Has Douglas’ Play Put the Jennings Debate to Rest?

Jennings ceiling is higher. I’m not even sure how high that ceiling is, but its definitely elite. I like Douglas but his ceiling could be a very good 6th man combo guard. I would definitely rather Jennings. But what would have been so wrong with drafting Jennings AND Douglas? PG depth will be non-existent next year, soooo i think this shouldn’t have necessarily been a one or the other choice.

Again, its just so tough to say whether Douglas is our pg of the future with all his play basically coming in garbage time of this season when none of our games mattered anymore. Maybe we would know some more if he got to play meaningful minutes in important games….

As for jennings, he deserves a lot of credit. Even though his stats have been far less than impressive for a while, he is an important part of a team that has taken it to the next level with him. He definitely projects to have a brighter future than Douglas. Anyway, im not sure its really about Jennings..Its more about the Hill pick and how he could barely play and was then given up on too early and traded at an extremely low value. That was where the real problem came into play in my opinion.

Jennings was exposed early to the competition where TD got barely any run. I like both and its kinda early to tell, they both seem not to be afraid to fail. Jennings is more of point guard/distributor and TD is more a guard what Clyde likes to say he was back in the day “a guard”

If LBJ came to the Knicks, TD is more the type of guard needed as opposed to Brandon becuse LBJ is a ball dominator who draws doubles so he can kick it out and I think TD shoots better than Brandon

Still appears Jennings should have been pick since Hill was booted out

I love Douglas’ game and potential but i feel Jennings is a better fit for the offensive system the Knicks are trying to run. He can handle the ball, distribute it and score at a lightning quick pace. He would have been just what D’Antoni ordered. Don’t understand why Walsh couldn’t see it.

with 20/20 hindsight you had to take Jennings.

Douglas was there late in the first.. u could have taken him as well and used him as the first guard off the bench..

then looked for banger who doesnt need to be part of the offense in the second round.

Budinger went 44th.. i was screaming for him..

Dozier from Memphis was one of those long athletic freaks who was a little old coming in and skinny .. ended up signing in Greece when he was picked last in the 2nd round.

Or maybe the “coach” should have played Darko regardless of his issues with him.

“If LBJ came to the Knicks, TD is more the type of guard needed as opposed to Brandon becuse LBJ is a ball dominator who draws doubles so he can kick it out and I think TD shoots better than Brandon”

i agree with this…i think management would too.

I think ultimately the Knicks knew they may have to part with one of the picks in order to move JJ’s contract.

It is obviously too early to tell but the Knicks should’ve drafted Brandon Jennings in my opinion.

I wonder how Brandon Jennings would play under Mike D’Antoni but I believe that Scott Skiles was tailor-made for him. Even though he’s a coachable kid I think Scott Skiles has done a great job with him this season.

We also need to take into consideration the fact that the Knicks needed to develop Danilo Gallinari’s game – Brandon Jennings has pretty much been given carte blanche in Milwaukee. I don’t think this would’ve been possible in NY.

And imagine Larry Hughes and Nate Robinson mentoring this kid lol. Yes, the Knicks should’ve drafted Brandon Jennings but Milwaukee was just a perfect fit in my opinion.

But what would have been so wrong with drafting Jennings AND Douglas? PG depth will be non-existent next year, soooo i think this shouldn’t have necessarily been a one or the other choice.

good thought.

as far as jennings, is his ceiling paul or D-will? to me no, not judging by his frame.

“Again, its just so tough to say whether Douglas is our pg of the future with all his play basically coming in garbage time of this season when none of our games mattered anymore. Maybe we would know some more if he got to play meaningful minutes in important games….”

I disagree. Obviously the games don’t matter when you play against the Clippers or the Warriors (well they do – to a certain extent – in my opinion) but the Nuggets were fighting for home-court advantage.

I wasn’t sold on Douglas – but he’s proving me wrong. We’ll see if he can be consistent.

I know. I don’t want to disregard everything he does now, because a lot of his great play has come against teams who need to win and are playing as hard as they can. But at the same time, on the Knicks end a lot of the pressure is off now that they are essentially out of playoff contention. It makes it much easier for players like Gallo and Douglas to play looser, but at least Gallo showed earlier in the year that maybe what he is doing now isn’t such a stretch. Doug didn’t really have that chance thanks to our coach and his ridiculous love affair with Chris Duhon.

“We also need to take into consideration the fact that the Knicks needed to develop Danilo Gallinari’s game – Brandon Jennings has pretty much been given carte blanche in Milwaukee. I don’t think this would’ve been possible in NY.”

LOL. 5 words for you. Chris Duhon and Al Harrington.

Seriously, Jennings wouldn’t have gotten pt anyway because the coach was so in love with Suckhon, and even if he did he would just be a glorified dribble the ball past half-court guy so Al Harrington could SCORE BUCKETS. THE KNICKS: Where player development is ignored so veterans who don’t play defense and have earned a boatload of money and dont’ need anymore can focus on padding their stats instead of playing team ball. Thanks Coach Dantoni.

Yeah Jennings has shown he can impact a teams ability to win. The Bucks would not be that good without him. The Knicks should have drafted him but TD is looking like a nice consolation prize. When I first heard about Jennings I never thought a year later the knicks would be in positionto daft him. I thought he would have went higher. I do think that a player like him is not needed if you have LBJ and the knicks might have LBJ and TD. A defensive pg that can hit open shots is better with Lebron. Im satisfied with TD going foward.

Jennings is faster and has better PG skills…Other than that Toney owns.
It will be interesting to see where they are both at in a couple of years.

I agree but honestly if the knicks drafted Jennings the next pick should have been Blair. They could have used him in the trade for JJ. The Rockets would not have taken TD since the coach wouldn’t play him. I have a feeling Blair would have made the rotation and increased his value.

They will be 2 different types of players but both very good on the pace that they are on .

I wonder where Jennings would be development wise at this point if Michael Redd wouldn’t have gotten hurt? I believe he would have been more of a facilitator and distributor than he is now. As far as i’m concerned he shouldn’t be taking the amount of shots that he does at this stage in his career. He seems to handle the ball so well and see the floor that i think he’d be more effective and efficient as a pass first point. On a different note there seem to be a good amount of centers coming out this year. Any way the Knicks can maneuver and get themselves an, Aldrich, Alabi, Udoh or Whiteside in this years draft? If not how about a Samhan or Parakhouski in the 2nd round. They should be there when the Knicks pick.

i MEANT the knicks might have LBJ and Joe.

{Voice crying in the wind} I’d take Douglas. One thing that comes naturally for some, comes with time for others, and never quite comes for most, is leadership. Douglas has the leadership pedigree, just like Charley Ward did. He can score in bunches, he can scrap with the best of them, and he while he doesn’t do the essential “make players better” on offense (which is generally the standard for the term), HE MAKES PLAYERS BETTER ON DEFENSE!!! My boy David is earning the D’s back in his name since Douglas has been on the floor. Al is banging the boards and playin D. All the young guns are riding the D-train. That’s because although he is not the most talented player on the floor, Douglas sets the tone. Jennings isn’t making his team better, he is doing an excellent job of getting them to do what they do best. Definitely important.

When we bring in two big time scorers to go with Gallo and Will, would Jennings be comfortable averaging 10 and 10 with lockdown D since five guys can’t average 20 pts a night? Douglas would. And if necessary, Douglas could go back to his college days and do 20 and five. He will do what is necessary to make his team win, even if its not using all of his talents every night… that’s what leaders do, set the example and fill in the gaps. Frazier is still our all time best, and Douglas in his rudimentary stage is probably the closest thing to him we’ve had. Scoring, passing, D, and LEADERSHIP. That’s what we need from the point.

I would have said Blair.. But the knees scare me.. and he would have likely NEVER seen any PT.

I dont think it is a good idea to compare TD to ward if you endorsing him as a good player. Back in the day knick fans didn’t like Ward too much. most consider him as a well below average player.

Im content with douglas moving forward, they both do what they do well lol if that makes anysense they are two different types of players but this team needs d in the worst way so i’d stick with douglas, in this system you have to want play d on your own since dantoni doesnt teach it lol, so whatever happens next summer I like douglas as a 6th man or starting will see but I know i want him on the team and he can help in a big way moving forward

Its makes more since too atleast try too move fowrd with him as a starter and promote his recent success than to use precious resources(Eddy’s contract) to get a pg. That would be stupid when it can be used to fill other needs .

I honestly don’t know who i’d compare him to, hes too raw. The guy can’t even drink beer legally yet. But I think he has a natural knack for playing the point guard position and distributing, at 20 years old.
Add 20lbs, and some seasoning and I do think he can put up the 18,10,4 Deron Williams does.

He’s actually ALREADY comparable to D-Will outside of FG% and assists, two stats I think would improve with time.

Funny how people say they would take Anderson V over David Lee because of his defense but they would take Jennings over Douglas.

Let’s see what Jennings says after the playoffs this year when his team gets swept.

And yes, mark that down….the Bucks will get swept.

People say they’d rather Varejao? Watching Lee play D makes me physically ill, but I’d take him over Varejao 100% of the time

Me to Donnie…unfortunately there are bloggers here that think other wise.

Some bloggers think Andy V SHOULD be making more money than David Lee.

Andy V averages $9 million per year and they don’t think Lee should make more than $10 million. LOL

Funny how things work huh?

If the Bucks get swept it wouldn’t be because Jennings is bad and it doesn’t mean that if they had TD they would win . The Bucks are not built to win big in the playoffs infact they weren’t expected to make the playoffs which is a testament to how good Jennings is . I think if TD was playing the way he is playing now from game 1 and starting the knicks would be much better and in the playoff hunt. The next are 1 game under 500 this month and over 500 since TD was starting. Again they are 2 different players in different situations. Don’t compare them.

” And if necessary, Douglas could go back to his college days and do 20 and five.”

20, I’m assuming points and 5 what exactly?

He never averaged more than 3 assists in FIVE years in college.

“Funny how people say they would take Anderson V over David Lee because of his defense but they would take Jennings over Douglas.”

Jennings makes an effort on defense every night, a coach like Skiles would not accept anything less.

_avi_? Not so much.

Therein lies the difference.

Lee has actaully been playing good D as of lately . Check the game log . He has been getting more blocks this month. his scoring numbers are down but if you watch the games he has been giving effort. He did a good jog against Nene. It might be coincidence but TD playing more seems to affect the team .

I don’t know if Jennings is faster. He wasn’t at the draft combine but Toney Douglas was first in the 3/4 court sprint. And 5th in lane agility, behind Darren Collison and Beaubois and a couple of other guys I haven’t heard of. Maybe Jennings is faster, but I doubt it.

Douglas also bench pressed better than any other guard prospect. Douglas’ hops aren’t great but does that matter?

Also, I don’t understand why defense is not considered a ‘PG skill’….

The Bucks are 3 games ahead of the Miami Heat in the loss column and hold the FIFTH seed in the playoffs. Who in their right mind though they would be even fighting for a seed in the 9th spot at this point in the season?

Ward and Childs were not flashy but they usually got the better of all the ‘name’ point guards. What they lacked in offensive firepower they made up for with defense. I liked both of those guys even when a lot of fans were clamoring for the Knicks to get someone like Stephon Marbury.

But I think Douglas is more of a leader and more of an assassin offensively than Ward.

Assists aren’t everything when it comes to a point guard. Chauncey Billups isn’t a huge assist guy, but Marbury was. Who would you rather have running your team?

“Jennings makes an effort on defense every night, a coach like Skiles would not accept anything less.”

I watch the Bucks games (not saying you don’t) because I love Boguts game and Jennings does not make an effort on defense at all. He gets posted up until he gets into foul trouble or until Skiles can’t take it anymore. When Jennings shot is not falling he is pretty much useless. He’ll have some good assists but he is to inconsistent right now. I can name you 15 – 20 NBA teams that he would be coming off the bench on.

Jennings has the potential to be more like Marbury than a CP3 or D. Williams.

can’t judge Toney definitively based on these garbage time games. he’s looked good, but B.Jennings has been doing it from the start. Now if Toney had been playing good since the start of the season and had the Knicks in playoff contention at least, then i would be content.

“Who in their right mind though they would be even fighting for a seed in the 9th spot at this point in the season?”

Anything is possible in the East.
Outside the top 4 teams….5 – 8 is always up in the air.

Please don’t over look Bogut…he is their MVP.

1) TD is a better fit as an off-guard (next to a guy like LeBron) than Jennings. And hes a better defender. Id rather have TD if i knew LBJ was on his way

2) has we taken Jennings, we wouldn’t have achieved the perfect 2010 goal of the ability to sign 2 max guys… no way Donnie would have made that trade if we had Jennings.
Instead now, we were able to shed Jared Jeffries and still found an awesome PG prospect in the draft. Because of the Rockets trade, I wouldn’t change a thing about our draft now! (except maybe buying a 2nd round pick for Jon Brockman, Dejuan Blair, or Chase Budinger… all 3 of whom I was very high on)

“Frazier is still our all time best, and Douglas in his rudimentary stage is probably the closest thing to him we’ve had. Scoring, passing, D, and LEADERSHIP. That’s what we need from the point.”

My main point was in the summary. Ward was a leader on the football field and the basketball court. When you compare him to the average pro athlete, he had almost no physical gifts. He was a good athlete that got the most out of what he had, but he provided leadership to those around them to get more out of them as a team. Douglas has physical gifts that Ward didn’t have, and he has skills that Ward didn’t have, but he has the leadership skills. Whether you call him a greater Ward or a lesser Frazier, he is a player and a leader.

As far as his not averaging 5 assists in college, when he passed the ball he was taking the ball out of the hands of their best scorer. He had to deal with what his team recruited, because there was no trading for better players. We seen now that he can get 20 and five when he has someone to pass to.

I’m just wondering how he’s going “back to” averaging “20 and five” when he never has.

Where did I say assists were “everything”?

5 is a modest assist total for a starting point guard.

That was a hater statement!! You don’t have him on your team so you wish bad on him in the playoffs??? He WILL be IN the playoffs start there!! Who projected the bucks in the playoffs this year? Nobody!! Bogot having a career year in Jennings rookie year is just coincidence huh? Stop hating on this kid and be mad at your GM who blew a LOTTERY pick! He has the green light to shoot just like MD gave Al & Doo Doo had because there was no other real scoring option in the back court when Redd went down!

Check the post I told you guys TD is Ward 2.0 which is not an insult. Jennings on the other hand is what a PG should be, a ball distributer who can push the rock and set people up perfectly plays the passing lanes on defense and put pressure on the defense with his ability to penetrate. Stop hating the player and start hating the GM!!

If you didn’t notice, Jennings is a 20 year old rookie.

He has to get stronger, like most rookies. He has a good work ethic and I’m sure he’ll be fine next year. He’s been playing all year and there is a scouting report on him,

Toney Douglas has the benefit of not having teams completely knowing what his strengths and weaknesses are. Carmelo Anthony was crowding his left hand (foolish) on that crucial jumpshot he dribbled right and pulled up for to seal the win the other night.

If he can play like Marbury without the locker room issues (which he’s already shown he’s a humble and coachable kid) 20 points and 8 assists I think he’ll have a great career and grow to be a star in the NBA.

Furthermore, I think Jennings enjoys getting his teammates involved and making the sweet pass more than Marbury did.

“Anything is possible in the East.
Outside the top 4 teams….5 – 8 is always up in the air.”

Apparently not. With a superstar “coach” we were pretty much out of the race in February.

I said The Bucks how am I “overlooking” Bogut?

“Who projected the bucks in the playoffs this year? Nobody!!”

And you know this how? Maybe you didn’t have them in the playoffs…I didn’t either but in the East nothing surprises me.

“Bogot having a career year in Jennings rookie year is just coincidence huh?”

It’s called player development…let’s not forget Bogut was the #1 pick in the draft.

“Stop hating on this kid and be mad at your GM who blew a LOTTERY pick!”

Jennings will still get swept….period.

“Jennings on the other hand is what a PG should be, a ball distributer who can push the rock and set people up perfectly plays the passing lanes on defense and put pressure on the defense with his ability to penetrate. ”

CP3 and D. Williams are what a PG should be…Not Jennings.
Jennings will be Marbury all over again.

“Please don’t over look Bogut…he is their MVP.”

I agree, then how come David Lee was an allstar instead of Bogut? Bogut plays both end of the floor and his way better than Lee.

Who Lee the All-Star “snub”?

What a joke.

Hey…. Is this vote the closest ever or what?

Bogut is the better player but Lee has better stats.

LOL

I know you hate Marbury,but Marbury minus the attitude and locker room issues is a star. Hands down.

The kid has a great work ethic, above average court vision, super-fast, fearless, humble and coachable.

No way you can gauge his ceiling as a 20 year old rookie.

The Bucks are the 5th seed in the East if the season ended today.

The Knicks have averaged under 30 wins throughout _avi_’s career.

Then why did Horford originally made it over Lee. Bucks were over 500 also. Bottom line Lee should not have been an Allstar.

I think Tony Parker is Brandon Jennings’ ceiling. The fact that he’s already the 2nd best player on a playoff team is impressive, he really has a bright future.

You’re right.

I think the Bucks were not a playoff team in January. Correct me if I’m wrong.

[...] a post earlier today at the The Knicks Blog, Tommy Dee alluded to the fact that Knicks’ brass may not yet be sold that Toney Douglas is [...]

Here we go!! This is what Knick fans always do. We take a hard working average player and make him a superstar to avoid the reality that this old fart of a GM blew a LOTTERY pick!! Show me the last time you saw a team Trade the guy they picked in the LOTTERY to clear cap space!?!

How is this comparison even fair to TD?? He is not the PG Jennings is and is yet to become!! TD is a hard working under sized SG who is willing to do what he can and must to make his shot in the league successful.

You draft for need & talent and we needed a talented PG!! Jennings has turned Bogot in to the low post force he was drafted to be, and has helped other young players on that team really improve and show what they have. He has the Bucks in the playoffs!! He has coaches game planing for him!! His jumper is getting more consistent and when it is how the hell can he be guarded!?! The kid is 20!!!

Listen to his way of thinking in this article……
http://bucks.realgm.com/articles/66/20100104/jennings_makes_a_mark_in_milwaukee/

TD is great I love his energy and hustle but it is not fair ask “who’s better” when there is no contest! Its like comparing Starks to Pippen! There is no contest, Knick fans should embrace the guy for what he is and stop trying to turn him in to what he is not!

Donnie dummy should of drafted Jennings and could have used that late pick on so many other talented front court projects available to us!!

It is a trick question. If you drafted Jennings instead of Hill, are you then able to trade away Jeffries. So, they question needs to be asked, who would you rather have Jennings, Jeffries, and one max contract, or Douglas and 2 max contracts.

A better passing Tony Parker, yeah I could see that.

I still think it’s hard to say at this point though. I think he is a better shooter than Parker was at this point in his career. He just needs to stay up and down and square up on his jumper and he’ll be a lot more consistent.

I think its a tough question to answer. Does Jennings have more potential the Douglas? Of course. The guy scored 50 points in a game as a rookie! Obviously he has cooled off a lot since then, but he is still a natural passer and has super star potential.

That said, we probably couldn’t have gotten ride of Jeffries if we had drafted Jennings. Douglas is also looking like a pretty good player, and maybe even a quality starting PG if he can develop his passing. Which lineup looks better?

Douglas
McGrady/Walker
LeBron
Gallo/Chandler
Bosh

or

Jennings
Chandler
LeBron
Gallo/Jeffries
Camby

So basically my point is that it depends on what we can do in free agency. If trading Jeffries helped us to get 2 max free agents, then I am happy we took Douglas. If we end up not needing the cap space from the Jeffries trade, then I think passing on Jennings was a bad move. That is why I think it is too early to tell.

dwayne t, you got this one right on. douglas much better for his team oriented, clyde like game. plus, mgmt plan is to bring in big guns come 7/1 and with that a brandon jennings is not expected to be a great fit and you have to believe a pg is part of the plan. plus, if d’an played and promoted toney d. better, he would have had a more complete rookie season. plus, toney d. costs 1/2 brandon j.

Okay quick hypothetical stiuation, but while a Knicks fan I’m not up on the intricate details of basketball (never played, football / baseball guy). Would a trade for CP3 and taking Okafor’s big contract back in exchange for Curry and some picks (our 2nd rounders over the next 2 years) be worth it for us if we could run out a rotation like:

CP3 / TD
Free Agent (Manu / TMac) / Walker / Giddens
Chandler / Walker
Gallo / 2nd rounder or Drew Gooden?
Okafor / Etan Thomas?

I think it gives us a PG that could equal Nash’s stats in this system, but a pretty solid defensive front court that will as least make an effort to get in the way and change a shot. Not to mention a line up of TD / Giddens / Chandler / Gallo / Okafor is a pretty tough defensive unit imo.

I rather have Jennings, JJ’s & EC’s expiring contracts & one max guy if any are really available (only LBJ & Wade fit max criteria) Because you will not need to worry about PG for at least 5 years if not longer. Add to the fact that just as I predicted the cover story of well if we miss this year theres always 2011 lol. Jennings would be ours the FA stuff is speculation and wishful thinking.

I would take Jennings + the 2012 draft pick and the 2011 non-swap + the opportunity to tap James (still enough money to do so + the flexibility to trade Curry’s and Jeffries’ expiring next year in a heartbeat.

Exactly my point!! What if we get this guy what if we get that guy….We draft Jennings and it would not be a what if! There is no way you can tell me that donnie drafted Hill anticipating he would package him with JJ to make cap space?? If that was the case he would of traded JJ and the draft pick to them on draft night!! So the trading of Hill is proof donnie blew the draft and left us with nothing to show with LOTTERY pick! Ask yourself this would you have traded the pick on draft night for Joe Johnson? I know I would have not!!

Eddy Curry’s expiring contract wouldn’t be enough for Chris Paul and Emeka Okafor. The Hornets would be interested in Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari + Eddy Curry’s contract – but I don’t think the Knicks would pull the trigger, especially before the LeBron sweepstakes. If Donnie Walsh is willing to trade both Chandler and Gallinari + Curry for Paul and Okafor, he’ll do it after the Knicks sign ONE marquee FA so they will have enough capspace to absorb Okafor’s contract.

Interesting scenario – I can’t see it happening though.

Exactly HaS!!! I see things have gone crazy since I have been away lol. I cant see why Tommy opened this door?? Well then again I do because look at how much more feed back this post is getting then any other lol

Hmmmmm I recall screaming from the blog rafters that the only way for donnie to save face is to do everything in his power to try and get CP3!

Even went as far as putting together the line up showing how the money would be spread out and all of that. But it is nice to see people coming around to realizing while we can wish on a star for what could be the best player in the league we should be working overtime on trying to trade for one of the top 5 players in the league!!

CP3 makes the Knicks a legit landing site for any major FA. What player in the game would not want to play with the best PG in the league. No way do I take Okafor back, rater keep the money flexibility and send them Gallo and if need be Chandler along with the EC expiring contract. There bleeding money over there so offering 2 good young talents who play positions they need now and will need when they move West. we will be taking 16 mil of there books! giving them high value in Gallo & Chandler along with freed up money is a steal for them in the long run because Gallo & Chandler are cheep as is there young stud PG, there going to have a good pick this year and there SG stud is cheep as well. They will have at least 30 mil freed up with EC & Paja coming off there books and a young profitable team which is just what they need.

And we get the superstar PG NY has always needed to rebuild around with or without LBJ.

I was just wondering because I know it would be hard to convince their fan base but, their cap number next season is well over cap and I believe I read that they need to get under the luxury tax because it’s too much for the owner, mainly because the market isn’t ideal.

http://www.sportscity.com/NBA/New-Orleans-Hornets-Salaries

In my mind I’m thinking Bosh to Mia, Boozer to Chi, Lebron stays put, Joe gets overpayed somewhere else (NJ maybe), and Amare goes somewhere stupid like Sacramento and Wade stays put.

Show me one preseason playoff projection or power ranking where the Bucks where near relevant!!

Yea he was a #1 draft pick who was just kind of okay until a rookie PG came along to help elevate his game!!

“And you know this how? Maybe you didn’t have them in the playoffs…I didn’t either but in the East nothing surprises me.”

But yet you say…

“Jennings will still get swept….period.”

Lol the real hate in you comes through in you in that statement because you say “Jennings will still get swept….period.” not the Bucks! lol It is okay to be mad at donnie DVJ let it out let him know how while you believe he is good that he screwed up big time here! lol

+1……I am glad you can see the writing on the wall my friend lets just hope the Alzheimer meds kick in soon so donnie can see it as well!!

Yeah they are definitely not a good position financially – we’ll see where the big dogs sign this summer, I can’t even make a prediction.

No way I give up Chandler and Gallo. If we bring back Okafor for Curry’s contract alone and take that huge hit we still have some cap room, Okafor and Curry both make 11 mil next season and CP3 would constitute one of our possible 2 max contracts. That leaves you with some flexibility (granted not as much if you don’t take back Okafor’s albatross of a contract) but enough to sign a 2nd tier guy while giving you a legit Center with defensive ability, a proven leader and top 5 player in the league at pg and maybe Chandler or Gallo ( If we take Okafor back no way they get both of them). I’ve read this blog daily all season long to get the fans POV on the games since all I get to see is box scores unless they are playing the magic or heat ( big thanks to big C for all the highlights) and its the same problems after every loss….No interior D, no rebounding, no PG ball movement and no leadership on either end. I admittedly don’t watch much Hornets basketball nor did Okafor really stand out to me for Charlotte, but he seems like a lunchpail defender a presence we havent seen since the likes of Oak / Ewing and company.

What happened to the New York City point guard?

http://hypebeast.com/2010/03/converse-spark-york-city-shammgod/

Okafor is a hard nosed guy no question but injury pron since college and is undersized. The reason for sending EC contract is to balance out CP3′s huge contract. CP3 & Okafor add up to about 30 mil together and if you over pay for Joe Johnson or one of those forwards (Bosh will demand max) that would be about 47 mil that leaves you with so guessing that the cap will be 53 mil that leaves you about 6 mil left! So how do we build the team? Hope you see my point here, I am all for CP3 and starting from scratch from the PG up but Okafor will kind of put us back in the box we just tried to get out of.

I met Shammgod a few times in the BX sometimes people lose focus and waste talent!

jennings is already a polished P.G that will get better at it.
T-DOUG is a better scorer an a better defensive player

jennings has the big edge on the p.g skills
but DOUG has everything else.

Wrong.

Wilson Chandler will be a RFA next summer so they’ll have to resign him (at least $8 mill IMO) or let him leave for nothing. Chandler’s new contract plus Gallinari’s annual raises = At least $11 million.

If the Hornets trade Paul Okafor will be included.

he a kool dude
i thought he was gonna do something in the nba with the wiz.

2bad he couldn’t beat me 1on1

yo black how is your boy DONNIE ALZY doing?

Would I have traded the 1st round pick for Joe Johnson? No. Would I have traded the first round pick and Jeffries for Joe Johnson? No doubt.

Its way too earlier to evaluate any of the players involved. Lets just see what our roster looks like next year, and how Douglas, Jennings, and Hill develop. Then we can make that call.

Ah, see were on 2 different levels there. I don’t see us signing one of the big FA’s. I agree Bosh wants a max and he obviously wants to win. The chance to head to Mia and play with Wade/ Beasley and Arroyo /Chalmers seems a little more enticing to him probably then coming here with just TD / Gallo/ Wilson. If you don’t trade for a center then were banking on Brendan Haywood leaving Dallas (yeah…ok…thats gonna happen, have you seen the amenities Cuban provides for them, not to mention Dirk, Caron and Kid) or Camby taking a a cheap short contract from a team that shoved him out the door after he was the heart of the teams run thru the playoffs and trip to the finals (p.s. Dolan’s still a stubborn tool who doesn’t like to look bad on his decisisions, see..Isaih Thomas) or who else…Big Z? One of our 2nd round picks? Jamaal Magloire, Jermaine O’Neal, Brian Skinner? Ben Wallace if he doesn’t receive a better chance somewhere else possibly for more money. Etan Thomas or Pryzbilla? Big question marks and Camby and Heywood are on good teams that they start for…are we really going to offer them more than what Portland or Dallas will offer to keep them? IDK i’m just not as sold on trusting the allure of the Mecca as much as I am sure that these Centers are neither A) going to sign without a star inked B) anything close to a long term solution.

Wrong in regards to what? I’m not sure what you mean here? If you’re saying we trade Wilson then him getting 8 mill means nothing to us anyways or they let him leave for nothing other then cap relief. If they send Okafor and Paul our way and we still somehow keep Chandler and Gallo we will be at 42 mill (Emeka, CP3, Wilson, Gallo and TD on the books) that of course is not including our 2nd round picks from this year, so that would put us at what 45? We’d have between 5 and 8 mill to fill out the roster which with D’antonis short rotation its not such a big deal, and Gallo’s bird rights so we can resign him with nothing but luxury tax penalties. That would give you a solid core for the next 3-4 years. And I agree if they trade Paul they’re going to push Okafor on a team.

But this is just an idea I had that I wanted to kick around I’m not saying this is what we should do, it’s all a crapshoot from here on out. Just really like the idea of CP3 coming here and if it means adding a defensive minded Center with a huge contract its better then Curry’s contract sitting on the bench imo.

Would you have traded Jeffries, the 1st round pick, swap 2011 and 2012′s 1st round pick for Joe Johnson?

Isn’t there a 2nd rounder thrown in there too?

I know it was originally rumored to be part of that deal.

COME ON. THis debate stops at records. The bucks get jennings they are the 5th seed the Knicks draft douglass and he cant get off the freaking bench till late in the year. If Scott Skiles believed Jennings was not ready he would not play him. This debate is so stupid!! Jennings was a MAC All American. His skill level, talent, and ceiling far surpass douglass. Douglass at this point could be a nice starter in this league like a charlie ward at worse and a bibby at best but Jennings has the skill set to be the next Nash, Kidd, or Payton. The potential is vast. Now will JEnnings live up to that I think he has proven this year that he is on his way, but who knows. But as far as talent and potential there is no question the Knicks messed up BIG TIME and drafting Douglass does not make up for it. Its like saying that you can make up for not drafting KObe with drafting Artest. Artest is good and maybe an allstar on a good night but his talent is far surpassed by Kobe. You just cannot pass on potential generational type players YOU JUST DONT!! and the Knicks are the MASTERS at doing this. Imagine the Knicks Had LOPEZ AND JENNINGS on this team LEbron coming to NY would be a LOCK.! ANd these are just the mistakes of the past two years lets not even get into the past 15 years of draft BUSTS.

The Hornets traded Tyson Chandler (expiring contract in 2010-2011 like Eddy Curry) for Emeka Okafor a couple months ago. And now they are going to dump Emeka Okafor PLUS CHRIS PAUL for Eddy Curry whose contract is similar to Chandler’s???

It doesn’t make sense man, they will not lose Chris Paul (All-NBA 1st team 2 years ago) for Eddy Curry’s expiring contract – they already had Tyson Chandler!

Peace.

Brandon Jennings is a better passer. Period. It isn’t even close and I love Douglas’ game.

I don’t see how a pure point guard wouldn’t be a “great fit” if the “plan is to bring in big guns”, that would just give him more options on the fast break or in the halfcourt offense.

He is chillin, he is with the nurse eating baby food & watching Mr.Magoo on TV lol