Game Thread: Wizards at Knicks

I think everyone vented their “thoughts” on Lee is the last thread lol.

I just don’t understand why what Lee considers defense is excused as even decent.

When I watch him his body language and his effort level is considerably less than it is on the offensive end. So much so that even a lot of his supporters somehow believe that the coach must have specifically instructed him to NOT play defense because he doesn’t want to risk having Lee in foul trouble and not out on the floor.

All you really need is lateral movement and good instincts. most NBA players do not have either. Add to that rule changes that discourages defense.

“If they traded him to Cleveland for Anderson Varejao would the Cavs win any less games? I say absolutely not.”

Tommy come on mad…can you really say that with a straight face???

You Mr. Dee made it a point to say that we went on that great december run thanks to mr. intangeble Jared Jeffries and now you say that Varejao is replaceble????????

He plays hard defense, dives for lose balls etc etc.

Anderson is the cavs version of mr. intangeble.

I would even say that I rather pay anderson the 10 mil per he is making than Lee. Who agrees with me????

If they traded him to Cleveland for Anderson Varejao would the Cavs win any less games? I say absolutely not. So what does that say about defense?

Nobody knows.. But you could probably surround Lebron with 8 minimum salary players and still win 50 games,

Good defenders may make bad ones LOOK better but the chain is only as strong as it’s weakest link. Bad defenders are routinely exploited. Lee is in a whole nother class..

His defense is non existent.

Im not sure what you mean by successful.. Is wining 43 games successful?

If we wanted to surround good offensive players(and bad defenders) with defenders we might as well have kept Craw, Zbo and Jeffries.

But Im old school.. I think everyone should be accountable on defense.

Tonight is probably a win..

Forces jump balls, takes charges, gets other bigs in foul trouble and gets under opponents skin.

Lee? The opposing players probably wants to buy the guy a beer after the game for helping him look like Wilt Chamberlain for 4 quarters.

Tommy, bro, you gotta proof read.. still, no shots.

I’m with the consensus on this one: Lee is a horrendous – not a bad – defender.

Gallinari is hardly the spokesman for lateral quickness, but he TRIES out there and many times beats his man to the spot or anticipates where the opponent wants to go with the basketball and makes it dificult. Also, he’s playing against guys on the perimeter.

Lee doesn’t contest shots, doesn’t take charges, barely rotates or shows on the shooter and is pretty much invisible defensively for 90% of the opponent’s possessions.

Should be a fun game tonight. I for one will be both sad and happy when Lee is gone…sad that it had to end that way with Lee, who was truly one of my favorite players for his rookie and 2nd year, but extremely happy that his stat-padding, no-defense playing, complaining after every whistle like he’s a star, loser is gone.

It was so sad to watch him grow from a good energy and intensity guy off the bench to someone who got too good too quickly and gave up doing all the little things that got him to where he was in the first place. I don’t doubt that a la Jamal Crawford, this guy can fit in well on a contending team, most likely as a 6th man type player. But there are too many flaws to his game right now. He really needs to improve on defense to the point where he doesn’t net hurt his team, which I believe he does right now.

Varejeo has the 2nd best +- in the league for a reason(first is Lebron). He does all the intangible stuff that you raved about JJ doing but Varejeo actually does those things(unlike Jeffries) and adds good rebounding, finishing, and man defense to that. He’s like a super-charged version of Jeffries.

Anyway, tonight is same as always. Looking for good things from Gallo, Douglas, Walker, and I guess Barron. Don’t really care about anyone else. They can go to the Nets with David Lee for all I care. Excepting my main man Ill Will of course, who will be back and better than ever next year.

has,

in the last post i was talking about guys like monta ellis and devin harris just to name a few. i was exaggerating when i said stud pgs…… my point was walsh could easily get an “ALL-star” pg so to speak.

“Varejeo has the 2nd best +- in the league for a reason(first is Lebron). He does all the intangible stuff that you raved about JJ doing but Varejeo actually does those things(unlike Jeffries) and adds good rebounding, finishing, and man defense to that. He’s like a super-charged version of Jeffries.”

With better hands and he can actually make a layup.

I wouldn’t hate either one of those guys here (I actually mentioned them), but neither one of those guys can hold Chris Paul’s jock strap imho.

Ellis isn’t a very good point guard (5 assists and 4 turnovers) plus he’s injury prone and plays poor defense (gambles too much, think Iverson) he’s more of a scorer imo.

Devin Harris’ point guard skills are serviceable at best. He IS a good guard though, I think he could play WITH Wall a la a poor man’s Pearl and Clyde or Isaiah and Dumars.

Jeffries made Lee look like a better defender. Kinda my point.

The cavs are the same team with Lee instead. They move Hickson into the “intangible” role. A late 1st round pick.

You guys are funny with the Lee hate.

Woah, yeah I could use an editor. Wanna do it for free? You’re hired. Still have no takers on that one.

Not as funny as Lee on defense standing near the opponents basket.

Lee at 8 million is acceptable. At 12 million is not.

As a third option he is not going to get the numbers he is now.
If we need a lanky defender to go along with lee, then the 4/5 is locked up. I thought MD wanted Gallo as the 4 when he gets the chance to run his system. I’m afraid that we will overpay for lee. He is also not a guy you can give the ball to down the stretch. I would rather save the cap space than pay too much for him

On the subject of Lee Blatche will probably get 30-16 and 4 blocks tonight haha.

Don’t let HaS do it. He’ll erase all the D’s lol.

But he’d be less bad on Cleveland…without doing anything.

LOL

Varejao would be Jared Jeffries here, with a worse contract.

SMH at “less bad”.

I don’t want “less bad” at 10-13 million per with annual increases. Eff that man, I’m sorry. We’ll have to agree to disagree on that one.

HAHAHA! Good one.

Only 3 D’s, _’antoni and _avi_. Maybe I’ll do it next year when there’ll only be one D to erase in the “coach’s” name. Or the year after when maybe we’ll be free of both.

I don’t want “less bad” at 10-13 million per with annual increases.

I said 8-9 in the post below. my terms.

It’s impossible to compare Varejao and Lee, they both bring different things to the table. In a vacuum I take Lee. When taking their price into account and put them on a team with ample offense like the Cavs, I take Sideshow Bob every single time.

Varejao is a better finisher(much better FG percentage) than Jeffries, it’s not even close. How many wide open layups would he miss a game. Ridiculous.

I don’t hate lee at all.

Actually if LBJ comes, and Lee signs for what would be 7 or 8 mil per then we can spend on camby (which I think would take a lot of convincing aka more money,for him to come back).

I am more of a “the guy with the mustache on the sidelines” hater.

NOW THAT’S A FRAUD OF A COACH!!!!!!!

I just like you Has and the rest of the guys have been critical of Lee on defense but have you seen Lee get a little better lately? Hard fouls in the paint and the occasional block.

Is it just my imagination???

Tommy _EE

Lol yeah that “D” on your keyboard had a lonely winter.

Don’t know if anyone is actually watching the game, but for Gallinari to not leave the floor in the first quarter and have zero points is inexcusable…

I hate Varejao but he’d be one of my fav. players if he played for the Knicks.

LMAO

LMFAO S. Rod is a poor man’s point guard version of David Lee defensively.

The problem with this is that Lee is getting 10m at an absolute minimum.

They are both overrated.

They are good NBA players but they play losing style of basketball IMO.

*a

“In a vacuum I take Lee.”

Let’s see if you feel the same way once Lee get’s paid this summer as expected.

Come on Mucha that’s just not fair. The guy gets steals and has very active hands. Lee………….not so much.

where’s that written?

“Lee signs for what would be 7 or 8 mil per then we can spend on camby (which I think would take a lot of convincing aka more money,for him to come back).”

Didn’t i write that?

I played D. Not too much now, but used to.

Funny I thought Devin Harris was on Dallas squad when they went to the finals and Monta was part of that team (8th seed) that upset a number one seed.

The real Barron is starting to emerge

‘ If they traded him to Cleveland for Anderson Varejao would the Cavs win any less games? I say absolutely not.”

Defense wins championships. I don’t know what else to say.

Varejao has a terrible contract. He’s not good enough to let it hamper the cavs.

He’s a product of playing with greatness, period.

I’d take Lee for 10M, Camby for ?, and a solid PG as part of a trade (perhaps were we take on salary for collison).

He’s not better than Lee in my opinion. He just watched his man catch the ball, look at the rim and shoot a 3-pointer – Sergio didn’t even move. The same way Lee watched Hamilton make a lay-up in Detroit.

Sergio’s turnovers always create fast-break opportunities and he rarely runs back when he loses the ball.

Defense wins championships. I don’t know what else to say.

why don’t you say it when they win one.

they’ve been the best defensive team for years now.

Last year the Magic made more 3s…

Gallo’s body language has been awful tonight – he clearly has something else on this mind.

Antipasto salad, gnoche, meatballs, and a Chianti? Never mind. That’s me.

Monta Ellis was far from being the best player on the team (Davis, Jackson, Richardson) – and Devin Harris was just a role player on that Mavericks team (Nowitzki, Terry, Howard, Stackhouse).

They can be very good 3rd options on a perennial playoff team/contender but that’s about it.

So you compare Lee’s 4 year long lack of defense to one play of Sergio…………..Ok.

Plus we are not talking TO’s. Sergio will always have more turnovers due to him handling the ball.

its horrible how duhon doesnt look to get gallo the ball.

No.

I’ve always said that Rodriguez was weak defensively. He’s just a terrible defender, I can’t even count the bad defensive plays…

The Magic are one of the best defensive teams in the league as well and were last year. D. howard, Courtney Lee, Rashard Lewis, Pietrus. The only bad defener on the Magic last year was Hedo.

Just because the Cavs lost doesn’t mean that defense doesn’t win championships. The Magic and Lakers both played stellar defense as has every team that has won the chip the past 20 years.

Varejo is overpaid but is a very good intangibles player. You praised Jeffries to no end for the same things Varejo does but Varejo is better at doing them.

Hopefully this season the Knicks continue to bring in guys who play both ends of the floor.

Nah Megan Fox.

He wants to run the P&R, that’s what he does.

The P&R = Food on the table for Dudu

Why is Duhon on the court is just beyond my comprehension. I mean he is not young so we can develop him. We are not going to sign next year.

Wow …………… Unbelievable.

I really don’t see Camby coming back to play for Dolan. That was a messy break up.

We keep talking about signing these veteran guys but none are comnig for the veterans min unless we have a championship team in place. That won’t likely won’t happen unless LBJ signs.

Ditto. He’s a total Flopsicle. I hate floppers, but it’s one of the best ways to get under a players skin.

If Lee took a charge and sacrificed his body once in a while I would be giving him a longer leash on defense.

Rodriguez will obviously commit more turnovers than Lee – I don’t criticize him because he’s a point guard! But he turns the ball over waaaay too much, he doesn’t take care of the basketball and he rarely runs back when he loses it. And THAT is a lack of defense.

The game doesn’t matter.

He’s been a loyal soldier.

He needs a job next year.

So they are letting him play.

All this talk about a guy who isn’t going to be back next season-that’s amazing. IMO Lee is going to wind up with the Nets-they’ll give him the big pay day he wants (and they’ll be desperate to sign somebody given the cap room they have, and given that they’re not getting any of the big free agents). The Knicks could possibly even wind up with Carlos Boozer, a better player, at a comparable price. Certainly no loss there if it comes to that.

Lee is better than Anderson Verejao, but so what? Unless you work in a hair salon, since when is Verajao anything to get excited about?

No reason to get all that nostalgic about Lee’s last game at MSG. Good luck to him in the future-time to move on.

Dearest Danillo Gallinari,

Please stop trying to take Mike Miller off the dribble. You look like George Muresan imitating an And 1 mixtape.

You want to play well consistently?

POST UP smaller defenders.
DRIVE on bigger/slower defenders.
Take 3′s when you can get open looks in rhythm.

Sincerely,
PipeDreamin

Devin Harris was STARTING for that Dallas team. That has to count for something right????

You make it sound like Monta was a 12 minute a game role player for GS which is the farthest thing from the truth. The guy was the first one of the bench and you could pencil him in for 30+ minutes a game when they had Davis, Jackson and Richardson which by the way are no longer on the team.

Good one.

Lee to the nets is not a given.

If they get the 3rd pick and Wall + Turner are off the board do you think they will pass on the big guy from Kentucky??? I don’t think so.

So all of that is more important than the future of the franchise??????

I think Douglas and Sergio should have been playing the point after the deadline.

The Nets’ luck would really have to be bad for them not to get one of those other two. Admittedly anything is possible with that franchise.

Nothing is a given, but Lee is the perfect player for the Nets from the standpoint that they get a big name who is immensely popular in the NY area (even if you wouldn’t know it from reading the comments on TKB).

Read the next sentence.

That’s why I said vacuum. As in without consideration for things that don’t involve pure basketball talent such as salary..

When a player commits a TO he is in a bad defensive position to begin with.

I am not excusing Sergio for his TO’s but this was a defensive discussion and no matter how you slice it Lee is by far a worse defender than Sergio.

Sideshow Bob = Varejao if you’ve never seen the Simpsons.

Agreed.

He did get benched for awhile, but tonight is totally meaningless.

I disagree, my first comment was sarcastic but I think they are equally bad.

Nice Lebron-like block from Gallo. A lot of Knicks would have let it go. That’s encouraging.

I remember watching Shaun Livingston and thinking this kid is going to be special.

Amazing court vision, good shooting touch, above average post up game.

Dare I say Magic Johnson like skills.

Both were role players, period.

Baron Davis was the 1st option, Stephen Jackson was the 2nd option and Jason Richardson was the 3rd option. I repeat, Monta Ellis was a ROLE PLAYER on this team.

Dirk Nowitzki was the 1st option, Jason Terry was the 2nd option, Josh Howard was the 3rd option, and even though Devin Harris was a starter Jerry Stackhouse used to play and shoot the ball down the stretch because he was more of a difference maker than Devin Harris. Harris was the 4th – arguably the 5th – option on that Dallas team.

What is a 4th option? A ROLE PLAYER.

They are good NBA players but they will NEVER lead a team to the playoffs. They are very SOLID 3rd options at best.

I’ll take one of each.

Not for me man.

I wanna see douglas get more assists and sergio cut down on his to’s and gallo have a monster game.

The same way this “coach” should feel.

How unfortunate.

I guess we’ll agree to disagree.

I think D’antoni has given up on Douglas as a PG. He’s playing along side Duhon. So it’s either Duhon and S-Rod. Not exactly the pick of the little in floor generals.

4th option……role players…………..solid 3rd options, whatever you wanna call them their teams don’t go on the run they went without them.

Plus, name the players that can “lead” their teams to the playoffs?

Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Garnett (5 years ago).

Can the guys that you mentioned above “lead” their teams to the playoffs?

Dirk = no
B. Diddy = no
S. Jackson = no
Jason Terry = no

He is taking over now.

That is a good point.

You can probably say that he is not very high on S-Rod either so i guess that makes it a priority to find a PG during the summer.

a superstar if we got one next year would keep gallo in check and make him bring “it” every game and every minute.

Lets not get frustrated with gallo though hes about to end his rookie season with 15/5

He’s making less than what Lee wants and will more than likely get… somewhere. Not here I hope.

“Dare I say Magic Johnson like skills.”

Easy there, but point taken. I mentioned him back when Wizards first gave him a 10 Day contract. I suggested him as one of the cheap roster-filling contracts to look out for this summer.

I think he’s one of the high-schoolers who would have benefited from college experience, but I still thought he was an interesting prospect back in Clippers days before the ” incident”

Dirk, I think yes.

The rest no, although Stephen Jackson’s presence on the Bobcats made them much better.

Be careful about twisting into Jeffries argument. The question was would they lose more games with Lee vs Varajeo. I say no way. What say you?

“Devin Harris was STARTING for that Dallas team. That has to count for something right????”

Gerald Green was starting for Dallas last year and is out of the league now (although I wish the Knicks would have given him a look).

If the Nets get that 3rd pick they should take Favors…he’s a beast and a sizable PF. They already have a C and I don’t think Cousins is going to be that great. But it’s just pure speculation I guess.

If we don’t trade for a PG or draft a solid one then he should be considered for next year.

The only thing is that he is a step slower than before but the vision and shot is still there.

Don’t you think?

Awful performance from Gallo tonight. Although, its not helping that
A) Chris Duhon is his pg. Enough said
B) He can’t hit a shot, even though he’s gotten many good looks
C) He can’t get a call either. Has tried to draw contact many times.

Anyway, Doug I just don’t know with him anymore. It seems clear Dantoni has given up on him as a pg, and I can’t say I disagree. He simply looks to score way too much and can’t make good passes.

I think they do lose more games because Varejao sees some minutes at center some nights and we already see what Lee is capable of defensively at that position protecting the rim.

Also, as bad as Lee is on defense I doubt he would even start.

No way of knowing, so there is no wrong answer, but I think they lose 10 more games. We see the difference between the Knicks without Jeffries.

Has he was the starting PG for a team that went to the finals please don’t use Gerald “I’m not just a dunker” Green as an example.

10 more games!! wow. I disagree.

LOL. That play right there is exactly why as Mucha always says, Sergio is a complete scrub.

You have an en fuego Gallinari coming of 9 straight points on 3 straight possessions, and Sergio forces up a awful shot when he has a wide open Gallo off a pick and roll. Man, I really can’t stand to watch Sergio anymore. I don’t know what happened to him, but that shot was just terrible. Only Al harrington would have taken that shot.

“Dirk, I think yer.”

Wow. I respect but disagree with that.

sergio never looks for gallo

LMAO Circle is on fire tonight!

gallos making every shot but they dont give him the ball i dont get it

He looks more than Duhon.

Devin was wildly inconsistent back then though. Many would argue he still is.

sergio is playing for his CONTRACT tonight. he’s looking for his own shots, forcing bad shots. not trying to drive and kick like he normally does.

You substitute Lee and Varejo I don’t think Shaq sits as many games this year as he does. Lee and Jamison are duplicative, I’m not even sure how many minutes Lee would get to be honest. Varejo does a lot more things than Lee so I think he gets more minutes on the current Cavs.

The difference in wins, maybe 5-6 games. But the real question is who is more valuable in the playoffs and a seven game series where Varejo’s defense is the difference between winning a series and losing one.

Again Varejo by himself is not an incredible player. But he buys perfectly into the team system and does all the little things. Just like Posey did in Boston. and Horace Grant (much better player but concept remains the same) did for the Bulls. Lee is obviously the better player (Varejo is not putting up Lee’s stats no matter what the team). But to me Varejo is better playing off of a star and is more conducive to winning when your team already has enough offense.

Sergio is playing for Mucha tonight.

My main man Sergio!!!!!!!!!

Yeah!!!!!!!!

Earl fu*king Barron what a pass!!!!!

Sergio again!!!!!

The Garden is EL FUEGO!!!!!!!!!

Please stop making excuses for Gallo (i.e. Duhon is his PG).

lol

I definitely agree. I don’t know whether this comeback is for real or a mirage but the FA PG market is thin.

Well, there goes Sergio proving me wrong haha. He’s really taking over. To be honest, its good play calling because they are just overloading one side which leaves Sergio and Gallo on the other. Then Gallo’s just setting picks, and his man knows he can’t leave him so its getting wide open looks for Sergio.

lol yeah

Great performance in the 4th.

Lee is not going to give you the same offense in Cleveland, because what other coach is running the offense through him at the top of the key? Especially with Mo, West and most especially James on the team?

He’s got plenty of flaws in his game, but dayamn, he has the Euro-step down pat.

LOL

You can see why Washington is a bad team after watching the last 4 minutes. Completely fell apart, they missed a couple point blank layups and then started settling for long jumpers. Backwards.

They’re extremely young and have some pretty good pieces if they pan out and reach their potential.

haha. There were no excuses in there. Notice the sentence construction “its not helping”. Thats not an excuse, its a reason.

But seriously man, why do you seem to have such a problem with Gallo? I mean, its one thing to freak out when someone says he is going to be better than Dirk, but it seems like you always try and downplay him and treat everything like its a useless, reasonless excuse for him.

Bill Walker is an EXCELLENT passer. he has the ability to put the ball where his team mate is GOING to be. i’ve been noticing it the past few games, but tonight he has two very pretty passes to lee and just now another great look for gallo.

I like their young pieces, although I have serious questions about Blatche’s ability to play winning basketball. He doesn’t seem to have “IT”.

But I really like Mcgee. He’s a serious young talent. Add a good 6th man type player in Al Thornton and a solid bench scorer in Young and they have decent young pieces.

It would be nice t go into next season with TWO point guards just like the other 29 teams (some have 3).

Chants for David Lee. HaS just died a little on the inside.

He’s had better looking passes since joining the Knicks than Toney Douglas has had all year.

The worst +/- on the team again. He and Duhon are the only players with a -, how fitting.

haha. Sergio’s killing Mucha, Lee’s killing HaS, whats next Al harrington gets off the bench and has 15 assists. Its bizarro night.

That’s the Jeff Hornacek “jump off the wrong foot move”, hardly a “Euro-step”.

Made in the USA.

DVJ’s “prediction” for 30 wins is still alive!

I bet he can taste “Victory” now.

LOL

rotfl

I really like Bill Walker.

Celtics fans want him back man!

He commits too many stupid fouls and he can play better defense but he looks like a keeper.

Got to read my posts.

I like Gallo. Want him to be better on the defensive end, running through picks and being more aggressive and playing well on the road.

He has the highest ceiling of any current Knick in my opinion. I just think you guys overrate him and make too many excuses for him (like no one on the team passes to him or I wouldn’t trade him for Chris Paul).

No problem.

I don’t think you have to run the offense through Lee for him to get his points. Even under Isiah Lee got his points without any plays being run for him. He would be good in Cleveland from an offensive perspective but again he does the same things Jamison does (minus the 3 pt shot) which is why I don’t know how many minutes he would get.

Yeah, 2 PG’s and a combo or 2 would be nice. Douglas looks like a solid combo.

Walsh better draft at least one PG. In the 2nd round you have to draft for position.

In terms of FAs, it’s dicey. Felton will be overpriced. Ridnour will be on the wrong side of 30. Will Bynum can be explosive at times. I love Lowry but he can’t hit from anywhere on the court. I’ve been a CJ Watson fan I think we should have taken a stab at him last summer but he’s not really a pure PG.

Patty Mills could be a rough gem. Maybe Farmar can prove something outside the triangle. I’d give Barea a look too. But it’s a bleak picture for the PG market.

At the right price. But the Knicks have all bench/role players on their team. WIll be interesting to see what they do in the offseason.

Guess it will depend on where the majority of the money is spent.

Dirk doesn’t his team to the playoffs???? I smell that purple haze!!!

He almost led the Mavs to 70 wins a couple years ago!

Dirk, Terry and Howard were the guys in Dallas, Harris was just a role player. He’s become a better player with time but he’s no 2nd option on a championship caliber team. They play a losing style of basketball if they are the best players on their respective teams. They are productive but not EFFICIENT.

(They = Harris and Ellis)

Team option. I think it’s worth it.

So Andy is allowed to benefit from greatness but Lee can’t?

Yes, I for one, as you know, would trade Gallo in a second for Chris Paul.

But I don’t think it really qualifies as a baseless excuse to point out that the Knicks don’t have a decent pg. Especially one such as Duhon, who I think you would agree, only really looks for David Lee. Gallo’s a good player, but he still works best when he has someone else creating for him I think. I’ve said many times that having someone who could consistently get him open looks would take his game to the next level.

But I agree with you, sometimes(especially on the road) Gallo simply does not bring it, and that is unacceptable. He needs to be more aggressive in general. But it certainly doesn’t help when he doesn’t have a pg to consistently get him the ball, would you at least agree with that?

Bill Walker is great. He’s one of those guys who understands his limitations and his role on the team and doesn’t play outside of that. He still settles too often(who on this team doesn’t) and sometimes loses focus on defense with stupid fouls, but I will be pissed if they don’t keep him at his cheap price. That trade ended up being fine imo, I would def. trade Nate for Walker alone at this point. Celtics probably would too. They have to be kicking themselves.

I did not bother to watch the game but somebody tell me how we had to come back from 10 against the Washington Bullets!?! lol geeez!!!

The Wizards are a terrible team.

The End.

Didn’t say he wouldn’t benefit, but he’s not getting near triple doubles and 30 point games would be hard to come by imho.

“He commits too many stupid fouls and he can play better defense but he looks like a keeper.”

I think he’s out of shape and that forces him to play defense with his hands. If he comes back in shape next year it’s a no-brainer to keep him, why not? Even if he’s the 4th or 5th guard worth keeping around at that price.

The Knicks PG play has been the downfall of a lot of Knicks the past decade, Gallo included. It is part of the reason that the Knicks have been so up and down on the floor and don’t have consistent effort IMO. So yes, that is part of the problem.

But that still does not explain Gallo’s problems on the road.

I know which drive you’re talking about, it was off the Gallo screen? I remember Clyde mentioned jumping off the wrong foot messes with a defenders timing. And yes, that is classic Hornacek.

I’m thinking of a few plays before that, I believe it was off a pass from Douglas. He changed direction after he picked up his dribble and laid it in. He’s also eurostepped his way in the lane plenty times in previous games.

You can eurostep out first then go in off the correct foot in towards the hoop. And I’m not claiming the eurostep was “Made in Europe”, I just call it that because it’s popular there.