David Lee and the “4 out 1 in…”

To fit that, it seems to be either Camby or O’Neal, doesn’t it? Not many options to help Lee but not many to replace Lee, either.

For a defensive big, I like Andris Biedrins in a trade of Eddy Curry. Biedrin is young, athletic, and owed 9 million for the next 3 years. He was a Don Nelson favorite until this season when he has struggled. If the chemistry is right as well as the cost, it might be worth it to hold onto Lee. He is a hard worker albeit weak defender.

On the defensive end, losing Lee wil be like addition by subtraction.

Just finished watching the Kentucky game – man oh man – did we pick a terrible year not to be players in the lottery. Not only Wall – but DeMarcus Cousins looks amazing – and at 6’11″ geez. Also – Kentucky’s other guard – Bledsoe – man could he be a nice asset running the O for us. Not to mention Georgetown’s Greg Monroe has been tabbed as one of the best passers for a big man in recent memory.

What is amazing is that of today there are 6 teams in the league with worse won-loss records than the Kncks-shows you just how bad you have to be to get one of these guys.

To me, keeping Lee this summer equals a fail. It basically says that we traded all of Jordan Hill’s potential, a 2011 draft swap option, 2012 first round pick and a very nice $6.8 million expiring contract as valuable trade piece to sign David Lee long term.

ouch…I think I would rather have the other stuff

If we keep Lee – which is only if we can’t get Bosh – I love Marcus Camby in the middle. He brings defense, and can play the pick and pop.

With Camby and Lee you can run the double high post setup. Now we just need a point guard who can hit the 3 to tie it all together.

I would also trade my left arm to move up and get Greg Monroe.

In Camby’s words the only reason he blocks shots is usually because of the defensive break downs from the other players especially the guards.

Play good D and the need for a specific shot blocking player is not there.

Play the right way and a lot of things that people think essential aren’t really.

very well put.
thats why upgrading at PF with Bosh or Amare (or even Boozer) would be a much better push than going Camby/Tyson Chandler + Lee.

I would love to see us sign a true center to come off the bench (or watch eddy try until we can trade him) and see how Gallo, Chandler, and Bosh work as a starting frontcourt. That would be a super fast team and if we had problems could sub in a guy like Curry, Fesenko, or Mbenga and shift Bosh down to the 4 if we had to.

The 4 out 1 in is very nice when Nash and Stoudamire are running it with Raja Bell and heck even Shawn Marion to kick it out too. Dantoni has found out the hard way that its much different when Chris Duhon is running it. I would have liked to see more innovation from him this year, especially for a guy who has been called an “offensive genius” and a master innovater. It got very tough to watch everyone stand around and watch Duhon unsuccesfully try to get into the paint even with a spread out floor and the help of a pick. Its even tougher to watch Al Harrington destroy any semblance of a team offense whenever he touches the ball in the high post. I really would have liked to see a major adjustment which allowed both Gallo and Chandler to get into the post, and some more play calling where guys other than Chris Duhon would get a chance to run around screens and make plays. Too bad. I really hope Dantoni can make some adjustments next year if he needs to..he really hasn’t shown much, if any, of that in these past 2 years.

In every sense of the word. The guy has actually regressed his defensive skills since he became a Knick. This coach should seriously consider having a defensive coordinator, because thinking that every player he’ll have will be defensive minded or specialist is a pipedream, which are the 2 things that happened in Phoenix.

Whoever gets Turner is gonna be one lucky team, because the kid has the potential to become the next Brandon Roy, no exagerations.

Keeping Lee would be expensive and, at the same time, it’d be a regression to what DW’s trying to do, which is getting game changing player or players to this team.
If he is to build and all around team, then one star needs to be built around, but if not, he can get by with the players already dressing as Kincks and a bunch od 2nd rounders and vet min players.

Should everything fail I say maybe go for Lee, depending on his price. There’s Boozer, on the next tier you got Ty Thomas and J O’neal to consider.
Keeping someone because of his playing on one side of the court isn’t a smart decision in my mind, and Lee really doesn’t deserve the numbers he wants out of his contract or the “all-star” even if it went throguh Stern.

I just simply don’t get why Duhon and Harrington didn’t get an VIP invitation to the doghouse after 20 games of simply not responding to whatever offensive set our offensive vanguard pioneer was working on.

Personally, since this FAgency doesn’t have any PG’s of top level and a bunch of PF/C’s, DW should try and focus in using EC’s fat contract (pun intended) into getting a floor leader that can get things rolling.
Get a couple of big guys out of the 2nd round, maybe buy another one for a PG or a SG and try to get Camby to teach them the ropes.
Having Camby here is a must if this team should perform better.

Not really – especially with this draft. It is loaded in the sense that if you are in this lottery – or in the top 10 – you could possibly get a heck of a player – a Wesley Johnson, a Bledsoe – a Favors – it is crazy this year – we picked the wrong two years to draft in the lottery these past two seasons – if we had the no. 6 or the no. 8 this year – as in years past – we would draft someone with greater potential than either Gallo or Jordan Hill. It just hurts how it happens this season it turns out to be a golden opportunity to be drafting in the top 10 – again loaded if you are in the lottery – where we are picking – we still need to have scouts who can identify talent (which I am not sure that we do just yet) rather than just have talent fall into our lap as is the case this year. Sorry, I have to go scream at I-Thomas one last time.

Turner 31 and 11 today – just amazing – and yet again – no draft pick – no chance at getting this kid who will go 2 overall (maybe GMs fall in love with Cousins who has amazing talents) – but wow – just wow – w/ Turner we could draft one of these potential max guys we are trying to obtain through costly free agency. This franchise never wanted to truly rebuild – meaning you just take it for several seasons (7 or and just go through the draft – no mle guys (jefferies) or impostors (curry) – just stop going after the fruitless no. 8 seed and just rebuild through the draft. Hurts too much – worry that we tried to quick fix rebuild with this 2010 FA scenario – we will see – we will see.

With our scouting department, we probably would have messed up anyhow. Seems like the only definitive good value the Knicks ever get out of the draft is with low first round picks (Lee, Chandler, maybe Douglas)-our lottery selections are always kind of dicey-hopefull Gallo changes that track record.

Going after the quickfix has, like everything, its pros and cons. You get a good look at the best guys, but you don’t have insurance that they’ll land in NY. So either we come out with a game changer with the possibility of actually getting further than the 1st round or we’ll be perennial 4th-6th playoff team that a year or 2 makes a run at the conference, maybe.
That’s the way it is, since we only have 3 players drafted and with contrac, no options.

Yeah Tommy Dee, keep trying to find an angle to praise your boy D’Antoni! lol

I remember when the original legend himself tried doing a similar thing with Anthony Mason and avoiding going thru Ewing?

Can you name this b-ball genius and the # of rings he has accumulated in all his years coaching? You can use your life line and call altered ego DVJ for an answer! lol

Now 7SOL is catually a hybrid “4 out 1!” Amazing! I can’t even count all those screens I’ve seen Lee do for Gallo. To me it looked like a “4 Don’t See 1″.

With this coach’s “system”-4 can’t even defend 1.

Yep and that is what makes the last 3 years that more painful. We had no plan other than getting under the cap as though that is the answer to all ills.

Bad Coach + Long term Never won a ring GM + lots of money under the cap + a bunch of untested young players = b-ball tsunami coming. The earthquake has occurred already!

Find a team at higher elevation!

1. Trade Eddy Curry for Ronny Turiaf and Vladimir Radmanovic
2. Draft Jarvis Varnado

Then we can talk about resigning David Lee.

I want to keep Lee but only at a reasonable price.. If he wants $12-$14M a year go play in NJ. I think 6years $60M he’d take that especially if we land lebron.

All that extra money gets used to fill out the roster + cap space to use Eddy in a trade and bring back more.

I know i don’t Lee/Bosh/Amare at center next season. No one should, lets not act like Bosh is this defensive stopper because he’s not.

I’D take Bosh at $14M a year, I just want a center on this team that can play somekind of defense and block shots. Yes Camby is old but the guy can still do those things.

Tommy has a point I look at Lee with a PNR with Duhon/Douglas and look what he does. Imagine with Lebron with Chandler and Gallo on the corners with Lee jumpshot as a threat.

I see a lot of fans ignore what he has done here in 5 years. He’s improved every year and anyone saying he hasn’t must just hate him. I honestly thought last year he couldn’t improve more and yet he did. His D Still needs work but there is nothing that’s says he can’t keep working on that. The last 4 games he’s been playing good defense and trying harder to block shots.

any scenario that involves Lee resigning is a FAIL unless Lebron comes here and personally demands Lee as his side kick.

i actually like the idea of keeping lee on the team being that James aint coming here keep lee add bosh even tho both are power forwards bosh plays the center put gay at the 2 and i feel this will b a decent team after a trade involving curry 4 whatever other needs we need 2 fill

pg
gay
chandler cuz he defend sf better then gallo
lee
bosh

wit td
bill walker
i would hate this but harrington might sign 4 cheap here but as a back up is decent

i still want 2 see giddens play is he even coming to the games anymore

he has regressed defensively.. no two ways about it.

he has morphed into Zach Randolph

is Lee taking 3 mil per year? cause after you pay Gay and Bosh that’s all you’ll have left.

when did everybody become Lebron jockstrap????
he hasnt done anything wit the best team i seen last year being that he hasn’t and have no rings why do ya’ll think he would bring a ring here wit less talent?

fill ya team out wit players not Lebron and gallo, toney, wilson, and the rest of the team is rookies and D leaguers. doesnt make sense 2 me

I wonder what D’Antonis’ defensive philosophy looks like when diagramed?

you would pay gay 10 mill? jus answer the question

Sure.. Rudy gay is 23 years old, can create his own shot and would be a great second fiddle .. He has pretty much averaged 20 per game three years running

He’ll be a great SG/SF

His numbers at this point compare to Penny Hardaway in his prime.

I don’t know. Dwyane Wade + David Lee is pretty good too lol.

If the major free agent targets (LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh) don’t sign with the Knicks, Donnie Walsh will have to do something – and if David Lee’s the only big man available, he’ll have to resign him and trade a couple players to make up for his lack of defense in my opinion. I will be happy if the Knicks sign Lee, Johnson + another player (Ginobili or Allen?) trade Curry for Turiaf and Radmanovic and Chandler for Bayless. I REALLY hope the Knicks won’t have to resign David Lee though, I really do.

Totally agree with your assessment. Fans just get so excited with the prospect of bringing in marquee players that they lose their ability to think rationally. Last i checked Lebron isn’t Jordan coming off of multiple championship seasons. What makes people think he can come in here and win a championship with this roster that is in a serious state of flux? It doesn’t make sense. Now if the Knicks had a roster like OKC then i could see New York being a very enticing option for James. As it stands now it would take a minor miracle for James to come here.

That’s easy-it’s just a blank piece of paper.

yea mostly true what you wrote except he aint worth 10m
7-8 but not 10m he is good but he disappears sometimes

memphis is winning now cuz of the progression of gasol and z-bo thats the heart and soul of the team not gay which means he dont get 10 mil in my eyes

Right, the guy scores a ton and goes after the easiest boards, I don’t really see him doing much to improve his D, since it’s less than what it was in college, which goes a long way. Paying 60 mil through 6 years is ridiculous, imho. Bosh might not a defensive stopper, but the guy can stand his ground on the lane, blocks, hustles on D, and actually worries more about stopping his man than waiting for the possible board. That already makes him 10x what Lee is, hence why Bosh has evolved into one of the best PF’s in the league.

Hence his age and why he’s not at the top of chain as the max guys. Regrettably, to get him away from Memphis, 10 mil seems to be a nice round number to get him.
And Lee’s all about the cash, I just don’t see him taking less money than he did next year.

It’s a matter of PERSPECTIVE.

In 2011 :

Shaquille O’Neal 39 years old
Antawn Jamison 35 years old
Anthony Parker 36 years old
Mo Williams 29 years old
Anderson Varejao 29 years old

Wilson Chandler 24 years old
Danilo Gallinari 23 years old
Toney Douglas 24 years old
+ 1 MAX FREE AGENT

I think NY is enticing – I’m not saying that they have a better supporting cast to offer RIGHT NOW – but the Knicks will be clearly better than the Cavs SANS LEBRON in 1 or 2 years. If LeBron wants to win MULTIPLE championships then he should sign with Knicks! If he wants to win 1/2 rings in his homestate then he should resign with the Cavs!

i really dont even like bosh @ the center but he is the best fit cuz he could shoot and he bulk up over the summer and the size 2 play center with a block per game add that wit help so lee has help grabbing boards and its the best fit 4 both sides of the floor

That’s what I was going say by posting an empty page but it would not let me do it…LMAO!!!!!!!

even wit the age difference you put boss it still leave me 2 think why would he join the knick why not the heat ? why not the nets? they have why more young piece + all-stars then the knicks do

tru but memphis dont have the money 2 keep him really they aint sell seats right? and something with 2 many yrs attach 2 it might scare them away

Not to mention Gay at 10 mil would be a nice precursor to signing a MAX player at 16 and still having some wiggle room..

And again he is only 23 while Lee will be 27 in a month.

He blocks twice as many shots as Lee BTW

Signing Lee would just be more of the same.. perpetuating the losing atmosphere and giving up Hill and potentially 2 picks fo that .. makes me sick.

How much better is Gay than Chandler? Look at their stats(i realize stats don’t tell the whole story). They are similar in almost every category. Gay scores more but he plays more minutes and takes more shots. Gay is definitely not worth 10 mil and furthermore the Knicks don’t need him as long as they have Chandler at a cheaper price.

The Nets suck – I mean it is obvious. You couldn’t pay me to wear that ugly-azz jersey in that ugly-azz arena with that ugly-azz logo. Not to mention the fact that the crowd booed him.

The Heat is Wade’s team – I think James has a sense of historic direction and he wants to become a global icon he’ll have to A. Resign with the Cavs B. Sign with the Knicks.

It is obvious IMO.

Not necessarily true, no disrespect but I think this POV is very short-sighted.

If the 1st tier FA targets aren’t available, the Knicks will have to settle for Rudy Gay and trade Wilson Chandler to fill the void at the 1or5 spot. The Knicks need to improve talent-wise, they need to stockpile assets and build a well-balanced roster afterwards.

“He blocks twice as many shots as Lee BTW”
LOL

I Donnie signed Rudy Gay for 10 I would expect him to look to package Chandler (or Gallo for that Matter) with Curry and whatever else for something real useful..

Like a super quality point guard from the team that Gets Wall. (utah, NJ, NoLA)

i dont think you can really fall in love with ANY of the plaers on this roster.. a complete rebuild means no one is untouchable.

What makes you think Gay is such an upgrade over Chandler? Is it a grass is always greener on the other side of the fence scenario? Look at the numbers. Compare their stats. Gay isn’t much better than Chandler. Chandler is even younger than him. Knicks need to spend their cap money wisely. If the can’t get James, Wade or Bosh i don’t think anyone else is worth a big money long term contract and that includes Gay who is a nice player but not a super star imo. Don’t spend just for the sake of spending as if the cap space is burning a hole in their pockets. Wait for 2011 or 2012 if you have to.

i think u need 2 c a head doctor if thats the case the next suck cuz they doing the same thing we are

if james really want 2 make history he would bring a ring to BROOKLYN then which is also in ny since i c yu aint using ya brain today. global icon jus as well in a net jersey as he would in a knick jersey since you want 2 bring that up

Brooklyn nets coming soon… james signs wit net not knicks jus cuz you us the age thing made the matters worst now

I guess you didn’t read our replies.

LMAO “WAIT FOR 2011 OR 2012″ YOU CAN’T BE SERIOUS.

Again.. i would not expect Rudy Gay to be the star to build around..

From watching him he seems tons more agressive.. He also has maybe 10 times better handle and seems to have a much much better Basketbaall IQ than Chandler.. Who looks like he makes the wrong decision more times than not.

But i think Chander is a good asset at his price.. So I would look to use the cap space to get something reasonable (Gay for 10) and then move Chandler based on his value being probably higher in a trade.

I think getting a Rudy Gay would be enticing for a REAL sueperstar.. More so than Wilson Chandler who seems more concerned with getting tattoos.

i agree no1 other then wade and james i dont know about bosh is worth max money

Brooklyn is literally a project – nobody knows IF / WHEN they’ll play in BK!!!

Global icon = Special factor. 7th/8th Ave is special. Cleveland is special, considering that LeBron comes from ohio. New Jersey??? Brooklyn???

And I’m not saying that BK isn’t “special” but they have yet to build the arena!

MSG + Bright lights + Knicks history = SPECIAL.

You didn’t give me a chance to write pretty much the same thing. Chandler will get better over the summer but by the time July 1st gets here he wont be a more attractive player to FA’s . Gay as a young secondary guy is not bad at 10 mil which will be his asking price.

Bosh is max worthy when James and Wade are no longer options since he will be the next best going to the highest bidder.

They just broke ground and are likely 2 years away from opening the doors.. Atlantic Yards isnt a pipe dream anymore..

Im not sure I agree Mucha.. NYC is special.yes.. But the Garden? The Knciks “history”? 7th avenue? certainly not 8th avenue.,. LOL..

I dont buy that garden PR nonsense.. and im a fan… i love hoops.. but that’s me.. some of my friends could care less.

And I dont buy into NY being any “Mecca” of basketball. If that were the case people would be going to St John’s games and Nets games and any other basketball games just to watch it.. If you go to Indiana they would argue that they are the Mecca.. ask DOnnie Walsh.

OK

If the Knicks sign Rudy Gay and trade Wilson Chandler for another good young player (for example Jerryd Bayless) – they end up with TWO very good young players.

If the Knicks pass on Rudy Gay and keep Wilson Chandler – they end up with ONE very good young player.

And as far as I’m concerned 2 > 1.

Chris Bosh is a max player.

LOL.. well said

Yeah I noticed you keep mentioning Chandler in a trade scenario for Bayless. Um ! Its not a good idea and its not going to happen. If Chandler ids moved then it should be part of a bigger deal like with Eddy’s contract or a sign and trade with Lee( the latter not my favorite). It has to net a big return for the knicks to move another young piece.

But this team ain’t rebuilding, they’re just making a roster through the free agency. I would love to have 5 young guys to prove that we have been rebuilding through the past 2 years.
If Gay, LBJ, or any players sign here, I’d agree that trading Will + EC’s contract is the only way to go to polish this team.

“Im not sure I agree Mucha.. NYC is special.yes.. But the Garden? The Knciks “history”? 7th avenue? certainly not 8th avenue.,. LOL..”

Lol I mentioned 8th Ave because the official address is 8th ave/between 31st and 33rd st… I was talking about 7th Ave obviously.

Anyways they are AT LEAST TWO years away from cutting the ribbon… Nets fans booed LeBron James a couple weeks ago. Does he really want to sign with a miserable franchise like the NJ Nets hoping that there will be no delays in the construction schedule???

I agree. I was just tying to show how it would be even more manditory to offer him the max without hesitation if Wade and LBJ are off the market.

I keep mentioning Bayless but I could mention Rubio or Ellis… It is just an example.

Wouldn’t the Knicks have to give up something to acquire Gay? Isn’t he restricted? Is there a way Memphis wouldn’t match tne Knicks offer? Even if the offer was too pricey for Memphis i think they would still match and trade him to another team. I don’t think he can be obtained for nothing. But for argument sake let’s say the Knicks could sign him without giving compensation i agree that you could trade Chandler and get back a palyer that can help them at another position. How about Chandler with maybe Curry to New Orleans for Okafar and Collison. I’d be very happy with a package like that .

I think the fact that the Knicks play in New York is a big advantage. Endorsement money is a huge plus – just look at Nate Robinson.

New York is special – and MSG is the icing on the cake (I don’t think NY is the MECCA OF basketball either). I think LeBron wants to become a global icon and an NBA legend – New York could propell him to SUPERSTARDOM. Just like Cleveland if he wins a couple of rings with the Cavaliers. Kobe Bryant is still the most famous NBA player in Europe/China.

He is restricted.. But would have to agree to a sign and trade.. if they just matched he would be BYC and would be tough to move for a year.. and likely unhappy playing in front of no one in Memphis.

the Grizz have over 50 mil committed to 2010 including their first round pick.. and they are the second to last in the league for attendance..

thre have been grumblings that the owner would let RG walk just to make a point ..

I cant understand why the Grizz cant pull.. THe arena is right on Beale street.. they Love COllege Hoops and have some real good young players.. If I was the owner I;d be frustrated as well.

Maybe he’d do something like take a player option after three years so he can get more dough..

Yeah he is resricted but it is very unlikely based on the owners statementd that they wanna pay him more than 9 or 10. NO would not do that deal. Collison almost spells CP3 but at a rookie price. The best scenario i heard with NO that was brilliant would be sign and trade with Lee packaged with curry’s expiring and Chandler for CP3 and Okafur. Dont recall who on this line came up with it but it is brilliant and NO would atleast be somewhat interested.

Its a nice trade and the knicks would still have enough for a max player to sign.

“Wouldn’t the Knicks have to give up something to acquire Gay?”

Not if the Grizzlies don’t match. I think the Grizz’ will let him leave for nothing if he commands more than $10 million. If $10 mill is too much why would they match? Maybe they will though – we’ll see.

Chandler + Curry for Okafor and Collison is a bad deal IMO.

The Knicks should ask for a couple of unprotected 1st round draft picks + Okafor and Collison IMO. Okafor’s contract is terrible.

If NO did that trade DW would look real smart. IMO Collison is of more value and is better than Wil.

I know you know that NY is special obviously – but I think MSG + Knicks history is a big plus.

The Knicks really should consider picking up a center from the dleague and playing Lee for a few games at the 4. I can’t believe they have yet to really test out how he looks at the 4. I do not believe they are planning on resigning him, I trust DW to at least pressure Dantoni into taking on some kind of shot blocking presence at the 5.

ehh..chem

yes NY… But Im all for moving the Garden to the Farley Post Office..

i wrote more but deleted it.. i think we are on the same page..

do you really speak like that or duz ya tink itz hip?

If this team decides to bulld around Bosh then we are in trouble…. Bosh isn’t a max player. He has more talent in toronto then NY has and they can only get 32 wins so far? Miami with Wade and less talent are at 34 wins..

Bosh is a good player but not a max player. $14M is his Max.. You give Max money to superstars who make players better around them. I’ve yet to see Bosh do that with Toronto.

Only 2 Max should be Lebron/Wade

If DW could pull that deal off with the additional draft picks coming from NO it would be pure genius. I don’t think he could though. Okafor has a big contract but he’s still a productive player and would provide the Knicks with much needed rebounding and shot blocking. His contract is ugly though. Didn’t realize it was that expensive. I would definitely make the trade with the draft picks; would have to think long and hard without them.

6 years 60M is his max… it was just an idea of the number that might make him stay. I honestly don’t pay him more then $8M a year for 6 years.

Its easy to say Bosh is that good defensively when he has a 7’0 footer next to him who block shots.

I think people under estimate how having size next to you improves the over all look of your game.

Lee/Chandler Vs Bosh/Chandler is this.

Lee doesn’t block shots but rebounds (the weak rebound defense is just sad and pathetic) with chandler backing him up for rebounds. If David went to block every shot no one on this team knows how to rebound.

Bosh ok he goes for block shots and who’s back there to back him up to rebound? Chandler.

5 Years on this team David has been a SF, Backup PF and starting center. He has yet to play as the starting PF on this team but of course every knows he’s sucked because they’ve never seen him play that spot?

Lee needs to play with a center for once in his career and lets see what he can do.. Id take Lee at $8M over Bosh at $17M because that extra $9M can be used to get a center and more good role players.

Lee wants 12 mil plus as an “all star”

NJ will give it to him

u can watch him play with brook lopez

Lees max deal cN start at 13.5 btw

25% of the cap

lol.

We are.

Chris Bosh is the hardest guy in Toronto no homo, Bargnani doesn’t play hard on a consistent basis and Turkoglu looks like he doesn’t care about playing basketball anymore.

The Raptors are overrated, Bosh isn’t IMO.

Toronto hasn’t really lived up to it’s expectations, and I always thought they put way too much stock in Turkoglu basing on what he did during the last playoffs. Yes, his cast is good, but Bosh pretty much carries the team through out season, which shows in their record. Yeah, he’s not Lebron and Wade, but if you miss out on those 2, you get Bosh and then go after your 2nd tier player to see what the best possible piece available to surround him with a better cast than Toronto.

Being a good defensive player is not only based on the size that’s next to you. Sure it helps, but man to man defense, clogging the lane if needed, perimeter D, Lee just lacks. I’ve seen so many times how a team sets up their play either to finish off the game or the quarter the guy just looking how the the opposing SF or PF takes through the backdoor straight through hoop.
The latest example can be against the Atlanta game. In that last play when Will came in with the big block and the ball went back to Horford (I think) and Lee all the while watching along outside the paint. It was really something to watch.
That’s got nothing to do with the size that’s next you. It’s all about how you read the other offensive and your own defensive knowledge.

cp3 or monta an i’ll be happy

how bout TOMLINSON on the jets X.
he’s in his downside of his career mayb he can pick it up over here

if the knicks can get a great defensive player mayb lee at the 4 wouldn’t be that bad.

defense to danni boy is like defense in rucker park or the globetrotters

real talk.

if u can’t shoot u will not see anytime with danni boy unless your name is duhon.

unless donnie tells danni boy look u need to play these guys ok..

bosh is hard as jello.

turkey gave up once
he got paid

hold on..i have to remember how to multiply fractions again lol

nova
bosh isn’t on the level on a wade an lebron

is he a max player in reality no he isn’t that much better than z-bo
an he’s soft mayb he blocks shots here an there but he’s soft

“Shaquille O’Neal 39 years old
Antawn Jamison 35 years old
Anthony Parker 36 years old
Mo Williams 29 years old
Anderson Varejao 29 years old”

You left out Hickson, Gibson, West and Green.

Just sayin’.

8th avenue?…some of my favorite DVD video stores are located on 8th ave LOL

Co-sign.

LOL is Boobie Gibson a solid contributor? He’s the 10th option.

Danny Greene plays in the D-League.

JJ Hickson is a solid role player, I like him but he’ll never be more than a role player.

I forgot to mention Delonte West. I REALLY like this guy, he plays hard. But he’s not a 2nd/3rd option – the series against the Magic showed why.

@biggie I know its 13.5M I’m saying that the max he SHOULD get from NY. If he wants more go have fun in NJ.

@silentjay I’m not saying Lee is this good defender, he needs work but this is what Lee has shown me.. If he needs to work at something he’ll work on it to get better. On this team he is being asked to be the post stopper on this team. That’s what a center is for, to ask a 6’9 guy to do that especially with a 6’7 SF next to you is stupid (Yes that’s D’Antoni). I bet everyone will say Lee is done improving and watch him improve something else next season. I’ve already seen these last 4 games he’s trying to block shots now but of course no one behind him is rebounding and we are getting killed on the off. boards. I could see that being one reason he doesn’t try to block every shot.

LOL @ the 10th option.

I like Green, I think he’ll be a good player. He’s not going to get time on a “the best team in the league” as a rookie. Remember last year Hickson didn’t look like anything.

Hickson is 6’9″ PF who looks really fluid, has good hands, very athletic and he’s what 20? LeBron is a nice guy to learn from isn’t he?

West might be a little wacky in the head, but the guy is a player. He can ball, straight up.

“But he’s not a 2nd/3rd option – the series against the Magic showed why.”

I think he’s really scratching the surface of his potential in the playoffs, it takes some players a few trips before everything clicks. You never really know how a player is going to respond to being in the playoffs. I really think he and Mo Williams (who only had 5 games of postseason experience before last year) are going to pay big dividends this year in the playoffs. They’ve got a real solid chance, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them win it all.

No one on the Knicks has proven anything yet, we don’t know if they can be role players, more than role players or contribute to a winning team.

Taking that into account, Chandler, Gallinari and Toney Douglas is not all that appealing imho.