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Johnson, Gay and Lee would be a horrible july imo

Agreed.

Johnson, Gay and Lee might be horrible but it is also very unlikely. Lebron is the prize. If Lebron signs, Wade might join him. Meanwhile, Lee will likely get an offer from another team while we are still considering Plan A Lebron. Cannot imagine Lee waiting around while the Knicks hunt for the best players to fill the roster. Key to bolstering the Knicks defense will be to trade Curry’s expiring comtract for Biedrins or Okafor to fill the center spot. Not sure Lee is the Knicks PF of the future?

Turrrrble. Absolutely turrrble.

Tommy you’re going to spin yourself right into the ground if you keep this up.

Gay, Lee and Johnson might be an 8th seed. Lee is a loser, Gay has 0 playoff experience and Johnson is very good and I would not mind having him, but he is not carrying a team on his back.

Donnie painted himself into a corner.

It’s LeBron or bust.

I don’t know if both would be a good idea

Chandler/ Johnson/gay/ gallo??
No way bro I rather have R.gay because he’s younger and he won’t coast as much as jj.

Deffently not lebron or bust….. alot of good players out there next year we need to make atleast the playoffs top 5 in the east anything less is a bust…we just need great players lbj is looking more like a long shot

Name the “great players out there” that are difference makers and automatically catapult this team into a contention.

If the goal was “…to make atleast the playoffs” then they could have kept Crawford and Zach OR kept the draft picks, Hill and just signed Rudy Gay and resigned Lee OR got Johnson and resigned Lee.

^ Those teams would have made “…atleast the playoffs”.

By no means is Lee the future PF of the team. I’d give both my arms to have that pick right now.
If Lebron ain’t coming, you hunt Bosh down and see what can be done with EC’s contract as soon as possible.

+1

So I’m glad there’ 30 lbj’s out there cuz With out him no other NBA team would win….what I meant to say is compete for a top slot in the east….Johnson lee and a good pg would be a great team the whole point is to be flexiable from 2010 and beyond bro the media pointed out that we want lbj ( like everyteam does) but if we can’t get him there will be other ways to compete for the chip homie

They way Free Agency is going, all these Free Agents are going to get more than they are worth. Either we pay Gay or Johnson more than they are worth or they sign here for a discount. Because I guarantee you someone is going to offer the both of them more than they are worth. So we just have to hope that they take less to come to the Knicks. It doesn’t sound as though Donnie will overpay. He’ll save it for a chance to get Melo

“But if they can land Johnson and Gay and still keep David Lee,
it’s not a bad July”.

That’s what they traded/compromised three first round picks for?

I’m not sure that even works under the salary cap anyway-Gay and Lee are both going to want major pay days.

Frankly, I’m not all that excited about signing Joe Johnson to a max contract-he’s a very good player-not a max player. I guess if he’s paired with Bosh one wouldn’t complain all that much, although my understanding is that in such a scenario the Knicks’ roster would consist of Johnson, Bosh, Gallo, Chandler, Douglass, Curry, and six guys making the minimum salary (meaning 6 absolute stiffs). Would that roster win 50 games and/or get beyond the second round of the playoffs?

Hopefully if it’s Johnson, he will be paired with Bosh.

Johnson, Gay and Lee = Horrible?

Are you kidding me?

You can trade Chandler or Gallinari in this scenario. Jerryd Bayless for example, or Ricky Rubio.

Johnson, Lee nor Gay is a “good pg” and the point guard free agent class next year is as shallow as a gob of phlegm on a NYC sidewalk.

“but if we can’t get him there will be other ways to compete for the chip homie.”

Explain a likely scenario where the Knicks are competing for a “chip” in the next 3 years with a move made this summer.

If they don’t get anything SIGNIFICANT (meaning a young stud or potential “star”) for Curry they’re in trouble.

Walsh is ALL IN and to pretend it isn’t for LeBron is not living in reality. He put all his eggs in that basket and no matter how many media outlets try to spin the story into “flexibility” and “waiting for 2011″ is an option or somehow striking out and signing 2nd and 3rd tier free agents is still a success it will still be a FAIL.

I agree it is horrible as how have you improved the interior defense with 35 million in additions? Lee is not the answer at PF or C? The combination will not work. Need a center and I don’t think relying on an aging Camby is realistic?

Nope.

Lee would still be at center.

Horrible.

Don’t you think the Knicks would trade Chandler or Gallinari if they sign Gay and Johnson?

I think the Knicks have many options if they sign Gay, Johnson and Lee.

Where’s your imagination Has?

And how does Lee + Gay + Johnson = 32 million?

And then Rubio is running the team or Bayless? Those guys are good prospects but they aren’t getting you out of the 1st round for at least a couple years.

“Where’s your imagination HaS?”

Help me out man, what center are we trading Gallinari/Chandler for?

Johnson, GAy and Lee is the equivalent of Villanueva and Gordon.

Horrible use of Funds.

I would consider that a FAIL unless Lee and Gallo and Curry was spun for Chris Paul/Okafor

This summer without a SUPER STAR, game changer is a F.A.I.L.

Im glad the readers/commenters have the ballz to put their pinions out there.. Shame I dont get the same from th3 writer.

Tommy.. IS Lee, Johnson and Gay a Successful 2010 IN YOUR OPINION?

Lol. How about either of those two for Darko and Rubio? There’s your center and point guard for years to come.

So, Houston gets a high lottery pick next year and then if Melo doesn’t sign?

“Johnson, GAy and Lee is the equivalent of Villanueva and Gordon.”

Ok, it’s not THAT bad, but it’s close!

It is not about imagination. If you use all your cap space and still have no defense in the paint, how is imagination going to fix it. Lee is going to get his 10 million from another team. He needs to be replaced by a defensive big. Bosh is a step in the right direction but he is not a defensive big. Boozer is undersized and often injured. Stoudemire is as bad defensively as Lee. Priority to defend the paint.

more talent but still a “Horrible use of Funds”

where is the opinion from teh PG of Knicks Info?

I just think these stories are put out there as a proactive attempt to put out the potential firestorm if LeBron, Wade or Bosh doesn’t sign on the dotted line.

It was embarrassing enough that Grant Hill and Jason Kidd turned down a chance to play in the “Mecca” last summer. Could you imagine coming up empty handed after we’ve all been sold that the allure of the Garden and the Legacy of the franchise + _’antoni will be enough to lock up a Superstar free agent in 2010?

Cmon Has don’t you get tired of the same mantra??!!. It’s not Lebron or bust and Donnie didn’t paint himself into a corner. He got some paint remover and cleared a path for his exit. James doesn’t want to come to NY then fine!! We can sign other players. Do a sign and trade involving DLee AND we can use E. Curry’s expiring deal to fleece a team like Houston did to us so that we could be under the cap and flexible as hell. So many avenues are now open to the team. Just have to have the forsight.

“where is the opinion from teh PG of Knicks Info?”

C’mon take it easy on him Big, he’s being “patient” and taking a “wait and see” approach.

With each and every passing day it seems more likely that my nightmare scenario is going to come to pass.

Donnie was very smart to get rid of the bloated contracts of Zach and Crawford. But when he mortgaged the future by giving away Hill, the 2012 pick, and a 2011 pick swap just to move some extra cap space from 2011 to 2010, he painted himself into a corner.

1. IF he doesn’t use that extra cap space in 2010, then he gave away Hill and picks for NOTHING because we would have had the Jeffries cap space in 2011 anyway. Not spending it makes him a complete moron.

2. In order to avoid looking like a moron, if he doesn’t sign Lebron, Wade, or Bosh, then he’s going to wind up overpaying for guys like Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay and cripple the team for a decade.

Joe Johnson is a solid player, but he’s the 3rd most productive player on the Hawks for crying out loud, He’s overrated because he scores, but he doesn’t even score super efficiently. I’d pay 10M for him, but he already turned down 15M. He wants a max contract.

Rudy Gay is a good prospect, but he’s so wildly overrated I can’t even discuss it. He’s barely better than the new and improved
” slasher version” of Wilson Chandler. He scores more, but is less efficient than Chandler has been over the last few months and they are basically equal at everything else.

A team of JJ, RG, Lee, and Gallo would probably win 40 games and make the playoffs, but we’d almost be crippled in our ability to improve the team because our salary would be capped out again and we would have fewer picks from which to get lucky and land a very good player. We’d have room for one more move after Curry comes off the cap and I don’t think that would be enough to make us more than 45 win team maxed out and crippled for another 5 years.

God I’ve been getting nightmares ever since that Jeffries trade.

We are so screwed if we don’t land one of the big 3.

Lee Johnson gay scores a lot of points. But I can’t see it being a true contender. Especially considerig the fact This team has no point guard. And to say we could trade gallo or wil for a pg is just hypothetical. If we miss out on Lebron Wade, combo of Johnson n bosh has to be the goal. Then maybe a sign and trade of lee for a solid pg?

“Cmon Has don’t you get tired of the same mantra??!!.”

LOL

No. Make me a believer.

“He got some paint remover and cleared a path for his exit.”

Yea retirement.

” James doesn’t want to come to NY then fine!! We can sign other players.”

What other players are worth the 2nd best big man in the draft in Hill, PLUS draft picks, that are a realistic possibilty of coming here IF LeBron doesn’t come?

“Do a sign and trade involving DLee”

For what? No one wanted him last year, while he did improve his jumpshot he might have gotten worse on the defensive end of the floor. Yes he was an All-Star but he was placed on the team by Stern, not the fans and not the coaches.

“AND we can use E. Curry’s expiring deal to fleece a team like Houston did to us so that we could be under the cap and flexible as hell.”

We’re already under the cap, how flexible do we need to be are we trying to join the circus or build a franchise?

“So many avenues are now open to the team. Just have to have the forsight.”

If you say so brother. Right now it seems like we could end up getting the foreskin, with no vaseline.

Wouldn’t you rather just keep Chandler for 1/10 the price of Gay? I say spend the money elsewhere.

Have you seen Houston play?? They aren’t that much better than the Knicks. Picks won’t be that much of a difference next season.

i just realized i was looking at this year’s salary for Chandler $1.2 million, next year is $2.1…still incredibly cheap for what he brings to the table…still, I would rather have chander plus approx $10 million in cap space this summer than gay

in other words.. let’s wait and see what Donnie does then praise him effusively.

Im patiently waiting for July and havent even COMMENTED on the complete lack of effort last night in Memphis.

But when the discussion turns to opinions about this summer EVERYONE should have one.

we’ve talked about “Stars” and i get that and agree that it is essential to add a bonafide young “Star”.. If Not Lebron then gay/JJ nor Lee should apply.

I would take JJ or Gay as part of a larger scenario but Lee nends to be a chip or go somewhere else.. we obviously agree on that.

it doesnt.. you’re right.. not even an option unless they all take 10.

“We are so screwed if we don’t land one of the big 3.”

Precisely.

I’m not buying into this “we’re still OK if we don’t sign a star”, if trades were the route we were going to go (i.e. Curry) then we could have kept Hill AND the picks and used Jeffries as a valuable expiring next year as well. Remember, we were already under the cap!

An extra 6 or 7 million in capspace minus Hill and draft picks was not for waiting until 2011.

Nice way to end your thoughts, lol. I’m still undecided to which take. If you mean “Lebron or bust” because he’s the only one that can successfully lead an average team, then yes, it is LBJ or bust.
But if DW uses the “we want to be competitive” line, then there’s a bunch of combos that can be made through the free agency to get this team competing and become a perennial 3rd-5th seed.
Thing is, Lebron or not, we won’t have a PG or a C, which is kind of important since we don’t want to get raped in the paint another season and we need a floor general to actually coach. Everyday I’m more convinced Nash was the coach in Phoenix.

Has why so negative???!!! First off it’s the contract that teams will want in E. Curry. You think the Knicks were excited to see Tmac play or was it his contract?? Curry’s contract is 11mil next year. Teams will want that contract.
No one offered Lee a deal last summer because they all thought knicks would sign him. Plus now he is s all star whether or not the fans or DStern put him on the team. Teams will want him.
Flexible as he’ll in that Donnie doesn’t have to put all his eggs in the Lebron basket.
Dude dont panic summer hasn’t even started yet. your gonna have to have some patience. It can’t happen overnight.

“Have you seen Houston play?? They aren’t that much better than the Knicks. Picks won’t be that much of a difference next season.”

Kevin Martin (for a full year if healthy), Aaron Brooks, Trevor Ariza, Scola and Hill (with a year under his belt) with Shane Battier, Chase Budinger off the bench, plus whoever tthey draft isn’t a bad start at all.

If Yao comes back next year they will definitely be in the playoffs.

The Knicks if they don’t shore up all the holes in the roster including point guard and center, as well as add a star could be struggling for a playoff spot at best.

But you’d spend 15 mil on Johnson? At least Gay has the handle Chandler doesn’t to play at the SG, which Will clearlt can’t.
And it seems that with D’antoni Chandler’s actually gotten a bit dumber on the court, lost vision, which are attributes a SG must have.

David Lee is a nice player but let’s move on from him. I mean Gallo plays better D than Lee. We can get that scoring from other places like Gallo and or whomever the free agent it is the tram signs. We need a mote defensive presence at thd 4-5 spots

“being competitive” was the mantra of the past two years.. July 2010 is about putting the pieces in place to ultimately win a championship..

If Donnie spends 32 mil of cap space this summer and says “we are now competitive” it is not enough.

Detroit was competitive going into this season.

2010 Roster (Edition 3.0) (C)-Dexter Pittman (buy a late 1st rd pick to secure of center of the future)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCZryTYGp6E

(PF)-Jason Thompson (sign and trade Dlee to Sac. Kings for Jason Thompson and Andres Nocioni. Sacramento want Dlee and with their glut of forwards they may give up Jason Thompson’s replacement if the Knicks agree to take back Nocioni’s contract-2 yrs left-cleared just in time to be able to go after CP3) (SF)RudyGay (G)JoeJohnson (PG)-Greivis Vasquez/Willie Warren(1st-2nd rd pk) Bench SRod. EHouse BWalker ANocioni Gallo Renardo Sydney (2nd-2nd rd pk) Dwayne Jones (D-League/FA signee) JRGiddens BrandanWright FreeAgent Trade TD to Detroit for a 2012 2nd rd pk Trade WC to the Warriors for Anthony Randolph or Brandan Wright

How can you not see that this combination doesn’t address a main weakness like this team’s size and strength to protect the basket. I don’t wanna be outrebounded for another season. We have plenty of cash right, let’s be smart with it.
Even if they don’t play, get big men out of the draft.
Sure, James would be an instant savior, but PG and C are this team’s biggest needs.
Besides a new coach.

Why are so many enamered with Okufor?? He’s not that good. In fact I would say he’s been a dissapointment

Now you are talking. Address the needs for a center and a point guard. If the superstar does not come and I expect we will get Lebron or Wade or Bosh, you still make bid gains with a center to defend and or a PG to distribute. There are now players on this team who will facilitate filling in the holes. The cap space will buy the superstar.

i think that is for me?

Im not enamoured with Okafor.. Im enoamoured with Chris Paul and would take Okafor’s LONG LONG contract as part of a deal to get CP3.

that said.. he would be a good true 5 for me.. can run a but.. rebound a bit and he’s a better than good shot blocker..

plus he went to uConn so he has a good background in the area.

They aren’t; his contract is probably what you’d have to take back to get CP3.

A situation like that would end up killing any mythical notion of what the Garden is supposed to represent, and the Knicks will be referred to, for long time, as “the team that used have one of the most unbelievable arena’s to play basketball in”.
That would end me.
Maybe I’m going waaay to far though.

They didn’t even pose the question to Lee about a potential trade to Sacramento at the deadline because they feared he would veto a trade there.

Obviously _avi_ is going to go wherever the money is, as he proved this summer while searching for a contract in Memphis and Portland, but unless Sacramento is willing to give her a maximum contract I don’t see why Lee would agree to a sign and trade to go 3000 miles away when the Nets obviously have an interest in him right across the river.

LMAO

Damn, Big did you get up on the wrong side of bed this morning? You’re being hella hard on Tommy today!

First of all, Tommy, thanks for the info and insight you bring us.

I don’t often read the comments on this blog, because there are too many commenters that think Tommy is some kind of traitor to the cause because he has some optimism and trust for Donnie Walsh and D’antoni.

Walsh has taken some risks here. He may regret giving up that draft pick and exchanging the other one. He may regret giving up Jordan Hill. But he’s given the Knicks the chance to sign LeBron and also have money left over to surround him with some pieces. And he hasn’t given away Gallo or Douglas or Chandler – three guys that have offensive skills AND care about defense.

I think he’s honestly trying to make the Knicks better. I think it’s stupid to lambaste the guy at this point. He cleared out cap space – now lets see what he does with it. And if he fucks it up like Dumars fucked it up? Then give the guy a hard time.

Honestly I like what I’m seeing from Toney and Gallo because I see the seeds of defensive leadership out there. Teams do not win championships without defensive leadership. Eric Gordon and Bayless and Brook Lopez and even Brandon Jennings – do they have that?

Add Gay and a good rebounding center to the defensive core and that team may start to beat people. I think that’s a pretty good alternative to getting LeBron. Maybe Jordan Hill could have been that center, but on the other hand, Walsh was an idiot for drafting him, right?

Again, thanks for the info and insight, Tommy. I like your optimism because that’s the kind of fan I am too. I like the game. I like watching players I like try to win. To me, sitting around calling the coach and GM idiots is a pretty fucking miserable existence.

That’s where I’m going… The two directions for this summer are simple: either get a game changer that can actually make real difference or become a perennial 2nd round playoff team, if done correctly.
If not we’d be the next Pistons without their picks, which would be end of the world scenario sort of.

really? oh boy.. better check my in box.

I would just rather see opinion than eternal optimism.

no shots to Tommy.. He wants dialog..but i dont think adding opinion decreases dialog… may increase it.

Agreed. To those saying Houston will hve a bad season in 2010-11 need to take a good look at the assets developing over there. They’ll get there alright.

that should read:

“…willing to give him a maximum contract…”

My bad.

and I would say they would have to be offering him at least 12-13 to get him out there. If the Nets are offering him 10-11.

Endorsement opportunities in NY (the Nets are moving to BK), remember? It works both ways fellas, not just in our favor.

It would be disappointment but far from a “fail”

I agree with this…

Obviously, just getting Lee, Gay and Joe would be a disaster.

Why sign Gay when we already have a cheaper, albeit slightly less talented player in Wilson.

The best plan B, if we fail to get one of the 3 max FA’s is to try and get Paul.

Sign and trade Lee, with Curry and Wilson.

If we go that, then go after gay for about 9-10mil per.

i think OK would be interested in Lee as a talented, but cheaper alternative to signing West to a bigger contract.

Of course it is up to Lee to agree.

*NO would be interested

it’s not charlie V and gordon by any stretch…but I wrote this, or did you forget to take the time to read again?

I like Rudy, I wouldn’t be all that keen on Lee, Gay and Johnson. That doesn’t begin to solve the team’s lack of a defensive presence up front.

LOL, take it easy big guy.

@ Has, Actually Walsh Sac. did ask for DLee to be included in the trade and the topic was brought to Dlee and his agent but because the topic was brought to them one day before the trade deadline Dlee’s agent turned it down! Possibly because they want a bidding war to take place for DLee’s services!

Tommy’s not a traitor.. thats silly.. he’s a great Knicks fan.

we all know Donnie is trying to make the team better. that’s what he gets paid for.

But im not satisfied with a team that can “start to beat some people”/ Om sorry im not.. Not after basically TANKING for two years. and giving up assets open space for 2010..

i can call a spade a spade.. if I think the coach is an idiot that doesnt mean every coach is an idiot.. Disagreeing with a coach/GM is part of being a fan for New Yorkers.. If you’d rather play it another way that’s your prerogative.. but dont hate on other fans.. when you give the coach and GM passes

Don’t know why everyone is upse about this article since it was just an misclaculated idea by Berman that i sure he didn’t give any serious thought to. That scenario of signing just wont happen but I wnt rule out th knicks maybe going after Gay after securing a top star FA. I still think the knicks will atleast get Bosh. As far as Curry’s contract do you guys feel that it would be bad for the knicks to take on Magette’s contract to get A Randolph. That kid will be scary if he bulks up. I think the knicks can get S. Curry or Randolph if the take on Magett’s contract if they give GS Curry’s expiring. Just a thought.

when you throw away 2 full seasons of NBA basketball for Gay,Johnson and Lee,…IT IS A HUGE FAIL!

Excuse the spelling i in a rush as always.

again, I;m not for it and doubt it will happen…

my bad…just noticed that the NY post has HTML code that blocked my thoughts.

I made the complete post hours ago and just noticed.

sorry big.

The Warriors are not, NOT giving up Steph Curry! He is their only untouchable player!

We’re all on the same side in the end. We all want a game changer come summer time. What is being discussed is basically what would be the best scenario and what are the other possible combinations and whether posters agree if that’s the way to go or not.

I respect your opinion that the players were trying to win, but my POV is different. Regrettably enough, I’ve seen more games that I can count on where the team pretty much gave up. You talk about a defensive core. Gallo thus far has shown that he defends well enough, and Douglas’ intensitiy and defensive vision show that he knows what he’s doing, but until I can see a collective defensive effort, I can’t really call the 3 players we’ll have a defensive core.
It’s pretty clear that whatever goes down during the summer this team will end up better, but all that’s been sacrificed to get the amount of cap that this team’ll have will demand the best efforts to have a contending team. When you rebuild through the free agency, specially in class as this one, the need to come out successfully is pretty clear.
We all want it to happen, we all hope that it can happen, but many posters clash on the fact that how this team will end up if it doesn’t go down like that, which in the end is what DW provided, the chance to go after a star, not the guarantee.

If Lebron, Wade or Bosh don’t come then it’s all about damage control for Walsh.

Grab one young star as an asset, but then use the remaining cap to grab young prospects or draft picks. I’d rather have team full of young exciting players with stockpiled assets and maybe miss the playoffs rather than wasting money and being a stuck as a 8-5 seed for the next 3 years.

Plan A: Lebron, Wade or Bosh

Plan B: DRAFT PICKS!

Also i would not want Maggette over Joe Johnson, nor Anthony Randolph over Jason Thompson!

no sweat bro… i just read your thoughts and agree..

well done.. comment retracted.

Fans who knock the GM or Coach do it because they care about the status of the team. That is part of fanship. It’s not meant to make everybody else miserable; nor is it meant to be an attack on anybody personally. Incessant optimism does not make you a better fan than one who is critical. New Yorkers want a successful team-they are tired of watching this franchise constantly come up short-they criticize because they want to see the team be successful. 10 years of losing is enough already!-not to mention 37 years and counting without a championship).

So you think they’d give their future for EC’s contract. Reall? Sorry, bro, I think that’s crazy. They’d be more wiling to let go of Monta’s contract than let go their possible ROY and Randolph +. Dont’t forget they’ll have another lottery pick this year. They’re rebuilding pretty well right now, and they’ll likely give the keys to Steph C and look to let Monta loose.

It’s more about CP3, but Okafor is no slouch. He’s not flashy, not a big offensive threat and is overpaid, but he’s a good defender, consistent and gets the job done. Only 3 players have averaged a double double for the past 5 seasons. Duncan, Dwight and Okafor.

On top of that he’s a great guy to have in the locker room.

Unfortunately I think the Knicks would have to give up both Gallo and Wilson along with Lee and Curry. Also, CP3 would have to throw a hissyfit and demand a trade. Otherwise they’ll try to use West or Collison to unload Okafor.

Some of these comments are so funny.

Oscar: How about Eddy Curry’s expiring contract for Biedrins and Randolph. Maggette is not going to be a game changer for the Knicks IMO. Biedrins is the defender we do not have??

“Possibly because they want a bidding war to take place for DLee’s services!”

The same “bidding war” could have taken place at season’s end. He would have still been a free agent.

Trust me THAT would not have been the reason they turned that trade down.

We can’t allow those picks for 2011 or 2012 to become potential lottery bound, hence not having young exciting players.
EC’s contract can be used to grab a bunch of draft ala Morey with DW at the deadline, but many are proposing to go after a beast like Paul. If it can be done, I’m all for it, but I just can’t see it for now.
I agree with your damage control situation for DW, it’s gonna be duck and cover season for him, and D’antoni either jumps ship, or holds on for about 35 games before being run out of town by and angry mob of fans.

Why not grab young prospects or draft picks, have a team of young exciting players/stockpiled assets AND make the playoffs! That’s what Portland and Oklahoma is doing! But to do that your GM have to have a clue and not trade away his lottery picks!

Then you get creative! You have big time assets with Curry, Chandler and Gallinari to address this problem.

And I would buy late 1st rounders, but we’ve seen how D’antoni treats them. It’s a matter of seeing how many minutes our former 8th pick played here in NY.

“If you’d rather play it another way that’s your prerogative.. but dont hate on other fans.. ”

“We’re all on the same side in the end.”

“Fans who knock the GM or Coach do it because they care about the status of the team.”

“Incessant optimism does not make you a better fan than one who is critical.”

^5 guys.

Thank you.

The “blog beers” are on me.

Join in, yours are always hilarious.

Melo is not coming here – either he will stay with Denver under the CBA rules whatever they may be – or he will return to his home area – which is MD – Baltimore – and probably the DC Wizards. Good luck finding that game changer outside of drafting one.

And if you give them up, what would you want in return? Does this happen before the season starts, at the deadline?
I understand the need to basicaly have a completely new season, but I don’t know what players you’re looking for if you’re looking to get creative.

That may have been your best post. LOL

Excellent points

I think the Knicks need to stockpile assets during the summer considering that we can’t rebuild through the draft.

Assuming that the Knicks will have to settle for Rudy Gay (21, 6, 2) Joe Johnson (21, 4.7, 4.7) and David Lee (20, 11.6, 3.5), I think they should sign them and then try to trade Eddy Curry, Wilson Chandler and/or Danilo Gallinari to fill the void at the 1 and 5 spots.

The Knicks need to aquire All-Star talent – even if they can’t address problems like interior defense through free agency. Trades could get it done. I really can’t understand why most of you guys believe that Gay + Lee + Johnson would be a failure, no disrespect but this POV is incredibly short-sighted in my opinion (no shots).

We should target Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay with Brandon Heywood. The thought of David Lee in a Knick uniform next year is crazy. David Lee is way too soft. The only way i would take david Lee back is if we pick up Brandon Heywood.

S.Rod and Douglas
Joe jonson and chandler
Rudy Gay and Walker
Gallo and 2nd round
Brandon Heywood

Joe Johnson 13 mill
Rudy Gay 11 mill
Brandon Heywood 8 mill

Awwww…

See, we CAN “…all just get along”.

Most people aren’t comprehending that subtle point, but at least we are not alone because WE get it.

Dallas is not going to let Haywood go, and Dexter Pittman is a good young prospect at 1/10 the money Haywood will make next year!

If Toronto is really up for a S&T for Lee, then it’s time to let go. Period. No defense = no good.

Yao is a BIG question mark. It’s nice group but the play in the West. There’s 8 teams better than them. Plus knicks won’t be az bad. Probably have the same record

Example :

1. Knicks sign Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay and David Lee.
2. Knicks draft Jarvis Varnado, Greivis Vasquez and Lance Stephenson (2nd rd).
3. Knicks trade Eddy Curry for Ronny Turiaf, Vladimir Radmanovic and a conditional 1st round draft pick.
4. Knicks trade Wilson Chandler and Toney Douglas for Jerryd Bayless and a conditional 1st round draft pick.

Jerryd Bayless
Joe Johnson
Rudy Gay
Danilo Gallinari
David Lee

Ronny Turiaf (30 mpg – Interior defense)
Jarvis Varnado (10 mpg – Interior defense)
Vladimir Radmanovic
Lance Stephenson
Greivis Vasquez
3 Minimum FA’s

Plus the mid-level exception in 2011 and 2 conditional 1st round draft pick.

How could you say this team doesn’t have a bright future?

I’m not looking to get creative.

But if the big FA’s are not available, the Knicks will HAVE to sign a couple of 2nd tier-FA’s and then get creative to address problems like interior defense and playmaking skills.

With Heisley looking to sell the team, I don’t think he wants to add a high salaried contract to the bottom line.

While Rudy’s not a STAR, he is an impact player. A great second or third option on offense.

Curry’s expiring, 3 million cash (to offset part of Curry’s salary) and Chandler for Rudy is a great move for both teams.

Knicks upgrade the wing, without losing their treasured cap space. Memphis gets an expiring, cash and a similar player in Chandler on a rookie scale contract.

I really think Memphis would seemed inclined to make this move.

David Lee is a far superior basketball player to Brendan Haywood. Lee is playing out of position. Think of him as a F, not a C.

Vlad Rad sucks. He has no heart. I know Serbs that are friends with him in LA. He only plays hoops for the $$$.

I I know i come down hard on Walsh, but I’m almost there in believing that any team MD put together and on the floor to run his system (20-30 3 point attempts every night) is not going to succeed, and that this guy will be that Frankenstein some of you guys want to run chase out of town!

Maggette is a ball hog and a locker room cancer. You don’t want him, or his terrible contract, on the Knicks.

” Plus knicks won’t be az bad. Probably have the same record”

Man I have been saying that about the Knicks for ten years. Can they actually win before we start predicting they will be “better” than this team or that team.

I couldn’t care less about Radmanovic. Ronny Turiaf is a very good defender and he’s a great teammate, that’s what the deal is all about.

I can’t even watch Steph Curry play. It makes me sick that the Warriors stole him from us.

Chris Paul is not getting traded. Not now, not ever.

Am i the only one who doesn’t think that lee, gay, and johnson is a bad thing? I mean honestly, we’re gonna shop curry. Maybe we could shop him for another expiring and pick up some cap room and make a run at another play on top of that. Flat out, if our lineup was….
pg-sergio
sg-JJ
sf-rudy
pf-chandler
c-lee
Bench
Gallo
TD
Walker
Draft pick or two

I wouldn’t really mind that lineup. Is it a championship lineup? No. But it’s a start. Obviously, I want LBJ or Bosh, but as a secondary option, it’s far from being the worst thing.

At least Lee can pretend to guard Centers. Gallo would be on the IR after two games if they tried to run him out there at the 5.

I’ve been to a few games at MSG lately, and Gallo and TD are our best defensive players by far.

No one has noticed that Gallo often defends the other team’s best wing player. He did a great job on Joe Johnson in the win over Atlanta last week.

Dexter Pittman doesn’t fit our system considering he’s the size of EC. Not to mention that he has weight issues, again, like EC.

Listen guys it will take more than one year to rebuild this team, but anything postive is a step in the right direction. The smart thing for walsh to do (and he has said this by the way) is to bring in one max guy and 2nd/3rd tier guys like the rudy gays and ron artest’s of the world, and use the rest of the money to build a solid deep team for year one of the rebuild. This whole 2 max contract blah is more so the media’s thing, the 2 max guy scenario has never came out of walsh mouth he just always says we need cap room. I know its been a long long long long time coming but for me its not lebron or bust. The knicks have options, a sign and trade with david lee for a star, which would allow them to add a max contract and go over the cap without spending the free agent money, they can trade currys contract for a player or players, along with what ever free agents they bring in. Im not against a team built in the mold of the championship spurs or 2003 pistions team. One super star, and good quality 2nd and 3rd tier players an role players

+ 1

No to Rodriguez though, what dyou think about my scenario?

Aren’t you supposed to be out of the country?

VOR, I already replied to you, but again, drafting Dexter Pittman under D’antoni is the worst draft pick humanly possible….the guy has weight issues and can’t run in our system…if we some how got a late first, I would push from craig brackins or armon johnson….possibly even willie warren although he’s a combo guard…

Chandler is a better defender than both of them.

Listen guys it will take more than one year to rebuild this team, but anything postive is a step in the right direction. The smart thing for walsh to do (and he has said this by the way) is to bring in one max guy and 2nd/3rd tier guys like the rudy gays and ron artest’s of the world, and use the rest of the money to build a solid deep team for year one of the rebuild. This whole 2 max contract blah is more so the media’s thing, the 2 max guy scenario has never came out of walsh mouth he just always says we need cap room. I know its been a long long long long time coming but for me its not lebron or bust. The knicks have options, a sign and trade with david lee for a star, which would allow them to add a max contract and go over the cap without spending the free agent money, they can trade currys contract for a player or players, along with what ever free agents they bring in. Im not against a team built in the mold of the championship spurs or 2003 pistions team. One super star, and good quality 2nd and 3rd tier players an role players

stole him?

@ fredweis, DLee a 4 or a 5 it doesn’t matter any more, Lee is a hopelessly inferior defensive player who now should be looked upon as being an asset for the Knicks! Walsh most use DLee to get something (preferably Jason Thompson and Andres Nocioni-two “defense oriented players”) instead of letting DLee walk for nothing!

“Plan B: DRAFT PICKS”

This is really funny considering that we just traded away all of ours. Now our Plan B is to rebuild through prospects and draft picks after just trading them all away.

Interesting.

Trade Gallo, Chandler and/Curry for what? Who?

Are we preserving cap space for 2011?

Ok gm Has since you know it all we might as well just not share opinions here. Fact is… No one knows what’s going to be available. But we do know tht there are more options available to the team now that DW cleared so much cap space.

Let’s not kid ourselves, Walsh traded those picks for a chance at Plan A talent, not Gay and Johnson. We can’t let picks that don’t belong to us guide our moves. We can still be competitive without betting the farm on 2nd tier stars. I said we should grab one star, maybe Gay and fill out the roster with relatively inexpensive but promising players (CJ Watson? Will Bynum?), then grab a player or with a less than savory contract for a future picks. (Calderon? Beidrins? Posey? Brand?)

Also, I would lump CP3 with Lebron, Wade and Bosh in Plan A, but I think getting CP3 is the longest shot of all 4 of them.

“Wilson Chandler and Toney Douglas for Jerryd Bayless and a conditional 1st round draft pick”

Neva happen. If anything we would have to give up the draft pick not the other way around.

I’ll take sergio, but not as his option…i would let him walk and then re-sign him to about 2 a year…i think at 2 a year he’s worth it…and to your scenario, it’s worth it, but i wouldn’t take vasquez…stephenson is ok, but depending on how people fall, i really want armon johnson (if we get back into the first), but if we have to deal with second rounders, if brackins falls, I think we take him or willie warren for that matter. If we can get a late second, I would Ndiaye from rutgers. The guy is honestly useless on offense, but a great shot blocker. Granted, I know that varnado is too, but I rather have brackins’ offense and ndiaye’s defense.

For me, if we have to deal with all seconds and we can get another one (buy the pick)…
Ideal for me personally:
Sherron, Brackins, and Ndiaye
or
Warren, Brackins, Ndiaye

If somehow, we can get a late first back, add armon to that list. I love armon (no homo)

Taking back Okafur’s contract would again hamstring the team. I like CP3 alot but would like a better player than okafur. He’s not a true 5 either

Don’t be so melodramatic.

The Knicks would love one of the “Big 3″, but they aren’t screwed if they don’t land any of them.

The Knicks need the right players, not the right names.

Look at the reality today -

D Wade’s Heat might not even make the playoffs this year, and Bosh’s Raptors are a lock for a 1st round exit. Joe Johnson’s Hawks are a more serious threat in the East.

Rudy Gay’s Grizzlies are also a better team than Wade’s or Bosh’s.

And Rudy Gay is 3 times better than Chandler. They are similar types of players, but not equal. Rudy can take over a game, Chandler can’t.

The way I see it we traded those picks for cap space in hopes of getting game-changing top tier talent. If that doesn’t happen, then use the cap space to try to get picks back, cut our losses and leave free agency with our tail between our legs. Plan B is not pretty, but neither but it’s better than being forced to over pay 2nd rate stars. This plan B also could put the Knicks in a better position for Lebron James again if he signs a short term deal.

@ barnaby8787, I didn’t see a post where you responded to my suggestions. But you are completely 100% wrong about Dexter Pittman! Cat, he is the “Anti-Curry”-He rebounds, defends, he’s a very good passer from the low post, he block shots-he has incredibly long arms, and he “LOVE” to work out/maximize his body’s potential! This Cat is a diamond who i would not risk waiting to draft in the 2nd rd! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJg7Is5A6Rk

at least they are honest

Bosh + Paul and Okafur

Or Johnson + Paul and Okafur

While keeping some cap space (I think Carmelo could realistically consider joing that squad) and having an A+ draft (buying picks and drafting wisely) is “…not a bad July”.

Maybe you’re right.

Chandler + Douglas for Bayless is a fair deal IMO.

that team is why we threw away 2 years of basketball?sorry,but if thats what we end up with,I want free cable from dolan for 2 years

you are overating BAYLESS

So, you’re argument is that Wade and Bosh are overrated?

And Gay is one of the “right players” and Wade and Bosh are simply “names“?

Hmmm… OK.

I’m not touching this one because everyone will label me a hater.

@ barnaby8787, I also like Armon Johnson but i see him as a middle 1st rd pk and not a late 1st rd pk. Also Brackens is a player but this coming season he will still be a young project, and i want a defensive stud at the 4 who is ready now! And i have my eyes on Jason Thompson!

“I really can’t understand why most of you guys believe that Gay + Lee + Johnson would be a failure, no disrespect but this POV is incredibly short-sighted in my opinion (no shots).”

I must respectfully disagree. It depends are what your goals are. A playoff spot? A championship? A dynasty?

First of all, can the Knicks even afford Gay, Johnson AND Lee? I think all three of those players will command a bidding war and we’d be forced to overpay for all 3. Gay might be worth it, but I don’t think Johnson will be, and definitely not Lee.

Grab Gay because he’s still young, but I say cut your losses and let someone else over pay for Johnson and Lee. Trade the remaining cap space for prospects and/or picks. Build from there.

I’m not on board with anything involving Joe Johnson, especially because that would be 3 6-8 swingmen plus gallo and lee, but, I do like the idea of Gay.

23 Year old players are assets. Joe Johnson, if he regresses, is an untradeable contract until is about to expire. Rudy Gay we-d have from 23-28, we could be resigning him again in his prime if he’s great, and he’s still tradeable even if he slows down. At 12 mil a year, two years from now, even if his knees blow out and he recovers to be half the player he is, he’d still be somewhat tradeable.

Gay, even though it seems a little too much like Wilson Chandler, could then let us flip Chandler or Gallo for something else, like a draft pick. We could even sign Gay, and then use him in 2011 as part of a trade for Chris Paul.

Rudy Gay is a great player for this system. If he spends the summer shooting threes, he is perfect. He can hit the mid range jumper, the open three, slash to the hole, run the fast break, freakishly athletic, good for a steal and a block a game, gets into the passing lanes, matchup problem. Can play three positions. This kid would be flying all over NY. If we dont get Lebron, I MUCH MUCH MUCH rather Gay/Bosh than anything Joe Johnson.

I think he’d blossom under Mike D’Antoni + Joe Johnson who doesn’t need a pure PG to be effective.

I think the Blazers are happy with Batum.

LOL, EC was like that when he entered the league too. My point is that he’s close to 300 pounds and doesn’t fit our system. Plus, the older he gets, the harder it will be to maintain his weight.

LOL @ “stole him” Dumb (Walsh) & Dumberer (_’antoni) “stole” Curry from us by trying to make a run at the 8th seed in the playoffs last year instead of moving Nate and Lee when they had their restricted tags to add their trade value.

We’ll have to see how far armon falls. Brackins is just as nba ready as pittman, so I don’t see how he’s a project. Granted, he’s not a great defender; I’ll give you that, but he’ll fit the al harrington role off of the bench in my opinion considering he’s the same type of player. Just hopefully, he won’t chuck up 20 shots a game.

My goal is a championship. But the Knicks will never get there if they sit on the money and wait for the next savior to come (assuming that LeBron, Wade and Bosh aren’t available).

I don’t think the Knicks will have enough capspace for Lee Gay Johnson but since we’re talking about it… I’d love to see Gay JJ Lee play for the Knicks THEORICALLY.

I don’t think it is safe to rebuild through other team’s draft picks. Gay and Johnson are proven stars, we don’t know which slots and which kind of player we’ll get in the draft. It’s an interesting vision though – I just think the Knicks can’t follow that road considering that they traded their own draft picks.

It’s a matter of perspective – you know I always respect your POV but I respectfully disagree with you here.

Warren is a pure SG in my eyes, and if Walsh does get 1st rounder, it’s hard to know how far he will fall, because he’s lost a lot of stock since the last draft so it’s hard to tell.
Imho, it’s better to go after a PG if Walsh gets a 1st rounder, I personally like Kalin Lucas, the kid’s got game. .
Pittman wouldn’t see the light of the day under this coach.

anything other than wade or lebron=a bad summer.

an the forecast is looking really bad this summer.

donnie better be thinking about a package for cp3 or monta.
at the guard position monta an cp3 are better than every guard thats a free agent other than WADE.

gay johnson and lee now it’s an upgrade now still not the new version-lmao..

the only way i’ll keep lee is if the knicks get a good big man that can cover up lee super dupper D.

my magic ball is telling me the summer will be a failure unless donnie makes some big trades…

thats a hella deal for the blazers

D Lee is worth a lot more than Jason Thompson and Andres Nocioni. Both players I like, but they are limited role players.

Realize this –

David Lee is one of the best screen and roll players in the NBA today.

With a PG who could shoot the 3 and penetrate, Lee is a 15/10 player for 10 solid years. This is because his assets are not predicated on athleticism, but on dexterity and basketball IQ, learned and innate.

Add that Lee is a hard worker, great locker room guy and a budding vocal leader, and he’s a very sound investment for any team.

Yes, he’s not great on D, but defense is a team game. A team’s D is only as good as the commitment the team makes.

The big difference between him and Chandler is that he’s got higher bball IQ and handle, which allows him to play with no problem at SG.
No matter what people say, Will cannot play the PF, that’s quite suited for Gallo, it’s where he should end up playing. If he works out during the summer and work on the athleticism and post game, he can be a more than decent PF.
Johnson may be more polished than Gay, but he’ll be more expensive, and if DW’s looking for a combo of players, he’s much better of getting Gay and making a run at Bosh to have money left for a guy like Camby.

“1. Knicks sign Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay and David Lee.”

How are you paying them? Lee is probably getting at least 9 or 10, Memphis offered 10 for Gay and he turned THAT down last year (are we the only ones in the market for him?) so I would imagine that 11 will be at the start of the conversation. That leaves 12 and Johnson turned down 15 mil last year to stay on a winning team.

How do you fit them all under a 32 million dollar umbrella?

Double Yikes! I get on this blog and I see “Lee, Gay and Johnson”!
What the f-u-c-k! Did we make all this noise about getting so far under the salary cap just to order SPAM?

What about the assistant trainer?

We don’t seem to know how to put together a absic team where players don’t have to always play out of position.

Here are the 1st steps we need to do:

1. Fire the coach, coach’s brother, EVERY one on the bench including Williams.

2. Bring in a coach that is proven and can put in a system of accountability. Let him pick his own staff.

3. Buy a big box od tissues (no pun intended) for Tommy Dee and DVJ on losing theiy best Buddy coach!

4. Let this coach observe and play the players to evalauate who should stay for next year and etc.

5. Go after the KEY few Superstars in the offseason and if we can’t get them, go to plan B which is not to overplay for lower tier pseudo stars. Stay away from long term contracts to go after the next wave of key Superstars. We have to build from our youth and get lucky drafting. (Be honest with the fans that it will take a few years to get where we need to be. LBJ alone is not gonna get us to the promiseland)

6. If Walsh can’t do this, he should resign so we can get someone who can get er done.

He’s lost a lot of stock b/c of injury…he could be a poor man’s ty evans…and i’m not high on kalin personally…I don’t see him amounting to much more than a decent point on the next level…

LOL, yeah, let’s get nocioni and his horrific contract…sounds awesome

When i put together a team i see the Knicks being able to compete with and one day being able to Challenge the upper echelon teams in the NBA i form a team of players who have potential, who have the heart, pride, will, and drive to maximize their potential, and then who as a team of players playing together will have their potential maximized by each other. For those reasons i don’t include DLee, WC, or S Rod much in my starting 5 because I don’t consider those players starting 5/championship players!

Yep, That’s just it! This organization has no real plan that we can see other than waiting around to get a LBJ or a Wade.

No one has put forth actions to ensure that even if we get one of these players, we better have other players for this Superstar to play with. That becomes a catch-22 because it hurts in us getting that key Superstar.

Therefore unless there’s a very good realistic plan put forth, we will be overpaying for the lower tier players to try to save the GM some face. The Isiah area is lurking with bells and whistles.

We have wasted 2 years with this coach and we still can’t play defense and the players haven’t gotten better under him.

“I’m not on board with anything involving Joe Johnson, especially because that would be 3 6-8 swingmen plus gallo and lee, but, I do like the idea of Gay.

23 Year old players are assets. Joe Johnson, if he regresses, is an untradeable contract until is about to expire.”

+1. The only way I’d want Joe Johnson on the team is to either pair him with Lebron or flip him within the first season or 2 for some combination a center/pg/rookie contracts/draft picks.

Even though Joe Johnson is a bit better than Rip Hamilton (not as much as people think though), I think it could end up the same type of situation. Rip is still a very good, productive player with a ring, but his contract is almost untradable because of his age and contract. What will Johnson’s value be in 2-3 years? Will he be worth $20mil/season?

I totally agree with Jay and Justin (another JJ, damn!). Bosh/Gay would safe the summer if LeBron is not coming. Just stay away from JJ. Way too much money, way too old, declining. Justin says it all. The age difference is crucial and Gays stats have been climbing. (a little at least..)

I also noticed how chandler’s bb IQ has been exposed lately. Too many bonehead drives to the basket without seeing the court, without making plan b’s before a move. He has a tendency to get himself into bad situations.. guess he has been playing for too long with Al..

Camby
Bosh
Chandler/Gallo
Gay
Toney/Sergio.. for now

this team with a renewed energy level would be pretty good..

How in the heck can you call a guy a hard worker but he does not work at all on defense.

RalpheAL is a very hard worker too! No one works as hard at receiveing the ball and chukcing it up religiously.

Dave Cowens would be totally insulted by your remarks Fredweis!

I agree it should be our plan be, overpaying for medicore talent would be a disaster (see Detroit). But . . . I would love to see the spin then because we would have wasted two full years (and more) to do what we should have been doing in the first place.

@ barnaby8787 “Brackins is just as nba ready as pittman, so I don’t see how he’s a project. Granted, he’s not a great defender; I’ll give you that, but he’ll fit the al harrington role off of the bench in my opinion considering he’s the same type of player.” I hope that was a slip of your fingers on the key board when you commented on Brackens being the same type of player as Al Chucketts and for that reasons the Knicks should consider drafting him!

Yo.

If Lee is here next year, especially at CENTER, you’re all going to see me on the news.

Yeah reunite JJ back with this coach! The rings they won in PHX can resurface as well. Rep would be better since he’s aguy that is always in motion and can open up things for others.

JJ totally dissappears in games. To recreate the HPX suns minus Nash is just shameful. How we Knick fans would set back and settle for this is beyond me. We don’t even know our own history!

Fair enough. We seem to both be on board with Rudy Gay as a Plan B. I just think our next best shot at a savior would be through the draft. Other teams draft picks is dangerous but it can also pay out huge. A playoff team with a lotto pick is a pretty much as good as it gets, just ask Utah.

I suppose we’ll have to agree to disagree. I just don’t feel comfortable knowing we mortgaged our future for a 30yr Joe Johnson

“How in the heck can you call a guy a hard worker but he does not work at all on defense.”

What did you just start watching the Knicks?
Did David Lee come in to the league with that jump shot?
How about his free throws?

He’s a hard worker and he’ll work on his defense.
To sit here and act like Lee doesn’t work on his game is retarded but then again I am talking to X-man so anything is possible.

HAHA

I kid I kid

Which was my question . . . how did GS steal him? That is just ridiculous.

That is like saying the Clippers stole Blake Griffen from us, or Minn stole Rubio.

The mentality of some of these Knick fans.

Gallo needs to built around. Wouldn’t trade him for anybody not named Wade or Lebron.

The Knicks supporting cast is better than the Cavs.

Jarred Jeffries is much better than Varjeo (my personal favorite)

The Hornets would be LUCKY to get a steal like Curry and Chandler for Chris Paul (Gallo would be way too much to give up) AND

the Twolves would be lucky to have Chandler for Rubio.

INSANITY I tell you.

Oh yes and:
Tony Douglas = Joe Dumars
Chandler = Clyde Frasier
Gallo = Dirk (by multiple posters)
Duhon > Arroyo, Pargo, J. Williams, etc.
Hill = Chris Bosh (actually will be better than Bosh)
David Lee @ 11 mil > Bosh @ 16 mil

Knicks will easily make playoffs in East at 5 seed this season.

“…a sign and trade with david lee for a star, which would allow them to add a max contract and go over the cap without spending the free agent money,”

That’s not true though. If I’m not mistaken there is 32 million or so to spend no matter which way you slice it.

And they have to renounce Lee and their other “cap holds” to get to that magic number of 32 mil of cap space in the 1st place.

“1. Fire the coach, coach’s brother, EVERY one on the bench including Williams.”

Idiotic

“2. Bring in a coach that is proven and can put in a system of accountability. Let him pick his own staff.”

Moronic

“3. Buy a big box od tissues (no pun intended) for Tommy Dee and DVJ on losing theiy best Buddy coach!”

Ya Mamma

“4. Let this coach observe and play the players to evalauate who should stay for next year and etc.”

You need Jesus

“5. Go after the KEY few Superstars in the offseason and if we can’t get them, go to plan B which is not to overplay for lower tier pseudo stars. Stay away from long term contracts to go after the next wave of key Superstars. We have to build from our youth and get lucky drafting. (Be honest with the fans that it will take a few years to get where we need to be. LBJ alone is not gonna get us to the promiseland)”

What has everybody here on the blog been talking about? Go after the stars and if we don’t get them, try to sign 2nd tier players to reasonable deals.

I agree with you about bust but I think its Lebron or Wade or Bust. I think there are a lot of better more crediable ways to get this team winning for years to come besides hoping for lebron. However, as knicks fans we are forced to look at history. If the Knicks are forced to do anything else but sign Lebron or Wade they will most likely screw it up. The least amount of choices the Knicks have to get better the better for us all. Look at the Ewing situation. Imagine the Knicks had the 3rd pick instead of the number one pick. And lets say Ewing fell to them at 3 do the knicks still make the same pick hmmm i question that. We all fear and know that this year is going to be the Summer of PANIC. Where walsh signs Joe johnson to max money and worst signs lee to big money and then here we go again.

The more you talk, the more we realize that not only did your school bus have tinted windows but your classroom probably did also.

We’re still waiting for your coach suggestion.

Who would you hire?

Your special ed teacher doesn’t count homey.

I’m saying………….

Thursday cuz

“D Lee is worth a lot more than Jason Thompson and Andres Nocioni. Both players I like, but they are limited role players.”

Newsflash: _avi_ Lee is a “limited role player.

Can you guess why?

“Add that Lee is a hard worker, great locker room guy and a budding vocal leader, and he’s a very sound investment for any team.”

That’s a real stretch. “A GREAT locker room guy?” “A budding vocal leader?”

No one is going to listen to a guy who gives 0 effort on the defensive end of the floor. Trust me.

“Yes, he’s not great on D”

C’mon man, “he’s not great”? He’s not great, he’s not decent, he’s not serviceable, he is incredibly horrid on defense to the point where he should be embarrassed and ashamed of himself.

excuse me, Darko? Wasn’t he riding the bench all season? What makes you think he addresses ANY of our answeres when MD won’t play him?

You missed my point, or are being facetious.

My post was a counter-argument to the statement that the Knicks are “so screwed” if they don’t land one of the “Big 3″.

My points are that

A) having players with big names on your roster doesn’t equal success.

*Did you see the ’04 Pistons beat the Lakers? A team with Shaq in his prime, Kobe, Karl Malone and Gary Payton?

B) a team’s success depends on getting the right players for the right system.

Lest we forget some of the names the Knicks have chased in the recent past? McDyess, Marbury, Francis…

Our past GM’s didn’t give thought to the right players for the coach and system in place, they just looked at the names.

The Knicks can be plenty successful even without LBJ, Wade or Bosh.

A Knicks team with Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay, for instance, could be pretty darn dangerous.

@ x-man, And those two years are as plain as the sun on a sunny day to LBJ, DWade, and Bosh.That the Knicks are in a hole not only by having (by either the draft, or by trade) marginal or one way, or flawed, or young players, but also gaping holes in their mgnt. dept., as well as gaping holes with regards to coaching! Holes they might not believe can be filled by Walsh’s deteriorating skills, or a coach with gaping holes in his system. A system that does not emphasize defensive mastery.

Good post.

Woah watch the profanity.

Yup. It will never happen in a million years.

The ideal summer for me would be Lebron (obviously) and Rudy Gay. And we’ll have enough money to sign either a pg or center, b/c Gay won’t earn as much as a Bosh-type player.

dont be so sure there are some dumb teams out there. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if gay got a max from the clips or the nets that might be what we’re dealing with contractually

Limited role player? David Lee is an All-Star.

David Lee is ________

3rd in the NBA in rebounds per game
4th in the NBA double-doubles
5th in the NBA in efficiency rating
8th in the NBA in points+rebounds+assists,
9th in the NBA in FG %

How do Jason Thompson and Andres Nocioni rank? Please…

You are obviously just a player hater, and have David Lee in your sights.

That’s true, it would be like 2 years (and draft picks) wasted, but I think if you have a shot at someone like Lebron, then you gotta go for it. He’s a once in a generation player. I can’t blame Walsh for going for the gold this summer, I was on board with that from the beginning. I just haven’t been impressed with how he’s gone about it.

Lebron, Wade and Bosh might not come to NY, but there are a lot of factors that are just out of Walsh’s hands. How Walsh handles business if he can’t get those 3 will be what proves his worth as a GM.

“Limited role player? David Lee is an All-Star.”

Yes, a limited role player. I think it is fairly safe to say he is limited (understatement) on the defensive end. No?

“3rd in the NBA in rebounds per game
4th in the NBA double-doubles
5th in the NBA in efficiency rating
8th in the NBA in points+rebounds+assists,
9th in the NBA in FG %”

_avi_ Lee is on a losing team.

“You are obviously just a player hater”

Call me what you want, but _avi_ is a career loser. Fact.

I think all ya’lls who say if we don’t get one of the big three that this is some sort of “epic fail” are being absurd.

This was about wiping clean the slate of Layden/Isaiah. Creating flexibility.

In other words, this is an epic non-fail, ALREADY.

lol We’ve been here before DVJ. I guess your 2 mile run today in the heavy rain wearing your little braced hoses and Helmet must be rough huh? Should we call you a mudder?

As for coaches, I’d taker Jeff VanGundy for starters, Byron Scott or Avery or even Thibodeau. It surelyt would help to interview these candidates to see what system and how they see this team contending in the future.

Aaaah DVJ, but my class could play kick ball without one of the kids catching on fire from the sparks from the little braced shoes your entire class wore.

Why don’t ya get the coach to put you in the game so we all can se you run the 7SOL. “Now there’s a FIRE!”

Not to mention David Stern made Lee an All-Star, not the fans or more telling, the coaches.

You’re drooling buddy! We can easily be right bacxk into overpaying for lower tier stars that will get us at best 1 and out in the playoffs.

Wasn’t it Walsh who chose the Draft picks and trades the last 2 years?

Isiah did that in his 1st year here. We haven’t repeated that ferat yer under new mgmt. That’s Real Talk!

b-c plan

Joe J

Gay

Gottta get either a great offensive/defensive 4 or 5

keep the rest

What about TJ Ford as PG? Spanish Choc and Douglas …im not liking

Tj/Doug
JJ/Chandler
Gay/Gallo
4?
5?

So True. Some seem to forget that most best teams got that way mostly via the draft picks.

Kobe, Duncan, Pierce, Parker and so many others were drafted by their respective teams I believe. Players were added over the years but these eally good temas made the most of the drafts.

We keep talking about getting Superstars from other teams when we haven’t done much to develop our own players from our drafts.

lmao.
i wonder what big 3?

it’s the big 2 wade an mr crab walk.
bosh isn’t a superstar.

u can tell who likes ugly chicks an who will splurge on ugly chicks

lol. Remember man, we have you on record now. If something happens to Lee next year, Im gonna have to point them in the right direction. Lol.

seriously, how can “wiping clean the slate of Layden/Isiah” be a goal? That is a necessity, a means to an end. But not the end! The end is a championship caliber team. That’s how failure or success will be measured. get real!

3. Buy a big box od tissues (no pun intended) for Tommy Dee and DVJ on losing theiy best Buddy coach!

LOL

DVJ, I’m usre you would be an expert at “Curling” Your little braced shoes would do well on ice.

We already know you have no idea about the game of b-ball. You prive it loudly each day! It must be ood to be family though!

Tell Grandpa Donnie that I can’t wait to see his draft pick this year….or maybe another team can’t wait either.

Amen! Unfortunately, you can’t get this great pt across to the Dearly ree-tarded! DVJ and his peeps are out witht heir new Helmets on…and they ain’t playing Star Wars either!

Man, some people on here just don’t want to give Joe Johnson any respect. The guy is averaging 21, 5, and 5 on his best shooting of his career at 45% now and people don’t think he would carry us to the playoffs? Are you guys kidding me? Plus, unlike some of the younger guys he came out of college, which means less wear and tear on his knees for those years than the years that Wade and Lebron were playing pro ball. On top of that, he’s a smart player who doesn’t need to dominate the ball and is the best player on one of the best teams in the league. And people on here don’t want him? He is not going to get worse for a few years either, maybe throughout the entire length of his contract. He doesn’t dominate with athleticism or speed so he won’t get that much worse as the years go on. He’s just a smart player who knows how to get his shot off. In my opinion, and you guys can keep me on record as saying this..Joe Johnson at 13 million + Rudy Gay at 11.5-12 million + a solid veteran like Camby or Felton=4th seed next year at worse. Plus we can build on that with EC’s expiring contract and some draft picks…oh wait. Damn. Haha, but we can buy some late 1st rounders later on so that might work out ok.

“No one offered Lee a deal last summer because they all thought knicks would sign him.”

Everyone knew the Knicks were not going to jeopardize the summer of 2010. They didn’t want to pony up 4 million for Sessions when they only had ne point guard on the roster (or none depending on how you look at it) in Duhon.

I do think there will be at least 1 GM stupid enough to want him at 10 mil per, I’m just praying his name isn’t Walsh.

46% is his career best in 82 games

Didn’t JJ leave PHX to set Atl on fire? What happened?
JJ is a good player but he is NO game changer by any means. On a given night many players in this league can have good nights.

If you just look at Lee’s offensive numbers, you would swear he is a star. If you look at his whole game and impact to this team, you wmay add “Fallen” in front of it.

You have to look at more than just stats to see how a player impacts games and other players. Crawford seem to be the go to guy at end of game sin Atl more so than JJ from the games I”ve seen.

But if you want to reunite JJ back with the coach, you need to look no further than Eddie House. Since coming here, Eddie jacks up shots like RalpeaL now. Any ideas Why?

Nah, I’ll be more of a danger to myself than Lee. Although I would love to put _avi_ out f his misery Mafia-style (if he were resigned) lol.

talk about DVJ.. we still have the bet going right? No way we win 30…

Dude, you’re truly undressing yourself..and that’s not very pretty seeing ya in your huge Helmet, little braced shoes and tighty whities on!

A center does not only become a jump( i used that term lightly) shot. The game is not about playing one end of the floor. As I stated before an undersized center like Dave Cowns would be throwing up now at what some of ya think is hard work.

Lee has improved his mid range shot but so what when he can’t stop anyone from scoring on him or menacing the paint while playing center. If you watched Lee fromt he start, you would know that he played much better defense at FL.

So how does a hard worker stop playing any defense and still be considered a hard worker?

Aaaaaah, I listen and let the ree-tarded speak!

The more I think about it, I was leaning more toward Avery Johnson before _’antoni was hired, but Thibodeau would have been great. Bringing back a Knick alum off a winning situation to start off his head coaching career back home in the Garden? Beautiful.

He could have brought in Ewing/Oakley as assistants and filled out his staff with a couple coaching “lifers”.

DVJ can only count to 20 so he’ll be winging it after that! That’s partly why the SOB loses all the time in black jack!

He takes a hit on 17,18, or 19 just to get to 20! I’m sure the house tqkes the money when he gets to 21 too!

why is it the same thing here ya’ll say ya’ll are all here 2 support the team & make opinions or whatever but everytime its lebron or bust or gay isnt what we need 4 a championship

so you tell me as big fan of the nyk that you want the coach fired after to seasons of medicore – bum players and dont even want 2 c what he can do with @ least gay or johnson

on 2 DW everybody here knew what his plan was when he got the knicks job so the complain of him doing the job right now is beyond me 2 get mad @ him for picking jordan hill instead of brandon jennings was ya biggest thing on here a while ago now that he got rid of a player 4 a chance to make the garden a place 2 bring your A game in jus 1 yr 2 me is a B+ job 2 me cuz it takes teams & gms including coaches 5-8 yrs 2 do that and if he fails

thats not on him thats on the players 2 sign here his job is to make it attractive and it def. wasnt making it more attractive wit jared and jordan on the team so @ the end of the day you are really jus here 2 for attention

let the summer happen and let mike get better playing then what he has & if its not better then bash not now wit these players

Like I said, Gay Lee Johnson was the topic here. I don’t think the Knicks will have enough capspace to sign all of them – but since this is what Berman’s article’s about people started talking about it. So did I.

I hear ya and those are good choices! I wanted Mark Jackson then because I thought the team wasn’t goinf anywhere for a few years and it was a good time to bring in a young mind who knows NY and has some character.

It’s too late for that now because we need a proven coach since we have wasted 2 years on this clown of a coach now!

Obviously DVJ and Tommy Dee are in luv with Krusty!

i think joe johnson is better the t-mac @ the 2 right now look @ it wen tmac scores 15 or more we are very much still in the game now jj can give us 20 a night its a big difference being that tmac cant get over screens anymore

but i also dont like it cuz its taking away mins from the young boys which we can use i like the progression i seen from chandler & i want him 2 play but i kno he wont being that mike loves gallo

I don’t think Johnson is a huge risk if the Knicks sign another “star” – he’s no championship franchise player obviously. He’s 28 years old but he’s very intelligent and he doesn’t rely on his athtleticism to be effective. I think he will be at worst a Larry Johnson type of player for a group of young New York Knicks.

Rudy Gay=A Future Al Harrington

What does that mean. T-Mac is on the bench rubiing his knees for most of the game. Also, even in his prime, T-Mac teams never did anything in the playoffs. Never got out of the 1st round.

JJ dissappears in games like Chandler used to do at times. JJ under thic coach would be a total chucker. We’ve seen how this coach uses JJ’s. lol

i couldnt stand another year of LEE at center.Please dont do this,it will kill me

Here’s why I believe that Joe Johnson would be a good FA signing :

1. He’s an All-Star and one of the best all-around players in the NBA.
2. He brings leadership and playoff experience to the table.
2. I think he’ll be a durable player – he doesn’t rely on his athleticism and he already knows how to play with his back to the basket.

I think Joe Johnson will be an All-Star or at least a Larry Johnson type of presence for a young New York Knicks team (not a charismatic presence but a veteran leading by example). The Knicks can’t sign Joe Johnson alone though, he is no savior.

ya got me convinced!But Walsh will never pick a center,and if he did,Dantoni would never play him

lol no argument on Eddie House. But unlike Lee, Joe Johnson is actually a very good defender. Does he take some bad shots? Sure. Sure Dagawd, he has a worse fg % than Wade. He’s not as good as Wade or Lebron, but in my opinion he is right on the next tier. A top 10 player in the league. As 82games.com defines clutch stats, Joe Johnson is ahead of Wade in terms of production per 48 minutes of clutch moments, and there are only a few guys ahead of him in terms of fg% in clutch moments. Make no mistake, that while Crawford may have that crazy buzzer beater, Joe Johnson is their go to guy down the stretch. No question about it. He is much better than people give him credit for in the clutch.

Disagree . *the 8th seed and 1st round exit ” . Might as well have teh team from 04.

Need to mix up these big names . Its about 1st or 2nd tier . Its about a cohesive group that play well

and a go to LBJ,KOBE,WADE…..

has to among them.

The rest doesn’t NEED to be a 2nd MAX player .

Amare , Boozer , Bosh

I say Lee will be used in a S & T

Need a PG

I don’r see a lot of 3rd tier players blossoming under D’antoni lately

walsh has some many options its not even funny. he can easily get a pg with a long-term contract with eddy’s expiring deal and will the thrill, especially when most teams who have a the greatest chance to land wall have established stud pgs on their rosters, so imo that is where the starting pg is coming from.

pg- trade for will and curry
sg- joe johnson
sf – lebron
pf – GALLO
c – the big fella on the vets min. coming to the big apple to fulfill his promise to win a ring for the king when they lose this year in the finals to the la lakers.

douglas, walker, 2nd round picks, couple guys on the vet min. hopefulyl tracy stays on the vet min. i think he will have a good year next year with a full offseason to get back into game playing condition.

Agreed. Plus with Johnson’s handle & passing we don’t necessarily need to have an actual PG. We can actually play Douglas at PG, in the Bibby or Mo Williams type role.

At the very least we can have an excellent defensive backcourt

+1. I just said those same things pretty much right above. I think Joe Johnson + Rudy Gay + a veteran or 2=4th seed or better next year with the help of EC’s expiring contract.

on da magics tmac was suppose 2 pair wit grant hill which would have been tough on every coach every night but we all kno about that and the second best players happen 2 b who pat garrity and a overweight shawn kemp and i believe and of great but didnt have it nomore the #33 so his injuries comes from having 2 a carry a team most of his career and got wore down

tmac played on teams wit no help in his early career then wen he did get yao he was soft and still is a bit soft in my eyes the man is basically a half foot talking then everybody he plays Most night and still he still his career avg is 9 boards a game that is soft

lmao.
the coached used JARED to his strengths not jareds
but jared is a clutch 3pt shooter what u think X

i have no prob with joeJ but when u traded etc an all for that it’s not to good

joeJ an gay in the east with danni boy system is a first round knockout
even a sweep

lol. Our coach Krusty is a genius!

u guys are missing the biggest point .. you all have rationalized that yes johnson is a very very good player in this league but not a top tier game changer or top 5 player in this league … but with all the cap space out there for multiple teams hes going to get very close to a max offer by a team who misses out on everyone .. (nets) … so its not a question of johnson at 13 or gay at 10,11 but more like johnson at 16 or gay at 10, 11

imo

D’antoni would quit and leave his whole contract on the table if walsh told him he was signing SHAQ

jamal is the man is ATL.
he’s the biggest spark of the bench in the nba

can’t wait to see what he does in the playoffs..

What you just wrote is one of the more likely scenarios in my eyes. That would also make room for a PG and a big man for the 2nd round. I would also try to buy a bunch of those more. There’s nothing better for young PF/C’s to train with a guy with such experience as Camby.
That of course would happen if the coach would give them minutes once in a while.
Gallo would be an option both for Chandler and Bosh, if he puts some work in the gym during the summer.

i dont know about top tiers to any of ya’ll but there arent really any that here other then wade 2 me and i dont think he is going anywhere

Wow. I am going to have to respectfully disagree with that statement. A lineup of lets say:

Felton
Johnson
Gay
Gallo
Any center who can bring some defense

With Chandler, Douglas, Walker, and maybe Sergio off the bench + a second round pick could go some places. Maybe they won’t compete for the title right away but with EC’s expiring they could either trade it or wait to sign some more players. Anyway, I think Johnson, Gay, and Gallo is a very solid core of players along with WIlson.

i was all in for the bk kid
when it comes to nyc products i’m all in.

but like someone said.
i would like a coaching staff of EWING STARKS OAKMAN AN MARK JAX

sorry but i meant 2 put lebron also

yo X leave the kid alone man.
u going in on those retarded jokes BRO.
lmao..

that is correct

I worry about Gay, he reminds me of Harrington, a ball chucking defensive sieve. 1.7 assist avg for his career? No way.

I honestly think Gallo after a full summer of working out, will be a lot better and probably more agile enough to play SF. We have to remember Gallo only rehab this past summer not worked out.

Joe Johnson & Bosh is the way to go if LeBron rejects us.

thats only if danni boy believes in DOUG an so far he doesn’t

1. I think many people compare that view after 2 years of putrid bball, but thelikely scenario has D’antoni staying at least one more season, but that depends on the team he gets. If it’s an top level one and he doesn’t get results, he’ll be gone quicker, me thinks.
2. I’d bring in Avery Johnson, he’s a great coach imho.
3. I understand -to some extent- their opinions, respect and faith (even blind at some times) for this coach. But I think that they’ve given him way too much room for error waiting “for his players”.
4. Keep the drafed guys + Walker. S-Rod’s QO’s too expensive and should make a cheaper contract once july starts, imo.
5. I thinks that’s what DW has in mind, anything else wouldn’t help us.
6. I would get a bunch of 2nd rounders to give them a long hard look.
7. If nothing works, you just might see him leave.

to > 2

Bro, if you ever make a solid argument for your POV, it’d be great to understand where you’re coming from, but I swear I can’t understand by any means what your train of thought is.
At least you made an attempt in the last point.

lol

I like NY products too but I what Iike most is to WIN!

We need some bains on the bench but Iwouldn’t mind having those guys as assistants for now as longs as they can help our team gets some toughness.

Signing Shaq should be top priority in that case.

felton is a brillo.
joeJ is a good player but can’t lead by himself
gay is a good young talent
gallo needs to play for another coach in order to be a good player.

chandler got mentally probs on the court.
walker is he gets in shape could be a nice piece.
sergio can be a good p.g off the bench.
doug i gotta see how he plays next season if he gets some major burn.

i’ll agree cuz i got mucho love for danni boy.
lmao..

sounds like u dissing krusty X

drooling? yo mama! just kidding, I don’t insult.

No one is tlking about over paying 2nd tier stars. In fact, Walsh has EXPLICITLY said he will not do so.

We’ll see!

I agree man. I am really hoping and counting on gallo to come back a different and much better player. Im basing this on what you said too. This guy has yet to have one offseason to work out in as he has been hurt for 2 offseasons. Not to mention that he is closer to being a rookie in terms of games played than a sophomore. I think he has a bright future and am hoping he can develop into at the least a Detlef Schrempf type, which would be awesome.

thats a tough coaching staff.
i’ll let ewing be the head coach..

lol. Didn’t one of the articles in the past week say that DW may ask Dantoni to bring on a defensive minded assistant. You may get your wish sooner than later haha.

That’s precisely what this team needed. I was (still am) all for Avery. Wouldn’t any problemas at all with Thibodeau either.
There is a need for this franchise to get their cornerstones back. We started a dark decade once htey left, and it’s necessary have them back as assistants, helping the big men, helping coordinate defense (that’s oakley right there), in any place where they can work together with the team and the coach.
Maybe this team needs a bit of that old passionate spirit to gain a new perspective on team ball.
It would certainly help the hell out of D’antoni.

sigh. I didn’t say it was an end. I said it *wasn’t* an “epic fail” as some here have been purporting.

Geez whiz

I am real. Reality is we have sucked or been mediocre and that’s it. Yes, we want a championship, but we had to take everything apart, first.

Already, there has been so much undoing of bad stuff that I think Walsh’s tenure so far has been successful. Next step is building a championship. But to say if we don’t get LeBron, Wade or Bosh this summer that we have an epic fail is just horseshift.

We have created flexibility going forward- for FAs, trades, etc. Things we COULD NOT HAVE DONE IF WALSH DIDN’T MAKE THESE MOVES.

To “stay the course” would have REALLY been the epic fail.

“get real” right back at ya, buddy!

news flash.. the window of cap flexibility will not be open for ever..

at some point this team will be capped out again.. and hopefully it will be a good thing.

Jamal can’t play defense. How quickly people forget this.

having “big name” super stars means you are in the conversation every year…

Haing 2nd tear stars means you MAY have a good year if all the chips fall n the right places but you are not a dominant team positioned for multiple chips..

A JJ-Gay duo would suck. If you’re going after a guy like Gay, who’s a SF/SG (he’d play there and Will at the SF) you have to go immediately after a guy like Bosh. It that doesn’t work, go after Boozer and Camby (for instance), or a bunch of others combinations to seal your backcourt problems (this teams definite problem).
Obviously it’s not the scenario we all want, but it’s one of the many alternatives.
We all want James, and we all know we need an all around team, so it’s looking like a difficult summer for Walsh.

It’s not about having respect for the guy, he a great one on my book, but doesn’t command the kind of money he’s gonna be looking for. For less a guy like Gay could happen and can handle the SG with no problem.
On top of that, you can go for big man (Bosh by all means possible) and have money left for Camby.

Id Donnie moves to PLan B then Plan A was a FAIL.. No two ways to state it..

Not a disappointment.. a FAIL.. we all move on and remain fans of course but it is what it is.

If Gallo bulks up and works his athleticism he can play the 4 with no problem whatsoever.
Gay is a young player in full development process who can definitely play at the 2. One has to wonder though… what would happen to players like him and others that would end up chucking and chucking 3′s all night with this coach.

No way he goes for that. I will buy you going after a PF and looking for a C at vet’s min (Camby, Wallace, etc), maybe get Bell to come in on a vets min as well.
If T-Mac wants to stay at that price, fine by me, but he ain’t seeing much court time that’s for sure.

Gay is already a chucker, I shudder to think what he would do in this system.

Under this coach, it’s a definite possibility, but that applies as well to JJ.

This is not rebuilding, it’s called making the team through the free agency. Rebuilding is a mix of young guys the franchise drafted + FAgents.
DW gave away his 8th pick + multiple picks for this upcoming summer. He’s gonna be against a wall because he knows he can’t walk away unsuccessful.
EC’s contract either gets used for a great player or a bunch of picks + young assets + heavy contract. It needs to be used wisely to maintain this team with a tangible future instead of a pipedream.

To use him as a C would be ridiculous. Imho, with a lot of work out he can play the 4 with no problem whatsoever.

In Donnie We Trust

Stay Patient My Friends

Stay Patient My Friends

In Donnie We Trust

lmao! I think Krusty a Yankee fan so it’s ok! lol

So True. Jamal couldn’t stay in front of Duhon. Jamal is very quick but he plays defense with his hands..only.

He also has to fake you out about 3 times before he decides to shoot the ball.

Yet, he takes the big shot in atl instead of JJ.

Speak for yourself playa.

I do think he could be a better coach than _’antoni though.

Dude, it’s waaaay to late for that. If our head coach can sit idly by for 2 year here and many years in PHX without defense being an important concept or practice, it’s time to get rid of Krusty!

How important are the assitants on the bench providing now? Do you think Williams is all for 7SOL?
This stubborn clown is not gonna changed by having a defensive assitant on the bench. That assitant will have time to sit and talk to Curry.

We have flexibility in going out getting a REAL coach too. Look how that’s playing out!

Flexibility does not equal success alone!

DVJ, when are u going out for your 2 mile run so I can say you’re on FIRE tonite? lol Run DVJ!

Managing is a process for any organization, so many of you has to realize it will take time to assemble a cohesive group. Lebron averages between 20+ points, so they are others can flip that bill. Playing in NY with a decent group will attract others willing to play in 2011. Once again managing is a process that takes time, so this Lebron or Wade theory that this a bust, if we don’t get either is ludicrious. Really, then you don’t know anything about managing and having an opportunity to succeed. There are too many players that are all about self rather than playing together is why many big name players never win the big One! The “Bust Theory” is garbage!

Then we didn’t need to trade our draft picks or Hill, we could have waited until Jeffries’ contract became valuable as an expiring next year.

We were already under the cap.

Donnie mortgaged our future for a chance at 2010, not 2011.

Forget it man, some 2nd and 3rd tier players will be great. Awesome. That’s the reason for the extra cap room.

As long as we get some free agents and make the playoffs it’s a win win.

Good night.

There is A LOT more to Lebron (and Wade) than just 20+ ppg. Lebron and Wade are the stars that aren’t just all about themselves when it comes to playing basketball. They play fantastic team oriented defense and love to pass the ball on offense. There are 2 players in the top 10 apg that aren’t PGs. Can you guess who they are? That’s why Lebron and Wade are so important.

true enough, x-man, I don’t disagree, there. However, it remains to be seen what D’Antoni could do with some real talent on the Knicks squad. I’m still willing to see what happens.

I was kinda hoping this post would make it to 300 comments.

Really good debates lately.

300? That’s greater than infinity to DVJ!

Ok Will I hear ya, I hope you find that Unicorn too! They are quite beautiful. lol

the knicks can get a lineup of toney douglas tmac rudy gay bosh and camby to start i would take ti in a heartbeat…