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First Round Pick Cap Holds

by Tommy Dee on June 3rd, 2010 at 9:22 am

Via our good friend Larry Coon, who literally answers every question on Twitter.

It appears, if the Knicks target the 25th pick currently held by the Grizzlies, it will garner a hold of $925,100 according to the 2010-11 rookie scale.

If you can’t open up the PDF, here are the the holds for the rest of the picks in the 20s.

20. 1,134,500
21. 1,089,100
22. 1,045,600
23. 1,003,800
24. 963,600
25. 925,100
26. 894,400
27. 868,600
28. 863,300
29. 857,000
30. 850,800
  • cragganmor

    $925K is a small cap hit to pay if we can get a good talent like Dominique Jones or Larry Sanders.

  • Chris Alvino

    Or Willie Warren.

    There is no telling who might fall.

  • itzyung1

    I Think DJ will be gone by 25. I heard the Bulls love him and might take him with their pick.
    I Seriously want Terico White Though!! He is going to be really good.
    At 25 our possible picks should be Larry Sanders, Terico White, and Alabi.

  • bbrody1

    Tommy this is slightly misleading because every empty spot on our roster has a caphold already. For example although the 25th pick is 925k its not subtracting 925k from out available money to spend on FA’s.

    “•A roster charge if the team has fewer than 12 players (players under contract, free agents included in team salary, players given offer sheets, and first round draft picks). The roster charge is equal to the rookie minimum salary for each player below 12. The roster charge only applies during the offseason.”

  • BiggieSmalls

    give than man a cigar.

    cap hit is First Round minimum MINUS the vet minimum cap hold (about 500K)

  • http://theKnicksBlog.com Tommy Dee

    I don’t follow…

  • EQ1217

    So what is the actual cap hit $425K?

  • Chris Alvino

    Without looking up the exact specifications, there are ghost players that count against the cap. This takes into account the fact that each team needs at least twelve players on their roster. Each unfilled roster spot has a cap hold for the minimum.

    So I would imagine that brody is right in that the net cap hold is less than the gross cap hold above.

  • Afeingold

    If Memphis loses Gay they could keep all the first round picks. If this is the case they would need to pick up another wing and backup PG.

    What about the Knicks buying the 24th pick from the Hawks…if they re-sign Joe Johnson this might be an option

    I agree with the Larry Sanders or Alabi if the Knicks can get obtain pick from the Grizz.

  • cragganmor

    Yes, WW could be a steal, really shot well, over 70% overall in the Shooting Drills at the NBA Combine.

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  • cragganmor

    Agree, the Hawks want to win now, they don’t have time to develop rookies. If they lose JJ, I can see them trying to get Childers back or trading someone else (Bibby, JC or Marvin) to fill the void.

    The Magic are in the same situation, they too could be selling their pick.

  • http://theKnicksBlog.com Tommy Dee

    Gotcha…I knew the vacant spots had holds…should have deducted.

  • JaymanJD

    If the Knicks trade into the first round it better be to get a legit point guard like Eric Bledsoe PEriod. I do not want to hear about Sanders or any other Way Tooooo small to play Center player Sanders is like 6″8 without shoes and 205 pounds give me a break on that dude hes like the same size as chandler. Do the right thing walsh and make up for you terrible boneheaded 2009 draft when you stupidly passed on Jennings for hill only to trade him away. If Eric Bledsoe the second top point guard in the draft is still on the board at 20 to 25 you take him PERIOD!! Then in the second round you take the tallest shot blocking center propect on the board. And if you got to trade both seconds to move up and get a guy like whiteside or Solomon you do that. I would love to see a draft of Eric Bledsoe and either Solomon or Whiteside. With Eric Bledose you would be drafting for need and best player available. The kid is 19 years old and could grow into a superstar. But Tommy is right lets draft Sanders. Lets keep making the same boneheaded move over and over again. Seems like the definition of insanity. Every year for the past decade we say hey the Knicks need a legit point guard and what do they do they do not draft a point guard Wow. The Knicks need True Big men and True points guard for once Please. The knicks might be the worst drafters in the history of the league. Heres a list of big men and point guards the knicks missed out on in the past decade Not even including the drafts where they were not even in the first round because of some boneheaded trade.

    Point Guards:
    2009- Knicks selected Jordan Hill instead
    Jennings
    Holiday
    Collison
    2008
    Jerryd Bayless
    George Hill
    2006- Knicks selected Ranoldo Balkman one selection before Rajon but made up for it by drafting Mardy Collins
    Rajon Rando

    2003- As a side note the knicks were three strikes and your out this year not one of these three picks is still in the league.

    Leandrinho Barbosa

    BIG MEN
    2008- Knicks selected Gallo instead
    Anthony Randolph
    Brook Lopez
    Jason Thompson
    Roy Hibbert
    JaVale McGee
    2005- Knicks selected Channing Frye instead
    Ike Diogu
    Andrew Bynum
    DANNY GRANGER (not a big man but i had to put him because WOW)

    2003- Knicks decided undersize PF Michael Sweetney was the correct choice
    David West
    Kendrick Perkins
    Boris Diaw

    2002- Knicks though frank williams would be a super star
    Carlos Boozer

    I don’t even want to get into the 1990 to 1999 ewww maybe later.

  • EQ1217

    “2005- Knicks selected Channing Frye instead
    Ike Diogu”

    Ike Diogu really?

    and you rather have Roy Hibbert or Javale McGee instead of Gallo?

  • knicks613

    jayman,

    good work with the listing.
    knick fans need to take their medicine.
    draft is a crap shoot.
    this year’s draft is deep.
    no one knows about #’s 6-46!
    forget about trading up for a guaranteed 1st round salary player.
    take your 2 bodies at 38 and 39 with non-cap salaries.
    make them good picks; best pg and best over 250 pound player.
    we need to save $ for the free agents and possible sign and trade.

  • bmathews77

    In 2005, the Knicks could’ve drafted Andrew Bynum or Brandon Bass or Monta Ellis instead of Frye. I never liked that Isiah wanted to draft him,.

  • JaymanJD

    Yup I would to all of those. JaVale and Hibbert are true defensive Centers I would rather have that over a 3 point shooting big small foward any day because as much as a may like Gallo there are more players with his skill set than there are of JaVale. And on the question of Ike I dont really have to argue this because they miss out on Granger and Bynum but coming into the league I felt he was a better prospect given his skill set and what the knicks needed. But Ill give you Ike he is a stretch.

  • BiggieSmalls

    right now the knicks have 21.5 committed to salary cap including players on the roster and cap holds for minimum salaries @ 500K each..

    IF we get a first rounder in the mid 20′s with a 1 mm cap hold we can eliminate one minimum cap hold..

    So we would have 22 mil committed to salary cap (21.5 +(1.0-0.5))
    with the first rounder

  • JeffM729

    The draft is before free agency, so teams won’t know about free agents destinations at that time. The Hawks will probably draft a guard with Bibby and Johnson being tentative due to age and free agency.

  • JaymanJD

    My bad i meant a tall outside shooting center in channing frye not Gallo wrong year lol

  • Chris Alvino

    I agree on selecting a point guard. There is no guarantee that a guy like Bledsoe will be there at 25.

    The Knicks have passed on a bunch of good PG’s, but that does not mean that all PG prospects work out.

  • fauci933

    I don’t think Gallo’s skillset is exactly dime-a-dozen. I’d prefer Gallo over McGee. I do like McGee, but I think in the long run Gallo will become huge for us and become way more valuable than Javale McGee. Again I like McGee and he’s a machine when it comes to blocking shots, but I think with the 6th pick in the draft you go for someone who’s capable of becoming a star rather than a shot-blocking center.

  • JeffM729

    $473,604 is the amount for a vacant roster spot. All teams need 12 players minimum and the Knicks would have their 4 players, Gallo, Chandler, Douglas, and Curry, plus 8 spots to make 12.

    According to HoopsHype we have spent $17,782,904, add the $473,604 times 8, and that gives the Knicks a salary base of $21,571,726. Depending on the cap, there is about 35 million to spend.

    http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

  • NoVaCaInE

    +1

    I really like his upside. Poor mans Russell Westbrook?

  • fauci933

    No one knows about #’s 1-46 really. I think it’s primarily a two player draft with Wall and Turner. Everyone afterwards in the top ten is interchangeable. Cousins, Aminu, Favors, Johnson all could be hit or miss. This is a good year for us to have to pick late in the first and early 2nd because this draft is not top heavy and is really really deep. I think we’d still have enough room to sign 2 maxes after a late first rounder, especially if it’s a chance to grab someone like Bledsoe. Although I also think Randle, Vasquez, and Johnson are good options in the second if we don’t move into the first. Same with Pittman and Jerome Jordan. I know Pittman lost a lot of weight but he’s still pretty big and not that quick. Jordan looks like a project obviously, but most 2nd round big men are.

  • JaymanJD

    Thats is absolutely true not all point guard prospects work out I mean the knicks selected Frank Williams, but when you miss out on so many star point guards it shows a totally breakdown in the front office in the evalution of players. Yes every team makes mistakes and drafting is a tricky business but the knicks have showed a totally lack of an ability to even do their homework on players. It would be one thing if Walsh said “hey we saw Jenning and you know what we felt like he sucked” but its another things to say “hey I did not know much about him.” Why is it that team like the Spurs seem to find players out of no where but when players fall in the knicks lap they swing and miss time and time again. Its a breakdown in solid talent evaluation.

  • bbrody1

    buy atl’s 24th and okc’s 32nd

    y we wouldn’t do this i don’t know, we have 4 players and need a roster of 13

    if we do this according to many a mock draft we could have a draft of bledsoe, dominique jones, jerome jordan, varnado
    or alabi, warren, brackins, stephenson
    or jones, torrance, brackins, jordan

    we need pg, pf, c and even if we only get one starter out of those picks we still need backups – are we really gonna get anything better with vet min contracts? these players could all be great trade bait as well

  • JaymanJD

    Furthermore, just judging by the types of selection the Knicks make sometimes I think the knicks pick players based on personality and not skill. All you ever here is this guy is really nice. I don’t care if david lee is a nice guy. I don’t care if gallo’s father played with the coach. These are nice side stories. I want players who can ball. I would go as far as to say that Jordan hill was picked over Jennings because of character concerns. Jordan seemed like a nice guy and Jennings seemed like trouble. If we keep drafting like that will have a good team to have some tea and bisquits with.

  • fauci933

    I understand where you’re coming from, but character issues have been a big problem throughout this decade of despair. Isiah, Marbury, Curry, etc. all helped to develop the Knicks into the embarassment that they have been over the last ten years. I can udnerstand a bit why they would at least try to stray away from players who have character issues.

  • ds2488

    “2006- Knicks selected Ranoldo Balkman one selection before Rajon but made up for it by drafting Mardy Collins”

    Nice list but Mardy Collins is hardly a consolation prize for missing out on Rondo. Is he even in the league anymore?

  • JaymanJD

    Yes but their are character issues and then their are character stereotypes. For example: There is judging a book by its cover or actually researching the book. Also, what you are doing are mixing up what we are talking about when we think of character. Are we talking about character as a teammate or character in overall life. Now Marbury has great character in life he does more charity work than many players but on the court he has been a bad teammate. Michael jordan and Charles barkley were great players but don’t they have gambling issues. So what are we evaluating when we are talking about character. I want the knicks to be more focused on what type of player on the court they will be getting than whether that player plays classical piano. My thing is if anything these player did off the court was so bad they would not be allowed on the court. So until they break the law the knicks should judge them on their playing ability. You always here this kid has character issues because he hangs with a bad crowd. This seems more like character Stereotype than character flaw, because if the kid hung out with wall street types before 2008 we would all say this guy hangs out with top notch people.

  • ds2488

    lol. I’d be more worried if a kid’s hanging out with wallstreet types, the kid would probably be a greedy scumbag then.

    I get your point about Marbury, but I think Fauci was going with character as far as it blends into the team dynamic. Obviously Steph is one of the most charitable athletes ever off the court, but he is a notoriously horrible teammate who doesn’t give a crap about his team and just cares about himself. I think that’s what Fauci was going for with that, and in that case I agree.

  • ds2488

    anyway, I think Gallo was a good pick. I think maybe Jennings “character issues” might have contributed to the KNicks not picking him, but as you said the fact that he didn’t play much and DW admitted to never really getting a feel for him had to be the major reason he didn’t go with Jennings.

  • Gusurena

    I’d say Knicks should pursuit Dominique Jones, Trevor Booker and Jordan Crawford.

    From ESPN round table debating Key draft questions:
    ” What player outside of Chad Ford’s top 30 could you plug into the rotation of one of the teams in the Finals?

    Ford: Trevor Booker is a senior with NBA toughness, athleticism and a big-time motor. He won’t be a star in the NBA, but he’ll try to fit into the same mold as DeJuan Blair and Carl Landry. A team like the Boston Celtics or Los Angeles Lakers could use another guy like that right now.

    Thorpe: I think Dominique Jones could be a big help to Boston’s rotation. We all saw how Nate Robinson played the hero role for them in Game 6 of the Eastern Conference finals, and Jones has the talent and mindset to be similar. When the Celts last won the title, Eddie House was a big part of their second group. They do not have anyone who has been like him consistently, and Jones should be able to come into the league and score right away.

    Fraschilla: Trevor Booker gets my vote too. I have always advocated for second-round selections who have what I call “winning skills.” These are players that bring high energy on the court, a specific high-level skill and are low maintenance off the court. Booker fits this perfectly.

    After four years as an ACC starter, he has competed against — and in some cases dominated — guys who are already in the NBA. His power, explosive jumping ability, nose for the ball and experience would make for a great rotation player early in his career on a team like the Celtics. Think of him as a Glen Davis or Leon Powe type, both of whom had knocks on them coming out of college, but helped the Celtics win a title in 2008.

    Russillo: This is a tough one. Both teams could use a PG, but there are about five total in the top 60. The Celtics consider shooting one of the most important skills and there aren’t many shooters this year.
    The Lakers’ biggest weakness has been their bench, so I’ll say Dominique Jones as well. Jones can get to the rim, and if he could do that in the NBA, it would be great for a Lakers second unit that doesn’t have anyone to create their own shot consistently. Jones lived at the free throw line this year and that would be a nice virtue in L.A.

    What player outside of Chad Ford’s top 30 will be the best five years from now? In other words, which guy’s upside are you most willing to bank on?

    Ford: Jordan Crawford is my choice here. He’s a big-time scorer who has deep, deep range and combines that with terrific athleticism. If teams weren’t so concerned about his attitude, he’d be a lock for the first round.”

  • fauci933

    Well I’m talking about character as a teammate obviously. Those other things can be seen as red flags, but may not directly impact their play (although they can also draw focus away from what goes on on the court so it shouldn’t be ignored exactly). I don’t think it’s based on stereotypes, when kids have character issues they are usually reported and are just something to keep an eye on. I can’t fault a franchise for wanting to stay away from someone with baggage, but I do think everyone should be given a shot.

  • fauci933

    Ya that’s what I was mainly referring to.

  • HaS

    Jennings had 0 character issues. Walsh just blew it, move on.

  • Chris Alvino

    I am, and have been for a couple of years, high on Booker. He looks to dominate his opponents. Not a finesse guy at all.

  • fauci933

    I didn’t mention Jennings once, relax HaS; I just said character issues in general can’t necessarily be ignored. I have acknowledged many a time Walsh blew that pick.

  • HaS

    “I would go as far as to say that Jordan hill was picked over Jennings because of character concerns. Jordan seemed like a nice guy and Jennings seemed like trouble.”

    Relax fauci933, it’s nt always about you.

  • young hova

    Smart 6’10 good (with potential to become great) 3 point shooters who can play some defense and are only 21 are a dime a dozen?

  • fauci933

    Sorry didn’t mean to come off as hostile or anything, but technically you replied to my comment, hence the confusion.

  • Its The Kid

    Ridiculously misleading list. First off, you cant mention pgs and centers the Knicks didnt pick and put shooting guards and undersized pfs into the conversation. George Hill was not drafted as a point and Bayless was a combo guard at best out of college. And when Fyre was drafted and played for the Knicks he was coveted by teams all over the league after his rookie season, the mistake was Thomas not noticing his value and getting the most for him at the time where he seemingly peaked. The year the Knicks passed on Rondo they had Marbury, Francis, Crawford, and Nate why would the draft a conventional point at that time. Collins could play 3 positions. Fans would have murdered them. I loved Rondo in college and thought he would be a great pro, but I understood the reasoning at the time. Now I agree that drafting Gallo wasnt the best move for a team in need of a big. I will always believe that the Knicks should have drafted Lopez because talented centers are alot harder to find in this league. Lopez may already be a top 5 center in this League. Where does Gallo rank at his position? Better yet, What position does Gallo play? I also agree that Hill shouldnt not have been drafted ahead of Jennings. Jennings had more upsided and was a need.

  • JaymanJD

    i was being sarcastic hahah

  • HaS

    Sorry, I should have quoted in the first place. That’s the exact reason I started doing that lol even though some “closet readers” of this blog hate it. 8)

  • JaymanJD

    Nate, Marbury,, Francis, and Crawford are all shooting guards who can play a little point guard they are not what you call pure point guards. So yeah the knicks needed a point guard and even if they felt marbury was a point guard he certainly was not the future. Rando would have been the future with time to develope. Second, this is where you get in trouble not drafting talent but draft primarily on need. Now need is very important but it should never trump talent. Third, even if i take your points about channing frye that still does not excuse them for not taking Danny Granger or andrew bynum. Sorry. Also, what a player is or was in college is not the job of a scout the job of a scout is to figue out whether a players skill set in college will translate to the pros and what that translation will be. Whether George hill was a point guard in college is reall irrelevant the point is that the spurs were savy enough to think that he could be a good point guard thats what matters. The evaluation of talent not the obvious stuff. Plus in 2008 the knicks still chose gallo over at least three better big men prospects in randolph, lopez, and thompson.

  • JeffM729

    The two player draft notion is usually not accurate. Let’s go back a few years. It was a two man draft with Rose and Beasley and another two man draft with Oden and Durant.

  • ds2488

    lol. Ok, didn’t catch that. Good work then Jayman, the joke’s on me lol.

  • fauci933

    I know it’s not a sure thing. That’s why I said no one knows about #1-46 rather than 5-46 but you could tell Net fans were pissed they missed out on the two players who everyone thinks are not question marks and will be excellent pros.

  • fauci933

    Haha well quoting is quite useful in my opinion, so I would say keep it up.

  • Its The Kid

    I hear you, but now you are contradicting yourself. Your first argument was to pick for need, now you are saying you cant pick for need. The Knicks have made mistakes but every single team has made mistakes in drafting. Frye may not be better than Bynum but when you evaluate the two are you taking into account that Bynum is extremely injury prone. No GM can read the future, you have to make the best decisions for the present keeping the future in mind. Frye was a good pick at the time, he was runner up for rookie of the year until he got injured at the end of the season, Bynum was avg 1pt. And as far as Rondo, yes the Knicks could have used a pass first pg. But Rondo wouldve never played on our team he wouldve been backing up two all-star caliber pgs. And yes Francis and Steph are pgs not shooting guards… They were signed til 2009 so they were our future, Nate was in his second year, and Jamal was signed to 2011… Not alot of minutes there

  • Its The Kid

    I’m just saying things are not that cut and dry. I would love to have Rondo on our team, but I doubt we would be seeing the same player now, if the Knicks drafted him then. It was a bad situation for him to come into.

  • blackwood

    Hey Kid we never exchanged on the blog before but at last what seems to be a knicks fan who can see realistically and not with a bias or hate based revisionist history!!

    +1

  • blackwood

    Point Guards

    http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/2010-Point-Guards

    The shallowest group of point guards we’ve seen in quite some time, its entirely possible that only a single point guard will be picked in the first round. As we learned in the 2006 NBA Draft, where there wasn’t a single point guard taken until the 21st pick, teams won’t necessarily reach for a player just because he plays a certain position.

    It should be noted that many of the players currently slated in the shooting guard ranking list could very well end up making their living at the point, especially in the more wide-open and increasingly position-less basketball we find in today’s NBA.

    1 John Wall PG
    19 years old, 6′ 4″ 195lbs.
    Kentucky

    2 Jerome Randle PG
    23 years old, 5′ 10″ 160lbs.
    California

    3 Eric Bledsoe PG/SG
    19 years old, 6′ 1″ 190lbs.
    Kentucky

    4 Mikhail Torrance PG/SG
    21 years old, 6′ 5″ 210lbs.
    Alabama

    5 Alexey Shved PG
    21 years old, 6′ 5″ 161lbs.
    Dynamo Moscow

    6 Armon Johnson PG/SG
    21 years old, 6′ 3″ 195lbs.
    Nevada

    7 Greivis Vasquez PG/SG
    23 years old, 6′ 5″ 195lbs.
    Maryland

    8 Sherron Collins PG
    23 years old, 5′ 11″ 190lbs.
    Kansas

    9 Ben Uzoh PG/SG
    22 years old, 6′ 3″ 200lbs.
    Tulsa

    10 Stefan Markovic PG
    22 years old, 6′ 5″
    KK Hemofarm

  • http://www.youtube.com/tharealest62qb DaGawD_KnowLedge

    if i was dolan i would buy all the picks from 24 an up

  • blackwood

    Jerome Randle is the second best (the #1 PG if he was 6’2) to sleep on this guy will be another bone head miss at a position of need.

    I do agree about getting a legit big for sure.

  • Its The Kid

    Good looking out… I just get the feeling that fans tend to ignore the past, when they mention the present.

  • YO SON

    +1 Kid

    You see more gallo’z then Lopez’z(rare specie) around the league…..

    Rondo would have been a bust if he was drafted here(to much money invested in that position was not climbing over them was not good enough at the time, and is a considered by his teammates head coach and gm as a head case and this is AFTER he won a ring maybe even prior….if he was on the Knicks watching those dudes before him play that position would have been the worse thing possible for him)……

    Bynum would have been a bust if he was drafted here(even though a lot of money was invested at the time he doesn’t have the desire to climb over dudes to get to the top by the time curry and jj would have been injured to get his opportunity he wouldn’t know what to do with it because it wasn’t HANDED to him from jump…. he’s wasn’t mentally ready to come to NY as a lottery pick and survive having to deal with so many circumstances to overcome when a guy doesn’t have a desire for ball AT THE TIME)………BUST!!!!!

    And the best thing he said to me really was that we really don’t know what position Gallo is because whether he is a 3 or a 4 we are getting MOST LIKELY 2 Superstars or 1 and a 1/2 that play the same position…..his value is off the bench because he can give us valuable minutes at both(NOT AS A STARTER)…and please don’t respond with the system and bosh will be a 5 talk because we will win NOTHING with gallo at 4 and bosh at 5 *STRAIGHT MARSHMALLOW*….NBA not Euro………………

  • Sharp Elbow

    I agree with buying as many picks as we can. I hope we land the LBJ like everyone else, but if we don’t I don’t want to ruin our flexibilty. If we got a bunch of young players, hopefully develop a few, and go into next year we’d be in a good position. How nice would it be to have a lot ofgood young talent and be a position to sign Melo a year from now or D12 in two?

  • Sharp Elbow

    Buy buy buy

  • Its The Kid

    Definitely didnt have the environment for either to succeed. Bynum benefitted from having a structured system that didnt change in his 5years in the league and was tutored by Kareem… There was no structure here and no Kareem, no Ewing, nobody to help him get better. The Knicks didnt even invest in putting Curry around personal coaches, and they paid him like 50mil and traded numerous assets… Why would they do that for Bynum?

  • Ray

    Shouldnt there be a height limit for PG’s ?? I mean really , Nate is a PG , hes not a SG. EVen if you play him in the two spot hes just not a 2. Hes just a really poor 1. Call it what it is. Im tired of the whole undersized argument. These kids should have their skills refined before they come to the NBA instead of having no where to play because no one taught them properly. Thats why there should be a rule to make these kids stay in school longer. We would have deeper drafts with kids that have been properly taught and everyone one would have a better gage on who is NBA ready or not. That all i hea about these days…undersized PG, PF, C’s. Its a joke.

  • JaymanJD

    your right most likely the knicks would have probably distroyed the future of any prospect they would have taken. Maybe its a good thing Jenning was not taken by the Knicks they would have killed his career like they have so many other prospects.

  • YO SON

    Exactly………glad to see there’s another addition to the site that can see the REAL TRUTH and the whole truth……and not be BABOOZLED by hypocritical, bias, liars…..good work …1

  • YO SON

    DAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG THAT SOUNDS FAMILIAR!!!!!!!!

    where the haters at now…I already SON’d them on this topic already….but good work…..kid they will be coming if you keep telling the truth….the truth that some refuse to want to recognize or acknowledge…..as if TRUE KNICKS fans are unable to remember the true MSG NYK story…….prior to the media and bias fans LIES………..

    AHAHAHAAHAHh can see right threw YOU’z…….SUSPECT

    and T Y P I C A L…………..