Walsh Scouting Euro Final Four

With both Khan and Walsh attending the Euro Final Four it’s my hope (though probably an unrealistic one) that Walsh will attempt to pry Rubio from Khan’s hands. I would dangle any combination of players for Rubio (except Gallo) for the rights to Rubio.

I also think that Europe is the right place to be right now for Walsh as using a 2nd round pick on an up-and-coming Euro who needs a couple years of seasoning might be the best way to use a pick – draft now for the future.

I also hope that Walsh takes a look at Splitter – he would be a nice addition to our squad if we can somehow get his rights. I also like both Kleiza and Childress though the latter might command more salary then I would be willing to spend.

i love the idea of Kleiza, i wanted him this year….he can play the 2,3,n 4 in this system….def a versatile D’Antoni kind of player…

i’m good on Jared Jeffries JR. in childress….he can’t shoot for nada, def isn’t a good fit, and thinks he deserves wayyyy too much money…

AND I’M STILL CROSSING MY FINGERS ON RUBIO……hopefully minny will get the first pick, and draft Wall, w/ Wall and flynn, there’d be noo need for ricky ricardo….so since Walsh gave Kahn his first exec job, he owes him one…*wink, wink*….lol…..

No thanks let Kahn keep em, give me Collison or Randle

Ricky Ricardo > Ricky Rubio.

lol Yeah he probably is better but I will hold off my viewpoint of Rubio until he actually plays an NBA game. Many thought Jennings would be a waste due to his overseas stats. Sometimes players games translate different in the NBA. I know Kahn will move him if they land Wall but just not to the knicks, atleast not for Chandler.

I don’t see how a deal could possibly work for Rubio. Thanks to Kahn’s genius management so far, Rubio has no value as he’s just a humongous risk at this point. DW would have to be crazy to give up Wilson Chandler, a proven commodity, for Ricky Rubio, who might never even come to the NBA at this point. Kahn is kidding himself if he thinks Rubio holds value at this point.

Anyway, good to hear they are scouting there, since from the story that Walsh told about Jennings it seemed as if the Knicks slacked off on their overseas scouting last year. Hopefully they can find a gem to go after in the 2nd round.

Knicks can forget about Klieza since he could easily come back and get 4-5 mil per which would be way out of the knicks range. Childress is a waste in this system, would command too much(the reason he is there in the first place$$$),but used to be a decent defender. Splitter is not worth the head trama of his contract issues. I completely don’t know why anyone would waste a pick on overseas players when there is plenty of talent in college. Last year is when they should have drafted overseas when 2 really nicce guards were available. I hope Donnie is not going to mess this draft up. He doesn’t need any more players that will be good 3 years from now he needs players who can step up right away and contribute. Every overseas player will not be a like Jennings,Gallo,Dirk, or Manu. There is not even a lot of good talent projected from overseas this year. Why Donnie why? Did he even watch the final four in America?

He has more value than you think. You seem to forget that GM’s see potential as precious gold, especially mysterious potential. The hope of what Rubio can be is still there. Remeber Kerr almost traded Amare for freakin JJ Hickson just because of the possible upside. Rubio was the first PG taken in last years lottery so Im sure Kahn can net more than just Chandler for Rubio.

That was a completely different situation with Amare. The Suns weren’t doing too well at the time and it seemed as if Amare was just going to walk anyway at the end of the year when his contract expired. Obviously they would have been happy to get anything out of him leaving instead of nothing.

Rubio is entirely different..He has yet to play a minute in the NBA and his stats have regressed completely this year, pretty much across the board. He just comes across as a slow pg without a jump shot right now, something that probably won’t translate too well in the NBA. If I was DW, no way in hell would I trade Chandler for Rubio.

No money for Kleiza. He left Denver because he felt they wouldn’t pay him enough and we won’t have any money left after we hopefully sign two max FAs.

No assets for Rubio. We didn’t have enough last year and we have less now.

How crazy would it be if Minn got Wall after foolishly drafting Rubio and Flynn. Plus they have a bad mix with Love and Jefferson.

They should trade Jefferson to OKL for a couple first round picks. How great would OKL be with that trade . . .If Al can stay healthy.

“DW would have to be crazy to give up Wilson Chandler, a proven commodity, for Ricky Rubio, who might never even come to the NBA at this point.”

I like Chandler but talented wing players are a dime a dozen. A pass first potential franchise PG . . .not so easy to find. If the rumors are true we were willing to trade Chandler and our 1st round pick last year for Rubio. And that was before Chandler got hurt . . again. I’m not a huge Rubio fan, but I think he is a bigger trade chip than Chandler right now.

Thats what Im saying though…Rubio’s value has gone down since last year, when I too would have given up Chandler and a number 1 for him. But he hasn’t really been all that impressive this year.

You are right about talented wing players being a dime a dozen, but I do think you are undervaluing Chandler, who’s extremely cheap salary of 2 million for next year and 3 million for the year after puts him on a different level than most talented swingmen, who are older and being payed much more generally speaking.

Although I do agree that Chandler’s injury again might hurt his value a little..But if he comes back strong at the beginning of the season his value will probably be fine.

*whose not who’s

That would be priceless. Plus don’t forget about signing Ramon Sessions also for 4 years.

but than I ask, why do we need a Wilson Chandler if we get a Lebron or Joe Johnson, and have a younger more athletic wing in Walker….who i think can become a star…..Walker doesn’t seem afraid to take a big shot, or drive to the hole to get to the line when we need him too..

I dnt think Chandler has the heart to be a star in this league, yes he has the talent….but i think the only way he can possibly be one is if we trade him and that may spark a fire under his behind to show us what could have been…

idk if he’s a lil slow or something, lol, but i dnt think he has the fire or shows the emotion to be our best player or leader…

I THINK HE’D BE A GREAT FIT IN MINNY, IF THEY GET A WALL, OR EVEN W/ FLYNN N BREWER…..

i think i’d trade chandler and td or s-rod for Rubio….

CHANDLER ? a proven commodity? We couldnt get a late first round pick for him ……straight up! CHRIST, If they offered Rubio ,straight up for Chandler….YOU DO IT!

From what I remember Love and Big Al played well together.

Why can’t Rubio just flat out tell Kahn “I will never play for Minny.” That way Kahn MUST trade Ruby.

The Dantoni 7 sol system is pretty much based on 2 things..
1. A good playmaking pg or sg or even sf that makes his teammates better and can rack up assists.
2. Having a bunch of versatile interchangeable wing players that can guard multiple positions and play multiple positions on offense.

Wilson Chandler is perfect for that role. Having him, Gallo, Walker, and hopefully another like Lebron, Wade or Joe Johnson gives Dantoni all the versatility he wants in a lineup.

While I respect Rubio’s potential to be a franchise pg, I have not seen enough from him to justify giving up a player like Wilson, who like Bill Walker has shown he can score very efficiently and has the versatility to guard 1-4 on the other team. I think Chandler is very good to have. Having said that, I would trade him to acquire Collison on the Hornets or even Beaubois on the Mavericks. They have shown they can play at the NBA level. Rubio has not.

First of all, considering that you can buy 1st rd picks for some cash considerations, you could most definitely get a late 1st round pick for Chandler.

Secondly, if Chandler is not a proven commodity than where the heck does that leave Rubio?

this is true.

I hate to say this, but if Isiah was still our GM, he would have probably drafted Jennings lol.

Walker doesn’t play defense anywhere near the level Chandler does. Plus Chandler can guard more positions. Chandler is much more valuable IMO than Walker.

Maybe. Or he would have traded the pick and two future #1s for Erick Dampier.

Remember IT passed on Bynum for Channing Frye too. Hit or miss with Isiah.

Yes agreed. Not even close. Thats why I want to keep Chandler.

and Rondo for Renaldo Balkman. All GM’s are hit or miss with draft picks. Some tend to be better than others, but no one is a machine that can predict the future for every guy they see play.

I understand Chandler probably won’t turn into Lebron James. He has a bit of a shyness on the court, which gives a weird feeling given his athletic talent and tatoos (yes i said tatoos). But ppl were saying similar things about Joe Johnson who is now a perennial allstar. I think if you look at Chandler’s numbers (PPG 15.3 RPG 5.40 APG 2.1 FG% 48.) that’s good stats at an efficient rate. PLUS he plays defense and will get close a block per game.

Wilson is a keeper, especially if we can keep him at a decent price.. (low for now, maybe sign or extend him for 6mil after his rookie deal)…

There really aren’t too many NON-allstar swingmen that play an all around game like Wil.

not at this point, but he sure has the athletic ability to be jus as good of a defender…remember he was out of shape from barely playing his first 2yrs….D’Antoni wants him to lose 20lbs this summer, i can only imagine how athletic he could be if he did that…

i just don’t see that much more of a ceiling for Chandler, second yr in a row, he’ll be rehabbing and not working on his game….yes he finally stopped chucking up 3′s as much as last season….i just don’t see the fire to be a star…like i do w/ walker….

we shall see…

i think chandler/giddens +1 can get us rubio…..

Oh without a doubt… I’m just saying, having him around for just one more draft would have paid off lol

“1. A good playmaking pg or sg or even sf that makes his teammates better and can rack up assists.”

EXACTLY, AND WE’RE STILL LACKING THIS PG….I’D RATHER TRADE ONE OF OUR MANY WING PLAYERS FOR A YOUNG PLAYMAKING PG….

AND AS OF RIGHT NOW CHANDLER IS PRB OUR ONLY ASSET….

Yes, I agree with that.

Im just saying I don’t think Rubio is that guy at this point. I know that Collison and Beaubois are at least capable of doing that in the NBA, the same doesn’t go for Rubio. Thats why I said I would do the trade for Collison. Just not Rubio.

“The Dantoni 7 sol system is pretty much based on 2 things..
1. A good playmaking pg or sg or even sf that makes his teammates better and can rack up assists.

2. Having a bunch of versatile interchangeable wing players that can guard multiple positions and play multiple positions on offense.”

_’antoni’s “system isn’t “based” on anybody “guarding” anyone.

C’mon man. I know you gotta do your thing and hate on Dantoni, but he is capable of coaching defense. His Suns teams were better than this years team defensively, yet all anyone talks about is how Gentry has changed the team by focusing on defense. No he hasn’t, he’s just relied more on his bench than Dantoni ever would and played a more traditional lineup that has an actual center in it.

While Dantoni is no way, shape, or form a good defensive coach, I think he coaches it enough to be a good team when he has the players and is invested in the team. This year, that clearly wasn’t the case.

Don’t need will. Im sure he will be traded before the summer is done . They already tried to trade him last year.He is a solid player but Gallo is the sf/pf they will move foward with. The team has needs and Chandler can fill them with his limited trade value. For the record Rubio though unproven has more trade value than Will. Again he was a pg picked first in a lottery where there was plenty of talented pg’s : Flynn,Evans,Jennings,Curry,Lawson,Beauboise,Collison. GM’s will consider his up side and unknown as a big positive. Everyone knows what Will can do and is widely viewed as reaching his cieling already. PG’s usaully have more value than SF so a lottery pg who hasn’t graced an NBA floor will have much more value than a second round SF in his 3 season with slightly above average skills and no motor.

If we get our max players or max player (saving money for next season) make a good trade or 2, that benefits the team greatly then losing this years lottery pick wont be much of an issue. Translation if we get a PG and legit bona fide C plus the max guy or 2 max guys, it maybe gravy and crying over Utah’s pick would mean nothing. I know its posed to b LBJ, Wade or bust but lest see how it plays out

BTW based on what I seen from Rubio I would trade Chandler for if for no other reason than to create a buzz . He is not all that but I think his game will translaate well in the NBA and he is better than any other pg the knicks had this season and last. He is also better than most if not all pg FA’s. If I did this trade it would be because a NO trade wasn’t possible and it would get done mostly to create hype.

Was Evans drafted before Rubio? Did it go Rubes, T Ev, J Flynn the Curry?

To me, It’s not about needing Will or not needing him. We have a situation where we need players who can play and players who can defend. I’m not saying he’s untradeable, but would I give him up for rubio? I dunno. At that point it kinda depends if I’m SURE he’s coming to the states to play in addition we’d have to first get a allstar level player to be swingman opposite Gallo. At that point I’m fine moving Will for a piece we need more like a PG or C.

Not too sure who’s avail PG wise that would be worth it to give up Will… not sure ridinour who has only really been a stop-gap starter is enough for will str8 up.

Yeah I Evans was actually before Rubio. My mistake.

Since Walsh is going to spend all his cap money on a few players he’s going to need to fill out a roster with cheap players. He must find some who have some descent skills. Maybe guys who are limited but can be specialized. Although I wonder if D’assholi can learn how to use these players in match up situations and in a rotations, he hasn’t proved it yet.

“C’mon man. I know you gotta do your thing and hate on Dantoni, but he is capable of coaching defense. His Suns teams were better than this years team defensively, yet all anyone talks about is how Gentry has changed the team by focusing on defense.”

Maybe by the numbers they were, but the Suns this year have gotten progressively better defensively this year and into the playoffs, which would lead me to believe that there is a scheme in place that the players are becoming more and more accustom to.

Also, when a multiple Sportsmanship of the Year Award winner in Grant Hill states that the team THIS year has more of a focus and attention to defensive assignments than years past (Hill played for _’antoni) then I would lean toward the classy veteran’s opinion rather than this “coach’s” supporters’.

Which Grant Hill quote are you referring to? I know there was talk of one in the NY Post but that was bogus because it came from a friend of a friend who said Hill told him that or something like that.

Did he say it post-game? I am by no means a Dantoni supporter although I try to keep the hate on here reasonable when I think it gets out of hand.

“Hill played for _antoni”

Well, he only played for him one year, on the team that was destroyed by the trade for Shaq. That was a poor PHX team that got eliminated in the 1st round if I remember correctly. Hardly the best barometer for the Suns Dantoni years imo.

It was said during their last playoff game on TNT.

“Well, he only played for him one year, on the team that was destroyed by the trade for Shaq. That was a poor PHX team that got eliminated in the 1st round if I remember correctly. Hardly the best barometer for the Suns Dantoni years imo.”

Yes, and that was the year where Kerr and upper management was demanding it from the team, so one would have to figure that _’antoni would be trying to put his best foot forward in that regard. So, if he were “focusing” or paying “attention” to detail when it came to the defense of the team I’m sure a player like Hill who’s been around the league and has probably forgotten more about basketball than me and you will ever know would be able to get a feel for this “coach” tomake that judgement quite easily.

it depends on what you mean by “PROVEN COMMODITY”.To me,proven commodity,means all-star,to you it just means “having played in the NBA”..I’ll never get,what people see in Chandler,his heart is questionable,and his hoop smarts and his handles are even more so

hey ,BYNUM wouldnt have been shit if the Lakers didnt trade for Gasol

Im just not really seeing how the quote is anything against Dantoni. He also played a year under Terry Porter, a supposed defensive coach who saw the team defense be the worst it ever was I believe.

And as far as I know, I could be wrong, Kerr wasn’t necessarily demanding more defense. He just wanted a traditional lineup with a center(thus the Shaq trade) and for Dantoni to slow up his system. Dantoni didn’t appreciate the intrusion into his coaching style, and as we all know Dantoni is a stubborn a** most of the time. I don’t really think it was about defense.

And Im guessing the answer that Grant Hill gave in the postgame was a response to a leading question by the interviewer. Something along the lines of “How much has this teams defense improved” or something like that. Grant Hill isn’t going to say anything bad or not complimentary about his current team right?

We need so many other positions,that we have to trade Chandler

BradleyH says:
May 5, 2010 at 8:25 pm
I hate this team. There. I said it. LeBron plays 1 game where he was amazing, he was just ‘good,’ and we lose by 15 or whatever it was. Mo Williams had a great Game 1, which is why he’s so frustrating. Then you only make 1 shot the next game? He’s getting torched by Rondo. Shaq can’t make a hook shot from 2 feet away. Varejao is invisible, again. Anthony Parker is useless unless he hits 3 3s. Only Hickson is playing well and god knows he isn’t consistent. Jamison still does one bad thing for every good thing. Give me somebody who can step up please. Get stops on D, make a play off the dribble. I’ve conceded the title to the Magic and I hate everyone who puts on a Cav uniform except LeBron, Jamario, and J.J.. The hate part is reactionary, but seriously, start fitting Dwight for ring sizes.

And I really do hate Jamison and Shaq.

Couretesy of the Cavs blog. I read a lot of similar stuff on thier blog from fans. I gues they don’t think as highly about LBJ’s supporting cast as some knicks fans. The grass always seems greener on the other side. Cavs fans are nervous.

ok fine. By proven commodity I just mean proven Nba player. I guy who has proven he can be effective if given minutes and who could then be a known commodity in a trade too. Im not saying Chandler will ever be an allstar, I agree with you his IQ and handle leave a lot to be desired. Just that at this point he is a much more solid bet than Rubio, who like Brandon Jennings said remains “all hype” at the moment.

it’s the personnel, d’antoni didn’t have a dudley or a collins to come in and bang w/ ppl…..dudley is a tough kid (although being a sju grad i hate him), he’s brought a different mentality after playing at bc and in charlotte for larry brown…..him and collins bring a lot of toughness that the d’antoni finesse teams didn’t….

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If walsh got rubio it would make up for the Jennings mistake.

Gallo for Rubio??? Maybe

Gallo for Rubio? That is an awful trade. What makes you think Rubio is worth trading Gallo for? I know Gallo was a bit inconsistent, but he has a pretty high ceiling in my opinion, and has proven he can ball at an NBA level. Rubio might be very good in the NBA but not worth trading the single promising player that the Knicks have drafted in the last five years.

If we’re keeping Walker, I do Chandler for Rubio in a heartbeat. I know it’s not gonna happen, though. *sigh*

“Im just not really seeing how the quote is anything against Dantoni.”

That’s your choice holmes, I’ve seen what I need to see. I think he’s a bad coach and I can’t wait until he’s gone. If he gets a defensive assistant (which I doubt because he acts as if he has rings and no one can tell him anything about coaching) I’ll be somewhat pacified, until then I’ll keep hoping his face winds up on a milk carton.

Haha nice

lol

Gallo for Rubio must be a joke.

“it’s the personnel, d’antoni didn’t have a dudley or a collins to come in and bang w/ ppl…..dudley is a tough kid (although being a sju grad i hate him), he’s brought a different mentality after playing at bc and in charlotte for larry brown…..him and collins bring a lot of toughness that the d’antoni finesse teams didn’t….”

Collins is not a major contributor to that team and even if he OR Lopez were there when _’antoni was he’s not this “coach’s” type of player. Neither would play for _’antoni.

Also, Raja Bell and Shawn Marion weren’t bad defenders either, Gentry hasn’t had the benefit of either one of them as defenders.

Micky Rubio is overhyped. If the Knicks sign LeBron James the Knicks will have to consider trading Chandler for Rubio but I think it’s a risky move – Rubio might be Sergio Rodriguez part 2.

I wonder if Teodosic can play at the NBA-level.

The Lakers had the best record in the NBA before the Pau Gasol trade. And Bynum was ballin’

Yes I understand where you are coming from and agree with a lot of what you say(but obviously not all).

We have both made our “choices”, I think Dantoni is a solid coach who has done a terrible job the past 2 years with terrible talent. Im waiting to see what he does next year, and thats it for me. If he doesn’t succeed in bringing the most out of players again he needs to be fired asap.

I just don’t think that quote is particularly exemplary of Dantoni’s defensive issues I guess one could say.

“I just don’t think that quote is particularly exemplary of Dantoni’s defensive issues I guess one could say.”

Yea, “one could say”, but would they? Imho he hasn’t proved anything to the contrary in his “coaching” career.

Pressuring the other team offensively (which lures opponents into quick low percentage shots) only works against the lesser disciplined team and/or when your team can stay hot for an extended period of time. That’s the reason that philosophy hasn’t been very successful in the postseason imho.

If LeBron comes remember a traditional point guard is not needed, more the Toney Douglas type or those spot up shooting point guards

I think Teodosic would take a full season to transition to the physicality of the NBA. But, ultimately I think he would end up as a real good back up.

Yes thats perfectly fair. I actually agree with that. My biggest problem with Dantoni is that he doesn’t really call plays in a half-court set, and I think it screws the team over at the end of games.

That being said, his Suns teams were ultimately pretty successful imo. They were some bad breaks away from possible rings. And I know they never made it even to the conference finals. And “IF’s don’t count for anything. But I still trust him if given a decent roster. I guess we will see next year.

And trust me, if he fails again like he has the past 2 years I am done with him and will agree completely with you. I will be the first to call for his head if he doesn’t get the job done next year.

Yes they made it to the Conference Finals.

They reached the C. Finals in 2005 (lost to the Spurs) and 2006 (lost ot the Mavericks).

Yo what games are you guys watching that u put walker in the same sentence as Chandler……even if he lost 50 pounds he wouldn’t be as athletic as Chandler…athletic ability is based on more then just power dunking …and inch for inch Chandler can get up with him any day of the week….if you want to criticize his bball iq ….I guuuueeeeessssss that’s valid but the dude only played 1 year at DePaul…and there isn’t ANYBODY on this roaster who bball iq cant be in question hence the 50 plus loses every year..Anyone criticizing his heart probably doesn’t have heart themselves….because I know your basing it off his shyness and him being quiet in front of the cameras or him not complaining to the refs when he gets fouled YOU REACHING ….becuase that doesn’t have a damn thing to do with heart especially ON THE COURT….even last year he went to antoni and told him that he wanted to guard the other teams best player b4 gallo did this year so plz……..you dudes sound like tiki barber……keep sleepin

Oh and p.s. rubio is TRASH and Jennings already son’d him and backed it up on the court…….only reason why rubio may have more trade value is because people haven’t seen him play in the NBA which already has been said…….He’s wack seen him a couple of times…he’s serviceable at best…maybe a little bit more…but walsh passed on him last year and could have made the same trade that people are proposing now….but u want 2 give up your best 2 way player for a guy that u haven’t seen play in the NBA 2 a team that has 2 many point gurads…….ahahah…..and it’s funny how people say Chandler injuries are a concern but gallo is untradeable….ahahaha …..but yet he just had major back surgery…..and even if he played 80 games this year …..if you stop blogging tweeting txting or w/e u dudes do and just watch the game while its going on you can see he is in pain and has yet to make a FULL recovery………hope he does….but Im saying…….

oh ok my bad. Thanks Mucha.

+ 1….No way I give up Chandler for an unproven PG that can’t shoot.

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I wanna see Teodosic vs Rubio in the championship

Kinda like what Dragic is doing right now.

I’m coining a “Rifle Rick” tag on Rubio.

i don’t think the point is to compare chandler to walker i think the point is if we sign lebron we have a serviceable backup SF in walker and it makes chandler more expendable in a trade that would land us a PG or C

if we dont sign lebron/wade/jj i think we prob need chandler

D’antoni isn’t a badd coach, we just have to find the guys that feed into his system and actually respects him….i do think it’s time to get rid of herb williams and hire Tom Thibideau immmmmmediately….he’s the defensive mind we need..d’antoni just needs to stop being soooo stubborn and open up to the thought of it….i know he like his own guys, but i think these guys need another voice and defensive philosophy….

I was addressing dudes on here who actually think that all it takes is to lose 20/+ pounds and magically u are going to be more athletic that’s not true…..people on here actually think b walker is as good as ILL WILL which is even more untrue………and I ask u and anybody else this as I have on past blogs how is it bad to have a wing player who averages 15+ points a game with limited shot attempts shoots 85%+ from the free throw line can get 5 + rebounds and a block shot a game on the wing plus a steel AT THE 2….and Lebron is a 3…so having two long athletic wing players on the court together will help make a limited defense team and a limited head coach that much better….. to have a guy who shoots 48% from the field after a bad start and still averages 15+ with limited field goals attempts AND DOESN’T NEED THE BALL ON OFFENSE TO PLAY DEFENSE and still does his job and stays quiet and never complains even with limited shot attempts is exactly what this team needs…….and having multiple players of there athletic caliber that are also just as defensive minded will cause problems/mismatches all day….and as been said plenty of times on here when u have guys like Wade,Lebron,Kobe on your team u don’t need a traditional passing point guards and a guy who will especially be a defensive liability at that………….1

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