Lottery 3.0

No disrespect Andrew but this idea is stupid in my opinion.

The Chicago Bulls could’ve tanked to win the first overall pick. They were one loss away from being a lottery team – they could’ve lost a couple of games on purpose to win the John Wall/Evan Turner sweepstakes. Is that really what you’re advocating?

idk bout that one Andrew…lol……i actually think the NBA has the best system, in that teams can’t throw their games, to get the #1 pick….like they can do in other sports like the NFL….

since the lottery was started, what 3 teams w/ the worst record has actually won the lottery….i think those are good odds…..

i’m still convinced in some cases it’s a lil rigged, like us w/ Pat Ewing, Cleveland w/ Lebron….AND I TRULY BELIEVE IF THE NYETS WIN IT TONIGHT, DRAGO BOUGHT IT….

I don’t like the NBA’s way of deciding the draft. I think the NFL’s way is better, I think the NBA’s way is kind of toying with a franchise’s future.

I guess the first two times you posted this idea weren’t enough punishment for you. Back for more?

No disrespect, but it would be hard to come up with a worse way to do the lottery.

8 seeds rarely do much in the playoffs, especially when there is a dominant 1 seed in their conference. This would definitely give incentive to lose for teams on the verge of making the playoffs, because odds are there chances for winning in the future would be greater if they were to not make the playoffs. Sorry, but i have to disagree.

Yeah, I agree your idea is pretty terrible. If a team is significantly worse than all the others, why are you punishing them and continuing their poor play. The whole idea of draft order is the team that needs it the most gets the best pick, so as to create parity.

Under your idea no one would want to be 8th seed in the playoffs, and you would just be improving average teams, while the weakest ones continued to suffer.

You’d be better of finishing 1 spot out of the playoffs a couple years in a row and readying yourself for a run, than you would be fighting for the playoffs on the years where you could be 8th seed.

The lottery may not be the best system, but it is better than anything else I have heard.

One idea I have come up with (wait until the end before you bash it lol)

Is to set the top 3 draft picks at all star break. This would prevent the fear of tanking, as most teams would probably shy away from tanking games so early in the year. And most likely if you truly are the worst team you will have the poorest record by allstar break anyway.

The problem is teams do tank during the season when there’s a big prospect coming to the league (Duncan 97, Lebron 03, Oden 07). It does add incentive for teams to continue to win after the all star break and it’s pretty obvious they’re not making the playoffs if givesthem motivation to win and at least keeps the games meaningful during those games in march when the playoffs are solidified.

These games are for the fans as well, who’s gonna pay $200 bucks for tickets and food to watch a game where there’s no meaning? It might actually help attendance during that second half of the season.

I might take it a step further and make it a hybrid of both the lottery and positioning incentive: how about the team with the best second half record that didn’t make the playoffs gets a 40-50% chance of landing the number 1 pick? It still prevents tank jobs and it also doesn’t gurantee the team that almost made the playoffs the #1 pick as well so it still gives every team a chance as long as they played hard the entire season. I think that would be great for the game, for the fans and the league

by setting the top 3 draft picks at all star break i mean by worst record, not by lottery, if that wasn’t clear.

lol, yea that’s a horrrrrible idea also….what if u have a guy(ur best player) come back from injury and you have a huge turn around after the all-star break, and end up making the playoffs? lol..

I THINK THE BEST CHANGE THEY CAN DO IS GIVE ALL THE LOTTERY TEAMS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FIRST PICK…EVERYONE GETS THE SAME AMOUNT OF BALLS(no homo,lol)….this way, no teams intentionally try to tank to get a better percentage….

please cite an example of a season where a team was dead last at allstar break and went on to make the playoffs. You can stop looking now because it hasn’t.

Lol after ragging on others ideas, you come up w the worst one yet. Under your system the worst team has just a good a shot as any team that followed behind it, good system.

the way it is now,you wouldve had to throw alot of games to have a worse record than the Nets

SOOOOO, ur saying a team should jus tank the whole first half of the season, soo they can jus be handed the first pick…..instead of trying to be the best team by the all-star break, lets jus be the worst team, so we can get the first pick next yr…

SORRY HOMIE, UR IDEA IS PURE IDIOTIC….

UMMMMMM exactly….lol, which means, nooo matter if u try and tank the whole year, you have the same percentage of getting the first pick, as the last team out of the playoffs…

the whole point of the lottery is to avoid teams tanking…..but teams still do so, to try and get more balls….soo if all teams out of the playoffs have an equal opportunity, teams will play out the season rather than sitting guys and trying to have the worst record in the league…

the point of the draft is more important than the point of the lottery – you are supposed to reward THE WORST TEAM, you are not supposed to give the best pick to a below average team. The lottery was created to try and put a safe guard to prevent tanking, but the main objective is too still reward the worst team, as you see with how many ping pong balls you get.

idiotic lol. Im starting to think I am arguing with a 12-14 year old, so I might be wasting me breath.

But try explaining to your franchise that you tanked the first half of the season so you possibly get the first pick.

I don’t think your fanbase would appreciate you starting the season by purposely losing, without giving the present season a chance.

this idea prevents teams who know they are already out of any type of playoff race, and who’s fans could care less about the rest of the season, from tanking.

I think this method makes sense, many sub par teams have done well after the all star game and deserve to be rewarded. It sucks to pay money for tickets and watch teams lose on purpose, or watch players show no effort. With this method, games do not become boring and both teams have incentives to win late in the season (playoff bound teams- to get a higher seed, nonplayoff bound teams- to get a higher chance of winning the lottery)

interesting argument.. I don’t like how teams have tanked, either… but that’s what the lottery is supposed to help stop. I think if you get rid of the system as it is, it lessens competitive balance… the draft should be there where teams that are not as good have a chance to get the talent and build a team to compete with the better teams.

I think there should maybe be some type of cash bonus/cap relief for the teams that do the best post all-star break. that’ll give bottom level teams incentive to play harder…

the reason the worst team in the league has the best chance at the #1 draft pick is to help the losing teams become more competitve.

if your system was put in place, all it would do is keep the worst teams down. Your idea helps create more of an emphasis on the 2nd half of the season, but it will ultimately ruin the chances of the Sacramentos, minnsesotas, and other small market teams.

the reason you give the worst team in the league the #1 pick is to help them improve and in turn create a more competitve NBA.

tell me how your plan helps the bottom 8 teams in the league.

I think all you guys have the right idea to get teams from tanking,but you have to emphasize the worst teams get a better shot at the lowest picks,you still have to have good management to make trades and good picks,I think the current system with all it’s faults is the fairer system.The NFL system is more prone to tanking,but has a more deeper draft.Hwll we can buy picks because we are rich how fair is that.

Did the Portland Trailblazers really deserve to draft Michael Beasley, Russell Westbrook or OJ Mayo with the 2nd overall pick in 2008 (a year after Brandon Roy was named rookie of the year and the Blazers drafted Greg Oden with the 1st overall pick)? Is that really fair?

You’re saying that “there should never be an incentive to lose in any sport”. Well there’s an incentive to miss the playoffs according to your system! The Blazers could’ve tanked knowing that they weren’t going anywhere in the playoffs without Greg Oden, Nicolas Batum and Joel Pryzbilla… and they could’ve won the John Wall sweepstakes!

Your system is flawed because it will not discourage more teamsfrom tanking. And it is unfair talent-wise. How will the Wizards or the Timberwolves find a way to win if they can’t rebuild through the draft?

lol + 10

The current lottery system does not stop tanking (see Celtics, T-Wolves the year of Oden and Durant) in the end it backfired for both teams but it didn’t stop them from losing on purpose. In fact, after a Celtics loss towards the end of that year Ryan Gomes said that it was better they lost because gave them better shot at Oden. ironically, he was dealt.

After watching Warriors destroy Mavs three years ago, and Bulls give Celtics all they could handle last year, I don’t think any professional team would say they’d rather have the first pick then the 8 seed and an opportunity to play playoff basketball, owners would agree as well, great TV and ticket sale revenue from postseason games.

Also, I don’t think teams this year purposely lost games, but once losing becomes habit there is ZERO incentive to win, I don’t believe the Nets were truly a 12-70 team this year just from losing Vince Carter. Harris, Lopez, etc. should have at least won 20-25, and I think they would have if bad play wasn’t rewarded

Just MHO

btw… and i dont take this the wrong way, but….

who are you?

do you just post this idea every year on lottery night and then take the other 364 off?

No wonder Tommy is balding. [No shots tommy, i'm a 24 year old with a terrible receeding hairline, myself.]

How about a system where a team is not allowed to trade their 1st round picks?

ps; I liked it when the Commish’s office freezed the envelope that said knicks on it so they could easily find it and pick NY #1 ( see 1982 Patrick Ewing)

As for other sports, basketball is unique in that tanking is possible. If you tanked, or didn’t play hard in football or hockey you could lose a limb, and in baseball the draft does not have as immediate an impact at the pro level as in the NBA

But look at one of the examples you used -’07 Oden. The two teams that ended up getting the top 2 picks (Oden and Durant) 7th and 5th worse records respectively, and the team that everyone knew actually was tanking (Celtics) ended up getting the 5th pick in the draft. So I think the system is as good as it is going to get. If you want to tweak the percentages some that is fine but at the same, certain teams really are just that bad i.e Kings 2 years ago, so I don’t think it would be fair to punish them even more.

Sidenote, naturally the Celtics turned their #5 overall pick into the key piece of their trade for Ray Allen, so it worked out well for them anyway

Quickly, as for the idea that the draft is supposed to help the bottom teams. The Raptors finished 9th in East this year, Nets finished last. I don’t think there is any way the teams are 28 games apart. The Nets should have grown a pair and battled the way Toronto did. The Hawks had a pick in the top 5 for 8 consecutive seasons, so the draft did not help them get back to fielding competitive team

“you are supposed to reward THE WORST TEAM”

And that is the problem with the system. Teams are fighting to be the worst team at the end of the year to get the biggest reward. That goes against the purpose of athletic competition…. and screws the current ticket holders for the benefit of future ticket holders. By doing this you have teams throwing games, and in some cases a team can make the playoffs if it has enough tanking teams on its schedule in the last two or three weeks. So you get weak 8th, and sometimes 7th seeds that couldn’t beat a team that missed the playoffs because they played more non-tanking teams.

The draft is supposed to help teams get better, not reward them for playing stinking. Working harder to be better is a more realistic way to improve than hoping a ping pong ball goes your way. I like Andrew’s idea and Shakes’ idea. Although neither is perfect, both have merit. I would even suggest a hybrid:

Have the three teams with the best record choose first in order, then give everyone else one ping pong ball. This would work for three reasons:

1) If you’re on the bubble, you either get in the playoffs or get rewarded for trying. And you can only tank but so many games if you’re on the bubble because you could still be knocked out by a lower team trying to move into a guaranteed spot.

2) Teams just under the bubble have a reason to play hard because you still may earn a top three draft spot if you win enough games down the stretch.

3) Teams that won’t make the playoffs and won’t get a top three spot will have a reason to play “effort” players to try to develop them for the future. They may not win, but the fans get to see players hustle. Even in NY, if the team has 27 wins with three games left and players are still flying into the stands after loose balls, we’ll cheer our heads off.

I just really don’t like the system as it it.

Difference between NBA and NFL is nobody really tanks football games mainly due to the fact that I feel no player wants to get his ass kicked (literally not just on a scoreboard) to throw a game

people act as though at the end of the season there are a bunch of teams going around tanking games, this is rarely the case. Maybe the teams at the very bottom, say the last two teams try and tank the last month or so, but w this system it doesn’t even improve your odds of getting the first pick that significantly to finish last or second to last.

And I am sure you would argue the knicks weren’t tanking games at the end of this year, being they didn’t have their pick, and actually had incentivie to try and stay out of the lottery.. and how much more enjoyable were they to watch than the nets… the nets actually beat us twice and they were “tanking”

“I don’t think any professional team would say they’d rather have the first pick then the 8 seed and an opportunity to play playoff basketball, owners would agree as well, great TV and ticket sale revenue from postseason games”

I think you’re wrong! The hype surrounding the draft would be a lot bigger than an elimination in the first round of the playoffs. The Blazers are not playing just to make the playoffs today, they want to win a championship! Now what is better for their future? John Wall or a first-round loss to the Phoenix Suns during which Brandon Roy could’ve been seriously injuried?

I think thats an interesting idea Andrew. Its just tough, because as people said earlier in the thread it would keep bad teams down and make decent teams into super teams, probably even further destroying the idea of parity in this system.

But I do agree that terrible tank jobs that are embarrassing to fan bases such as what the Nets did last year should be discouraged by any means. I think the current system does it best. It gives them the best chance out of anyone to get the number one pick, but it doesn’t by any stretch guarantee that a tanking team will be reward. I think its something like only a 25% chance for the worst team right?

So, I think the current system is the best possible way to do it.

Maybe, and this might be stupid, they could eliminate the worst team from the lottery running for the 1st pick, and have the worst team pick 2nd or 3rd. Then the rest of the non playoff teams can have a lottery for the 1st pick. This way eliminates the potential for teams to put on embarrasing displays like the Nets this year, but still makes sure they are rewarded with a good player so they can truly have a chance to rebuild. And the other teams are rewarded with a chance for at least not tanking that badly and embarrasing fan bases.

Are you really argueing that the draft is not an integral part in team building? REALLY? REALLY?? that it should be written off just because the Hawks didn’t draft well? What about teams like Portland, OKC, Bulls, etc?? Where would they be without the draft?

You focus TOO much on teams tanking. Which may or not be an issue [I tend to agree that teams tank], but it is not the issue i’m asking you to confront.

The reason the draft is the way it is, is to help create a more competetive league. IN THEORY, the best rookies wind up on the worst teams AKA the teams that need them the most. This helps create better competition throughout the league.

I’ll ask you again…

In YOUR draft scenario… How do you expect the bottom 8 teams to stay competitve?

Tell me how the Timberwolves will find a way to offer a winning product if they can’t rebuild through the draft. They don’t have a very talented team and they are not attractive to free agents – how the hell will they find a way to compete if they continuously have to settle for the 11th, the 13th or the 14th pick in the draft?

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You say that no team would rather have the first pick than the 8 seed, but that is not true especially if a player is coming out that is expected to be a superstar (Lebron, Oden/Durant, Rose, potentially Wall), but I don’t believe that is true at all. Think about the value a superstar brings to a franchise more than anything. They say if Lebron leaves the value of the Cavs drops $150 mill. Do you really think a team would rather go into the playoffs (as an 8 seed they will have no shot of winning a title, considering it literally has never happened before and only 3 8 seeds have ever made it out of the 1st round) then potentially add that kind of value to their franchise for years to come and at little cost? I’m sorry I don’t think any team in that particular situation would do what you say, except perhaps Mark Cuban. But say your plan was in place then it would be possible that the 2003 NBA Draft would have gone as such

1. Houston Rockets – Lebron James (year after drafting Yao depending on when your plan is instituted one year will have a good team getting a great pick following another)
2. Seattle Sonics – Carmelo Anthony/possibly Darko (with already Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis on the roster
3.Golden State Warriors – Wade/Anthony
4. Wizards or Knicks (same record) – Chris Bosh

Besides th eKnicks possibly getting another pick you would then have 3 franchises potentially permanently screwed (Cleveland, Miami, Denver) with another one very close (Toronto)
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And that’s the problem is teams tanking and they’re not even winning the lottery, so u end up seeing a bunch of D-league players when people pay to see pure NBA guys and it becomes all for nothing, at least your always gonna see good basketball throughout the entire league, heck u could even have espn doing little segments on the race for the top pick and teams that aren’t making the playoffs all of a sudden have must wins to get the top prospect (or at least the best chance) that would be exciting to follow to me instead of rooting for my team to lose so we could get the best chance. (unless you’re a Knicks fan cuz we never keep our draft picks, even after we pick em’) LOL

and i’ll take it i’m arguing w/ a mc “so I might be wasting me breath.” WASTING ME BREATH…HAHAH, what are you popeye….and pause on that homie…i’m 28, i’m a grown ass man…..def don’t go there….

i know ur idea might have sounded swell in your head….but it makes absolutely nooo sense….lets give a team the first pick at the all-star break…so they have nothing to play for the rest of the year….GREAT IDEA….

I just don’t like the idea that everyone assumes that the team who finishes dead last must have tanked games to some capacity.

If you are truly the worst team in the NBA there is a good chance you end up w the worst record no matter how much you try down the stretch. If you are the worst no matter how hard you play, you deserve the most help, ie the first pick – not second.

lol let’s not use vernacular to base who people are. …. i don’t know any “grown ass man” who uses “homie” lol … turn down your jay-z blueprint 3 for a second so you can comprehend logic…

how would awarding draft order at all-star break leave “nothing to play for”… you are only strengthening my argument,… you are not supposed to “play for” last pick… you would agree you are supposed to play to win…. so what difference does it make if draft order is set at the end of the season or all star break…

is there a better chance a team tanks games at the very end of the season when there’s zero reason to win games, or towards the middle of the season when theres a lot of games to be played?

If this was stated earlier, I apologize and agree. Just make it so every team that doesn’t make the playoffs has an equal opportunity. Everyone gets 1 ball. That’s a real lottery and would be quite exciting to watch. This way you prevent tankers and teams who decided they weren’t going to lay down to a playoff bound team or ran into a playoff bound team that rested their stars has to suffer any consequences.

Andrew, how exactly do you punish a team for being absolutely terrible?

It is very rare that there is a player that great that teams are willing to tank to get and the ones that do are much less than a handful. Even in those years it’s maybe 1 or 2 teams you can accuse of intentionally “tanking”, but those teams are already bad anyway, so I’d say they are hardly ruining the viewing experience of the average NBA fan. Also, when teams are that bad they are barely on national television to begin with.

It’s not that big of a problem to make such a drastic change that would only cause more issues to develop.

Yikes Andrew! I can’t believe you spend so much time on a concept and came up with that?

I kinda get what you’re trying to do but your system would reward underachievers who missed out on the playoffs over truly bad teams! I think the lottery helps with stop teams from throwing a season because there is no guarantee that they will win the top pick and etc.

So teams should try to win games but NO season can stop ALL possible abuses completely.

In your scenario, I could, as aGM, decide to have my team to just miss the playoffs knowing that my team would get stumped playing against the 1st or 2nd seed. i would elect to take my chances getting the 1st draft pick especially if I knew it had a player that could really change my team’s fortune.

yeah i don’t get it. I don’t think any Nets fans were outraged that they paid good money for a game that last month only to see them get blown out bc they tanked. I am pretty sure most nets fans would be unhappy if they would have won at that point.

And even if the Nets do try to win at the end of the season, they aren’t going to beat any of the teams that are fighting for the playoffs or playoff positioning anyway. Their losses really only affect the second worst team, who I have trouble feeling sorry for.

How does tanking in basketball guarantees ya the top spot? There’s still the lottery balls!

I give a ton of credit to Andrew for putting this lame unorthodox idea out there to be critiqued and analyzed by everyone though.

lol…and we thought he was HaS! I think I had it correct before Andrew is _aS! Just killing Andrew! EOP Equal Opportunity Pummeling here on TKB! lol

i have no idea why i’m even going back and forth with your idea, and entertaining your bantar…there’s a reason why no one is commenting on it or even co-signing the idea…..

your idea has to be the worse idea put up in this comment section…….

*kidding*

I truly think DVJ put Andrew up to this. D-a-m-n ya Baghdad Bob!

I disagree Shakes. Teams DO tank. As in the case of Cleveland with Lebron. San Antonio with Duncan, and Im sure there are a few more. I actually can see where Andrews argument has some merit. It would keep teams playing hard all the way to the end, by incenting them with something.

I’m confused about your system. The team with the best 2nd half record gets the 1st pick. So is there a lottery for the rest of the 13 teams or does it go by record? By post all-star record?

Regardless, it seems punishes teams who genuinely suck as well as those that tank. And what about teams that make deadline trades? Teams will be punished for clearing cap space.

I do like the line of thinking though. Maybe you can use the current lotto system and have the record after the all-star break weighed in with the overall record of the lotto losers. Don’t feel like doing the math but you can temper the how much each record factors in.

lol, that was my exact idea and argument above….but obviously I agree….

2 UP on you lebronsignafterthex…haha, that’s 2 co-signs to YOUR 0!!!!

Interesting proposal, but logistically it can never work. Virtually every NBA team would opt for the first pick in the draft as opposed to the 8th seed in the playoffs. As a result, teams that are in mix late in the season for an 8 seed will likely start doing kooky things to actually avoid making the playoffs. This would result in players on those teams potentially losing a lot of $$ on possible playoff bonuses (as well as the potential future contract value which results from being a rotation player on a team making it to the post season). For that reason alone, the players’ union would never go for this type of proposal. Frankly, the only individuals who benefit from this system would be the arbitrators, since players on teams just missing out on the 8th seed would be very quick to file grievances against their owners, citing things that were done by such teams to actually lose games. The NBA wants no part of that scenario (particularly with the league already under enough scrutiny as is). Again, it’s an interesting idea, but there are too many inherent potential problems which can result.

Your system will not discourage more teams from tanking because the #1 pick is enticing to everybody. Playoff teams are generally one piece away from being championship contenders – they will sacrifice a first-round series if they can get the first pick in the draft. And the hype surrounding the draft is always ridiculous – teams will not lose money if they tank to miss the playoffs (assuming that they are not deep enough to win a championship) because they’ll be perceived as future contenders after the draft!

Teams will tank under the current system. But the team that wins the lottery can’t be a good team – no matter what they did to be in this position. They need to improve talent-wise regardless.

Teams will tank under your system as well, and you’re delusional if you don’t believe me. But your system can reward a good team which tanked on purpose to aquire another great player. Tanking doesn’t disappear but it penalizes teams that are already in need of help!

Andrew, it looks like you threw this egg out there and ran away from the smell. Even you aren’t defending your system. I truly hope you got a better grade on it in law school.

You’re playing defense like a D’Antoni coached team! lol Guard the paint!

You guys have to check this out, too funny…is this really what cleveland thinks will bring back lebron?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY1dQldCtOI

Thx DS! ROTFLMAO!

David Stern should revoke the Cavs franchise for this pathetic attempt to keep LBJ. the Cavs would have a better shot at keeping LBJ if they just pushed Delonte West and Mike Brown into oncoming traffic!

Well we can’t get any worse than thsi link pursuing LBJ, so don’t do anything to embarrass us DVJ!

I’m actually hurting inside from laughing so hard while watching that video. How embarrassing are these people?

My favorite is Tim Misny, Intimidating TV Lawyer, really some world class talent here!

I tell the bottom 8 teams… Step your game up! Play some defense, make a good trade, get creative in free agency, change your system. Anything instead of losing and praying the ping pong balls fall your way.

Just as many all-stars drafted mid-to-late first round as there are in the top 5. There are other ways to win….

Stay competitive by not sucking

It’s really sad…

lmao nets owner said its simple “we will turn knicks fans into nets fans” funny, you guys down lmao

I hope the nets don’t win, i think kings or…..maybe wolves win

What seed were the Knicks when they went to the finals in 99′

I’m going for Toronto.

World class organization and fans that is about to lose their best player for nothing. They deserve a good player up there.

Plus, they live in Canada.

ill never understand why some people have a problem with this system …
USUALLY the teams with the worst couple of records in the NBA are the WORST teams … sure, sometimes major injury (spurs 98) are an exception.
But for the most part the teams that are just not competitive on the court are given a chance to add the most talent to become competitive. The NFL goes directly by record. That’s a system that favors tanking a season because through 50-75% of the season an NFL team can be almost completely out of the playoff picture. At least with the NBA we have seen teams go on second half runs (1999 knicks) that propel them from dead and buried, to the NBA finals. Sure, teams in the NBA who are WAY out of the race the last month or so may tank a few games, but theres ZERO way to prevent that without implementing STRANGE measures. For an 82 Game season the NEW JERSEY NETS played worse than anyone else in the NBA = they get the BEST/HIGHEST chance to get the #1 pick in the draft …..
For the sake of keeping competitive balance in sports this is the best system. Throw competitive balance out the window, me might as well make it an uncapped sports ….
Nothing in this world is perfect, but let’s at keep something as effective as the NBA draft untouched

If Minnesota is smart and they get the top pick they will trade it.

Rubio’s value is minimal because no one knows when (or if) he is coming or where he will play. Flynn had a rough year.

They could get future #1 picks and a real impact player for John Wall. Wouldn’t be a popular decision but Kahn would look pretty dumb for picking three PGs in the lottery in two years and signing Sessions.

That’s just typical stupidity/arrogance from a guy new to the scene, who thinks he can just buy whatever he wants. The problem for him is that his current fanbase consists of about 15 people.

YES

yea .. i can’t see anyway that anyone can argue that Ricky Rubio’s value is any higher than it was on Draft night last year …. Kahn FAILED ..
i remember all the people here saying ohhhh wowww what a smart move, collecting assets!! lol

John Wall for Evan Turner plus another unprotected first round draft pick?

Great trade for Minn.

This is tough to watch…

Isiah Thomas should be representing Utah lol…

this guy Kahn is delusional … you also had 2 of the top 10 picks last year and still are a horrid team

I actually liked this video. Catchy tune.

We miss Lebron. We really liked you.

Kahn is insane. I’m convinced.

YES YES YES.

No #1 for Utah.

For some reason I believed that the Sixers and the Wizards would be in the top 3.

Sweett!

This is sickening. The gun show gets the #1 pick.

At least they don’t play in our division.

But hey, the Wizards are such a poor franchise… they are not fresh and they don’t have many good young players… Wall with the Sixers would’ve been more exciting… more dangerous too.

bye bye Arenas

I don’t want to see his stupid face again… Arenas is the last thing the NBA needs.

you better hope you dont have to see him in the orange and Blue lmao

Pretty good news from a Knicks perspective as to how this played out. No John Wall to the Nets (at least not for now). Their own pick went 9th. The top pick goes to a team outside of their division, who is no threat to sign James. Not too bad-could have been worse.

Who will the Timberwolves draft? They already have Kevin Love and Al Jefferson – trade season is coming!

1. Wizards – Wall
2. Sixers – Turner (Holiday plus Turner is niiiiice mayne!)
3. Nets – Favors
4. Timberwolves – Johnson?
5. Kings – Cousins

That is your answer? “Stay competetive by not sucking”??

Really? You sound like a guy thats simply too lazy to defend his own senior thesis.

Your tips for improving the bottom teams in the NBA make it seam so easy. But its not as simple as you make it out to be.

For teams like the Knicks, maybe. Because they are a big market team, who can spend big money, and have external factors that would interest a free agent.

Teams like Minnessota & Sacramento on the other hand would be screwed under your draft scenario. How do they attract free agents?

“Hey come play in NothingsVille USA! Our team finished last in the standings but why the hell not!?”

or to other GMs for trades…

GM #1: Hey dude! Lets talk trades! I’ve got a roster full of great young guys!

GM #2: Who? No. Tyreke Evans.

A bad team is a bad team. The difference between a 60 win team and a 20 win team is not going to be made up by changing the system or emphasizing defense. And when you’re dealing with small market teams, they cant just enter free agency and make a splash.

“Just as many all-stars drafted mid-to-late first round as there are in the top 5. There are other ways to win….”

Yes. Sometimes great players wind up getting drafted outside of the lottery. But for the most part, the future all-stars come with the top picks.

But the point is you want to take the power out of the struggling team’s hands. In order to create competition you need to put the worst teams in the best situation to improve.

Be careful what you say because Arenas might be one of our 2 max stars that many of ya talk about!