Walsh And Other Plans

by Tommy Dee on April 13th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

Chris Sheridan, the fine ESPN writer, offered this a little while back and something struck me as a bit odd.

Via ESPNNY-

“…It’s when you look beyond that plan — and whether it succeeds or fails — that you run into the brick wall of mystery when quizzing Knicks president Donnie Walsh about the myriad possibilities.

There are so many of them, plus so many other variables still to be determined between now and July 1, that there really isn’t yet a Plan B, a Plan C or a Plan D firmly in place…

…One of the biggest questions is this: What is Plan B if that certain Clevelander decides to stay home or sign with another team with max space, be it the Heat, the Nets or even the Clippers?

“I’m not telling any plans. I’m not doing that,” Walsh said. “But look, there’s going to be Plan A, B, C, D, E, F and so on. It’s going to be like that.

“I’m not going to write ‘em out, no, but they’re written out in my head,” Walsh said…”

Is it me or did Walsh seem confident that other plans are in place? Even though the story leads one to believe there isn’t? Let’s let Walsh address plan A and go from there.

The plans, the way I see it, consist of the flexibility with being under the cap and that includes trades. In being under the cap, the Knicks don’t have to match salaries in any deal. So yeah, I’d expect Walsh to have all his ducks in a row when July 1st hits. Sounds like he’s ready to pounce. He’s been planning it for two years.

So when people talk about “backup” plans, a notion I’ve been asked a million times, I’m quite certain all the bases will be covered.

  • traps9

    Make that Plan B Chris Paul and now we’re talkin lol

  • NYK5150

    With all that cap space my friends, im not worried. The GM doesn’t get paid to sit on his arse all day. Listen, he has to offer it up to Lebron first thing, by default. But he aint comin here, so plans B through Z will be in order.

  • http://www.reeltalkblog.com Shakespeare

    IDK Y’ALL…..i’m starting to get a STRONG gut feeling that lebron will re-sign w/ the CAVS for a 2yr w/ a player option for a 3rd….whether he wins a title this yr or not….i think he reallllllly wants to bring a championship to cleveland, and if he doesn’t this yr, he’s going back, and if he does win, he’s going to want to try and repeat…..BUT I THINK AFTER THAT CONTRACT IS UP, HE’S DEF GOING ELSE WHERE….

    I TRULY THINK HE’S INTRIGUED BY THE BROOKLYN NYETS…as hard as it is for me to say that…especially if they happen to draft his boy John Wall, that’s about to sign to his marketing firm…..i think he wants to see how that arena looks, in 2-3yrs, and it will be btw NY n BK in 2012/2013… :(

    but i do think we may get joe johnson n chris bosh, along w/ Marcus camby…
    td/s-rod
    joe johnson/chandler
    gallo/walker
    boshorlee
    camby/barron

    i dnt think we’ll be a contender next yr, but def a top6playoff team….

  • joetheknick

    Walsh has been talking to agents and general managers for the past two years. He knows what they are thinking. He knows who wants to deal and who doesn’t. I believe he has a good idea as to what the market will be for Lee. I believe Lee may remain a Knick. Walsh probably knows the GM’s who will be dumping salary. In short, he know and we do not. Our ideas of who should be signed is pure speculation. He has done his due diligence and knows what to expect.

  • Kwayry

    Do you think Walsh would have said, there is no plan B or C, I have none?
    We are making a big deal of something that ain’t there. what was he supposed to say?
    “Well chris, this is a crapshoot. if Lebron does not sign here, we will just wait until somebody else decides to sign here. We did what we could and got the cap space, the rest is wait and see. So no I have no plans B, C, D and so on.”

    The best part of all this is this line:
    “I’m not going to write ‘em out, no, but they’re written out in my head,”
    Really? Written in your head, where exactly?
    Oh, you mean as in you will remember them, What if your forget, you know given the age and stuff …

    Just a reminder that the Knicks traded 3 potential lottery picks to get rid of 9 million in 2010 cap space. We were also told, repeatedly, by Mr Dee that Lebron was definitely coming here and the main driver for the trade was the ability to slide a second max contract to Lebron to pick a running mate.
    The suspsense is killing me.

  • bob go knicks

    how many times a week do you and Lebron speak? I mean if he gave you the impression that hes intrigued by the nets

  • Jack D

    I have that same feeling that he’s gonna sign a 2-3 year deal with Clevland. Then for another 2 years we’ll be talking about the chance of him coming here. The Nets will probably be a more attractive team than us in 2-3 years, especially if they draft Wall imo.

  • joetheknick

    I don’t remember Mr Dee or anybody else saying that Lebron was coming here. How did he or anybody else know? Does Lebron know where he is going? Is he telling? Isn’t it all speculation?

  • DwaneT

    When my brothers gang was picking with some old dudes around the neighborhood, they gave them some advice that I never forgot. They said youngbloods, there’s old dudes and there’s dead dudes. The old dudes knew and did something the dead dudes didn’t, that’s why we got old. If you’re not careful, you’ll mess with us long enough to find out what that is…

    …and with that in mind, I don’t put anything past Donnie. He has been around too long to not have multiple scenarios running through his head. He has connections he doesn’t talk about (because he never talks about anything really). I wouldn’t put it past him to have some side deals in place. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprise if Jordan Hill made it back this way. I haven’t posted any dream scenarios of teams because their are too many to call. The fact that we showcased Earl Baron and Bill Walker gives us two more pieces that can be used or trades, and I don’t believe it was an accident that Baron was brought in at the end of the season. Being a GM is not an exact science, and Donnie didn’t get old in the business by being scared or careless.

  • trenttucker

    Good post.

  • trenttucker

    Your “brother’s gang picking with some old dudes”? “Youngbloods”? I’m picturing a hot summer day in the Bronx in, say, 1971? Am I right or am I right?

  • fauci933

    All this talk of trading for Paul…I had a dream last night sitting courtside at the Garden when Paul throws that first alley-oop to LeBron who throws it down and the roof explodes off the Garden. It was one of those dreams where I woke up in a sweat. I don’t know how likely it is, but if we can swing a trade for CP3, no matter who we give up, I will literally cry tears of joy.

  • oscar f

    Yeah i finally got a chance to post this . READ THIS! This is based in speculation about if other teams would have a better package than the knicks for CP3. First off lets eliminate scenario’s about trades that wont include saving major$$$ and tradeds that include pg’s . If NO are moving CP3 it’s to save money and move foward with thier up and coming pg who makes only a little over a mil per. So scenario’s with Devin Harris, and Westbrook just don’t make sense. Teams with cap space would be the main target for NO if they want to save money. There is no way I mean no way NO will get equall talent for Chris Paul. The knicks are in a special situation where they have about 32 mil in cap space and an 11 mil expiring to work with. The knicks can possibly save NO $33mil in cap space over 2 seasons and gain them 23 mil in cap space for the 2011 season. From that season on Granger,Melo,and Horford could be FA’s. If the knicks move Chandler,TD, and Curry thats about 13 mil in salary per for CP3 and Okafur which is about 23 mil in salary No would save 10 mil that season and 23 the following season. when Peja’s contract expires NO would have about 36 mil in cap space to spend. In addition to that the knicks could throw in the 2014 first round completely unprotected and I think that makes it a deal breaker. No other team has a better offer .Only miami and the nets come close and I will return to show how the knicks trump them and how it wouldn’t make sense for NO to trade with them. I will be back later on.

  • fauci933

    I don’t think LeBron wants to jump around teams. I think he wants to build a legacy and become the face and savior of a city. Whether that city is Cleveland or NY is one thing, but I don’t think he’ll sign on to play two more years in Cleveland then bail to go the Nets or whoever else. I think LeBron wants to cement himself in one city and build a Jordan-esque legacy (minus the Wizards part).

  • gbaked

    they did not trade 3 potential lottery picks to get rid of 9 million in 2010 cap space.

    please enplane how that can happen.

  • gbaked

    explain

  • fauci933

    Awful post. You really think that Walsh is “just saying he has a plan B” to appease the media? Are you kidding me? Plus, we all have tons of ideas as to what the Knicks could do as a backup plan, and I don’t have ‘em written down, do you? Quit it with this old age bullsh*t, the guy’s not even 70 yet, he doesn’t have Alzheimer’s, he is plenty capable of maintaining ideas.

    Also enough with the picks already. Hill was a lottery pick fine, 2012 will most likely not be a lotto pick, and the 2011 swap probably won’t happen since Kevin Martin and Yao Ming are probably both gonna be out for the season because that’s what they’re best at….getting injured, and we’ll probably have a better record.

    Oh, and no one ever said “LeBron is coming here” and if you really try to claim that anyone who writes articles (not comments) on this blog proclaimed that LeBron will be a Knick…then that’s just ridiculous.

  • fauci933

    Haha yea I didn’t know where that post was going with that gang analogy at first, but I agree wholeheartedly with your point. Donnie knows what he is doing, he’s been in the game long enough and wasn’t brought here for no reason. If after the summer, our team still sucks, then maybe his time is done, but I don’t think that is what’s going to happen.

  • blackwood

    Yea I gave those numbers (as far as 2 years savings for no yesterday)

    But read this!!! It gets no more honest on the truth of donnie and his bad job!!

    http://www.knicksfanaticsblog.com/2010-articles/april/has-donnie-walshs-out-done-isiah-thomas-yet.html

  • x-man

    Walsh can always execute Plan #1C which is fire this awful coach. There’s no excuse because it’s all in his hands.

    If we don’t get a star pt guard like CP3, it’s mostly downhill anyway because LBJ isn’t coming.

  • JaymanJD

    Tommy tell us knicks fans why this year will be any different than the past 40. All of a sudden the Knicks will get it. Seeing is believing with this team. The fact that they have a lot of cap space does nothing to encourage me. IT only means they could mess up the knicks worse costing them another 10 year of either horrible basketball or almost as worse MEDIOCRITY. For the past 40 years this team has given New York either Terrible or Mediocrity and two shots at Greatness which were failed. But Tommy is right all the bases are covered even if they are all hidden land mines. People have to realize that walsh has just as much a chance of making this team good again as he does setting this fanchise back another 40. Remember, the Houston signing remember the Mcdyess trade, remember the Glenn Rice trade, remember not drafting Artest, and REmember not drafting JENNINGS!! And tell me this what did walsh actually bring to Indiana besides Mediocrity in his time there. To me the more choices are involved the more likely the Knicks will mess it up. What did walsh say about Jennings he didn’t really know that much about him hahaha yeah walsh has all his bases covered we can all relax.

  • x-man

    Thx Blackwood! that was a great read! Most of it was surely on pt!

    Walsh had better do his magic come this summer! Firing this coach would go a long way with me for starters!

  • rmccarthy10

    “..Walsh has been talking to agents and general managers for the past two years. He knows what they are thinking….”

    =-=-=-=-

    No doubt!!… We are talking about essentially rebuilding a company that generates hundredes of millions of dollars. There is collusion, off-line discussions, and hand shake promises that ALWAYS go one when brokering deals that carry such finanical magnitude. I am sure he knows at least 10 scenarios that play out with or w/o Lebron. There are rules in place (albeit fairly ignored) that prohibit courting a player who is in mid-contract. That being said, this is ignored all the time…but you can;t come right out and say “well so and so’s agent promised us he would demand a trade ….” Perhaps this is a bit extreme but you have to assume Walsh has talked to 50 agents and GM’s over the past 2 years in preparation of July 2010. there’s simply too much at stake to have 1 or 2 game plans.

    I bet there is even already a clear plan for 2011 when Curry comes off the books and another crop of free agents are available.

  • trenttucker

    Three lottery picks:

    1) Jordan Hill
    2) The 2012 pick — could be a lottery pick
    3) The swap of the 2011 pick — it could be that the Knicks swap what is a lotttery pick for the Rocket’s pick, which may not be a lottery pick

    That’s three!

  • oscar f

    He doesn’t have to fire the coach( it would be nice though),just show that he is in charge and hire a defensive coach despite what D’antoni thinks. His stance should be that the org is bigger than the coach and that winning is the most important thing. Stars need to know this about an org. before joining.

  • http://www.reeltalkblog.com Shakespeare

    well bob, he’s already stated, BROOKLYN is his favorite borough, he’s best friends w/ Jay-Z, jus signed john wall to his marketing team…..if he wants to finish what he’s started in Cleveland bring them a chip n them go elsewhere, like someone stated below, they are more attractive than we are, w/ harris, lee, lopez, t-will, and possibly JOHN WALL….is that enough words out LEBRON’S mouth for u????

  • fauci933

    “This is very telling given New York is one of Nash’s homes.”

    What does that mean, ‘one of his homes’? I think Canada is his home. Maybe Phoenix gets the 1a slot.

    “Kobe Bryant signing a three-year extension with the Lakers quickly ending the ludicrous notion amongst some fans that the Knicks could attract him and LeBron.”

    Maybe only delusional, casual fans; but has anyone on this blog ever said anything like this. The idea of Kobe playing with LeBron was absurd and everyone here knows it.

    “The 2010 pick was traded by Isiah Thomas six years ago and because of various protections in previous years is unprotected this year and has been made significantly more valuable by the Knicks’ horrible season under Walsh”

    This is ludicrous…don’t condemn Walsh because the Knicks made this pick a lottery pick. Our team could never have been talented enough to make this a non-lottery pick.

    “Walsh has been busy suggesting that he must make up for the loss of Hill in the lopsided trade somewhere down the line of future transactions.”

    Yea, everyone knew it was lopsided, its called risk-reward. We took a big risk in doing that trade, but sometimes big risks have to be made for big rewards.

    Who on the list of Isiah’s acquisitions is good? What does that list prove? Yea Ariza was good, but oh, he traded him away. Jerome James, Marbury, Curry, Steve Francis, Q Rich, black hole version of Z-Bo, Channing Frye?! The only two guys’ names on that list that are at all respectable (besides Ariza) are Chandler, Robinson and Lee, who everyone here hates. Yea, wonderful job making your argument “LivesinNewJersey”.

    Zach Randolph may have found a spot on a team with much better players, and may have finally matured, but this is the Randolph we had:

    http://www.prefixmag.com/forum/prefix-forum/399/

    All this article proves is that some people have different opinions. This guy spun everything in the wrong direction. I know it hasn’t been the prettiest two years, but let’s wait until this summer and see what Donnie pulls out of his sleeve. If it’s nothing and our team still sucks, fine I’ll concede. But until the summer, articles like this are just people who are hating way too early. Condemn me if you want for trying to believe in my GM, but I signed on for this plan, and I will wait until the time when results are expected, and that is July.

  • Mucha

    Donnie Walsh MUST have a back-up plan. He’s one of the most respected GM’s in the league, I think he knows what he’s doing. But the Knicks better have a top 10 player in the league + Danilo Gallinari + a solid 2nd/3rd option in 2011.

  • fauci933

    Link’s video doesn’t work, but if you google “zach randolph w…” google will fill it in with “worst possession ever”

  • DwaneT

    LOL you’re close! It was a hot summer day on in Hempstead, LI about 1973… but the fought some brothers from the Bronx. LOL

  • http://theKnicksBlog.com Tommy Dee

    The only thing i can do is tell you that I’ve spoken to Walsh off the record, and on, more than several times. Anyone who thinks the game has passed him by because of his age has no clue what they are talking about.

    You HAVE to put the franchise in a situation, financially, in a position to have conversations with the best free agent class of all time. Especially when you think of where they were, the time is now to start over and rebuild. Not for next year, but for the next 5-10 years.

    Walsh has done that.

    Let’s just wait and see what happens. It’s a gamble what he’s done, but they can start from scratch.

    That’s exciting.

    I know basketball. I believed that the team could compete this year. I didn’t factor in enough the concept that the team had no leadership and too many players with cloudy NBA futures.

    But I’ll say this- I’m comfortable with where they are at and two years ago I never saw a light at the end of the tunnel.

    That’s exciting.

  • fauci933

    “coulds” are just as valuable as “ifs” around here. He traded one definite lottery pick.

  • Mucha

    Indiana? Mediocrity?

    Mediocrity defined the Pacers after Donnie Walsh left.

  • fauci933

    Wholeheartedly agree.

  • http://www.youtube.com/tharealest62qb DaGawD_KnowLedge

    yo X
    how bout those jets?
    making moves they most likely going to be the favorite to win it next year…

  • fauci933

    Apparently not winning championships equals mediocrity. Donnie was GM during the Jordan era, it wasn’t exactly easy to make it out of the East. That team crumbled when he left.

  • Mucha

    I agree. Even if Donnie Walsh fails, at least Donnie Walsh TRIED. He made a couple of bad mistakes (passing on Brandon Jennings being the biggest one) but I respect the plan and I respect his vision.

  • http://www.youtube.com/tharealest62qb DaGawD_KnowLedge

    good article nothing i didn’t know but it’s great to read what u already knew sometimes…
    goodluck donnie.

    “back to back 50 lose seasons not even zeke could accomplish that”

  • Kwayry

    On the picks, you used the following:
    “2012 will most likely not be a lotto pick”.
    “the 2011 swap probably won’t happen”.
    “and we’ll probably have a better record. ”
    You stated nothing definite. It is still my opinion that those picks are potential lottery picks. They are potential until proven otherwise. If this is too much for you to process, figure out what the word “potential” means and go from there.

    “Oh, and no one ever said “LeBron is coming here” and if you really try to claim that anyone who writes articles (not comments) on this blog proclaimed that LeBron will be a Knick…then that’s just ridiculous.”
    Really? Where have you been the last couple years, in a cave?

    Google can get you whatever you want, but you are too lazy to find out before you look like an idiot.
    http://www.theknicksblog.com/2010/03/03/more-lebron-talk/

  • young hova

    I’m one who thinks Donnie has done a great job with cutting salary (for obvious reasons) but hasn’t added anything in terms of building for the future other than Gallo, but this article twist things so much it is ridiculous. How can the guy mention all the players Isiah got then he proceeded to trade away. Or how with the great Zack Randolph and Crawford the Knicks ended up with 23 wins the year before he was fired. I mean Walsh hasn’t been good at much besides dumping salary but that article was awfully written in terms of fact. And the Nash comment was beyond idiotic. So a 35 year old guy who just had the worst year of his career signs an extension with the team that he has had his best years with and who has a miracle healing well in their arena and it is because he doesn’t think the Knicks are worth it? I mean talk about bending the fact to fit your own agenda

  • jgilch82

    +1
    no … actually +1000 tommy D
    no matter what people here think about Donnie, he is known as a well respected GM in the NBA who has a clue about what he is doing ….
    the thought that this man traded away multiple first round picks while crossing his fingers that LBJ might want to play here is LUNACY …..
    he has without a doubt heard through back channels that LBJ will seriously consider NYC at the very least ..
    and if he does not sign here-the thought that Donnie will shout out “ohhhhhh noooo shit what do i do nowwwww, i didnt plan for this!!!” is just as IDIOTIC

  • http://www.youtube.com/tharealest62qb DaGawD_KnowLedge

    here is something no1 has thought about so far.

    what donnie traded this past deadline add a gallo or chandler an some other players an thats a solid trade for cp3..

  • fauci933

    Agreed. That article was ridiculous. I hope Donnie succeeds this summer for two reasons now: for the Knicks to get that much better, and so all these haters will climb back into their holes. If he fails, then you guys win and I’ll concede and admit he effed up. But at least he’d have tried and failed.

  • fauci933

    I agree with most of that, except I don’t think he’s necessarily heard any inside information. I just think that he knows what’s available this summer, and if the Knicks didn’t have a shot at it, he wouldn’t have been able to live with himself. The 2011 FA class, while nice, is not nearly as deep as this one, and while many of you seem content to have waited past this season, I wasn’t, and I’m glad Donnie has us in the position to make moves.

  • vinrummy

    Agreed.

    The 2003-04, 2004-05 Indiana Pacers were a legit contender in the Eastern Conference and it was all ruined by the Malice at the Palace.

    Walsh was a risk-taker, making aggressive trades that went against the NBA grain at the time…probably knowing fully well that he’d never be able to get top-level free agent to come play there.

    He made some bad trades and gave some bad contracts sure, but that entire era in the NBA was a time when GMs/presidents were rampantly overspending and making short-sighted moves.

    I will most definitely give Donnie Walsh the benefit of the doubt. He’s generally made shrewd moves, is well-respected and has never been in a situation like this where he’s running a flagship team with the deepest pockets and the ability to SPEND.

  • bob go knicks

    NO! If it comes from a sports reporters pen,that aint enough for me to “think hes truly intrigued”

  • Kwayry

    And if the gamble fails, well it was exciting and the draft picks are gone.
    But don’t let me interrupt the feel good discussion. Everything will “probably” turnout well. the Knicks will “most likely” sign a max free agent or 2. The team will “probably” be a playoff team. Or if they can’t, they have the “flexibility” of signing a max contract in 2011. Things are just exciting to be able to dream big.

  • trenttucker

    That’s pretty cool.

  • trenttucker

    And the coach was Rick Carlisle. Who Donnie should have signed instead of D’Antoni. But he went all in for Lebron/Wade because of D’Antoni’s relationships with them. So if there’s not Lebron/Wade, Donnie has screwed up. Carlisle is much better.

  • bb_dot

    Those who think that anything but LeBron or Wade will be a failure need to wake up and smell reality. I will be very disappointed if we don’t get LeBron, but to make it sound like it’s Walsh’s fault is plain ridiculous. This is a business and you put yourself in the position to make the best deal possible. if you don’t do that , then you have failed. If you do and circumstances do not work in your favor you go to the next best solution. That’s what a manager is supposed to do. Of course Walsh is not going to say out loud what Plan B or C will be. That would be a moronic business move! Plan B and C are contingent on so many things that will be shifting around in the first few days of free agency. Only an amateur would lock himself down now and then having to backtrack or worse, having to lure people to the Knicks they earlier characterized as B or C.

  • fauci933

    Yea obviously it’s not definite, but neither is the idea that they’re lottery picks. Nothing’s definite. You can call them potential lottery picks the same way I can call them potential non-lottery picks. Potential implies not definite, and if that’s too much for YOU to process, I suggest you think a bit more before typing your next post.

    Do you even read the articles, or do you just comment blindly? Tommy doesn’t say anywhere in that one or any other article that “LeBron is definitely coming to NY” He gives reasons why he thinks he should come, and reasons why it would make sense, he even gives reasons sometimes for why it doesn’t make sense. Read the article you posted and show me where he proclaims for sure that LBJ is coming here. He’s a hot topic yea, one that I have discussed often on here, that doesn’t mean anyone ever said he was a lock to be in NY.

    The end of that article reads: “Who is it going to be? Just like everyone else, I can’t say for sure but it’s going to be someone who has those qualities.”

    Google can get you whatever you want, but you are too lazy to read it before you look like an idiot.

    “We were also told, repeatedly, by Mr Dee that Lebron was definitely coming here…” – INCORRECT

    Read your own statement before you try to prove yourself correct.

  • fauci933

    My bad with the bold, obviously a mistake.

  • fauci933

    It’s cool if you want to be a pessimist about this and bank our future on draft picks that may or may not pan out either. I guess I wouldn’t mind a team made up of players like Michael Beasley, Darko Milicic, Adam Morrison, Shelden Williams, Patrick O’Bryant, Ike Diogu, Sean May, Fran Vazquez, Rafael Araujo, Sebastian Telfair, Luke Jackson, Michael Sweetney, Dajuan Wagner, Nikoloz Tskitishvili, Kwame Brown, Kedrick Brown, Rodney White, and hell even Eddy Curry. The draft does always produce such amazing talent, why would we take a chance on a group of players who are proven winners, an includes two game-changers, when we could take a chance on such amazing young talents that always pan out.

  • DVJ

    Man I’m about to shed a tear.

    The positivity here is almost overwhelming. I knew it was just a matter of time before it started to come out.

    Walsh has put us in the best position going forward. We don’t have a pick this year thanks to you know who. We do have a pick next year and we don’t have a pick in 2012. 2012 is 2 years from now. That’s after this historical free agent class of 2010 and next summers great class. If the Knicks still suck after having all this money than Walsh needs to be fired. I think we won’t be a lottery team in 2012 so the Rockets would be getting a pick in the 25 after range.

    If that cap comes back at like $55 – $56 million…it would be a beautiful summer.

  • HaS

    I say they should start “if” at the point and “could” in the post. “Maybe” can be our sharpshooter and “probably” can provide the intangibles. “Would” can bring the energy and scoring off the bench.

    The Knicks are set next year. Eastern Conference Finals here we come!

    GO KNICKS!

  • traps9

    !!!!!!

    I mean, I know it’s not gonna happen. You know what I mean, right? But, if we could… Paul and LeBron… Just. Yeah, it’s pretty much joyous tears at that point. It’s been such a sucky period that can’t we just all dream until the dream falls apart?

  • Mucha

    Carlisle is one of my favorite coaches in the NBA.

  • fauci933

    Yay it’s HaS with his hilarious little quips, I was beginning to think you wouldn’t make it to this thread. It’s a blog on the internet, anything we say is speculation and it’s all ifs, coulds, and maybes. Every single thing we argue is all speculation, because until the summer passes, no one knows what will have come of the DW era. So hate all you want, but I’m going to wait till all is said and done, before I either admit DW effed us and set us back a few more years or rub it in everyone’s faces who hated on him.

  • Boots

    I guess that you must be very young to think that a person’s age is a valid argument against their ability to remember or function with executive acumen.

    Believr it or not, there are many CEO inthrie 60s, 70s, and even their 80s taking their younger competition to the cleaners.

    Ageism is just as much a form of prejudice as racism, sexism, religion, or any other bias.

    Judge a person on his or her performance, not age.

    What have you accomplished with your gift of youth that you can knock another person’s age?

  • Boots

    Good post!

  • DVJ

    Omeka Okafur is signed for 5 more years!!!
    I can’t believe some people sit here and say that Walsh has crippled the franchise for the next 4-5 years by trading draft picks and those same people want to take on Okafurs contract just to get Chris Paul. No way, that would really be crippling the franchise for the next half decade.

    Thanks but no thanks.

  • HaS

    2 and a half months more of this sh**?

    I can’t wait until al this BS is over for better or worse, hopefully better. I can’t take much more of the scrotum polishing going on in here.

  • HaS

    So what do you think he should do?

    And try to be somewhat realistic, please.

  • fauci933

    I’m not sure if this is what you meant by scrotum polishing, but I don’t see why, after a ten year crap shute, we can’t be hopeful because DW has at least put us in a position to legitimately turn the franchise around. Whatever happened in the past is just that, the past. Right now, I don’t see what’s so wrong with trying to believe in an accomplished GM, after we’ve had two of the worst GM’s in league history.

  • HaS

    “Yay it’s HaS with his hilarious little quips”

    Thanks for being a fan 8)

    “So hate all you want, but I’m going to wait till all is said and done, before I either admit DW effed us and set us back a few more years or rub it in everyone’s faces who hated on him.”

    What are you, his son?

    Why is questioning anything he’s done (he himself has admitted his own mistakes and I respect that) categorized as “hate”?

    If I dislike anything it’s people who automatically crown Walsh as the best GM to every put on a pair of dress pants. Or equate him to God with the “In Walsh We Trust” rhetoric.

    If he’s able to magically put a team together from the ashes of MSG then I’ll tip my hat and be the first to shake his hand if I meet him.

    SMH at “hate” lol.

  • DVJ

    “So what do you think he should do?”

    That’s easy…just don’t make that trade with the Hornets. We’re not a salary dumping ground anymore for these other teams. If we can’t get Paul then we can’t get Paul. Let’s wait and see how this draft shakes out. It’ll be interesting to see who gets the #1 pick. What if it’s a team with a legit starting pg like the Nets, Jazz or Warriors. Will they look to trade their current PG’s then draft Wall? Let’s see how the plan plays out.

  • DVJ

    There’s nothing wrong with it fauci….don’t worry, pretty soon he’ll be on board once we bring in some real ball players this summer.
    The Knicks will be relevant again next year and we all know this.

  • DVJ

    What happens if Minny wins the draft and they select John Wall..will they then look to move Rubio for a cheap 3 man that can score (Chandler)? There are a lot of options that will present themselves in the upcoming months. We will be players in all the offseason moves this year because we have the flexibility that Donnie created. Sign and trades, free agent signings, purchasing draft picks (since Isiah gave ours away), we have a huge expiring contract in Curry that can help another team and their fledgling bottom line. We have it all!!!! Now it’s up to Donnie to put the pieces of the puzzle together.

    Stay Patient My Friends

  • bb_dot

    “2 and a half months more of this sh**?”

    really? Isn’t this the best part of blogging.. wild and rampant speculation..love it!

  • Qaspec

    Don’t take it so personally Boots. Sounds like somebody put their teeth in backwards this morning.

  • BigDaddybluesman

    Drink of thee cup…….for it contains magical mystical powers.

    The kool aid only wears off if you stop drinking it.

    When you stop everything becomes clear and what you see is the truth. Until then you will be blinded by the smoke and mirrors.

    The bullshit you hear is like the sirens singing to Odysseus.

  • Qaspec

    Woody Johnson better hope he isn’t becoming the new Dan Snyder.

  • Mucha

    And that’s probably not enough capspace for another significant FA signing – unless the Hornets were willing to absorb Eddy Curry’s contract which is highly unlikely.

  • Mucha

    But he’s right.

  • Boots

    My teeth are my own. I just get pissed off at any form of prejudice, and ageism is rampant.

    Somebody has to stand up for the geezers among us. :-)

  • BigTyme

    @DWYANE-T THOSE WORDS ARE THE MOST PROLIFIC AND PROFOUND WORDS TH AT I HAVE READ ALL SEASON…..IT APPLIES TO BOTH LIFE AND BUSINESS DEALINGS…TRENTTUCKER GOT IT…I HOPE EVERYONE ELSE COULD APPLY THAT TO DIFF FAUCETS OF THEIR LIVES AS WELL….GREAT POST!!!

  • fauci933

    Don’t have to be his son just because I’m backing him. And “hate” is not meant to be used in its purest form, but rather s a euphemism for overly criticizing. I don’t see anyone crowning him the king of GM’s either, except for maybe DVJ in some posts, but even then he can be considered as just hopeful. I think using the phrases “hate” and “crowning him the best GM ever and equating him to God” are both exaggerations, just used from either side of the plate.

  • HaS

    *blank stare*

    Somehow you always get out of answering a direct question, L. Ron Hubbard style.

    I’m sure whatever Donnie does you’ll say it was the best plan ever. Never mind, man,

  • HaS

    Unless we are licensed contractors I don’t know why we would applying anything to different “faucets” of our lives.

    No shots.

  • BigTyme

    I think knicks missed it by choosing Barron over Greg Steimsma….Barran is a nice player, but not really aggressive with a .77 blk per game avg. and Steimsma averaged 9 pts, 7 rebs and 3.50 blks per game…Minny just signed him for the remainder of the season….may be 2 serviceable bigs they steal from us…..SHAUN LIVINGSTON IS A MUST SIGN, AT LEAST FOR THE SUMMER CAMP; DUDE IS FINALLY HEALTHY AGAIN AND LOOKS GREAT!!! WE CAN SAVE A TON OF MONEY IF HE TURNS OUT TO BE THE GUY!

  • BigTyme

    @HaS I knew I used the wrong spelling, but said ‘screw it’, who would be so cheesy to call me out on that……….now I know………HaS!!! LMAO nice one! HA!

  • HaS

    I refuse to get my hopes up to only be have my dreams crushed.

    You guys have your method of dealing with all the waiting, I have my own.

    I’ll wait until the ink dries, thanks.

  • Kwayry

    SMH at your comments.
    You go from
    to claim that anyone who writes articles on this blog proclaimed that LeBron will be a Knick…then that’s just ridiculous.
    To:
    “Tommy doesn’t say anywhere in that one or any other article that “LeBron is definitely coming to NY”

    Your second post conceded that Mr Dee did proclaim that Lebron will be a Knick, contradicting your first post. Make up your mind lad.

    Mr Dee stated the following on 03/03/2010
    “James, in my opinion, could be the greatest player of all time. He’s by far the best player at age 25 in NBA history. He does everything. He’s obviously who I want and, again, I still think he’s coming here.

  • Kwayry

    I am on the wrong side of 40, if you call that young, thanks.
    Forget the fake rectitude, why did Walsh feel the need to add that line? Who is going to ask him to show proof that these plans are written up somewhere? I will gladly admit that I may be completely off, but you have to admit it is a peculiar quote.

  • HaS

    “I think using the phrases “hate” and “crowning him the best GM ever and equating him to God” are both exaggerations, just used from either side of the plate.”

    Ok then, you started it.

    I’m telling Mister Walsh!

  • JaymanJD

    I knew it, some one would drop the Jordan EXCUSE BOMB!! get over it. First, of all the Pacers couldn’t beat the Knicks. They only did so ONCE. It was not Jordan who got in their way it was the Knicks. So yes they were Mediocre. And now one of you will say hey walsh drafted Miller. Miller is probably one of the most overrated SG in NBA history who will make the Hall Fame simply on hype and being an A hole to knicks fans. Look at the stats this dude is not a Hall of Famer. But i move off topic.

    Mucha- Are you kidding me “Even if he fails at least he tried” hahaha yeah all the other GMs did not try. They wanted to lose their jobs and be a disgrace. Trying is not good enough in this business you got to win and you got to make good decisions. And you respect his vision. Please tell me what that vision is besides clearing cap space. If that vision is anything like what he brought to the Pacer no thank you. 40 years is enough we should all be craving Greatness this is NY Baby!! This is the home of Champions not Contenders. Walsh has already made two huge mistakes that could cost this Team for years. First, he allowed D’Antoni to Coach this team. And Second, he fell asleep on Jennings.

  • HaS

    LOL

    All in fun holmes.

  • fauci933

    I thought he answered the question you posed as it pertained to the situation he commented on. He said we could see who gets John Wall and if it’s a team with a serviceable PG already, we can make a trade for that PG with Chandler. Like with Rubio or Devin Harris.

    Now I don’t necessarily agree because I would wear a Phillies hat and an Eagles jersey to a Giants game if it meant getting Chris Paul on the Knicks. But I think he answered the question; he doesn’t want to take on a huge contract for Paul, he’d rather try to get another young point for just Chandler.

    LOL @ the L. Ron Hubbard thing though that sh*t was funny.

  • fauci933

    You sure participate in these discussions a lot for someone who claims they “can’t take much more of this sh*t”

    Admit it, it’s like a car wreck…you gotta look.

  • fauci933

    Putting “faucets” in quotations was kind of a shot. You could’ve just written facets.

  • HaS

    Read below.

    MYOB.

  • HaS

    Nah, more like spoiled milk.

    I’ll just look at the date, no ned to taste it or smell it for that matter.

  • BiggieSmalls

    While i genuinely hate what this “coach” brings to the table I think I have been relatively optimistic regarding the chances of Lebron coming to us this summer. I give it a 50/50 shot .. and that is the prime reason why i signed up for the 2010 plan

    i objectively disagree with a number of the moves Donnie has made in his tenure but am reasonably happy he is here. He is better than a lot of the alternatives. Though not my first Choice (that was Colangelo) I think he brings credibility to the front office and if Dolan trusts him enough to keep his fat azzz out of the kitchen than so be it..

    But the fact of the matter is this is ALL about July 2010 and bringing a LEGITIMATE Super Hero star to the team and a “Robin” to the Batman Donnie must get somehow.. someway..

    Any result that does not include a Legit game changing Super Star is a disappointment of Epic proportions — a failure n the”plan”/. Will Donnie get another bite at the apple? Probably given Dolan’s penchant to stand by experienced execs (Sather).. So if Donnie doesnt get it done he gets as many tries as he wants but make no mistake.. He is on watch and to talk about 2011 just dismisses the exhorbitant price he paid to be in position THIS year..

    So i sit back and watch playoff basketball that does not include the Knicks and dream about what could be.. Hopefully this summer will bring about a new beginning.. I really hope it does but am cautious in going down that road again

    We’ve ben patient for a long time. It’s time to put up or Shut up.

  • fauci933

    Does anyone else see this? I don’t understand how I contradicted myself. Yea Tommy can “think” anyone is coming here, he never promised it or stated it was a definite. You said Tommy was telling us that “LeBron will definitely be a Knick” That’s not true.

    The first comment I said it’s ridiculous to state anyone who writes articles on this blog claimed LeBron was definitely coming to NY. The second comment I said Tommy never said LeBron was coming to NY. I don’t know where the contradiction is, I guess you’re just interpreting something wrong.

    “We were also told, repeatedly, by Mr Dee that Lebron was definitely coming here”

    This is exactly what you said. All I said, is that Tommy never said LBJ was definitely coming here. Saying “I still think he’ll come” is different then saying “Hey everyone, LeBron is a definite lock for NY”. And he sure doesn’t say it repeatedly.

  • fauci933

    Yea, I’m sure Jennings and Mike D will haunt us for years. The past GM’s made dumb moves and awful trades that they thought would better the team. Donnie was brought in to clean up a mess. He was brought in because the FA class of 2010 was approaching, and EVERYONE in NY wanted a shot at LeBron. After tons of criticism and speculation, Donnie has stuck to his guns and followed through with the plan. The other GM’s weren’t gearing up for anything like this. Everything Donnie has done up to this point, has been with the interest of the 2010 FA’s in mind.

    I’d hate to be your child, because if you think losing in the conference finals consistently is mediocrity, then you have some high expectations. I guess the LeBron’s last year were mediocre. The Pacers lost in the Conf Finals to the Knicks and Magic in 94 and 95, lost the conference finals to the Knicks and BULLS in 98 and 99, and lost in the NBA finals to the Lakers in 2000. That’s not mediocrity, that’s just the fact that there are 1 or 2 better teams than you that year.

    This isn’t a city of champions, the Knicks haven’t won since 1970, the Rangers since 1994, the Mets since 1986. The Giants pulled one out of their asses in 2007 (not playing it down, trust me it was the greatest month of my life), and the Jets, well come on. The only team that wins championships is the Yankees and they do it by BUYING FREE AGENTS WHO THEY ALREADY KNOW CAN CHANGE THE GAME (I know baseball is a bit different but still).

    Also, it’s not if he tried and failed, because trying is an understatement. This is putting your reputation and potentially career on the line to potentially revive a wilting franchise.

  • fauci933

    Haha I saw it, I’m not trying to defend anyone, just saying you can’t technically say no shots when you are in fact taking a shot. I know it’s with no bad intentions, I’m just stating the obvious.

  • fauci933

    Well said.

  • Boots

    Over 40, huh? I remember way back then. I hated when the 20 somethings referred to me as one of the old guys. Now the 40 somethings refer to me as an old guy. (The 80 somethings still call me “sonny boy.”)

    Be careful about ageism my cyber- friend, 40 to 60 can be a sprint, and karma can truly be a bitch.

  • Mucha

    Agreed.

    The Knicks must either sign a superstar in 2010 or build a PLAYOFF TEAM for the 2010-2011 season with enough capspace to make a run at Carmelo Anthony. Chris Paul is another option.

  • blackwood

    What was his plan on draft night? That draft selection and lack of scouting & feel for players let alone for the needs of your team do not give me any reason to think he has it all mapped out. Also he has no claim to 2011 we would of been flush with cash if he never dead a thing! He made his moves for this off season 2010 or he is a failure!!

  • akdrum

    Ya know- Anthony Morrow,Shaun Livingston (back-up), Thabbet(up from the Dleague),CP3 ,Tyrus Thomas,Camby- that doesn’t sound too bad. I’ll take that-Id trade Gallo in a heartbeat -LBJ ain’t coming…maybe if they win in the Finals- but I don’t see them getting past Orlando. BTW-sadly to say.. Knick season is over,who are we rooting for in the playoffs? any suggestions…OKC? Blazers?…dunno

  • DwaneT

    If you build it, they will come. if we put together a competetive supporting cast with cap space, you stand a great chance of getting a superstar next year. It’s not over evenif we don’t get LeBron, Wade or Bosh. The bottom line is, unless two of them sign with the same team, at least two of them “aren’t” winning a championship next year. And there is still no guarantee that any of them will regardless of where they sign. That isn’t to say that this summer isn’t important… it definitely is. But Malone, Stockton, Barkley, Patrick, and a bunch of great players never won a championship. I can’t beleive we have to have “that guy” to win…. ’cause two years from now there will be some more “that guys” that these guys have to play against.

  • blackwood

    And donnie has accomplished what in his 80 years as a GM? He has what to show for all this genius & magical juju of his? Feel free to drink any cool-aid flavor you like it is your right, I just ask for some clarity on what your premise that he has a handle on things comes from?

    Pick a forward when you need a PG with your LOTTERY pick, then paint him as Amare like only so the master mind of a coach that you hired to glue him to the bench! All that to make him a throw in on a dumb ass trade to clear extra cap space. That small sample of his GM thus far instills very little faith.

  • Hydr0

    or even worse, the new al davis lol

  • blackwood

    My pleasure man, just want my fellow Knick fans to see facts not hype and spin! This guy has not been the second coming by any stretch of the imagination!!

    If your a Jets fan like me then we both know what a REAL GM can do!!!
    J-E-T-S baby!!!

  • Hydr0

    you suck fauci933

    no shots.

    lol

    it’s kind of like saying “with all due respect” right before you trash someone lol

  • blackwood

    I respect your right to believe in this guy if you like, I just go by the facts of his actions as the GM here.

    You went from saying “This guy spun everything in the wrong direction”

    Then you say “Yea Ariza was good, but oh, he traded him away”

    You just spun that trade and did what you claim he did. Ariza was traded because Larry Brown was demanding we get Steve Francis!! If you where a Knick fan at that time you know that to be true.

    In the end as I said it is your right to believe in this guy if you like but just remember blind faith will keep you from seeing the truth when it is looking you in the face.

  • fauci933

    Haha yea, it makes it sound even worse in that case.

    “With all due respect, you’re an idiot.”

    Just harsh lol

  • blackwood

    What about Kidd saying hell no as well as Grant Hill?? These guys can see the writing on the wall with MD & donnie.

  • blackwood

    Tommy you did not know 2 years ago that all our big contracts expired in 2011?? That was always the light at the end of the tunnel for me.

  • blackwood

    Wait “Donnie has stuck to his guns and followed through with the plan”????

    He said the plan was to remain competitive & to build a core to make the team more attractive to 2010 FA’s!!

    So you are ether saying he was lying to the fans when he said that or he did not know what he was saying or doing when he mapped that out? So which is it because that was also part of his plan as explained by him when he got here.

    Selective amnesia can be a motha fuka!!

  • fauci933

    I know what happened with Ariza, I’m just saying he doesn’t really count as an Isiah era player since he was barely here.

    I have admitted things can go very wrong this summer and said I will be the first to admit Donnie blew it if, in fact, he does blow it. However, I don’t think it is blind faith, since Walsh is an established professional in this league. I think it’s having faith in someone who has proven he can construct a very competitive team. The truth hasn’t looked anyone in the face yet, because it won’t show up until July.

  • blackwood

    “you put yourself in the position to make the best deal possible”

    That JJ deal was the best deal possible? Wasting a LOTTERY pick was a smart move by a sharp veteran biz mind?

  • blackwood

    “Walsh has put us in the best position going forward. We don’t have a pick this year thanks to you know who.”

    What magic did donnie work with the last LOTTERY pick we trusted him with?

  • blackwood

    What DVJ did do was bring up a pick we dont have that was traded “6″ years ago!! But fails to bring up the fact that donnie completely screwed up the last LOTTERY we trusted him with, and if he would of done the right thing A.K.A his job he would of came out of the LOTTERY with a REAL PG and this would be a dead issue.

  • fauci933

    That “dumb-ass trade” may result in us becoming a much much much better team. Granted, it might result in nothing, but until we can truly judge the outcome, i think “dumb-as” is a bit harsh. I’d say “risky”.

    Oh, and Donnie has sent four teams to the conference finals, and one to the NBA finals. Yea he didn’t win a championship, but only the Bulls and Houston did for eight years until the Spurs/Lakers era began. Donnie knows how to build a team, I don’t care if he didn’t win a championship during the Jordan and Olajuwon era, because this time around, he has the chance to sign a game changer much like those two players, and I’m pumped for that. If he messes up so be it, he staked his reputation and potentially his career on this summer, so I’ll have confidence in him until he truly screws up. Until Jennings becomes an All-Star PG, I don’t really care that we passed on him.

  • blackwood

    Well lets just hope donnie can add to his collection of championship rings and Conference championships!! Oh wait damn thats Phil Jackson & Jerry West!! lmaooo my bad!!

  • fauci933

    So then you were content with having a shot at Melo and Horford in 2011. Fair enough, but the majority of us signed on for the 2010 plan, that’s why Donnie came here, and that’s why a bunch of us are actually excited rather than bummed.

  • blackwood

    Biggiesmalls is the illest!!! =)

  • blackwood

    OKC!!! Durant is gunning for the LBJ thrown of future king!! The dude Is unstoppable!! To bad I think there playing the Lakers int he first rd. lol

  • blackwood

    The plan was never we will be a champion “eventualy” the chips where pushed all in, all the eggs where put in the same basket and everything that was done was done for LBJ!! I will keep saying it to you guys until it kicks in….In 2011 we where going to have plenty of cap space!!! All donnie did was destroy any semblance of team we had to speed it up one year!! This his year or he has been a bust!

  • fauci933

    Look, I get it, you’re not a fan of Donnie and wanted to wait for Melo in 2011. Good for you. As of now, we have a core (a core, mind you, is a few good young players to build a team around…NOT a whole team) Right now we have Gallo, Chandler, Douglas, and Bill Walker. A solid three young players, plus a young player in Gallo who I think can be much more than just a solid role player. The product of those players plus Lee, Harrington, Duhon, etc. didn’t really pan out that great on the floor. So yea we weren’t competitive, so maybe he failed in that aspect, but we also weren’t the worst team in the NBA; we beat a handful of good teams throughout the season, and some players showed flashes of brilliance (ala Gallo). I know what he said, and I bet everyone here does, but I also bet most people can tell you they could care less about making the playoffs as an 8 seed this year, because they know the real, number one reason DW was brought here, was for the summer of 2010.

    So say whatever you want, but I don’t care how you view it. You wanna wait until 2011, fine, I don’t. But don’t try to spoil it for all those who are excited for July.

    You sound like you don’t want Donnie to succeed just to prove you’re right. That’s not being a fan in my opinion.

  • fauci933

    The JJ deal was the way to put us in the best possible position. It wasn’t the best possible position we desired to be in, it was a stepping stone in getting there.

  • fauci933

    He used it as a piece in a trade that cleared us an extra 9 million dollars to have much more room for this summer.

    Wow, that was an easy question.

  • fauci933

    Okay, that lottery pick wasn’t mentioned one bit in this particular thread, but kudos on bringing it up AGAIN. Talk to me when Jennings has an All-Star season, and is winning his team championships. Apparently Donnie was a bust in Indiana since he couldn’t win one championship, so if rings decide how good you are, I’ll only regard Jennings as an elite PG when he wins one.

  • fauci933

    So he’s a failure because he only won one conference championship and he isn’t the Lakers? Wow, that sucks for everyone else in the league who isn’t Jerry West or Phil Jackson. What GM would you liked for us to have hire that has as many rings as the Bulls or Lakers?

  • fauci933

    And you just don’t get it from our point of view. The 2011 class is nice, but not nearly as good as 2010. We wanted to go for the 2010 class, not Melo in 2011.

  • Mucha

    They might upset the Lakers.

    Kobe always struggles against Sefolosha and Kevin Durant will DESTROY Ron Artest.

  • fauci933

    Haha that article was all spin. Everything is spin, no online blogging is totally objective come on.

  • thebossandbenji76

    Well if the Knicks K out with the big 5-james(cleveland), Wade(Heat), Bosh(bulls), Amare(Heat), Johnson(hawks), I guess……there could be a secenairo where because NO wants to get rid of Okafur’s contract u could see Paul in a Knick uniform, however it will be because of the knicks cap room that this could happen, whoever the Hornets will not take Curry’s expiring contract, u will be trading Douglas, Gallo, Chandler and maybe Bill Walker’s contract as well, in this secenairo the good news is u get your star in Paul and u get a C in Emeka, also, u could trade curry’s money(11 mil) for another starter if u don’t trade curry u could roll that money over and use it nexy year and try to get Melo. Now the bad news is u will have used 19 of your 32 mil of cap room and u will basically have 13 mil left to get a 2,3 and a 4. Why does NO do this, they free up 25 mil of cap room immediately and they get him out of the west and knicks maybe the only team willing to take okafur’s contract in order to get Paul, now if the knicks had 1st round picks to give, they may have done u a favor and taken curry’s expiring contract, but being they don’t, there not. Now u could make a run at Boozer i guess as far as the 4 spot, i think out of all these FA’s that are being talked about I think the guy that will linger out there for a while and u might be able to get at a better deal then u think is Boozer, as far as the 2 and 3 spots, u could be talking about the Raja Bell’s and Kyle Korver’s of the world for a 1 year deal. Paul, Bell, Korver, Boozer and Okafur, the team will be ok next year, may even make the playoffs, but if u are able to roll the money over from Curry and the 1 year deal’s for bell and korver and get anthony in 2011, then u gave paul, anthony, boozer and Okafur going forward and u will have a 1st round pick(rockets pick) to be able to draft a SG.

  • DVJ

    OKC will be swept by the Lakers or the Lakers will win in 5.

  • blackwood

    So you dont think a GM should make the most of a LOTTERY pick? You seem very nonchalant about something that is a MAJOR screw up not a little hick up!! How can you try to lynch the last GM for a pick he traded “6″ years ago for a guy who was a lottery pick in a year when we had ZERO centers on the team? You want to throw dirt on Jennings to cover up for donnie thats your right but to sit here as if Jennings is some mediocore PG is not only showing that your more a donnie fan then a Knicks fan. Keep Jennings out of it, how about Holiday,Collison,Ty Lawson,Eric Maynor,Rodrigue Beaubois,

    Come on man!!! He had no knowledge of these guys?? No feel for them? No understanding that we needed a PG to make a team go after the 80 years he has been in the game??
    You are really so blah no biggie about it? where is the honesty on this man? He traded Hill because he blew the draft bottom line!! If LOTTERY picks dont matter why did he not trade Gallo or offer Gallo to whoever took EC? Exactly because young cheap high end talent can be had in the draft & when u need a key spot filled you you do your damn best in the draft to fill them!!

    But your right to see things how you like I respect that.

  • blackwood

    I am sure you can see I was just jokingly taking a shot at the management….but to answer you I would not have a problem with donnie if he was not screwing up, Winning is a very good thing so yea why not Jerry West??? or hell I could care less if it was an unknown as long as he was doing the right thing!

  • blackwood

    They could as bad as the Lakers are playing and as banged up as they are, but there young and pressure bust pipes but I like OKC & Durant has become my favorite player of the new generation.

  • bob go knicks

    did you read where earl our center refused to sign a contract for next year,thinking he can get more elswhere?

  • blackwood

    My view does not have us taking Okafor back, Seeing that the trade should be cap relief with CP3′s contract in exchange for EC’s contract as well as the young cheap talent (Gallo & Chandler) but hey we will see what happens.

  • bob go knicks

    well why didnt he try building a team from scratch?he coulda set the team up for 2 years and then this year get 1 superstar to cap it off and bam!you got yer team

  • Mucha

    Pressure?

    Not much of a factor IMO – but they won’t beat the Lakers in a 7 game series. Thunder in 6 isn’t unrealistic.

  • bob go knicks

    when is D’antonis contract up?

  • bob go knicks

    where is the line to get your scrotum polished?Has lend me five spot,shes got 3in 1 oil

  • thebossandbenji76

    The only problem with plan shakesphere is that the Knicks could get Johnson and bosh as the max guys, no question, but remember the knicks will not have a mid-level exception this year, only teams that are Over the cap to start the summer get it, so no Camby in that case, what u could see is a deal of Chandler and curry’s contract for PG Darren Collison and C Emeka Okafor, so do everything u said plus Collison and Okafor and then tell me what ya think.

  • RR

    I honestly cannot say if DW has done well or failed at this point. I will give him till the trade deadline of this coming season to make my conclusion. The reason I say that is because if he does not sign a star player or 2 this summer he can still bring 1 in by the trade deadline with the cap room , plus EC’s expiring.

    I really would have liked if DW would have drafted Jennings, Lawson or Collinson but he didn’t so that is strike 1. Hill may become a good PF but he was considered a project and we will just have to wait and see on him.

    I am glad DW didn’t wait for 2011 because of the uncertainty with the new CBA not yet in place . Will there even be basketball played in the NBA in 2011? I have a hard time believing that players like Melo and Horford will gamble their opportunity for a huge payday by not signing and extension this year. With the owners stance on reducing the amount of revenue available to players is a huge concern for the upcoming 2011 FA’s. If I was Melo I would sign a max extension this year if the new CBA was not close to being signed.

    I personally think that with the JJ/Hill trade that the 2010 knicks will be a better team with the upcoming signings this summer than if they were still on the roster using up 9.5mil of cap space. I also think that DW has made NY more attractive to sign with because of the fact that they can bring 2 or 3 really good players in this summer. IMO if LBJ and Wade are truly about winning they are more likely to sign in NY if another star player is signing as well. Who honestly thinks LBJ would consider signing with the Knicks if Hill and JJ were still on the roster this summer? In that situation he would know that if he signs a max deal the team would only have about 8mil left to sign additional players. I just could not see him coming with maybe Felton or Tyrus Thomas to that roster. IMO the knicks have a chance at signing LBJ only because he can come here along with a Bosh or Joe Johnson. He can honestly see then that the Knicks roster of him plus (elite player), Gallo and Chandler would have a chance to be a really good team. Especially if DW can package EC’s expiring for an elite PG this year.

  • DwaneT

    I get your point. The 2010 class is bettter than the 2011 class. Got it. Agree. And if we had waited one more year, we could have had all the contracts fall off the books anyway so we wouldn’t have two losing seasons. Got that two. I get your points of view, I just don’t agree with the perspective that they were the best way to build a championship team.

    IMO, it was better that donnie destroy the team for two years so that he has two summers and a season to become great than to be pretty good for three years and have one year to be great. You can’t pass on the summer of 2010, but you can’t live and die by it either. You also don’t want to put all your expiring eggs in one basket and wait until the summer of 2011 to get great. By his own word Donnie was buildiing a team for 5+ years that would still be great after he was gone. It was NEVER all about LeBron in anyone’ mind but bloggers and reporters.

    Having a superstar doesn’t guarantee a championship. I beleive that LeBron is undoubtedly the best player in the game. He is “that guy”. But he has won as many championships over the past 7 years as the Knicks have… none. Their are people on this thread right here who don’t think he’ll win this year. Being the best doesn’t guarantee you win, which is why Kobe cried last year, and Wilt cried when he won.

    This was the “best FA summer” ever, but we weren’t getting the best FA class ever, we were getting two or three players of various skill levels from this class. The rest were still going to play somewhere. If we got LeBron and JJ, and Wade went to Chicago or Bosh went to Miami to play with Wade, and Yao went to Philly, and Boozer and Gay went to NJ, And Orlando just keeps getting better, we still can’t guarantee that we would get out of the East. I’ll give you a sample Donnie is not a fast food GM, he’s a chef that knows greatness takes time. Here’s s sample roster:

    Bosh (max summer 2010
    Gallo
    Carmelo (mas summer 2010
    Douglas
    CP3 (trade Curry+Chandler+cash)

    Now you have a team that plays decent D that can outscore just about anybody, including anyone Cleveland signs with LeBron, or any of the other scenarios I named above. The team could play together for at least five years, and if one of them gets injured, they are still a playoff team with who is left.

    I never believed in the “LeBron of Bust”, “all in”, philosophy because there are two many ways this thing can work in our favor. The way the League changes, the team we put together will probably play OKC or Portland coming out the west in two years. I understand your perspective, but it’s too small and fatalistic for me. That’s my opinion.

  • DwaneT

    I meant Carmelo (mas summer 2011

  • ds2488

    Some bad news from Isola today. Apparently Wilson Chandler is going to need surgery yet again this offseason to remove scar tissue from his left ankle. While not such a big deal by itself, these injuries and surgeries have to be adding up by now. I really hope Wilson can fully recover and be better than ever. Because we certainly need him to.

  • fauci933

    I wasn’t nonchalant about it when it happened, but it’s over and I can’t do anything about it. It was a big mistake, but it didn’t soil his legacy here because if whatever happened in the past results in us getting LeBron or signing other huge FA’s, I’ll be fine with it.

    Everyone knows he blew the draft, hell even he knows it. I also know Jennings can be good, he’s had a good rookie year, but the rest of the Bucks have played exceptionally well as well, so I don’t think he was the savior we needed necessarily. To be honest, I didn’t think he’d be this good his first year, I didn’t like him that much. But yes again, he made a mistake. But I’m just saying I won’t crucify him until the primary job he was brought here to do is done (JULY 2010). He made a big blunder in the draft yes, but no use crying over spilt milk. I understand if you still want to harp on that one for the rest of your life, but I choose to look past it. If you feel bad about this, imagine how Detroit felt when they took Darko, maybe that’ll make you feel better haha.

  • KFFL

    Haha. Gotta admit that was clever HaS.