Some speculation about a July trade of Bosh and Turkaglu for Curry and Lee. Turkaglu has not helped Toronto this past season. Played as a point forward in Orlando and was effective. Would he be a good fit in NY?
You keep harping that there are no great coaches without great players, then why make such a big deal about D’antoni all the time, if he’s nothing special as a coach without his “horses” then why would he be considered a drawing card for players?
That’s not Amazing coaching.. that is straight from the Mike Brown school of give the ball to the super star and let him try to win the game.. OR not.. probably a 50/50 chance..
Besides.. ATL still had 2.1 on the clock and down by One. .. A life time when Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford (remember him) are on the court
i mean Bosh got the ball with 8 seconds (didnt see any in bounds or prior action so no idea how they got to that point) and didnt get a such great look ( fall away 18 footer)
ATL had Horford on him.. it’s a coin toss at best.
Like you were preaching yesterday about the “in betweens” to the extremes, just because one doesn’t rip the organization in every single post doesn’t make them a Kool-Aid drinker.
Fair enough. I just don’t like being clumped together with the Kool-Aid crew just b/c I’m not calling for D’Antoni’s head yet. I am sitting shotgun with you on the David Lee hate wagon, though.
make a bad point.. expect to get challenged on it.
If we get a star player or two maybe the guy with the mustache on the sideline will look like a genius again..
i get the sarcasm.. its just misplaced.
let’s just hope the guy with the mustache on the sideline is more inventive than just give the ball to the star and let him figure out what to do… I suspect not though.. Given his lack of imagination in designing end of game plays or managing the end of games. Maybe he is looking around for Nash to save him
haha. Believe it or not, I still have some trust in Dantoni. This year has just been terrible from his perspective, but even more so from the “veteran leaders” on this team. Well, I guess its his fault a little for not benching guys like Chucketts and Lee and Duhon earlier in the season and not playing HIll and Douglas earlier. But I still think given a decent roster he is capable at least of coaching. This year, not so much.
Thats what I love about this site so much. With the exception of DVJ, everyone on here is ready to argue if someone makes a bad point. Its all in fun though…very little namecalling or anything like that which is great obviously.
Haha. And it just gets better. From SportsIllustrated Ian Thomsen
“Here’s something you rarely hear about someone: David Lee has priced himself out of New York.”
“Lee is so good that the Knicks no longer can afford to re-sign him”
“But some team — likely one that can pair him alongside a longer shot-blocker — will target Lee as a versatile big man who can pass and move without the ball. “I’m happy with what I’ve accomplished, and there’s still a lot more [improvement] to be done,” said Lee, who anticipates a change of position next season. “I think I’m more of a ’4′ than a ’5.’ On a championship-level team I’d be a ’4′ probably.”
There is growing sentiment within the Knick organization that the team should add a defensive expert to the coaching staff. But so far Mike D’Antoni is opposed to that idea.
D’Antoni rejects the notion that his teams sacrifice defense in the process of running a high-octane offensive system.
“I just don’t see the correlation between playing bad defense and playing that way,” he said.
Previous champions and title contenders — the Showtime Lakers of the 1980′s and the present-day Orlando Magic, to name two — have shown that a team can push the tempo while still playing the type of tough defense that the playoffs are known for.
D’Antoni has not improved the Knicks’ defense but his roster lacks a bona fide big man who can guard the paint and protect the rim. Jared Jeffries, the team’s best defensive player, was traded in a cap-clearing move and Darko Milicic, a good shotblocker, rarely got on the court before he was traded away. David Lee is the team’s starting center.
Nonetheless, D’Antoni’s focus still seems to be on adding players who can put points on the board.
“You need playmakers,” D’Antoni said. “You need guys that can shoot the ball and score. You can do it from the point guard, but you can do it from other than that.”
D’Antoni smiled when asked if LeBron James could fill this playmaking role.
SVG did a very good job in Orlando, but of course having Dwight Howard helps.
Mike D’Antoni desperately needs to demand more effort from his players on the defensive end – the fact that Jordan Hill couldn’t play despite David Lee’s lack of defense is absolutely ridiculous. Interior defense has always been his Achille’s heel anyways IMO. Thank God Sergio Rodriguez doesn’t play anymore because the PG version of Avi.
David Lee’s lack of defense is not the product of Mike D’Antoni’s system – but the fact that Mike D’Antoni doesn’t bench him when he doesn’t want to play D!
I think Mike D’Antoni needs to demand more effort (individually) from a defensive standpoint. I mean the Orlando Magic play well on both ends of the court, I don’t think Mike D’Antoni’s system is a problem. What he expects from his players is.
That’s just it Mucha, with him it’s either all or nothing. He plays 6 players 30-35 mins and the other player (or two on a good night) share the crumbs with that 7th or 8th player getting 5-6 mins. Once a guy falls out of the rotation they’re usually forgotten.
You can’t maintain a run and gun style while playing disciplined, tough defense at the other end of the floor that way for 82 games, without players either breaking down or becoming lazy on the defensive end to conserve energy for offense.
Also, your 9th and 10th man don’t get that valuable game-time experience and confidence, which can make them useful in the playoffs.
That’s why I always talk about depth. If this guy really wanted to win, he’d have a 8-9 man rotation so he can play his Nellie ball and at the same time practice a disciplined and intense D, which is something he cares not for.
Tommy Dee has watched every Knick game since 1988, it's a record that he holds close to his heart, and with apologies to Cal Ripken, believes this is one heck of a streak.
He feels the team needs: perimeter defense, an attitude adjustment, to remove all position-confused guards, someone to protect the rim, and players who respect the jersey.
He also feels basketball is the greatest gift the city has given to its people and can't wait for the day a playoff win actually takes place in the Garden.
Some speculation about a July trade of Bosh and Turkaglu for Curry and Lee. Turkaglu has not helped Toronto this past season. Played as a point forward in Orlando and was effective. Would he be a good fit in NY?
who’s speculation?
Tommy,
You keep harping that there are no great coaches without great players, then why make such a big deal about D’antoni all the time, if he’s nothing special as a coach without his “horses” then why would he be considered a drawing card for players?
That’s not Amazing coaching.. that is straight from the Mike Brown school of give the ball to the super star and let him try to win the game.. OR not.. probably a 50/50 chance..
Besides.. ATL still had 2.1 on the clock and down by One. .. A life time when Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford (remember him) are on the court
i mean Bosh got the ball with 8 seconds (didnt see any in bounds or prior action so no idea how they got to that point) and didnt get a such great look ( fall away 18 footer)
ATL had Horford on him.. it’s a coin toss at best.
I assuming Tommy is being sarcastic about it being amazing coaching (at least I hope he is)
Haha yea.
I’m right there with you Tommy!
So, if we get a star player (or two) we can fire this “coach”!
At least I think that’s what you’re implying.
I hear you Tommy.
I see the Knicks-TeaParty has already started in on this post.
LOL @ Tea Party
It’s the Tea Party vs. The Kool-Aid Brigade.
We’re obviously more sophisticated.
well played..
i’d rather drink tea than kool -aid any day..
Like you were preaching yesterday about the “in betweens” to the extremes, just because one doesn’t rip the organization in every single post doesn’t make them a Kool-Aid drinker.
I was obviously kidding! LOL lighten up.
It was in response to the Tea Party comment.
Fair enough. I just don’t like being clumped together with the Kool-Aid crew just b/c I’m not calling for D’Antoni’s head yet. I am sitting shotgun with you on the David Lee hate wagon, though.
LOL
LMFAO
I love this blog.
Lol. The Knicks Blog- Where argument breaks out every time a coach is sarcastically praised in an attempt to defend our own coach.
make a bad point.. expect to get challenged on it.
If we get a star player or two maybe the guy with the mustache on the sideline will look like a genius again..
i get the sarcasm.. its just misplaced.
let’s just hope the guy with the mustache on the sideline is more inventive than just give the ball to the star and let him figure out what to do… I suspect not though.. Given his lack of imagination in designing end of game plays or managing the end of games. Maybe he is looking around for Nash to save him
haha. Believe it or not, I still have some trust in Dantoni. This year has just been terrible from his perspective, but even more so from the “veteran leaders” on this team. Well, I guess its his fault a little for not benching guys like Chucketts and Lee and Duhon earlier in the season and not playing HIll and Douglas earlier. But I still think given a decent roster he is capable at least of coaching. This year, not so much.
Thats what I love about this site so much. With the exception of DVJ, everyone on here is ready to argue if someone makes a bad point. Its all in fun though…very little namecalling or anything like that which is great obviously.
The guy’s in dire need of a defensive coordinator. If he wasn’t stubborn enough to take one, I swear I’d cut him some slack, but he just let’s it be.
Haha. And it just gets better. From SportsIllustrated Ian Thomsen
“Here’s something you rarely hear about someone: David Lee has priced himself out of New York.”
“Lee is so good that the Knicks no longer can afford to re-sign him”
“But some team — likely one that can pair him alongside a longer shot-blocker — will target Lee as a versatile big man who can pass and move without the ball. “I’m happy with what I’ve accomplished, and there’s still a lot more [improvement] to be done,” said Lee, who anticipates a change of position next season. “I think I’m more of a ’4′ than a ’5.’ On a championship-level team I’d be a ’4′ probably.”
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ian_thomsen/03/18/lee.knicks/index.html?xid=si_nba#ixzz0iXvOovth
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Haha. Im sure this will be a blast. Tommy, you should post this baby.
“I think I’m more of a ‘4′ than a ‘5.’ On a championship-level team I’d be a ‘4′ probably.”
LMAO @ PROBABLY
No, _avi_ on a “championship-level team” you’re coming off the bench.
Good to know he has high expectations of himself. Very humble of Lee’s part. Sure, he can play in Gasol’s place, why not? Maybe even KG?
Yeah, right.
Our “coach” is stubborn.
There is growing sentiment within the Knick organization that the team should add a defensive expert to the coaching staff. But so far Mike D’Antoni is opposed to that idea.
D’Antoni rejects the notion that his teams sacrifice defense in the process of running a high-octane offensive system.
“I just don’t see the correlation between playing bad defense and playing that way,” he said.
Previous champions and title contenders — the Showtime Lakers of the 1980′s and the present-day Orlando Magic, to name two — have shown that a team can push the tempo while still playing the type of tough defense that the playoffs are known for.
D’Antoni has not improved the Knicks’ defense but his roster lacks a bona fide big man who can guard the paint and protect the rim. Jared Jeffries, the team’s best defensive player, was traded in a cap-clearing move and Darko Milicic, a good shotblocker, rarely got on the court before he was traded away. David Lee is the team’s starting center.
Nonetheless, D’Antoni’s focus still seems to be on adding players who can put points on the board.
“You need playmakers,” D’Antoni said. “You need guys that can shoot the ball and score. You can do it from the point guard, but you can do it from other than that.”
D’Antoni smiled when asked if LeBron James could fill this playmaking role.
Read more: http://realgm.net/src_wiretap_archives/65424/20100318/dantoni_thinks_his_system_and_defense_are_compatible/#ixzz0iY7MSfNm
I think 7SOL and defense are compatible.
SVG did a very good job in Orlando, but of course having Dwight Howard helps.
Mike D’Antoni desperately needs to demand more effort from his players on the defensive end – the fact that Jordan Hill couldn’t play despite David Lee’s lack of defense is absolutely ridiculous. Interior defense has always been his Achille’s heel anyways IMO. Thank God Sergio Rodriguez doesn’t play anymore because the PG version of Avi.
*he’s
7SOL + 7POL is not compatible with defense. Especially by the time the postseason rolls around.
I think he could find a way to make it work.
David Lee’s lack of defense is not the product of Mike D’Antoni’s system – but the fact that Mike D’Antoni doesn’t bench him when he doesn’t want to play D!
I think Mike D’Antoni needs to demand more effort (individually) from a defensive standpoint. I mean the Orlando Magic play well on both ends of the court, I don’t think Mike D’Antoni’s system is a problem. What he expects from his players is.
That’s just it Mucha, with him it’s either all or nothing. He plays 6 players 30-35 mins and the other player (or two on a good night) share the crumbs with that 7th or 8th player getting 5-6 mins. Once a guy falls out of the rotation they’re usually forgotten.
You can’t maintain a run and gun style while playing disciplined, tough defense at the other end of the floor that way for 82 games, without players either breaking down or becoming lazy on the defensive end to conserve energy for offense.
Also, your 9th and 10th man don’t get that valuable game-time experience and confidence, which can make them useful in the playoffs.
That’s why I always talk about depth. If this guy really wanted to win, he’d have a 8-9 man rotation so he can play his Nellie ball and at the same time practice a disciplined and intense D, which is something he cares not for.
This is what real NBA stars do.
And this is (one of the reasons) why Chris Bosh is better than the new Dave DeBusschere.
Great play.
DeBusschere would eat Lee’s lunch and take his butter crunch cookies.
No doubt.
Max, max, baby.