NY Post: Knicks Don’t Need a PG with Lebron

What Ive Been Trying To Say This Whole Time.
This is why Toney is the perfect Point Guard for our Lebron team.

Tony’s fit has more to do with his defense than his ability to shoot. Yea, he better keep up the 3 pt shooting, but having an agressive fast strong quick lockdown defender at the PG spot is something lebron has lacked badly.

And LeBron’s “pg” role doesn’t have as much to do with the pick and roll as it does the fast break.

magic johnson on steroids. People may not think you can win running, but if anyone in the world can it is him.

I have to disagree. LeBron would benefit significantly from a true PG in my opinion. He averaged 4.5 TOs per game against Boston. Thats way too much for a PG. The only reason he dominates the ball so much is because Mo Williams isn’t a true PG. A true PG would allow LeBron to focus primarily on scoring, which is what he does best. Honestly, I wouldn’t want him looking to pass in a big game. I would want him to be looking to score. I think its crucial that we get someone like Rubio, Collison, or Parker if we sign LeBron. I think that if he is available, Collison would be a great fit because he averaged 5.7 assists per game in under 28 minutes per game as a rookie, and he also shot 40% from three. He is very young and has a ton of upside. I think that a Curry + Chandler for Collison + Okafor would work out well for both teams.

I have to agree with you Dylan. Even though Lebron is a great passer, I believe he would benefit tremendously by playing off the ball more; being more of a recepient of good passes that lead to dunks and layups instead of all isolation plays. Cleveland is very predictable with their offense because everyone knows is Lebron isolation. We can’t built the same team Cleveland has. Otherwise we will end up the same results as them. Tony Parker is a sensational playmaker, fast and very crafty. He’s a proven winner (finals MVP), not a shrimp like Mo Williams that dissapear in big games. Finally, what we think don’t matter. What matters is what Lebron think.

@TommyDeeTKB u give lebron a legit pg and a 4/5 he’ll win multiple rings

The Knicks don’t need a prominent point guard to land LeBron but getting Rubio will greatly increase their chances. Tony Parker is NOT the answer. This Tuesday, if the T Wolves land the #1 overall pick and select John Wall, they will trade the rights to Rubio. The team already has Johnny Flynn, and Ramon Sessions and Wall would be there starter so there is no reason they would not trade Rubio knowing that he is not going to leave Spain to come to Minnesota. I believe that if they get the #1 pick, trade talks start and the Knicks bring over Rubio and LeBron makes his way to New York.

Is LBJ playing 48 minutes per game? Otherwise, the team is going to need a PG for stretches. What if teams try to keep the ball out of LBJ’s hands, who on the Knicks roster right now (if you include Bosh as the other max FA) can set up the offense and handle the ball?

It is not like D’Antoni is running the triangle. His offense is premised on strong PG play and excellent ball movement and an ability to hit the long ball. Douglas is not the best orchestrator or passer. Chandler is not a very good passer and can’t handle the ball to save his life. Gallo can move the ball but his ball handling is suspect as is his ablitity to create any type of offense other than a three point shot. Walker can’t pass. Bosh is not starting an offense and Eddy Curry is only good for a punchline. Joe Johnson might actually be the better fit, but in no way do I want to give him a max contract.

I think you have to have strong PG play with D”Antoni as coach. Perhaps you don’t need Nash, but at least a willing passer and a pure PG who knows how to run the offense. Personally, I like Tony Parker, but I understand the concerns about his inability to shoot. However, I think if you sign two max FAs, and they are LBJ and Bosh, your only other two players worth mentioning are Chandler and Gallo. They all play the same position. You need a PG and a Center so dealing Chandler for Parker to me makes sense, and you have shooters (LBJ, Gallo, Bosh) to make up for Parker’s inability to shoot. Ideally though you need a PG who can stretch the floor.

Another reason Parker would be a good fit is that LBJ just folded in the playoffs. Having a PG who is battle tested and can help lead your team would do wonders for this young and fragile squad. I really don’t see many other options at PG out there that are better.

What do the Knicks have that Minnesota would want?

I agree that Rubio would be a nice fit for NY, but a trade works two ways. I have been saying this for the past year. Rubio talk is pure fantasy once the Knicks traded Hill and all there draft picks. A complete waste of a conversation. Minnesota could have had Chandler at any time for Rubio and they passed.

Rubio to NY is not happening. Next conversation please.

Why is everybody so convinced that we need a PG to land LeBron? Maybe LeBron wants to be the ball handler on the team. It’s not what we think we need to land LeBron, it’s what does LeBron want to have on this team.

We have, what, 4 guys guaranteed next season. That means LeBron has a say in formulating the roster how he wants. Walsh will certainly let LeBron speak and bring he who he wants. He knows if he signs with us, others will come. Not the other way around.

PG – Lebron
SG – Chandler
SF – Gallo
PF – Bosh
C – Shaq

I know I will get ripped for this and that’s cool and I probably deserve it for thinking like this but its the middle of May so gimme a break! lol

A True PG plays horrible off the ball and needs the ball to work. A True Star needs the ball to be effective. This is proven facts here. The Cavs had they best season when Mo Williams had his best season scoring wise.
Lebron doesn’t need someone to setup the offense he needs scorers and shooters.

Considering the fact that minny has NO leverage since Ricky will only leave Spain (rememeber this is Spain, a beautiful country with lots to do) for New York….. kahn should be thrilled if he could get wilson chandler from donnie. if minny gets the first pick and takes wall, which they should… whoever doesnt take wall is out of their freakin mind…. he will have flynn, rubio, sessions, wall….. kahn should at that point get anything he could in return for rubio, rather than just lose him for nothing. if they dont win the lottery they still have flynn, sessions, rubio, all very promising young players, so ricky still should be available.

remember ricky rubio does not need the nba. he is plenty happy playing near both his family and friends in SPAIN…… wilson chandler for rubio is veryyyyy fair.

lol i would love to see shaq come to ny and fulfill his dream of winning a ring for the king. doubt mike wants shaq though…..

you could then move eddy curry for turiaf and your bench is now walker, toney, turiaf, with a couple 2nd rounders not too bad…. considering mike uses a very short rotation.

For the reason that Lebron doesn’t need a PG is why I think if Donnie can get Bosh or Stoudemire here, we have the better situation than Chicago. Chicago still wouldn’t have a big man worth mentioning that is anywhere close to a legit threat on the offensive end.

If Rose was a good shooter, that would change things.

Yeah I agree with you 100%, especially with D’Antoni as our coach. Cleveland’s offense was WAY too stagnant. No chance the Knicks are going to imitate that offense. We need a PG that can open things up offensively for LeBron and the players around him. Would you rather LeBron getting the pass and finishing around the hoop or LeBron dishing it off? I think the answer is pretty obvious. LeBron along with a good PG (Parker/Collison/Rubio), a deadly outside shooter (Gallo), an inside scorer (Bosh/Amare), and a true center (Okafor/Barron) would be a deadly combination. Thats basically how the Celtics won. They had a great PG (Rondo), a great outside shooter (Allen), a good all around player (Pierce), a great inside scorer (Garnett) and a true center (Perkins).

Knicks4life: I agree with you 100% with one exception: The Knicks are not getting Parker without losing Gallo. Not that I wouldn’t prefer giving up Chandler instead of Gallo. But, I don’t see it happening. I would still do the trade (of Gallo for TP) for everything else you said. Lebron, Parker and Chandler would be a nightmare on the open court.

I don’t think we would need a pg the caliber of Parker though. You’re right we will need a pg for stretches but I think we would be able to get by with a cheap backup.

Call me crazy(and you probably will and probably have every right to, ha) but even a guy like Duhon would work. Just a guy who could play 15-20 minutes a game. I think if his role is limited and he is cheap, he could be worth it. I don’t think he could return to what he was the first half of MD’s first season but I think he would be good enough.

Considering what else is out there, I dont think it is as far fetched as it may seem. Shaq isnt asking for big money anymore. With Earl Barron coming off the bench for him and possibly a 2nd round or late 1st pick on a big man like Jerome Jordan or Soloman Alabi, I think it is feasible, unlikely, but feasible.

I disagree with all of you that think the Knicks don’t need an elite point guard. Of the 4 teams remaining in the playoffs, 3 of them have elite point guards. The Lakers don’t, but look at their roster. And when people talk about Lakers weakness, it’ll start and end with the PG position. Ask Lakers management if they wouldn’t like an elite point guard to see what they say.

Whatever to this idea.

No other team has a guy like LeBron (outside of LA with Kobe) who can do what he does therefore eliminating the need for an elite PG. Kobe has done just fine over his career with Fisher as his PG. I think TD can be a Derek Fisher type. He hits a higher percentage of 3′s as well.

No way do I trade Gallo for Parker.
I love Parker, but not at that price. I’d be satisfied with Collision at the point if we could land him and Okafor for Curry or just to take Okafor off of NO’s hands.
If we aren’t confident to go with TD at PG, what about trying to get Sessions from Minny?
He would seem to fit the profile of the sort of 1 we are looking at.
His contract is pretty good at $4mil.
If minny got Wall, they may prefer to move him more than Rubio.
Question is, what could we give them for Sessions? A lottery protected 1st rounder in 2016?

If we got Sessions, signed LBJ, and did a sign and trade with Lee for Bosh we would have:

Sessions (4 mil)
LBJ (16 mil)
Gallo (3.3 mil)
Bosh (16 mil)
Barron or whomever we can get for Curry’s contract (perhaps Dalembert)

I prefer
Collision (1 mil)
LBJ (16 mil)
Gallo (3.3 mil)
Bosh (16 mil)
Okafor (11 Mil)

but would be OK with Sessions and Dalembert too. I think the NO option fits better with the cap.

Either way, I would be happy to go to battle with either of those teams.

If we went with TD, i’d be fine with that as well, as long as we had a decent backup PG.

TD (1 mil)
LBJ (16 mil)
Gallo (2.5 mil)
Bosh (16 mil)
Dalembert? (12.2)

And if we can’t get LBJ, what are the chances we could get that muthfuka Delonte West?

Obviously every team wants an elite pg but it’s also whether or not they need one.

All the remaining teams have elite Big men…Gasol, Stoudemire, Howard, Garnett.

Getting a Big man to pair with Lebron is much more important than having an elite pg.

Exactly.

Kobe doesn’t need an elite pg, Wade doesn’t need an elite pg, Jordan didn’t need an elite pg.

How soon some people forget that the starting pg’s in last years finals were Rafer Alston and Derek Fisher.

kind of leaning to the idea because look at Wade when he won his championship with shaq and a mediocre pg

Right. So it is not out of the question to think we could have a starting 5 of:

Lebron
Chandler
Gallo
Bosh
Shaq

I don’t buy into the theory that we need to add other pieces to the roster in order for LeBron to come here. I think a guy like Bosh will wait for LeBron to sign somewhere first.

When he said that he and his team have a plan and they are going to execute it this off season. That led me to believe he already knows where he wants to go and knows who he wants to bring with him. He knows who has cap space. He knows who is on the roster for each team. He knows who is coaching, the Knicks at least. He knows who the free agents are that will come play with him.

This is all just speculation and assumptions on my part of course.

Its not like he has had his guy’s sit around all season long and do nothing. He has spent his career carefully calculating every step of the way.

Whoever says Lebron doesn’t need a true PG is delusional. You team LBJ with a Paul, D-Will or Rondo and his life and game would be a whole lot easier. LeBron bringing up the ball will cause him to work too hard and over-tire him. Plus, he’ll have way too many turnovers. Even an old J-Kidd would help him.

We need a true Point Guard.

“Kobe doesn’t need an elite pg, Wade doesn’t need an elite pg, Jordan didn’t need an elite pg.

How soon some people forget that the starting pg’s in last years finals were Rafer Alston and Derek Fisher.”

There’s a lot of gray area between an elite point guard and Toney Douglas (who isn’t even a point guard).

Kobe and Jordan played in the triangle offense which doesn’t use a point guard. “How soon people forget that”.

As for Wade, how’s that working out?

Hey LeBron blocks shots and is a good help defender, next it will be “Knicks Don’t Need a Center with LeBron”.

+1 THANK YOU! LEbron has NO rings and some of trying to tell us that he’s a pt gaurd when the man is not a great ball handler and being th ept guard causes LBJ to work ahrder than he has to and be more predicatable for the defense to defend him.

Imagine LBJ with a good pt guard and a sharp shooting SG? LBJ could play the 3 and even 4 at times. He would be able to move around as a free lancer like KOBE and create havoc. Teams wouldn’t know how to defend him because he won’t be always the one with the ball play the pt while the rest of his team is standing around watching.

lol Well we know he don’t need a coach!

Barely. And they haven’t been back to the Finals or even in the top of the conference (team-wise) since.

Toney Douglas isn’t a “mediocre pg”.

Yikes Wade is closer to a pt guard that LBJ is. Wade is at least a 2. LBJ is a legit 3 or 4 to a smaller degree.

We have seen LBJ play one waty and he has NO rings so why is this the way to go?

“The Cavs had they best season when Mo Williams had his best season scoring wise.”

“best season” meaning… ?

you need a good player at every position
Why don’t we need a good pg with Lebron, so we can be just like the Cavs?
If Lebron signs with Chicago its a big mistake because hes basically putting himself on a team just like the one hes leaving (except younger) instead of a team like boston-orlando thats winning.

you can’t compare a knicks lineup with lebron to the lakers, its just not fair because they have 2 skilled seven foot monsters

a bron-gallo-bosh comparison is more consistent with a allen-pierce-garnett

Look at the Celtics and the Magic. They are thriving because of a combo of post scoring, penetration, and threes. Having the point guard is icing on the cake, and gets you past teams like the Cavs that are one dimensional.

We should draft a pg a c and pf/c (with the pick we buy)

So Parker, Devon Williams, Rondo, CP3, Miller, Westbrook and others aren’t effective unless hey have the ball?

Dude, what games are ya watching?

How about a team needs a pt guard because they are the ones to be trusted with handling the ball and at times iniating the offense. Also, they are usually smart and the ones you want making the decisions on who should be getting the ball and where?

At PT guard, LBJ found himself at times playing the pt guard position only having to make the decision for keeping the ball himself or pass it to someone who doesn’t want it. There lies the problem in the clutch.

“remember ricky rubio does not need the nba. he is plenty happy playing near both his family and friends in SPAIN…… wilson chandler for rubio is veryyyyy fair.”

We don’t even know if he WANTS to play in the NBA or if he’s even capable of playing in the league. He wouldn’t be the 1st highly touted player from the Euro-League to flop, not that he will, but I doubt he lives up to the level of hype he’s recieved (he’d pretty much have to walk on water and average a triple double out the gate to do that).

Isn’t his contract through 2011 anyway? How would he help the team next year and even if he were able to come next year, don’t you think there would be an adjustment period? With his lack of athleticism (and jumpshot) his only chance is to get a lot stronger and learn the nuances of the NBA/American Basketball to develop into a craft/savvy point guard. Neither of those things are going to happen overnight.

I agree with your initial thought, but filling out the starting lineup with 2nd rounders in what’s being labeled a not so deep draft couldn’t possibly be the answer.

With that lineup there’s one ballhandler and I wouldn’t be so confident with LeBron bringing the ball up with smaller guards pressuring him full court.

Remember he had 9 turnovers the other night in a playoff elimination game.

The other guard is going to be Chandler? No way that works.

Thats exactly what Im saying besides from Deron Williams who is the best Point Guard in the league IMO the rest are ineffective without the ball in there hands.

If the point guard can’t play 2 Guard he will be ineffective will a player like Lebron.

“best season” meaning… ?

Meaning the season Mo Williams played his best.

I don’t ever want to see Duhon in a Knick uniform again.

No offense but that team has no PG or SG. I would pass.

Didn’t that team have Gary Payton and Jason Williams? GP was at the end of his career and Jason Williams was erratic but both are still better than Tony Douglas.

As for Wade, he won a title without a great pg which actually sort of proves my point. In the 4th quarter and the game was on the line who had the ball?Gary Payton? Jason Williams? uhh no, Wade was the guy with the ball making plays.

How is that the Cavs’ best season?

They didn’t make the Finals that year.

“As for Wade, he won a title without a great pg which actually sort of proves my point. In the 4th quarter and the game was on the line who had the ball?Gary Payton? Jason Williams? uhh no, Wade was the guy with the ball making plays.”

First of all, both of those guys were point guards.

Secondly, how are they doing without a true point guard now?

Obviously, your best player (James, Wade, Kobe, Jordan etc.) will have the ball in their hands at the end of quarters/games, but to tire them out with having the ball in their hands for the whole game isn’t the ideal situation. Period.

Yeah but they weren’t projected to win the Championship that year and they didnt win 66 games that year.

the point i was trying to make was that in this thread everyone was talking about needing a mediocre pg just to run the floor and i don’t see why TD can’t fit the bill, and im with that shaq trade too, he still got it, i think he’s better than most of these centers in the league and they’re younger (very sad) if we can get him for cheap i’d take a stab at him or even have him come off the bench as a very high quality and serviceable backup center that can start at any night, because to be honest with you we really don’t need a shot blocker, we need someone to at least “alter” shots because of size and length, look at Dwight, even when he doesn’t block the shot he still forces people to shoot like 30 ft(exaggerating but you get the point) higher then they normally would because of his length and size, just a though

I agree we need a pg but we don’t need an all star caliber pg. Every team needs a true pg but Lebron doesn’t need a Rose, Parker, etc.

So do you think Lebron could ever win a Championship without an all star caliber pg?

Not saying we dont need a PG, I am just saying we wouldnt need an ELITE PG with LeBron on the team. Salary wise, having a guy like LeBron + Bosh + the rest of the roster makes it very, very difficult at getting an ELITE PG like CP3.

And in your mind that makes that year not that “best year”?

I’m not saying he needs an All-Star point guard, I’m saying he needs A point guard.

Toney Douglas (who I love as a player) is not a point guard. Mo’ Williams is a much better point guard (in that he is a better passer) than Douglas and he wasn’t the answer for them.

And we can have a lineup of 5 HOF’s and you will say we can’t win because we don’t have a good bench.

“Not saying we dont need a PG, I am just saying we wouldnt need an ELITE PG with LeBron on the team.”

But your starting 5 doesn’t have A point guard or even another ballhandler, I’d rather start Douglas than that starting 5.

“And we can have a lineup of 5 HOF’s and you will say we can’t win because we don’t have a good bench.”

You need a bench to keep your best players fresh through an 82 game season imho.

The Lakers started Gary Payton, Kobe, Karl Malone and Shaq with Phil Jackson coaching, but were swept in the Finals (if I remember correctly), you need both.

Winning the championship is not easy, that’s why only a handful of franchises have won it the past 2 decades. That’s why it’s not a cut and dry decision on leaving the Cavs to go anywhere else because there is no guarantee he has a “better chance” to win anywhere else.

I love Toney too and also realize he is not a true pg. The Cavs main problem was that they didn’t have anyone who could shoulder the offensive load other than Lebron.

But what caliber of PG do you think we need?

Rafer Alston?
Ray Felton?
Jarret Jack?
Steve Blake?

I mean, say a team has Paul, Kobe, Lebron, Duncan, Howard… you will say it can’t win because the bench will stink.
We know there were much bigger issues with the Lakers that year. The difference between the 03 lakers and the 04 lakers was sub in Malone and Payton for Horry. (And they lost 4-1)

It wasn’t because of the bench.

Seeing as to how they didn’t win the championship you have to go off wins.
Which year did they have the most wins overall?

If your goal is to have a team that wins a lot in the regular season than I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on the best direction of the franchise.

I would have to insist that LeBron is after more than just winning in the regular season, so I doubt he’s trying to be the initiator, facilitator and the finisher in the offense for another team.

then > than*

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Again what do you do when other teams try to take the ball out of Lebron’s hands or he has a ton of turnovers like the last game he played.

We may not need Chris Paul (although it would be nice) to win a championship but this idea that we could throw Chris Duhon or Tony Douglas out there because LBJ will do all the heavy lifting and can be a PG/SG/SF all in one is not seeing it from a good defensive team’s perspective. Tom Thibedau would expose that in a minute.

“I mean, say a team has Paul, Kobe, Lebron, Duncan, Howard… you will say it can’t win because the bench will stink.”

Nah I wouldn’t care who was on the bench in THAT case, but Bosh isn’t and never will be Tim Duncan or affect a game in the way Howard does. Toney Douglas couldn’t carry Paul’s gym bag. Kobe… Chandler/Walker? Please.

No one would be concerned with the bench with that starting 5, but were not talking about the equivalent of that starting lineup here.

Of course you don’t need an elite pg, but you do need some other player not named Lebron capable of bringing the ball up and running the offense for stretches of time. Plus, can you imagine how good Lebron could be working off the ball? Remember when he was demanding the Cavs trade for Jason Kidd? There was a reason for that. Forcing Lebron to bring the ball up every game is not a recipe for success. It tires him out by the end of the game when possessions count, it allows opponents to tee off on him and play physical pressure d on him, it doesn’t allow for him to take breaks on any possession.

But I severely disagree with the notion that Mo Williams is more of a pg than Toney Douglas. That was the main problem with the Cavs imo. Mo was a relentless ballhog and chucker who couldn’t run the offense without Lebron, forcing him to do everything by himself. I think Douglas would be a better fit than Mo Williams honestly…All he would do is catch and shoot on open shots and not try to take the opposing defense on 1 vs 5 every time, like Mo Williams did whenever he was allowed to touch the ball. Plus, as Boston exposed Mo Williams was a crazy defensive liability, Douglas is better than him on that end.

No team Lebron could go to will be perfect.

If he goes to the Bulls- who is on the bench?James Johnson and Taj Gibson? Who is there scorer down low?

If he goes to the Heat- who is their bench? Daquan Cook and James Jones?

And we all know the Cavs the way they are currently constructed aren’t winning a title

And no it wasn’t because of the bench alone.

Talent (scoring, ball movement, rebounding, taking care of the ball) + Defense + Chemistry + Coaching (adjustments, x and o’s, communication/managing egos and personalities) = Championship.

Not a simple formula by any means.

This is so obvious. Right on. Agreed 100%

“No team Lebron could go to will be perfect.”

Exactly, that’s why I don’t know if it’s worth the hit he’d take in the media on his image by spurning his home state team for “greener” pastures.

It won’t be an easy decision.

What is he goes to another team and never wins? His legacy would be done.

Douglas is a better defender (even with the mistakes he’s bound to make playing starter’s minutes), but Mo’ Williams is by far the better passer and it’s not even close.

A younger Rafer, a better shooting Felton or a better defending Blake.

Not easy. There aren’t many options. Would have been nice to have drafted a point guard last year to at least groom with a veteran mentor next season.

I hear ya but I disagree. Rondo isn’t a great shooter but if you surround him with a LBJ and a good SG and etc, the team would be lethal.

There is no one way to do this all the time but the main pt is that LBJ needs a good pt guard to releive him of the ball handling duties all the time and for that pt gaurd to help with the decision making.

Even in the Triangle, MJ didn’t handle the ball most of the times. Armstrong, Harper and others helped in this area too. Also, MJ was a better ball ahndler than LBJ he had had very lttile weaknesses once he developed his outside shot.

So you think maybe he should stay in Cleveland where he knows he doesn’t have the team to win in the next few years rather than go to Miami, Chicago, or New York with all 3 places having cap room and pieces to get better over the next 2 years?

Maybe going to Miami to team with Wade. Maybe those two could get it done.

Maybe going to Chicago and teaming with Rose can get it done.

Maybe if he goes to NY and brings a big, he could get it done.

You are right though, It won’t be an easy decision but I think the Knicks have as good a chance as any to build a title contender in the next 2 years.

If winning a title is his #1 priority, he shouldn’t stay in Cle

Well, this would be a real nice debate if our dumba-s-s coach had played TD more instead of Duhon. We do know TD isn’t afraid to take a shot but we don’t know what he will do in a key playoff moment.

TD should improve and I surey like the fact that he says he’s gonna go workout with Lucas this summer. However, to expect TD should be starting on a team that could vy for a ring next year is maybe asking too much.

Besides D’Antoni will start Duhon anyway! lol No one plays a apositon above the 3 with this coach!

Don’t you think our Knicks would have a btter chance to get LBJ if our GM made all our players sign a pledge that “We might not have rings but we are not motherfu#kers”?

We have to think out of the box to lure LBJ.

How do we know Duhon will be back?
Is he going to sign for the veteran minimum?

That was the Cavs best year the Magic was just a better team with too many mismatches..
Its not a coincidence Mo Williams best year was The Cavs best year.
Also no one is saying Lebron has to do everything we are just saying a Combo Point Guard like Toney Douglas/Mo Williams/Stephen Curry fit lebron better than a Rondo/D Rose/Westbrook type Point Guard because the Combos can handle the rock when Lebron needs them to and they can steo back and hit open jumpers.

yes,but we will say anything so it makes us,not having a PG look good

Gray area? theres a lot of blank space between an elite point guard and Toney Douglas

Mo’ WIlliams is a better passer than Toney Douglas and after watching Stephen Curry this year I’d argue he’s more of a true point guard than either of them (too bad we had to try and make that “playoff push” last year).

I don’t know why everyone is so quick to say LeBron can’t play with a point guard when he’s never done it. I’m sure he’d like to try, he’s extremely unselfish and having a guy who can run the offense (outside of the end of the quarters/games when you want the ball in your star’s hands of course) would be the ideal situation for him.

LeBron is a great passer, but he’s also a great finisher having a point guard on his team would give a coach optimal flexibility offensively.

i didn’t say make any of them starters, u have them to fill out the bench and gradually work into the rotation

i think we need to trade for a pg/c

but with the depth of big men in the draft i think we should be able to find two good role players at pf and c off of the bench

I def think torrance, bledsoe, randle, armon johnson could be great off the bench pg’s

i even think torrance who could be prob be had in second round has a good chance of becoming a starting pg eventually

the fact that second round picks don’t count against cap until ba contract is signed is extremely beneificial for our situation, i really think we should buy the thunder’s 32nd pick if we can and maybe even the hawks 24th pick which would have little effect on our cap room – if anything it gives more flexibility in trades for a center

depending on who pick it could be icing on the cake for a curry okafor/collison trade or another trade like that

If LeBron stays in Cleveland or if he goes to any team he’ll be in the HOF, no question.

However, his image will be tarnished if he leaves and never wins a championship (I think he may have to win at least 2 to get his image back personally). Did you see the firestorm after game 5? Ouch.

If he stays in Cleveland his image will remain palatable to the middle America fan (who often have a disdain for the bigger market teams, but everyone loves a winner) and wouldn’t have to win multiple rings to keep his image strong in the eyes of basketball purists.

Samw way we know our dumba-s-s coach will be back! Unfornutately, that’s how we roll. Since we don’t have the players as some like to say, how can ya blame Duhon? lol

I still think if you ask LeBron he’d say getting to the Finals was his best season. The postseason is the only one that counts, that’s where reputations and legacies are made.

“The Knicks don’t need a prominent point guard to land LeBron but getting Rubio will greatly increase their chances. Tony Parker is NOT the answer.”

yo………………………………………………………..

” With his lack of athleticism (and jumpshot) his only chance is to get a lot stronger and learn the nuances of the NBA/American Basketball”

with that said u still consider that 2 be a fair trade…………………….

Yep, I have been trying to pt that out.

If LBJ leave Cleveland he would already prove hs no MJ, Bird, Magic, Kobe or even Wade who stayed with their team and got hat ring.

Also, if he left and didn’t win won quickly, he would prove he’s no Shaq or Garnett because they left and won a ring the same year on their new teams.

So with that, how can LBJ choose NY when we are no way ready to win a ring?

He’s already in a huge hole with 7 season under his belt and no ring. Anymore bad moves, he might be an enhanced Charles Barkley. As someone posted before

“That would be tuuuuuuurrrible” lol

” With his lack of athleticism (and jumpshot) his only chance is to get a lot stronger and learn the nuances of the NBA/American Basketball”

with that said u still consider that 2 be a fair trade…………………….

thats false K4L…………..

Bottomline is LBJ will build his own team from scratch. I agree with one of the poster who said Lebron’s team knows what team & players that he suggest while waiting on his boy “Melo” to join him in NY, which is what I think.

NY has been gutted for the taking and a great stage for him to build his dynasty for years, while becoming a MILLIONAIRE!

LBJ already knows what he is going to do. Don’t be surprise if he convonce WADE to come join him or miss out on what it could of been.

But, I truly believe the next Jordan & Pippen show will be done at the World’s Greatest Arena!

The resurrection: Jordan did it in Chicago & LBJ will do it in NY!

Doc Rivers would get it right………………….

I don’t think LeBron James needs a point guard. He needs a coach who stresses ball movement and a couple players who can create their own shot.

Toney Douglas will be fine – he just needs to take care of the basketball. That’s it.

Another scenario:

LBJ not only choose to come to NY, but make a huge sacrifice by accepting a salary lower enough to acquire from the biggest free agent list of all time to achieve his championship next year.

LBJ will get his ducketts from endorsements, which will be higher than any NBA salary. He is the only free agent that could pull this off!

This is business and definitely personal to prove real kings make smart decisions.

Note: DW should pose this IDEA to LBJ’s team and that he is willing to let LBJ pick his squad!

“Bottomline is LBJ will build his own team from scratch. I agree with one of the poster who said Lebron’s team knows what team & players that he suggest while waiting on his boy “Melo” to join him in NY, which is what I think.”

While that’s a great sales pitch, how do we know he’s a better GM than Walsh or Isaiah for that matter. Do we really want LeBron to be making personnel decisions for the franchise? What if he makes the wrong choices and then moves on to another team?

“NY has been gutted for the taking and a great stage for him to build his dynasty for years, while becoming a MILLIONAIRE!”

I’m gonna go out on a limb and say I think LeBron is a millionaire already.

“The resurrection: Jordan did it in Chicago & LBJ will do it in NY!”

He’d have to stay in Cleveland to do what Jordan did, he resurrected that Chicago franchise and brought them their 1st NBA Championship.

I don’t know why you like Mo Williams so much man, but he has never even been a decent passer. On his career he averages less than 5 assists per game to go along with over 2 turnovers per game. Those are not pg numbers right there. In fact, he’s never averaged above 6.5 assists per game on a season, and his best assist season(6.3 per game) was balanced out by 2.8 turnovers.

He’s never been an even remotely solid passer, and I would not even go so far as to call him a pg. He’s a combo scorer much like Douglas, except he can’t guard anyone but is a much more talented scorer.

NY has been gutted for the taking and a great stage for him to build his dynasty for years, while becoming a MILLIONAIRE!

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“I don’t know why you like Mo Williams so much man”

I don’t, I don’t know why you guys want to duplicate the same (or a poor man’s version imho) of the Cav’s offense (LeBron creating and facilitating the offense and a scoring guard at the 1) here in NY and think that is appealing to LeBron and think he can’t play with a more traditional point guard.

“He’s never been an even remotely solid passer, and I would not even go so far as to call him a pg. He’s a combo scorer much like Douglas…”

I’m speaking beyond the numbers, just the ability to pass off the dribble, with either hand, put touch on the ball, alleyoop etc.. Douglas hasn’t shown the ability to pass with any type of creativity and seems unsure of making a play outside of the basic chest/bounce pass. He has shown an ability to score from outside and attacking the basket, but that’s really it. Can he be successful in the NBA doing that, taking care of the basketball and being a hound on the defensive end? Of course, but that doesn’t make him a point guard imho.

“I don’t, I don’t know why you guys want to duplicate the same (or a poor man’s version imho) of the Cav’s offense (LeBron creating and facilitating the offense and a scoring guard at the 1) here in NY and think that is appealing to LeBron and think he can’t play with a more traditional point guard.”

I never said any of that. Read my previous posts. I am all for bringing in a traditional pg. I just think that claiming Mo Williams is a better passer than Douglas is not even true to begin with, especially considering that Douglas has not even had a chance to really grow and develop.

Again, I just want to clarify that I agree with you, the Knicks need to get another playmaking pg/sg if they want to be better than the Cavs. But sometimes you make it seem like Mo Williams is what the Knicks need, when I would argue that pretty much every guy the Knicks could plug in there, would be an upgrade over Williams, in terms of fitting in well with Lebron. Not in terms of talent obviously as Mo Williams is a solid player.

I never said Mo’ Williams is what we need, I’m making the argument that he’s better than Toney Douglas (passing) and if it didn’t work out with Mo’ (or Gibson for that matter) it’s not going to work out with Douglas. I’d rather try a different approach than have LBJ as primary facilitator, creator and finisher.

lol HaS. Even when we agree we have to argue about it.

I guess we will just disagree about Mo Williams passing ability compared to Toney’s passing ability, but that doesn’t really matter because in the end we both agree that the Knicks should try a different approach with a true playmaking pg/sg than what the Cavs did with Mo Williams.

The fact that Mo Williams isn’t a pure point guard is not the reason why “it didn’t work out”. And I’m not saying that LeBron James can’t play with a pure point guard, but he doesn’t need one. And he doesn’t need to be the “primary facilitator, creator and finisher” even if doesn’t play with a pass-first point guard.

What didn’t “work out” is Mike Brown’s idea that LeBron must be the “primary facilitator, creator and finisher”. Everybody stops and watches LeBron play 1-on-5. Mike Brown’s offense is not characterized by off-the-ball movement, ball movement, pick-and-roll plays… Just isolation plays and penetration/kick-outs.

LeBron doesn’t NEED a pure point guard.

It is OBVIOUS that LeBron James would be more effective with GREAT point guards like Rondo, Paul or Williams. This is so obvious, I don’t think it needed to be said – I mean everybody understands that! By the way, how the hell are you going to aquire a Deron Williams???

I believe that he NEEDS a point guard who can knock down open jumpshots. Being the great player that he is, he’ll always draw double-teams – but they will have no consequences if your point guard can’t take advantage of it when he’s open!

“I’m gonna go out on a limb and say I think LeBron is a millionaire already”

Hahaha

“He’d have to stay in Cleveland to do what Jordan did, he resurrected that Chicago franchise and brought them their 1st NBA Championship”

Well he couldn’t do it without Scottie Pippen and the Cavaliers don’t have enough assets to aquire a Scottie Pippen.

I think this line-up is terrible.

The idea that LeBron can play PG because he’s a good passer is stupid in my opinion – no shots.

1. Superscrub
2. He’s OK
3. Scrub
4. Superscrub

“having an agressive fast strong quick lockdown defender at the PG spot is something lebron has lacked badly”

Yeah Mo Williams was definitely the weak link in the Boston series. His lack of defense was exposed against Rajon Rondo who looked like the best player on the floor. I’m not saying that Douglascan stop Rondo but I wonder if he’s good enough to contain him in a playoff series.

I was going to write something about this possibility a while ago but thought …meh…whats the point ?

LBJ was a point guard in his first year in the NBA and played teh 1 earlier in his career .

I think Lebron in this system would be a great POINT FORWARD .

We definitely need interior D. We need another great player in teh post to play along side Lebron. Boozer and Lebron were very good together .I do not know what that relationship is after what happened in Cleveland but that is something to consider . Bosh people think is the better fit but he averages .5 more blocks and has less assists so I think neither is a threat for slashing guards when it comes to D. We know D Lee is the cheaper option and can sustain the NY media. Boozer doesnt really block shots either

Amare Stoudemire seems like the best fit . Although less of a rebounder at 8 per , he still scores in the 20′s and is a much better shot blocker at just under 2 per game.

Who can be that player who swats at a high click?

BTW…… I think Amare will sign an extension in PHX anyway ….

They reached WCF and PHX can give him the most money

Seems like a no brainer really

“What didn’t “work out” is Mike Brown’s idea that LeBron must be the “primary facilitator, creator and finisher”. Everybody stops and watches LeBron play 1-on-5.”

Not saying I disagree, but if you think it was the coach then why wouldn’t a coaching change keep him in Cleveland?

“Well he couldn’t do it without Scottie Pippen and the Cavaliers don’t have enough assets to aquire a Scottie Pippen.”

You people act as if there is absolutely no way that the Cavs could revamp the roster while LeBron is in his prime, he isn’t in his 30′s lol.

Not to mention that up there ^ in the other thread you pretty much said the team underachieved because of Mike Brown, if LeBron sees it that way he may decide to give it another go on a short contract.

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