be too much to give them both them guys for Bosh…Has anyone ever heard of anyone raving about Chandler’s basketball IQ? Nice player and nice guy though
Tommy, if we get Belinelli back, 100% pull the trigger. Straight up? I think hard about it… It might take a little bit more for me to do it, but Wil being Wil is certainly not what would hold up a trade; it’s the extra asset without getting one back.
Im pretty dissapointed with bellinellis play.
i thought he’d take off in toronto.
they wouldve had a great 2 guard rotation in belli and the dermar
repost
Now, we are throwing in more young talent, Chandler. Next we wil hear Cavaliers are open to a sign and trade Lebron for Gallinari, Walker, Douglas and 2100 (Not a typo) picks. We will have a team of Bosh, Lebron and Curry. and we still have 2011 flexibility!
What happened to this plan?
Source: Picks Holding up Deal
By Tommy Dee – Feb 15, 2010 11:31 pm
As you know I’m a Jordan Hill believer, but to use him to move Jeffries seems to be the right play as it would wipe away nearly $10 million dollars in salary cap space for **this** summer.
Walsh Puts Plan in Motion
By Tommy Dee – Feb 18, 2010 2:40 pm
Say what you want about Donnie Walsh, he has a plan. We know this but now we know just how committed he is.
Understand this, the move was for Lebron, yes, but more importantly it’s for Lebron’s next 10 years. And it gives the team the ability to start from scratch.
We’re not giving up Chander.
Drop that out of your mind ASAP.
It would take at least Chandler and Lee to acquire Bosh from Toronto in a sign and trade man. Stop overrating the Knicks.
But what’s Torontos other option ?
Get nothing in return for Bosh?
I don’t doubt that they’ll have other trade proposals from other teams.
but i dont think the raps are in a position of strength for negotations.
they could lose bosh for nothing. or get something (lee)
they’ll take a guy like bynum over lee
Tommy aren’t you the one who says that we might not get two max players now your saying that we traded away picks/players for a shot at 2max players?Donnie Walsh himself has said that he has never said anything about having to get 2max type players. Bosh is good. Real good but Lee & Chandler is too much. We already have paid through the nose. It has to stop somewhere.
We’re not giving up Chandler.
Drop that out of your mind.
We “might not get” but have “a shot at” 2 max players… Not seeing how what he said is illogical? Donnie’s not one to tip his hand before the betting is done, that’s for sure.
no, I’m always the one saying that with flexibility comes options. and we are in a great position. I have no idea how the whole thing will shake out. Just throwing out options.
what options would YOU be happy with?
seems strange to ask the readers/commenters the question yet say yourself that you are OK just having options. if that is your stance.
i think ive read who you feel is a “star”
Lebron/wade/Paul/Melo
Clearly Donnie HAS TO come away with a STAR this summer. If he is to try to add a “star” in 2011 why give up the picks and Hill?
If it’s about 2011 why did he trade anybody in the first place. As far as I can remember they all came off in 2011. So in reality I think all those trades were bogus and we gave away draft picks, potential core players and our self-esteem as a franchise.
“…and our self-esteem as a franchise.”
That’s gone too.
He’s just trying to spark conversation on his free blog that you seem to enjoy reading/posting on.
Doesn’t seem strange to me to ask for reader’s comments.
The writer (and DVK) hasn’t made THEIR opinion clear.
I know DVJ wont come out and make that statement,. But he backed down from his demand for top ten protection on the Hill/JJ trade.
Who would TOMMY and DVJ be happy with?
It seems as though just having the options is enough.. And from there it’s in Donnie THey Trust.
ITHINK Tommy would be OK making a move for Melo (of CP3?) in 2011 if Donnie strikes out . I havent heard either call the plan a failure if that happens. Clearly it would be b/c everyone would have been gone in 2011 anyway.
I get that we HAD TO take the chance but the consequences to the plan not working is it was a FAIL. Nothing else about it.
(checking my private email now for a scolding) jk jk.
Personally, i couldnt care less what their opinions are.
I don’t think they have access to much more information than I do. We’re all just speculating at this point.
yes,but DVJ can pretend that he has “inside info”.it makes him feel so much more important than us peasants on the outside,who are so much more uninformed than he.”well now that Tommy let the cat out of the bag” He wont say anything until AFTER its done,then he’ll give you the old “I KNEW IT ALL ALONG” bullspit
Tommy and DVJ will not answer this.
Stop wasting your time.
Belinelli is not that good
We wouldn’t be able to get him in the sign and trade anyway.
We would only be able to take back one player and that player is Bosh.
Bellini doesn’t even get that much run.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg2u_De8j5o&feature=related
no.
Kwayry … good post .. my thoughts exactly
No it wasn’t
Tommy is giving his opinion on things.
Just like the rest of you here.
Chandler will not be traded when we’re that far under the cap.
It makes no sense. If Lee wants to go fine….
The point of Walsh’s job is to win. I’d take Bosh over Lee and Chandler ANYDAY.
Bosh is a better player than Lee and Chandler. Unless Chandler and Lee fuse bodies so Chandler’s athleticism and defense combines with Lee’s pick and roll game, you would be an idiot not to take Bosh.
Lee is a goner anyway so its essentially a trade of Chandler for Bosh which is a win for the Knicks.
Again, we are talking about options….
Tommy you sure got a lot of thumbs down with this option. It’s too much to give TO. I might get killed here for it but Bosh isn’t a max money type player anyways. He’s a taller and more athletic Lee.
Bosh is a max player.
Not sure where you got that from?
Especially if Lebron wants to play with him.
Only time I agree with you. Bosh is a max player.
lmao.
bosh is a second rate star
not a max player.
Yes, and apparently colangelo is dumb enough to take Lee for Bosh straight up.
its better than losing Bosh for nothing
Only the Knicks are interested in Bosh. The rest of the league will just stand and watch.
Don’t count Miami out. They can re-sign Wade and sign Bosh.
Bosh has indicated a desire to play in a warm weather city. Miami is an international, multi-cultural city where a young millionaire can have a good time, and blend in with many other young millionaires from all over the world..
As soon as the team becomes competitve again with Bosh’s signing, the fannies will fill the seats again.
Fans, at least, down here are very high on the idea of Bosh coming to Miami.
Oh your in Miami,
I was wondering why you were talking like that lol.
Miami will suck for the next 5 years man.
If Wade leaves, you’ll really suck.
Actually Naples, but Heat fans abound here, and Miami isn’t that far to take in a game here and there. I get all the Heat and Bulls games on Comcast..
I’m a snowbird. Back in NY in April until January.
My heart is blue and orange always.
“Miami will suck for the next 5 years man”
Miami just won a championship a few years ago. The Knicks haven’t won a championship since the 1970s.
Miami has been in the playoffs fairly consistently for the past 10 years (and longer).
The Knicks haven’t won a playoff game in a decade.
And you are claiming Miami sucks? Based on what. You Donnie rose colored glasses.
I would call Bosh a max guy. Joe and Amare are not max guys.
Just because LBJ and Wade are worth more than the max, doesnt mean Bosh isnt worth it. The difference is that LBJ or Wade would be bargains.
In a perfect world, Bosh is not a max player.
But in the screwey world of NBA Free Agency, he will end up with a Max Contract.
If Rashard Lewis could do it. So can Bosh. GM’s love stroking the egos of incoming FA’s
that is correct
it’s a bidding game
Of course Toronto would do a S&T for Lee rather than Lose Bosh for nothing.
i dont do a sign and trade with Toronto involving Lee and other assets that can actually contribute.
I would do a Lee/Curry deal but not include Chandler or TDoug..
First, Lee would have to approve a move to Toronto. Not likely.
Second, when we can outright sign Bosh why not jsut do that and preserve the few assets we have that can actually play?
Seriously. And if Bosh really wanted to come here, why would he let Toronto pry away the assets of his new team? Makes no sense. Sign Bosh straight up and save Lee/Chandler/etc. for other sign and trade possibilities.
Because Toronto can sign him for more money.
Donnie would have to have is head examined if he included Wilson in that deal.
BTW where are the 45% of the people who would trade Lee AND wilson? Please comment and explain yourselves.
Ah, true. Although he’d probably make up the difference in contracts from NYC endorsements, while keeping the Knicks’ assets.
I said I wouldn’t do it unless another player were involved, which isn’t even something I’m pumped about.
He would do it so that he could get more money and an extra year on his new deal!
If the Nets, Miami, or Chicago offer more money to Bosh by doing a sign and trade with Toronto and we are risking losing out on him I would trade Lee and Chandler to Toronto in a heartbeat.
Chandler plays the same position as Gallo AND we could easily replace him by signing Rudy Gay or other wing players.
I like Chandler, but for Bosh he is a goner.
The question is why is a sign and trade with Lee and Bosh being talked about?
“…If Walsh can’t land either James or Dwyane Wade but ends up with Johnson, another option is luring Toronto’s Chris Bosh in a sign-and-trade. Sources claim the Raptors would be open to such a deal if it included David Lee…”
it seems to have legs…I would obviously trade Lee for Bosh, but would toronto?
And as far as Lee, would he be in another city if someone gave him 10 or 11 million last summer?
Lee was hurt last summer by expectations of this summer. No one but Detroit wanted to make a long term commitment that would affect this summer. Lee can get 10-12 this year because while he isn’t a game changer, you know what you get with him. Even if he only gets 18-9 next year, that puts in in the top 10 group of PF
The only thing this deal does is guaranteed that both NY and Toronto get something they want. We want Bosh, but there is no guarantee he’ll come here. TO wants Lee, but there is no guarantee he’ll go there. This just adds the guarantee factor. The thing is, we still have to negotiate from a position of power. TO has more to lose if Bosh walks from them than if Lee walks from us. We don’t HAVE to give them Wilson, and we shouldn’t. If we just have to make the numbers work, we can sign Patrick Jr. to a one year deal and trade him with Lee. But we need to keep Chandler. The last thing we need if for him to reach his potential and have to play him four time a year.
Let’s say, the Knicks end up with Bosh and Johnson for max money, would YOU consider that a success, a failure or an incomplete?
that would be a D+ for donnie
Note to Tommy:
You cannot sign-and-trade Lee and Chandler for Bosh.
Lee is a UFA.. The Knicks keep his Bird Rights if they don’t renounce him, but in a sign-and-trade deal, the Knicks cannot “package” Lee with another player; only Lee by himself can be traded if the Knicks extend his contract with the intention of then trading him to another team, which is the Raptors in this case.
What would happen is probably the Knicks have an under-the-table agreement where the Knicks first trade Chandler to the Rockets for minimal cash considerations and then perform a straight up sign and trade of Lee for Bosh.
Correction: Raptors not Rockets
there is no option to “extend” Lee. he is a UFA and has to sign a NEW contract.
only players in the third year of their deals can be extended.
THis is what I thought…
Okay Biggie, I used the wrong words.
…”only Lee by himself can be traded if the Knicks give him a ‘give him a new contract’ with the intention of then trading him to another team (which is the definition of a S and T, which is in this case the Raptors.”
Better?
why did I type give him twice? I don’t know.
Can we sign 2 max players, than make this sign and trade?
I don’t think so , since you would have to sign Lee first and that would use up $11-$12 mil of your cap.
What I don’t understand about the wink-wink deal is that even if you traded Wilson to the Raptors for some cash, the Bosh and Lee salaries still don’t match up. Can we take back more since we are under the cap?
The salaries don’t have to match in a sign-and-trade deal. Thats why trade exceptions come in.
I have to check how many trade exceptions the Knicks have left to use and I’ll get back to you
No because in order to sign two max players, the Knicks would have to renounce Lee to eliminate his $10.5 MM cap hold. Renouncing Lee means no more Bird Rights for the Knicks and no sign and trade.
Unless…
… I don’t know Toronto’s cap situation right now, but I assume they have $10 MM in cap space which is the amount I think Lee is worth in the first year of his new contract.
Even if the Knicks renounce Lee and lose his Bird Rights, they can still sign-and-trade him. The only problem though is that the Knicks CANNOT S and T Lee to a team that is over the cap or will be over the cap if they acquire Lee through the S and T, which is the benefit of the Bird Rights.
So essentially, the Knicks can sign LeBron and Wade to two ALMOST max deals (I’m talking about $.5 – $1 MM less than the max) to make room for the extra roster spots necessary to comprise a roster of 13 players,
THEN
trade Chandler to the Raptors for cash considerations
THEN
sign and trade Lee for Bosh. This works because Bosh still has his Bird Rights which would allow the Knicks to be over the limit to acquire him.
So the Knicks would end up with Wade, LeBron, and Bosh.
Tommy, I’ll try and come up with an elaborate dos-and-don’ts explanation post about what the Knicks (obviously) can and cannot do during this upcoming offseason.
Speaking of S&T, imagine if the Raptors agreed to send Bosh to the Rockets for Jordan Hill & the two Knicks picks?
Think about it the Knicks don’t get Bosh, probably end up stuck with Lee & we continue our path of destruction so our picks would have real value on the market.
Talk about a kick in the balls.
The bosh trade would work…if you threw another 15 mil or so in on houston’s side, LOL…..salary cap…
If we’re gonna sign joe johnson then we obviously need to make a play for LBJ first. I think if all else fails, LBJ signs elsewhere (or stays in cleveland), I just don’t see why we can’t let lee walk and sign bosh; while holding onto chandler.
- Decided to make this its own post -
No because in order to sign two max players, the Knicks would have to renounce Lee to eliminate his $10.5 MM cap hold. Renouncing Lee means no more Bird Rights for the Knicks and no sign and trade.
Unless…
… I don’t know Toronto’s cap situation right now, but I assume they have $10 MM in cap space which is the amount I think Lee is worth in the first year of his new contract.
Even if the Knicks renounce Lee and lose his Bird Rights, they can still sign-and-trade him. The only problem though is that the Knicks CANNOT S and T Lee to a team that is over the cap or will be over the cap if they acquire Lee through the S and T, which is the benefit of the Bird Rights.
So essentially, the Knicks can sign LeBron and Wade to two ALMOST max deals (I’m talking about $.5 – $1 MM less than the max) to make room for the extra roster spots necessary to comprise a roster of 13 players,
THEN
trade Chandler to the Raptors for cash considerations
THEN
sign and trade Lee for Bosh. This works because Bosh still has his Bird Rights which would allow the Knicks to be over the limit to acquire him.
So the Knicks would end up with Wade, LeBron, and Bosh.
Tommy, I’ll try and come up with an elaborate dos-and-don’ts explanation post about what the Knicks (obviously) can and cannot do during this upcoming offseason.
This is all done assuming Lee is renounced first.
One more thing, why would the Knicks have to throw in Chandler in this deal you ask?
Considering the Knicks would have already signed Wade and LeBron, why would the Raptors let Bosh get away for just Lee – an inferior player – if they could offer him the most money?
Bosh could chose his ETO but I don’t believe he’s that cold hearted to Toronto that he would leave without giving them something in return. And come on now, with Wade and LeBron in NY, would you want to stay in Toronto and lose for the next 5+ years or would you want to join the party?
So Chandler and Lee for Bosh is fair for both sides.
Note: If Bosh is S and T to the Knicks, his Bird Rights transfer with him
there are only 2max players an none are coming to nyc.
so u will have to max out second an third rate stars.
Bosh
J Johnson
Chandler
Gallo
Bender(I think he’ll be resigned, he’s 7 foot and is a D’ass player)
Sergio(he’ll be back)
Walker
Douglas
2010 2nd round pick #1
2nd round pick #2
We need 4-5 other players……..who are these players who would play for the minimum. T Mac can’t walk do you think he’ll be any good next season?
That roster has no point guard and no length, no center…….35 win team. Hill would have added some height and a warm body in the middle, we gave him away.
If the Knicks don’t land LeBron, Wade, or Bosh, I say screw it. Don’t spend money on Johnson or Stoudemire or the latter, wait for Carmelo and Howard instead.
The wise move would be the take the Twins route and sign high upside players to cheap deals while using the allure of playing starter’s minutes in NYC as leverage to less than well known talent.
If worse comes to worse, I’d like to see a starting lineup of
Kyle Lowry PG
Wilson Chandler SG
Travis Outlaw SF
Danilo Gallinari PF (needs to bulk up this offseason but this is his future position anyway. Its not like he’ll defend worse than Lee)
Craig Brackins/Jerome Jordan/Solomon Alabi/Dexter PIttman C
then you have
Douglas
Walker
House
Bender
and two of either Willie Warren, Jarvis Varnado, Lazar Haywood, Charles Garcia, Scottie Reynolds, etc.
Then fill up the final two rosters spots with camp invitees.
What a terrible post.
35 win team?
C’mon son.
If they are lucky they’ll get 35 wins.
No second team.
No depth.
One injury away from disaster……
Son my ass….moron.
You crazy.
Bosh + Johnson + Gallinari + Chandler = 45 win team at least.
Even at 45 wins, that is not a good team and not a championship caliber team.
Again no second team, no bench.
One injury away from disaster.
I posted this last night….
Not saying its a slam dunk to happen just that donnie needs to do everything he can to try and make it happen.
Gallo & Chandler & the EC expiring to N.O for CP3, there set in the back court for the next 4 years and there bleeding money! They cant afford him and to be honest dollar for dollar Collison is the way for them to go!
Gallo gives them a young cheap lottery pick talent in the front court with Chandler (I would move West for a high pick as well if I was them) and they become a good young talented team along the lines of the Thunder.
We get CP3 to be the best PG in the game on Broadway!! “CAN YOU NOT JUST SEE IT” he would have the garden rocking and move in to the superstar status(as far as marketing) for real!! What player would not want to team up with him??
After that sign and trade Lee to try and fill some holes, I was thinking Portland for Rudy and change, but I would be good with trading him to GS for Brandan Wright & Kelenna Azubuike. money adds up if Lee is in the 8 to 10mil range. Gives them a great rebounder & scorer who is allergic to Dee like donnie nelson likes lol.
As I said N.O can easily say no but things are just falling in to place for this to happen, there money issues our freed up money.
Forgive me guys for hoping this GM would try to do something right besides getting ready to throw money at people like Pac Man Jones in a strip club lol but I will be honest if he has the vision to TRY and make that move I will have way more respect for him as a GM even if he failed!
N.O. is not trading Paul without ridding the team of Okafor or Stojakovic as well.
I disagree on Stojakovic he is an expiring next year, There stuck with Okafor and to be honest I think they keep him and trade West to the highest bidder and get rich in the draft because West has much more value, but hey if they want to send Stojakovic along I will take him and use the money he will free up next year.
Peja is not an expiring unless he retires.
He has a PLAYER OPTION which there is no way he declines.
That would be like saying Curry has an expiring this year.
To be clear I have nothing against Gallo as a player and I know what he “could” become has some excited but would you miss out on a sure thing for a maybe? Gall has good range good mobility for his height and other good skill sets, but there are legit question about his back and at 20 how is it a pick broke him so easily? He played pro ball since he was like 16 so one has to wonder why a basic pick can hurt him like that. Also he is not much of an alpha player and has to force himself to be aggressive. So while I like him and wish him the very best I would sell high and get a proven commodity and the best PG in basketball CP3! IMO
Yep, CP3 would be a God here in NY playing for a good coach and not D’Antoni! He can break down the defense and make others better.
Lebron would be a God.
Not CP3….I like CP3 though and if we can get him without giving up Gallo, then I’m all for it.
Dude, when was the last time NY had a guard that can do what CP3 does. Please don’t say Marbury because he had the talent but not much upstairs.
CP# could make players look much better than they are now bec3use he knows how to get people the ball in spots they can do something with it.
Hey, I like Gallo too and I wouldn’t have given up Hill to bring in Peanut Brittle! Where are the supporters of this trade at now?
Silence of the Lambs! Baaaaaaa
“Hey, I like Gallo too and I wouldn’t have given up Hill to bring in Peanut Brittle! Where are the supporters of this trade at now?”
Ummm
The only reason we’re talking about Joe Johnson and Bosh is because we made this trade.
Get it together baby.
So….and what is my pt. I could care less about Bosh and JJ? lol
We are not gonna be a contender next year most likely so I could have lived with JJ being back for a year or so because it’ll take about a few years to contend even with a very good plan.
If we keep making all these trades then who would LBJ, Bosh or JJ play with on this team? Do you think these few players can win a ring by themselves.
Did ya see how awful LA was when Shaq Left? They had a bonafide star and we do not! You need other players playa!
So we could not have signed Joe Johnson and done a sign and trade for Bosh BEFORE the trades?
You sure about that?
Good got another one (DVJ) on record who would NOT trade Gallo for Chris Paul.
I will keep this in the memory banks.
lol You can go to Creedmoor mental facility and find a bunch of stuff DVJ has stated on record. On further thoughts, there is a doctor patient privilege to overcome!
Yeah, you can write that down and take a picture.
There is no way I’m trading Gallo for Chris Paul. Especially after he just came back from surgery.
No way.
Gallo has a chance to be a superstar (especially playing in NY)…and if he ever plays next to Lebron…..don’t even get me started.
I love CP3 (even though I would rather have D. Williams) but Gallo has something you can’t teach players and that’s size and b-ball IQ (not to mention a nice touch from the outside)…..
Regardless of what we say….Chandler will never have a good b-ball IQ. I like him as a player but he just doesn’t have it all upstairs.
I totally agrewe with ya about Devin Williams but under this coach, Gallo is digressing!
a Few weeks ago, Gallo’s father had to fax in a picture a of his son to this coach so he could be introduced to the team. It seems our coached blamed the mix up on Duhon and that is why he’s under the bus……uuuhh the bench
Also DVJ, uner this coach, what players on this team ahs shown they have a good b-ball IQ?
A lack of a good b-ball IQ starts with the coach on down! That is why he has to GO! Gallo has had to get everything on his own period.
leave DJV alone guys an gals
the kid has a dream
let him keep dreaming
cuz bosh an joeJ isn’t too far from a NIGHTMARE..
an the reason i say that is cause donnie traded so much to get those plays thats a failure…
“There is no way I’m trading Gallo for Chris Paul. Especially after he just came back from surgery.”
You do realize Gallinari had back surgery right?
Players that make their teammates better are very hard to come by. Chris Paul is arguably the best young point guard in the league (it’s between him and Deron Williams), Danilo Gallinari is not arguably the best SF in any conversation even if he makes the move to the PF I don’t think he is going to be arguably THE BEST PF in the game at any point (and I really like Gallinari).
If they want Gallinari in a trade for Paul, they have to do it. The Knicks don’t have a point guard, why not the best (arguably) in the league?
No brainer.
Never mind.
I know logic and reason have no effect on your Scientology.
LMAO
I would trade gallo for cp3 anytime
no brainer
Gallo/lee/Douglas/curry fir okafor and Paul
Exactly Big.
I don’t know why I wasted a paragraph explaining that one.
SMH
If we can’t get a LBJ oe Wade, I truly hope we pass on players like JJ and Bosh!
We need to start building with youth or with certain key real stars! We sure could use a star pt guard and defensive center and we would be ok until that undeniable star can be had!
But first and foremost, we need to get better by gettting rid of this coach!
Relax son…
I’m realistic playa! There’s a high chance LBJ or Wade is not coming here next year and we need to put forth a strategic plan to get us back to the top over a few years.
JJ, Bosh is not the answer. That would make us a 7th seed and out in one gain at best. Who in the heck needs that?
You probably was the one still saying give Isiah another year when anyone with a brain should have seen that his last year was waaaaaaaaay overdone.
“JJ, Bosh is not the answer. That would make us a 7th seed and out in one gain at best. Who in the heck needs that?”
How would that make us a 7 seed?
Name me 6 teams that would be ahead of us.
I got Cleveland, Orlando and maybe Boston.
What u got?
Bucks,Nets,Atl will be better than us next year. Dpends on who Torono gets, they could be better than us too!
We still have NO bench!
A young team like the Wizards could surpass us too.
Remember, we still have our dumb coach!
Nets?
Bucks?
Yeah, thae team that dropped a double dime marin on us will be better than us next year. Rod Thorn will outdo Walsh!
Maybe Boston? Really?
Don’t exaggerate.
Chris Bosh 26 years old 5-time All-Star.
Joe Johnson 29 years old 4-time All-Star.
I think the Orlando Magic and the Cleveland Cavaliers would be better than the Knicks, but I don’t even know if the aging Boston Celtics would be significantly better than us. The Knicks would be probably fighting for the home-court advantage (4th / 5th spot).
The Knicks will probably lose David Lee for nothing. So the deal is really about Wilson Chandler for Chris Bosh. It’s a no-brainer.
Chris Bosh is an All-NBA player folks. I think the last Knick was Patrick Ewing.
The high expectation and weight of NY would kill Bosh even when paired with JJ.
Bosh would make sense with a CP3 or a LBJ. Otherwise little Snoop Dawg would get eaten alive here in the big apple.
I doubt Bosh comes here by himself anyway so it may be a moot point.
So true!
Oh come on.
High expectations will not kill Bosh – the media factor is soooo overrated.
Bosh + Johnson = Playoffs GUARANTEED and a bright future.
Would be alot brighter if we had draft picks before 2013.
The Hill trade started out as Jeffries, Hill and Hughes for Tmac and the big debate was then whether to include Hill or not. That was a no brainer … slippery slope.
We are now talking about Gallo, Douglas Johnson and Bosh. After the trade deadline, We were talking Gallo, Chandler, Douglas and 2 max players, one of them was assumed to be Lebron.
once again
no wade or lebron=2010 failure
thats real talk
A trade for Melo or CP3 in 2011 to play along said Bosh would not be a major fail.
Bosh and D’Antoni in 2010-11 is failure guaranteed!
Right. Which is why T Dee wants to change the subject.
Horrible just horrible! First of all we could sign Bosh outright without giving up anything. Secondly we can then sign and trade Lee anywhere in the league for another player/asset after having Bosh signed. Also with your proposed scenario you’re giving Bosh a max deal which IMO he’s not worth.