Walsh Prefers Lee Over Bosh?

by Tommy Dee on March 28th, 2010 at 10:08 am

Via CBSsportsline

“…Sources say that the Knicks’ likely fallback option if they don’t get LeBron is Atlanta’s Joe Johnson – but that strategy comes with a caveat. On one hand, Donnie Walsh is too smart to overpay for a player like Johnson who probably isn’t quite deserving of the max. Then again, the Hawks will pay Johnson the max to stay, so if anybody else wants him, the max is what it will take. Johnson said recently that he’d sacrifice to pair up with another elite player, meaning he’d take less than the max. But there’s no reason for him to take less under any other circumstance.

• For similar reasons, Walsh will have to decide whether Chris Bosh is worthy of a max deal if he strikes out on LeBron. Sources familiar with Walsh’s thinking are convinced that he does not regard Bosh as being on the same level as James and Wade, who will be the only two clear-cut max players on the market. “That’s the fallacy with the max,” one prominent agent said. “It allows you to buy Chris Bosh for the same price as LeBron James.” In fact, another person familiar with Walsh’s strategy said if it came down to deciding whether to keep David Lee or sign Bosh to a max deal, Walsh would choose Lee. “There are questions about whether Bosh is the kind of player who can carry a team by himself,” the person said. “He certainly hasn’t done it in Toronto…”

Several things here. One, everyone knows the “myth” of Bosh being a max player. Bosh is riding Olympic momentum. As he relates to Wade and Lebron, he is less than a max player. I don’t love the idea of Bosh and Johnson, myself. I’d add more pieces this summer and set my sites on 2011. They can be a playoff team next year if the roster is tweaked and more talent is added. I’d sign one of them, for a potential partnership when the team finally gets rid of Eddy Curry, aka the last remaining reminder of the Isiah Era.

On the Lee front, it’s a simple answer when you talk about Lee and the Knicks. As Walsh would say it’s about “the number.” Common sense tells you that if the team strikes out with James and Wade, they don’t want to overspend. Yet, I’m not sold, based on who I’ ve talked to, that Walsh prefers Lee over Bosh. Bosh is a better player. The idea that they could have done nothing and waited until next year is valid, but we’re talking about rebuilding a franchise. Walsh knew James and Wade weren’t signing extensions and they’d have the chance to sit down in July. You do whatever it takes to make that happen.

They can give both whatever they want.

After that the team will still have options, and should keep the door open in terms of flexibility.

  • TobyKnight

    This makes sense, but is disappointing. It makes sense to not overspend and instead try to improve the team through trades with teams looking for cap space and with the potential signing of Melo in 2011. I still believe that we need to go for broke and try to get LBJ, but if we don’t then trading all of our player to play for 2011 doesn’t pay off. We could have kept Crawford and Jeffries and Hill and then had incredible cap space in 2011. We also would have ZEBO, who would have been an asset, both as a player and as a trade chip in 2011.

    Let’s just hope we get LBJ or Kobe suddenly has a NY state of mind.

  • Hydr0

    I wouldn’t have made the trade that gave up so much for Jared Jeffries only to be able to sign a player like like one year earlier. The trade goes down as a failure if we sign Lee without LBJ or Wade.

    One another note, I would be happy with Bosh and Johnson this summer…both are great players i know Johson is 30, but what is bosh 26? Bosh can still devolop as a player…I think Lee has hit his ceiling…I’d like to see what Lee’s numbers would be without D’antoni running the offense through him.

  • Hydr0

    like like s/b like lee

  • itzyung1

    He prefers Lee at 12 million than Bosh at the Max… Makes sense but Lee over Bosh period? lost your mind.

  • the oak

    This is OT but…
    Has anyone noticed Marc Berman from the Post has an obvious negative slant on the Knicks. I’m all for fair coverage and the Knicks deserve a lot of criticism but to me it is so obvious he loves to see the knicks fail.

    Never fails to mention something negative and routinely brings up Marbury in any way to make the Knicks look bad.

    It really is incredible. Does he have any public grudge with MD, Walsh, Dolan, or anyone else? What is he going to do next year when we are good?

  • manners

    Man this has been posted before let’s just wait for seasons end to start the gossip mill. No one knows what Walsh is thinking. I don’t believe anyone claiming to be source who says they know that Walsh prefers anyone over another. It’s still to early for those player evaluational thoughts.

  • joetheknick

    Bosh is a big who gives you scoring, rebounding and defense. Lee gives you scoring, rebounding, passing but no real defense. Would a combination of Bosh and Lee up front help with the Knicks team defense. Assuming the answer is yes, then Walsh sould do his best to sign them both. Gallo is the third big. Chandler is the sixth man. Curry’s expiring contract gets us an upgrade at the guard position. This all presupposes that Lebron and Dwyane do not choose to come to New York. Your thoughts

  • dbruno

    Man Knicks fans are gonna go nuts if all Walsh comes away with only Lee and complimentary players this summer. I don’t think any of us wanna settle for mediocrity anymore. I could wait another year for as long as it meant we were nearly 100% sure we were getting Melo.

    Is it possible to trade for CP3 next season? He sure can carry a team by himself. Correct me if I’m wrong here, but is an RFA in 2011 right?

    New Orleans needs to cut its salary and Collison (it would’ve been nice if Donnie drafted him huh?) seems to be more than capable taking the helm for the Hornets. Something along the lines of Curry, 1st rd pick plus filler?

    Is this a possibility in 2011? If so, sign me up.

    pg Paul
    sg Chandler
    sf Melo/ Gallo
    pf Lee/ Gallo
    C Camby

  • JaymanJD

    IS EVERYONE READY FOR A FULL KNICKS BACKTRACK get ready set GO!! Does everyone see whats happening here. Now its not about next year its about 2011 hmm so we have to wait another year. Funny. If Lee is the back up plan Walsh has failed the Fans and just because he is sends signals early that he would do that does not make it alright. Why is everyone else part of the problem with this team but Not Lee. Lee has done just as much losing as anyone else. AND GUESS WHAT TOMMY! LEE IS PART OF THE ISIAH ERA TOO HE DRAFTED HIM!! STOP CONVIENTLY FORGETING THAT!! This team needs a complete overhual with few exceptions. GALLO and maybe TOney are the only players worth keeping around. Everyone else has too much lossing in their blood. Lee could not carry this team for 4 years but all of a sudden will give him more money and he will be able too GET REAL. A back up plan is not signing LEE its Signing Gay or Boozer or Camby some fresh WINNING Blood that could create a solid foundation. If CURRY gets blamed LEE does TOO. HE DOES NOT GET A PASS. Oh but lee gets a double-double! Who CARES Marbury averaged 20 and 8 for much of his career, Zach Randolph 18 and 10. I Want Winners.

  • BiggieSmalls

    Doesnt matter what Walsh is thinking..

    Joe Johnson isnt coming here to be paired with Daivd Lee when he has Horford and a better supporting cast in ATL.. Lee and JJ is a fail.

    Bosh isnt coming here to be the 1A player with no one else. getting Bosh alone is a marginal pass.– grade C.

    Bosh and Joe Johnson at less than the max each would be an OK fall back. grade B

    Anthing involving Lee (except if he takes 8 mil to play with LBJ or Wade) would be a fail.

    Lebron is an A+, Wade alone is a B-

    Anything else that doesnt include a superstar in a trade is a Fail.

  • DatNewYorker

    If he gives Lee 12 million next year I will NOT be watching the Knicks next year. I would rather wait until the Nets become a NY team and become a NET fan.

  • BiggieSmalls

    Bosh brngs passinga s well.

    Anything involving Lee does not improve the defense.

    Lee’s stats are hollow on epic proportions.

  • Chris Alvino

    Truthfully, I would take Bosh at the max before dishing out 12 million for Lee.

    I have not been the biggest Bosh fan in large part due to the fact that he has not really lead Toronto to anything since he has been there. But when you factor in how truly good he is compared to Lee, I think you have to overspend to get him before overspending to keep Lee.

  • BiggieSmalls

    CP3 is signed through 2012/13 when he has a player option for like 18 mil..

  • dbruno

    my apologies

  • itzyung1

    On second thought…If you played on Team USA you deserve a MAX contract…

  • BigDaddybluesman

    Exactly.

  • BiggieSmalls

    no need to apoligize..
    In answer to your quesiton Yes, I think it is possible to trade for CP3 but we’d have to take at least another long contract back and give up Gallo ..

    I’d do it..

    Curry, Gallo and Lee@11 mil for CP3 and Okafor.

  • steiker9

    Totally agree, if this team’s ambition is to reach the top of the NBA then we need to get rid off Lee. I respect D Lee but he is not even in the same class as Chris Bosh. Did you guys watch Bosh in the olympics, David Lee could have never looked that good around such great players. David Lee thanks for all the effort you put in NY but see ya…. I would be so disappointed if we resigned Lee at any price. I don’t want Lee at forward I want a beast (Amare or Bosh), isn’t that why we tanked the last 2 seasons.

  • DatNewYorker

    I agree with this statement.

    “Walsh knew James and Wade weren’t signing extensions and they’d have the chance to sit down in July. You do whatever it takes to make that happen.”

    Walsh did what he had to do to be able to have a conversation with Lebron, Wade, and Bosh. That is MAJOR. Just to be able to speak with all of them is an amazing accomplishment for the KNICKS. The fans don’t understand that we have not had a superstar on this team since Patrick Ewing.

    Now, about this David Lee nonsense. I would like to reply to this statement:

    In fact, another person familiar with Walsh’s strategy said if it came down to deciding whether to keep David Lee or sign Bosh to a max deal, Walsh would choose Lee. “There are questions about whether Bosh is the kind of player who can carry a team by himself,” the person said. “He certainly hasn’t done it in Toronto…”

    If you can’t convince Lebron or Wade to come here then you give Bosh a MAX contract because he is the TWO of the ONE TWO punch you need to win a championship. For example Magic and Kareem, Jordan and Pippen, Kobe and Shaq, Wade and Shaq. David Lee is not and will never be part of a ONE TWO PUNCH to win a championship. David is a third option and a very good role player. We can always chase the ONE when Carmelo and Chris Paul are Free Agents.

    Off the subject, I watched Portland last night and Camby looked very good.

  • joetheknick

    Should Lebron and Dwayne decide against the Knicks, what signings or trades give you a “pass” in your opinion. I see all your “fails” I agree with Chris that Bosh and Lee would improve the front line. I know you do not agree.

  • Dylan

    NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!
    We can NOT bring back David Lee, especially not for 12 million. He does NOT fit the system. He does NOT have a position. And he does NOT play defense. I would much rather give Bosh 16! Gallo is our PF. We need a center!

  • HaS

    “What is he going to do next year when we are good?”

    LOL It is starting to sound more and more like he won’t have worry about that. resigning Lee? He’ll have material for another 6 years. Greek tragedy. Or is it Comedy?

  • joetheknick

    I agree that signing Bosh and Lee would be an upgrade. If you let Lee go with whom do you replace him. Finding a true center is an upgrade . But finding a center who defends but has no offense or a center with offense who plays no defense is not an upgrade. Do you look to a project like Jason Thompson and hope he becomes a star? You know what you are getting with Lee?

  • Dylan

    I would be thrilled if we ended up getting Bosh and Johnson. I think that would be a successful summer. I would even be fine if we only got Bosh. Then we could wait another year and try and get Melo. The only guys that we cannot sign are Lee and Boozer. The ONLY way I will be OK with it is if LeBron asks for one of them. Otherwise, no chance!

  • bb_dot

    I much rather give Bosh a max contract than JJ. I also agree that if you shell out 12mill for Lee you may as well add a few more to get Bosh. He brings so much more to the table than Lee. As someone pointed out, Bosh was really outstanding during the Olympics and also at this year’s All Star game, when Lee looked like a fool. But then again it cannot be argued that Bosh failed to deliver in Toronto, maybe he needs the spotlights to shine?

  • joetheknick

    Who is the center we need?

  • Dylan

    Chris Bosh could play center for us. If we can’t get him though I would be fine with Camby.

  • Dylan

    I agree that Bosh should be the pick. Shaq couldn’t lead a team to a championship by himself. He always had Kobe, Wade, and now LeBron. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t a GREAT player for the Lakers. Bottom line, there are only a handful of players that are capable of leading a team to a championship. Bosh is a very good 1a player.

  • DatNewYorker

    Bosh, Camby and joe Johnson is a succesful summer. Bosh does not want to play center every night. It will shorten his career. Bosh and Camby would be a very good front court. We finally wil see some defense again in NY.

  • HaS

    Lee AND Chandler are both “reminders” of the “Isaiah Era”.

  • dino2008

    when chris bosh’s knees fall apart, you all will be crying for the durable david lee. if you listen to the knicks blog radio, anthony “rice balls” has said that he knows someone in the raptos organization who said that they are VERY worried about bosh’s knees. I am for the bosh signing ONLY if that is what it takes to get LBJ or joe johnson or wade here, but if his knees blow up we are done for another 5 years…. just something to think about. Keep David Lee!

  • bb_dot

    yep. the more I think about it the more I like getting Bosh even if it means max. Clearly he is not in the same league as LeBron, Melo and Wade, but he has a lot of weapons. He can post up, he can drive (a little), he has a very good mid-range jumper, he pulls down rebounds and defends. Lee is a P&R guy period. If the Knicks would be a playoff team and other teams would double on Lee, he would become completely useless..

  • DVJ

    No way Gallo goes for Paul.

    I’m not saying your wrong, I’m just saying Walsh would never do that.

    Gallo isn’t going anywhere. He’ll probably retire a Knick.
    Once he gets to his 7th year (i think or 10th) with us….he’ll get that no trade clause in his contract and then he can retire a Knick.

    Hallelujah.

  • HaS

    “Should Lebron and Dwayne decide against the Knicks, what signings or trades give you a “pass” in your opinion. I see all your “fails” ”

    “getting Bosh alone is a marginal pass.– grade C.”

    “Bosh and Joe Johnson at less than the max each would be an OK fall back. grade B”

    When I was in school B’s and C’s were passing grades. I didn’t get a lot of C’s thankfully. 8)

    “Chris that Bosh and Lee would improve the front line. I know you do not agree.”

    Chandler, Lee and Bosh is a very small lineup. It’s an upgrade because you’re adding an Olympian and a legitimate All-Star talent, but they would still be overmatched against the bigger teams, which happen to be the better teams in the NBA right now. Cavs (when healthy), Magic, Celtics, Lakers and Denver (when healthy).

  • DatNewYorker

    You can go go buy yourself a David Lee action figure if you want to keep him so bad. I’ll take my chances on Bosh and his bad knees. Lebron or Wade does not want to play with David Lee on the defensive side of the ball. David Lee plays the PF/C poition and those two positions are very important if you want to protect the paint. David Lee is SOFT.

  • zdiddy

    We wasted all those draft pick (Isiah type trade with Rockets), trade Crawford and Zack to resign Lee…..This would be a monumental disaster that we will all live to regret. First thing, Zack is better than Lee. If we kept ZBO, all those pick and Jeffries, we would be a playoff team this year, which would be great without our #1 draft pick.

    Lee will not be able to defend most PF next year. Imagine Lee gaurding Dirk, Green(OKC), Zack, Bosh, Boozer, Griffin(LAC), Gasol, Smith(ATL), Duncan, Amare, Garnett, David West, Aldridge (POR), Lewis(ORL), Jamison, to name a few. Lee would probably have a more difficult time defensively at PF than Center. Moreso, it would be more difficult for him to score.

    I say thank you for all you have done for the Knicks and all the best in NJ. You are a very improve player but at best you are a 3rd or 4th option and a championship team. The $7mill we gave him this year is close to Lee is value and maybe $8mill is the most I would pay. How can we pay Lee more than David West ($8 mill next season).

  • Dylan

    Locking up Bosh right away would also make it easier for us to lure LeBron to NY. LeBron has said that if there is one player in the NBA that he would like to play with, its Bosh. LeBron also says that he wants to win, and if we get Bosh he would have a better chance to win in NY then he would in Cleveland.

  • Mucha

    Good post.

    I’d be fine with :

    1. LeBron + Whoever (Lee included)
    2. Wade + Whoever (Lee included)
    3. Bosh + Johnson or Gay

    I still don’t really know what I’d do if the Knicks must settle Stoudemire/Lee + Johnson/Gay + Quality role player but I think the Knicks must improve talent-wise regardless, I’d probably sign two players regardless but – as a fan – I’d be really disappointed.

  • joetheknick

    So how do you fix this team to make it competitive with the “better teams” Lot of criticism but little that is constructive.

  • HaS

    Injuries are a part of the game.

    I’m not a big fan of Bosh, but he is a legitimate All-Star talent and an Olympian, it would be alot easier to get other players to come play with him (I still doubt Bosh signs here alone in the 1st place though) than it is to convince a star to come play with career loser _avi_.

    I for one will never be caught “crying for the durable david lee”.

  • HaS

    “You can go go buy yourself a David Lee action figure if you want to keep him so bad.”

    *dead*

  • HaS

    Reading is fundamental.

  • zdiddy

    Lee or Bosh is not even an argument…..Bosh at max is better than Lee at $10 mill or above. When have we ever seen a team double-team Lee? Which would by the way, leave Gallo or someone open for a shot. Lee needs another player to allow him to score, he cannot create his own shot. The dude is a good role player and that is his peak. This coach allowed Lee to flourish offensively at the expense of Gallo and Chandler. For most of this season it was all about Lee and Duhon in the PnR.

    Please no Lee in 2010!!

  • HaS

    “No way Gallo goes for Paul.

    I’m not saying your wrong, I’m just saying Walsh would never do that.”

    Let us hope Walsh isn’t as dumb as you apparently think he is.

  • HaS

    I mean seriously, you’re a self-proclaimed “genius” of basketball right?

    What are the hardest positions to fill in basketball?

    Chris Paul is arguably the BEST POINT GUARD in the NBA. Point guards make marginal players look like stars. If you have the chance to add an All-NBA level point guard, you do it. Period.

  • joetheknick

    Dylan would settle for Bosh, Johson and Camby. Few want Lee resigned but no one else seems to have a plan for filling the center position. Most agree that Bosh is a PG and not a center. Camby is a 35 year old center. Any other ideas? Trade Curry for Okafor?

  • http://tharealestproductionz.blogspot.com/ DaGawD_KnowLedge

    Z-BO OVER BOTH

  • http://tharealestproductionz.blogspot.com/ DaGawD_KnowLedge

    2011 should be about durant
    not melo
    melo can score but he’s not a overall leader he’s another dude that needs to play with another star.
    another overrated player in the nba..

  • HaS

    “Chris Bosh could play center for _’antoni.”

    fixed.

  • HaS

    Personally I think if this (playing Center) is proposed to him in the recruiting process he laughs right out of the meeting.

  • TobyKnight

    I’d be happy with either.
    Durant would be awesome, but I think he may be reluctant to leave OC and break up their core. Those guys can go all the way if they get the right center.

  • zdiddy

    I would trade Curry for Okafor….if we are also getting CP3. I love Gallo but I would trade him to get CP3. Curry, Gallo and/or Chandler or Douglas and $3mill for CP3 and Okafor. Line up in 2010:

    PG – CP3/ Sergio
    SG – Chandler/ Walker/Giddeon
    SF – Lebron/Chandler/Walker/ 2nd round pick/ Vets min
    PF – Bosh or Amare or Boozer/ 2nd round pick/ Vets min
    C – Okafor/ 2nd round pick/ Vets min

    Bosh or Amare or Boozer and LBJ would have to take less than the max for first year. Probably would have to be boozer at $10 -$11mill in his first year.

  • Mucha

    Durant will be a RFA.

    The Thunder will match any offer – he’s not going anywhere.

  • Mucha

    You can’t aquire Paul PLUS Okafor and sign two max FA’s.

  • dogmanx23

    Thunder are going to extend Durant this off-season. With the CBA changing in 2011 Durant isn’t going to wait and lose money.

    Melo is another that they are going to extend before the CBA changes.

    I swear these last two years Knicks fans have started thinking like Yankee fans.. You can’t get every superstar out there and they aren’t coming here for the money or because its NY.

  • LBJ2010

    The funniest part about that is Berman loves David Lee.

  • LBJ2010

    Dude, Gallo probably retiring as a Knick? I really like Gallo, but that statement is absurd.

  • DVJ

    “I mean seriously, you’re a self-proclaimed “genius” of basketball right?”

    It doesn’t take a genius to see Paul will not lead the Hornets to the Chip.

    Give me D. Williams over Paul anyday.

  • DVJ

    “Dude, Gallo probably retiring as a Knick? I really like Gallo, but that statement is absurd”

    Why would you think any different?
    What makes that comment so absurd?

  • dogmanx23

    Bosh is better then Lee but not at the max. I think everyone wants Bosh because they believe Bosh = Lebron. If Lebron on July 1st came out and said i want to play with David Lee everyone would want David Lee back.

    The reality is Bosh/Lebron gives us nothing to fill out the roster. Bosh as center would be Lee all over again but 3 inches taller. The guy isn’t a great defender either.

    Zdiddy you got a nice trade idea but its only possible with a Lebron/Lee signing, all that extra cap space could be used to get Paul and Okafor. I’ve thought of that as my dream scenario also.

    I love D.Lee, the guy in 5 years here has improved every year. What’s funny is in 5 years he’s never been the starting PF on this team. He’s been the starting SF, backup PF, and starting center.

    Another reason i’d prefer lee over bosh is lee doesn’t need the ball to score. He doesn’t post up and hold the ball, he doesn’t need an iso to go one on one to score. He gets his points off his teammates setups.

    Bosh is more set up for a slow post up system, i think it’s the reason Toronto isn’t that great with him, they are more of a running team.

    The knicks system is based on ball movement, why do you think we look so good when we move the ball around and we look so bad when turtle fuck goes post up or iso.

  • LBJ2010

    Because he’s 21 years old? I don’t see how you can project ANY player that young to retire with an organization.

  • HaS

    “It doesn’t take a genius to see Paul will not lead the Hornets to the Chip.”

    What does that have to do with what his value to the Knicks as a franchise would be?

    “Give me D. Williams over Paul anyday.”

    That’s all well and good it is arguable who the point guard is, but if Paul is on the market you have to take him if you can, at any cost (Gallinari included).

    Deron Williams and Chris Paul are the 2 best young point guards in the NBA, give me either of them.

  • HaS

    I don’t give a f*** if Gallinari “retires a Knick” or not, we need a player who’s number will be retired here.

    Chris Paul would certainly have that chance if he played here. He’s 24.

  • traps9

    Sorry if this has been said, as I didn’t read through all the comments, but this fits very well with the notion that Marcus Camby is a target for the Knicks in the offseason. If you can do Lee+Camby for $15/16M and LeBron for his max, It might indeed be a better play.

    (Do I support it? No; I’m a bigger fan of Bosh than that. Do I understand it? Yes.)

    Do you have enough space, then, next year to finagle out max space for ‘Melo? Doesn’t quite seem like it, but we’ll see what Al Horford commands, then, too, as an RFA, as well as the space saved if they don’t get LeBron (read: Mike Miller, Felton, et al).

    Keeping Lee should really please Mac (the two seem to have a good rapport and on-court connection), and Lee+Camby does present possibilities:

    Tracy McGrady
    LeBron James
    Danilo Gallinari
    David Lee
    Marcus Camby

  • HaS

    Not that Gallinari couldn’t possibly have his number retired here IF he turns into any version of Dirk Nowitzki, but since DVJ conveniently avoided to answer my question (no surprise) the 2 most difficult positions to fill in the NBA are point guard and center.

    You want to change the overall complexion of the team/franchise? Add an All-NBA level point guard. Chris Paul is that good.

  • traps9

    Right. Paul IS your second max.

    zdiddy, who are you gonna have run the roll, Okafor? Or are you gonna choose to pair Lee with Emeka over signing LeBron? Is Chandler or Walker gonna develop into your superstar 3, then? I mean, you are giving up the guy who seems to have the higher ceiling in Gallo.

  • HaS

    See Jason Kidd with the Nets for an example.

  • ds2488

    good post. +1. Everyone should be gone but Gallo, Chandler, and Douglas. Too much losing.

  • ds2488

    Great post. I agree with that completely. If we get a chance to sign Bosh than do it. Who knows if Carmelo is coming or anyone else, but Carmelo + Bosh is a championship team.

  • ds2488

    I would much, much, much rather pay Bosh at the max then Lee at 10+ million. Im fine with keeping Lee for 8 million or less, but anything more than that is a giant failure unless he’s the key to signing LBJ or Wade(I know this is ridiculous haha).

    If we don’t get LBJ or Wade, the next best thing is JJ and Bosh. Hopefully you can pay one of them a little less than the max to be able to sign a real center like Camby or even draft one this offseason.

    Third option should be, if all else fails, to just sign one of the younger players as a building-block type of piece. Give Rudy Gay 10-12 million, because he is a good young piece that we can build with. Same for Bosh obviously. If nothing else, explore the trade for Chris Paul or any other teams struggling financially for some good players.

    Notice that David Lee is not involved here at all. If Nate and Marbury can be held accountable for losing..SO CAN LEE. He is not a winning type of player unless he is added to an already good team to put them over the top. Just like Jamal. Nothing more. Resigning him for anything more than 8 million is a huge, huge failure.

  • italian stallion

    >>>The idea that they could have done nothing and waited until next year is valid, but we’re talking about rebuilding a franchise. Walsh knew James and Wade weren’t signing extensions and they’d have the chance to sit down in July. You do whatever it takes to make that happen.<<

    Tommy,

    With all due respect, most of the media is still not understanding this latest trade correctly.

    Every team in the NBA would love to have enough cap space to sign two max players, but not every team would have a chance to sign them even if they had the cap space. Whether it makes sense to pursue that course of action or not is dependent on the probabilities of success.

    Let's review the Knicks chances.

    There are two max players in this FA summer (I agree that Bosh is really not a max player of the same caliber and even though he is better than Lee, he's not a better value at the likely salaries).

    Wade and Lebron

    The probabilities of Wade coming to NY are ZERO!

    1. He loves Miami
    2. They have enough cap space to add another major player there
    3. He has already stated he doesn't want to play in a cold weather city like NY
    4. If he winds up moving to a cold weather city it will be Chicago because that's his home town and they have a better core

    So it all comes down to signing Lebron.

    1. Lebron is already playing at home and living in his brand new mansion there

    2. Family member have flat out stated he's not leaving Cleveland

    3. Lebron has stated it's all about winning. His current team is probably the favorite to win the east and maybe even the whole thing. The Knicks core is going to win 25 games. So he would be trading a sure thing for a guess.

    4. The Cavs signed Antawn Jamison and filled the final piece to their puzzle and thus reduced the probability we could get James before we traded Jeffries, Hill and picks.

    5. The Cavs can pay James more money and he's already in the process of redoing his deal with Nike proving he's doesn't need NY to become a global brand

    So what are the probabilities of James coming here?

    You tell me?

    Furthermore, no one I know ever said they shouldn't do anything until 2011.

    What some people have suggested is that the team already had enough cap space to sign one max player and another piece this year before the Jeffries deal (or various other combinations that would made the team a lot better for next year) without giving up picks and Hill. Then they would have been able to add another max piece in 2011 when both Curry AND Jeffries came off the cap. So there were very good alternatives for rebuilding without giving up Hill and the draft picks. We could also have either developed Hill and those picks or traded them to get a player we needed.

    We still have good alternatives as is, but that's not the point.

    The point is we gave up usable and tradeable assets specifically to sign James and another max or close player this summer. If we don't it was a BAD trade – PERIOD END OF STORY. And IMHO, the chances of success are pretty much zero unless James is an IDIOT.

  • zdiddy

    I stand corrected, you cannot get LBJ and Bosh/Amare if you trade for CP3 and Okafor. So here is my revise version : I would trade Curry, Gallo, Douglas plus 3mill for Okafor and CP3. Line up in 2010:

    PG – CP3 @ $14.9 mill/ D. Leag
    SG – Chandler @ $2.1 mill/ Walker $854 thousand
    SF – Lebron @ $15 mill /Chandler/ 2nd round pick/ Vets min
    PF – Lee @ $8 mill/2nd round pick/ D. Leag
    C – Okafor @ $11.5/ 2nd round pick/ D. Leag

    Lets see how much Lee loves NY and how bad he wants to be a winner.
    The Contract total for LBJ, CP3, Okafor, Lee, Chandler and Walker is $52.4 mill. Two second rounders is approx $1.5 mill. We would need 4 d. leaguers. Maybe we would have include Chandler and keep Douglas @ $1.07 mill and sign Raja bell at Vets min. Then the line up for 2010:

    PG – CP3/ Douglas
    SG – Bell/ Walker
    SF – LBJ /2nd round pick/ D. Leag/Vet min
    PF – Lee/ 2nd round pick/ D. Leag/Vet min
    C – Okafor/ 2nd round pick/ D. Leag/Vet min

    The Good thing is that Lee is surrouned with a good/great defensive player at every position.

  • Rene

    Bosh is softer than charmin,I do not want him here period,especially for max money he might be more valueble than Lee but Lee is cheaper and fits this offense better with his passing,Bosh got man handlled repeatedly thruout his career which is older than Lee,Lee had improved his game every year I’d much rather have a player improving each year than one that peaked,I can see Lee defense getting better not Bosh,plus Lee is our own that should still mean something,sign Lee starting at 8 and ending in 12 and my guess he will be playing alot better towards the 12.Walsh had to do all his deals and has put us in the Lebron plan and for that alone I want to thank,For to have a chance to get the best player in the game besides Kobe I happy with that,you don’t get this apportunity too often I really sick of all the second guessing about rolling the dice which I do very good.He had to roll it anf go for it period. Has is Berman.There is going to be alot of major crow served when we get teh King here.

  • JaymanJD

    You replace him with a guy like Camby, who is unrestricted this summer, who can play center and DEFENSE!!

  • HaS

    “Has is Berman.”

    I struggled to read your post (I hope english is your second language), but I think this a shot directed toward me?

    “There is going to be alot of major crow served when we get teh King here.”

    I’ll gladly take mine with a little Duck Sauce if that happens, but it is hardly a “when” more like an “if” the biggest “IF” one could ever dream of.

    Like I’ve said before, I’ll believe it when the ink is dry and he is at the news conference to announce his signing. However, I have a hard time seeing the logic in a move to NY from a strictly basketball perspective.

  • gianthinker

    I highly doubt that anyone with a brain can look at Lee and Bosh and say Lee is a better player. However, I do agree he gives more bang for the bucks. He is much cheaper and would allow us to sign several solid players to fill the roster and wait for a top talent. With guys like Raja Bell, Michael Redd, Rudy Gay and others out there who are very good players but will come at a relatively cheap price there are other options besides blowing your load on two players.

  • bob go knicks

    man,its startin to look that way!you know how much i hate lebron,and the thought of him playikn in a Knicks uni,makes me soooo sick, (and i cant watch if they do)but if the Knicks dont sign him,everything that Donnie Walsh has done up to this point will have been a complete and utter epic failure.(still hope they dont though)

  • bob go knicks

    he never answers the question,just adds something else that has nothing to do with what you said

  • bob go knicks

    Patrick Ewing didnt even retire as a Knick

  • bob go knicks

    what would you think if the Knicks ended up with Joe johnson and Chris Paul?

  • bob go knicks

    no one player can bring a championship totaly by themselves.Even Delroy Lindo look-alike Lebron James hasnt done that

  • bob go knicks

    HaS,dont you know who that is? H erri

  • YO SON

    I would rather sign BRITTNEY GRINER from Baylor over lee…….REAL TALK.

  • traps9

    Antawn Jamison isn’t the final piece of their puzzle until they win the title this year. I wouldn’t be so quick to presume.

  • traps9

    Well said. Well, not counting Michael Redd. You can’t use your ETO and give up all that money, especially if you’ve been hurt. He won’t be in the mix, nor should he. We’ll see what Rudy goes for; I think he’ll be at $10M and could approach $12M. Mike Miller, Raymond Felton, Ray Allen, Camby or O’Neal, Raja, Mac… I have no issue going to battle with a team as opposed to a superstar and see what dice we roll in ’11, as long as we do everything we can to convince LeBron (read: let him pick a second max).

  • HaS

    +1

  • HaS

    LOL

  • jgilch82

    Jameson is so overrated … in 2 years .. Gallo could even be better than Jameson … and no lebron never said its all bout winning …
    he wants to be the richest athlete ever …. read the forbes article on how that cannot happen with him staying in cleveland … why has he not signed an extension yet?

  • HaS

    I know bob, I don’t even know why I bother (actually most times I don’t), you can’t fight scientology with logic.