Recap: Warriors 128 Knicks 117

If our team mattered, then david lee’s triple double would matter…but our team is nothing more than an nba afterthought now…so….who cares?

It’s fitting that this triple double came on the heels of a loss to another sub par team that doesn’t play defense…pointless

I dont think you can call it pointless honestly, It’s not Lee’s fault that only him, gallo, and walker came to play minus his foul trouble….I also didn’t realize til this morning that gallo had 29 8 8….2 ast and 2 rebs away from a triple double…and he sat most of the 2nd quarter so he prob could of gotten one as well if he played in the 2nd..

I’m not sure about Lee for the future, I’d like him to come back assuming they could get Lebron and a shot blocker like Camby, but as clyde said on the broadcast last night, at least Lee constantly brings it every night.

One last thing about Lee, I can’t stand when people say hes stat padding cause he honestly could of gotten 50+ last night but Gallo and Walker were having nice games so he kept getting them the ball

I think Lee suffers from what Ewing did in the 90s when the team was good but constantly coming up short of a championship. He’s their best player and when the team doesn’t do well he bears the brunt of the criticism. Usually the best player is expected to carry the team to victories and when it doesn’t happen fans usually get frustrated and take it out on said player for not doing enough. I know Lees’ not a great all around player and can frustrate you at times with his lack of defensive intensity but he’s low on the list of things that are wrong with this team. In my opinion the guy is legit; a true all star; flawed most definitely but still a damn good player.

“Lee’s triple double was the first 30-20-10 since Kareen Abdul-Jabbar some 35 years ago…”

Did Kareem win the game?

Lee is no Ewing.

With all due respect to David Lee, he hardly compares to Patrick Ewing.
It’s not like Lee’s Knicks are exactly just “coming up short of a
championship” year after year. The fans’ criticism of Ewing stemmed mostly from the facts that the guy came across as unlikeable-nobody could honestly question his status as a franchise player. Lee is nowhere near that level, and he is now looking for a mega contract despite having been a major part of teams that have done nothing but lose since he’s been here.

Lee has become a terrifically efficient offensive player this season, but its been negated by his continual lack of exertion on the defensive end. This weakness is not “low on the list of things that are wrong with this team”, considering that it is a lack of defensive emphasis which is the primary problem with the Knicks. If we are going to kill the coach for placing no emphasis on defense, we also have to fairly call out the players who aren’t giving any effort in that department as well.

What makes it further aggravating in the case of Lee is that he seemingly wasn’t always this bad defensively-it seems that he came into this season just looking to put up numbers for his next contract, with the attitude that “defense be damned”. That is what I think bothers many Knick fans about his performance this season. While sometimes the criticism is exaggerated (particularly with his rebounding which many seemingly take for granted), his lack of defensive effort has become a glaring problem which cannot be ignored when assessing the Knicks’ situation at present.

feh…..Lee is such a stat padder….anyone could get those numbers in this system……

All you have to do is grab the ball when someone misses, set up someone who scores and put the ball in the hoop a lot. Easy as cake. I think Lee was stealing stats from Gallo, so he wouldn’t get the triple double and upstage him.

I just know someone in hear would say something like that, so I beat them to the punch…..

Thank you harris, maybe they’ll hear the message when it coming from a different source.

I KNOW Lee is more than capable of giving a better effort on the defensive end. Is it all his fault? No, but since the “coach” isn’t going to hold you accountable by cutting your minutes accordingly then take pride in it yourself. Is he the only poor defender (to put it mildly)? No, but he (for better or worse) is the center and needs to protect the paint which makes it even more glaring of a problem imho.

I’m sure that another another coach he could be at least a scrappy defender who could at least take charges, get a few jump balls and maybe even near a full block a game. He is athletic enough and he has quicker feet than the guys he guards most nights. There is no excuse.

That’s what is so infuriating about Lee, also he had the opportunity to be a solid piece to the puzzle here if he just showed a little heart.

Good riddance. I won’t miss him. And if he plays defense next year for another coach it will only intensify my hatred for him AND this “coach”.

Yea, he played a perfect game.

Two stats that stand out to me?

1 foul.

60+ pts in the paint by the Warriors.

Lee had a nice game last night in every way. And he played well on D, despite what ppl here say–those guys kept getting beat, and he tried to help, sometimes leaving his guy open. T-Mac got beat. Du Du got beat. Al got beat. Gallo got beat.

I don’t think Gallo had a very good game at all, despite the numbers. Too many dumb mistakes, got blocked twice at least, and settles for contested 3s way too much. The one time he posted up he looked good, but he’s not gonna always have a point guard on him.

If ppl want to find a culprit for the loss though, when Buckets went in, the knicks went from being up 10, to down 4 immediately.

But really, the whole team stunk except for Lee last night.

Funny thing about Lee detractors is that many say his stats are inflated and are not a true reflection of his talent. I don’t agree with that but for argument sake let’s say that’s the case. How many stat stuffers in the last 30 yrs have ever stuffed stats in a game the way Lee did last night? Must not be that easy…..lol

“Funny thing about Lee detractors is that many say his stats are inflated and are not a true reflection of his talent.”

I’m a “Lee detractor”, where have I said his stats are “inflated”?

Your name was not mentioned anywhere in the post.

I keep hearing it’s the system that allows him to get these stats thus diminishing his accomplishments. I don’t ever recall anyone else ever padding his stats to the tune of 20 pts 12 rebs a game in the D’Antoni system. Even the great Stoudemire never did it.

But it also requires some effort to defend and stop the other team from scoring. Teams that don’t defend will always fail at some point. That is the problem with Lee, and for that matter, the entire team. Until that mentality changes (and it obviously starts with the head coach), great “stat lines” will be about the only thing to get excited about with this franchise.

Lee played a great game, but not a perfect one.

Just think its ridiculous to trivialize his excellent offensive play by calling him a “stat pader”.

Lee is not a center. Would I like to see more defensive effort? Of course. But he has no help down low on D.

No Amare never did that. But his production had a positive impact on the Suns. Its not even an issue. So if you had a choice between Amare and Lee who would you think would get this team more wins?

Bad defensive players don’t play good defense. Jerry Sloan couldn’t get this team to play defense.

And the last I checked more times than not when a player puts up numbers like Lee did there teams normally don’t get destroyed much less lose. So yes its empty stats. They have no positive impact on the game or team.

Again, where did I say he was a “stat padder”?

So you think Amare would get this same team how many more wins?

He is not a leader, like Lee.

He is not a good defensive player, like Lee.

Lee is a better passer. Amare is a better finisher and more explosive.

Lee is probably a better rebounder.

“I keep hearing it’s the system that allows him to get these stats thus diminishing his accomplishments.”

I’ve never said this. Where do you keep hearing it?

Why do you think everyone is addressing you?

I made my original sarcastic post in response to that general sentiment that is expressed in here that Lee is a stat pader.

Amare wouldn’t have any better luck getting this sad excuse of a team to win games. He may score more than Lee but isn’t the rebounder or passer Lee is. Amares’ defense isn’t anything to write home about either. I’m not saying Lee is all world. I didn’t mean to imply he was as good as Ewing. All i’m saying is that i think alot of the venom spewed his way is unwarranted. To put the bulk of this teams’ failures at his doorstep is pretty unfair if you ask me.

I would have no problem with bringing Lee back next year. You put a Joe Johnson, Marcus Camby and either Ray Felton or Darren Collison around him you’d be surprised how much your appreciation of him would be altered in a positive sense.

Well I’m one of the loudest “Lee detractors” so naturally I’m going to feel like I’m beng addressed when you call out “Lee detractors”.

If you’re not, then fine. As you were. My apologies.

I think this is a cop out.

I don’t blame you though the “coach” is good at it too.

I hope he gets his type of players next year that don’t need to be coached, motivated or have plays called for them.

” You put a Joe Johnson, Marcus Camby and either Ray Felton or Darren Collison around him you’d be surprised how much your appreciation of him would be altered in a positive sense.”

No thanks.

I doubt a 37 year old Camby is going to make a whole lot of difference in Lee’s defense.

Oh, the Hornets aren’t parting with Collison on his rookie contract, that’s why he’s crossed out. The Knicks had their chance to draft him last summer btw.

“To put the bulk of this teams’ failures at his doorstep is pretty unfair if you ask me.”

If we can’t blame the “elite coach”, the GM or the team’s “best” player then who is to blame?

First up old man Camby still has a lot left . He is still top 5 in a few things. Secondly I didn’t see the game but wow those are some crazy stats for Lee or anyone. Im not one who is for Lee returining but if the knicks did do that they have to bring in some one more long term than Camby if they want to invest in Lee. Someone like Camby but much younger .

can we send gallo to europe for the last couple weeks of the season …. i dont him around this team anymore … the lack of effort and Lazyness on D might start to get to him and create bad tendancies

No you don’t do that but if you are DW you put pressure on the coach to do something about that.

This game is not on Lee, like most games it is entirely on Al Chucketts. What a awful player. The worst in the nba. 3-12 shooting, -25 on the game. No defense, no passing, no hustle, no heart, no brain, just chucking. I can’t wait till he steals money from another team. Maybe he’ll be a ball-mover then according to his own delusional thinking.

are you serious with this Lee is a leader thing?

i hope that is toungue in cheek.. you then say Amar’e is “not a good defender like Lee” which is utterly preposterous.

Amar’e plays better defense than Lee.. In fact, everyone in the league is a better defender than Lee.

Zack Randolph is an historic stat padder… By stat padding i mean they accumulate stats in the first three quarters then routinely disappear when crunch time comes.

I could argue Lee gives up 2x more points than he ever scores in a game… easily.

according to some McGrady is the best player.. lets blame him.

He didn’t Lee’s a leader. He tried to say that both Lee and Amare aren’t good leaders.

I don’t think the Knicks would be better the Nets without Lee, so I don’t think he gives up “2x more points than he ever scores in a game” because opposing players will score regardless but his points scored/points allowed ratio is WEAK.

*didn’t SAY Lee’s a leader

Exactly/ From up 10 to down 4 when Chucky came in.

Oh yeah. right. our power forward plays better D than Lee. sure

Hey, the day is still young so it’s still time for me to stay: doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo…

THIS COACH SUCKS! FIRE THIS COACH NOW!

Ok. this was only a test. If it was for real I would be rejoicing! Back to the regular scheduled posting!

Starksoakmase; Lee is the greatest center since since Duncan and Shaq in their prime.

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

If Lee is our leader well as the great Bill Parcells said you are what your record says you are and in the case of Lee Mike and Chucketts our Knicks that’s not sayin much.

The best way to answer this when it comes to Lee is when free agency hits let’s see how many offers come rollin in not in money alone but starting spots.

sounds like a DISS to EWING

lee is no where near to ewing..

you miss-read that statement, I was saying both players are not leaders.

Amare may be better, but not by much, he is not good on defense. I really don’t want him here. But i don’t think Lee has a spot here either. I want to see Gallo at the 4 and a real Center next to him.

Lee is not the kind to force shots, so by the 4th quarter, teams force the ball out of hands and into the hands of the knicks incapable shooters.

Lee will flourish anywhere as a 2nd or 3rd option playing the PF. The guy can do it all on Offense except shoot the 3. And he is extremely unselfish.

I will take it as a complement that you think enough of me to misquote me.

I routinely say that Lee is not a center, is a below average defender, and is an excellent offensive player.

he will be great as a 2nd or 3rd option on another team next year.

the Nets will go after him hard and give him a first day offer of 11 mil per.

he’ll wait to see if Donnie can do a S&T for more money but will ultimately take the deal.

donnie lets him walk.

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