Knicks Have Edge in Bosh S&T?

I don’t see why people are talking about a David Lee sign and trade. Lee will be a free agent, why would he go to Toronto when there are plenty of other teams with cap space that would be a much better situation, I don’t see Toronto as being a desired destination for him.

Interesting.

However, I find it hard to believe that the Knicks are frontrunners in this. Unless TOR is sold on Lee. If that’s the case, LETS MAKE A DEAL!!! lol

But forreal… I find it hard to believe other teams won’t have better offers.

Is there any way we can give Colangelo shares in Cablevision? lol.

That’s true too…

but you gotta think of this:

What WILL Lee’s open market value be? Toronto might be offering him more money than others…

This is somewhat humorous. Orlando could easily offer a package of Gortat, Bass, and Pietrus, players all under contract for reasonable salaries. Houston has Jordan Hill, who Toronto likes, plus draft picks and players. The Lakers have Bynum.

Lee calls the shots as to where he goes. If Donnie had signed him last year at 8 million, then we could have a strong chip. The Raptors really don’t have much control over Bosh, nor do we over Lee. I can’t see Lee wanting to play in chilly, high tax Canada.

Got to remember though, Lee could get a extra year(6 yrs) in a sign and trade offer just like Bosh and Knicks have eddy curry’s expiring contract to offer as well if Toronto is looking to get out of a contract such as Turklogu or Calderon, more Turklogu i guess…just a thought.

If we sign Bosh via s & t doesn’t that mean he can get more money than Lebron?????
Biggie where you at????

I think that this is a very likey scenario. While Lee does not match Bosh’s talent, he is a good replacement. Lee has been very productive despite playing out of position at the 5. As we get closer to July 1, I am getting more confident that We will land Bosh. With Bosh, comes Lebron. Add the rise of Gallo. Sprinkle in a litle Toney Douglas D, Bill Walker Athleticism, Wilson Chandler game saving blocks (if not traded), and we have a ring by 2012…Book It!

They can’t possibly be that in love with Lee.

S&T can get a players 6 years with 10.5 % raises, rather 5 years and 8% raises. That would be based on 30% base salary of the salary cap figure.

LeBron will probably only sign for 3 years, rather than trying for 6. Shaq got more than LeBron this year and he was cool with that.

I don’t see why not. Despite the fact that Lee’s D is sus…He has improved every year Offensively. They would be bringing in an All Star power forward that has made himself into an auto double double guy and 20 point scorer.

Most players have holes in there game, not jus Lee. He deserves to get paid and should be coveted by several teams. This guy gets a little too much hate. That being said, I want to go in another direction for a power forward. But if All the FA PFs better than Lee go elswhere, I would consider brining him back if we can move him back to th 4.

hahaha, u say Chandler’s game saving blocks like he does that on the regular.. lol…

that was a great play tho.

A future HOF player doesn’t compare to Bosh.

For that he goes to he heat…….

yeah Canada has those chilly winters not warm ones like in New York or Chicago

The Knicks better hurry up and tget Chris Bosh before the Nets trade their 3rd pick for Chris Paul and lure Lebron James in the process.

*get

I know alot of Knicks fans are down on Lee. I’m one of them too.
1. He plays no D
2. He hasn’t lead our team to many wins.

But you know what, not every player CAN do that. Plus, efficiency-wise, Lee is pretty good.. one of the best in the league. Numbers wise, he’s only a little behind Bosh.

I was actually thinking if we can get a couple bruiser big men, resigning Lee may not even be a bad idea. It’s just that him as our center severely hurts our interior defense.

To me he’s more desirable than gortat, bass, pietrus.. even mo willy, jamison. Don’t get gassed on these players just cause you see them in the playoffs.

I do want Bosh almost as much as I want Lebron…..but I have to admit, I’m not liking everything coming out his mouth and out his camp…..I do find it kind of selfish and greedy that he’s soo infatuated w/ getting that one extra yr and the extra money via sign and trade, rather than just sign here or anywhere right out, which actually would give his new team more money to spend on the open market….and also all this talk now about him wanting to be “THE MAN” again….who knows if he’ll want to play second fiddle to Lebron or Wade…

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67317/20100621/bosh_wants_to_be_the_man_in_free_agency/

and there is nooo guarantee that Lee would agree to go to Toronto either….unless those rumors of Amare def leaving and Nash wanting a trade to his hometown Raptors are true…

it’s silly to think that you can win in this league alone. I don’t think Bosh can consider himself hands down better than a player like Pau Gasol, so he shouldn’t feel any sort of way about playing “2nd fiddle” to Lebron. Gasol needs Kobe. Kobe needs Gasol.

Bosh needs Lebron. Lebron needs Bosh.

Unless either of them teams up with someone of a high caliber, they are not gonna beat Kobe and Gasol anyway.

Smarten up, Bosh.

if I were the Nets I would do that in a heart beat. The Nets are probably looking for a front court man to team up with brook lopez as the main concern but probably still want to be in the discussion for Lebron. The nets have about 24 million under the cap so any trade would have to include players. If the Nets packaged lets say their third round selection, plus YI and Harris who makes 8mil for Bosh they could sign bosh and still have enough to sign Lebron to max contract. Now the problem is you are giving up Harris a top tier point guard however he is injury prone and the Nets have plenty of later draft selections to address the point guard problem. Plus, trading away Harris to sign Bosh and potentially Lebron or Wade is worth the risk and if you get Lebron you really dont need a star point guard anyway. You can afford to start a rookie. Bosh is the key and think teams have to jockey for Bosh’s services first inorder to build leverage on lebron or Wade.

We should sign and trade Lee to the Grizzlies for Zach Randolph, wait until 2011 to sign Jamal Crawford, fire D’antoni and replace him with Herb Williams and then wait until 2013 to add more pieces through the draft.

When would we get Maurice Taylor and Moochie Norris?

You forgot Malik Rose…

Teams out there will havegood offers for bosh in a s&t, but the knicks are the only team that wouldnt have to blow up their team to do it assuming lee agrees of course. but its all just a guessing game so who knows.

They could give those two the max and wait until Eddy Curry’s contract expires to sign Stephon Marbury.

I’m sure he wants the extra money he would get in a sign and trade but he also wants to help out Toronto and not just leaving them holding the bag. Like the article mentions it is a good way to not burn any bridges by helping Toronto get something of value for him leaving.

And yeah he sounds kind of like a dick saying he wants to be the man and be built around, especially since he can’t even carry a team to the playoffs like Lebron and Wade can but, I wouldn’t expect less from a guy who is demanding a max deal.

ehh, i think his not wanting to be 2nd fiddle talk was an old interview.. i’m sure he understands what’s at stake that it’s best for him to be with another star.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16528

Seeing as how we have three players and Eddy Curry under contract for next year, it looks like we already blew up the team. We will have to match contracts so other players or picks may have to head north with Lee.

I used to think we had the inside track on a S&T w/D Lee and Bosh because, Lee can run the pick and roll and not need to be a focal point BUT what will Toronto want or better yet what will they want us to take with Bosh..THE TURKISH Michael Jordan’s contract or Calderon’s?

I woundnt mind Calderon because we would get a pretty good guard who can score and dish, defense is suspect but we need a PG

well I do hope that is the case…..cause it’s pretty obvious you need AT LEAST 2 stars to win a championship and be competitive year in, year out…..as Boston w/ the Big 4 has shown, and the Lakers w/ Kobe, Gasol, Artest and Odom…..

I’m not taking anything away from Lee’s value. Next to a Brook Lopez or Andrew Bogut he could be very effective especially with his newfound midrange ability but when your starting 5 would be

Calderon
DeRozan
Hedo
Lee
Bargnani

Dwight Howard would have more blocks then that entire team combined. Lee gives you less defensively then Bosh did and how well has that worked out for them? You would think that someone a little more defensive minded would be more enticing to them.

Not true. Since we are under the cap, we don’t have to match salaries in a trade.

People are forgetting that Toronto already has a center that can’t play defense in Bargnani. Unless they trade him, there is now way they would want David Lee.

I think we are just gonna have to see what happens in the draft, because the big FA def. Will be. If we get a solid point guard (torrance) who’s numbers are comparable to john wall’s numbers and maybe pick up jarvis varnando who blocks shots like a 7 foot african our supporting cast would look a little better to big money players who might want to relocate.

would toronto be offering any money in this situation…….if it’s a sign in trade theu just have to uphold the contract that the Knicks signed him to……

I don’t see this happening, unless NY/Tor is willing to pay Lee a lot of extra money for an extra year that no other team is willing to go to. But other than that, Im guessing Lee will have better offers and opportunities than to agree to a S&T with another rebuilding team in Toronto.

it’s hard for him to be in that position more often if were getting blown out every night………..think about it……

wasnt there a post on here aleaready with them stating that they dont want lee………..

what continder will want him………

I think their are a lot of teams out there that will be will to make deals. We do have some attractive pieces as well. Most other teams aren’t as willing to part with some of their players as we are. For instance to get bosh orlando woud have to trade rashad and gortat. Something I don’t think they would be willing to do, because it would take away most their consistant outside shooting (vince doesn’t count) and it would. Take away a very good backup center who they fought to keep last year. Nets won 12 games last year. Nuff said. Chicago don’t have the pieces at all, because nobody wants deng, hinrich, and I think noah will have a lot of little ticky tack injuries banging with those big guys night in and night out. Trust me toronto won’t be looking to get punked. Now I’m not saying that we have the best pieces. Not at all. Just saying we are in a position to dump players because its known that we only have ties to maybe two or three players on our roster. I could’ve kept going but this is already turning into a book.

lol whatever happen to taylor n moochie

damn as knicks fans weve seen the worst of the worst

Actually david lee would be a nice addition to a contender because of the things he brings to the table. Rebounding, midrange shot, passing, great in the pick and roll. The guys just needs to focus on his defense and he would be one of theguys everybody wants as well. Because beside a little defense what does the other people bring that david doesn’t? Granted I would take any number of them over daivid atthis point but the guys does get better every single year. I would like to see what his skill set will be in two years. I think you know what you’re getting with the rest. I’m a knicks fan so I can get a little protective of the players on the team, but his numbers speak for them selves. Don’t come back with he had good numbers on a bad team, because so did bosh and he’s looking at max money. If you put their numbers side by side you wouldn’t be able to tell me that no contender would. Want david lee.

ahahahah yo how does lee call any shots…….if there were offers he would have signed last year with someone……..there weren’t teams lining up to sign him……they knew our situation….they could have had him easy…..how many contenders at the trade deadline were asking for him……nobody…….so the notion that he wouldn’t want to play there is ridiculous…………..those who are un bias have depicted his game to a t……..you think other teams dont see it….We have been over this time and time again……anybody in there right mind is NOT going to buy that weak notion that he was playing out of position when he didn’t even TRY on defense……..they don’t have to look any further then the chicago game in Chicago……where taj gibson a ROOKIE got a double double on him in the FIRST HALF..haahah……we started Al in the second half and put lee on miller and he got like 30 and 15 a career night…ahahahah……lee may help sell tickets HERE because some fans are attached to him because he was drafted here and other reasons as well all good……..but when we go on the road occasinal/diehard fans don’t go to the games to see lee …..like Ny’ers come and see Lebron,Wade,Kobe,Howard,CP3,Melo,Roy,jennings,Rose,Durant,westbrook.amare,bosh,Nash,D.Williams……etc etc…..so my point is he is not going to bring any team significant revenue…….so how does him and his agent hold any weight……..not buying it……like most teams(smart ones anyway)………

the fact that you would compare lee to bosh is even more reason why I shouldn’t waste time responding to you……..bosh made multiple all star appearances without Stern‘s help…..multiple playoff appearances with no notable sidekick besides for maybe1 year………gold medal Olympian……and 1 OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD(you know the guy we have been talking about for 2-3 years wants to play with him which equals leverage)

and I’m the wrong person to be talking STATS with …..the fact that you would even attempt to compare numbers when explaining there value to be comparable shows you that stats lie……..

and if contender wanted him they could have had him …..either signed him last summer or at least ASKED to trade for him at the trade deadline the past 2 years……….don’t think walsh phone was ringing to much…….

ahahahahah I forgot about moochie and his fro……ahahahhaha

I would take gortat,bass, and pietrus for lee……..

lol so true…i remember at one point when Allan Houston was hurt, Lee Nailon was our go-to guy. LEE NAILON

You may be right, but I think he could help some teams that are already good and have a bonified defensive stopper of a center in place. He might be more of a 6th man on such a team, but if the Magic are willing to pay 17 million to Rashard Lewis and can still contend then I think any team who is good could throw money at David Lee and he could help them.

BTW, I don’t want anything to do with Lee anymore. I hope beyond hope that he is gone next year. He has to make serious changes to his game to become a winning type of player, and I think in the right environment he could. Just not here. Very similar to Nate Robinson imo.

+1

lol @ bonified. That sounds very dirty.

“Bonafide” is the proper term. or Certified. Or anything like that.

See there goes another person afraid of the truth. I said that I would take bosh over lee and I wasn’t comparing the two I was just saying that they both put up good numbers on a bad team even you should be able to see that and if you want to get technical bosh’s defensive numbers weren’t better than lee’s last year. I don’t care what you say about allstar teams and don’t mention the olympics because we didn’t do squat with bosh on that team until kobe showed up. I happen to think david lee is mentally tougher than bosh will ever be and I think you know it to. By the way we can talk stats all day long because it supports my argument not yours.

but would you take gortat, pietrus, bass over lee and Will?

because that is the trade with toronto lee+will for bosh or lee+will+EC for bosh + turk if they want to get rid of turk as rumors say.

dnt talk about numbers dude…BOSH WON A DIVISION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and KOBE WAS TRASH OFFENSIVLEY on the Redeem Team what the heck are you talking about…….aahahahahhahahahaha……..yO 1

Can’t be sure that no one called to get Lee at the trade deadline. He’s a good backup plan for the Knicks and has value as a sign and trade. The Knicks were looking to get expiring contracts and that what Lee was.

If we did trade Lee, here’s a scenario for you. The Knicks don’t win 29 games and finish below Washington and/or Philly. The Utah Jazz get the first pick or second pick. It was only a few wins. Thankfully that ddn’t happen.

We will know soon enough his value. It’s clearly somewhere between trading straight up for Bosh and a guy no one wants.

huh? now toronto would have 3 PG black,calderon,harris. No way, that happens.

wouldn’t mess with him unless I was orlando….and still wouldn’t pay him more then 10……and mention above trade for him for gortat,bass.and pete…..that alone plus the draft would be a solid summer…….

and wasnt lewis a allstar in the western conference wasnt he averaging over 20points on a playoff team with ray allen……not sure ..I think so though……

+1. they probaly will want us to take back turk and his contract

they didn’t seem too concerned with defense last year.

Lee will be happy if he gets the money he is looking for. That’s pretty clear.

no I wouldn’t give up WILL no bias…….but I’m not giving up 2 starters for 3 bench players that make no sense……

why would I include WILL in a trade to t. when they hold no shots they hold no weight……they cant make demands…..if either lee or bosh refuse the trade the trade is dead not the other way around…….

and your point is?

money.

ok even if teams were calling for him why not sign him out right last offseason…there would have been no resistance on our end………I’m not here to dog lee I’m dont with that……just sayin……

who you talking to because my point was CLEAR……….

Just give Lee his money and he is gone.

+1. and we can easily do that for them by trading EC contract as well. Lee+Will+EC for bosh + turk.

+1

It would be nice if we could do Lee for bosh straight up but I doubt that is possible. We are not the only team that wants bosh.

true. but that is the best/only way to get Lebron. Bosh is no max player but if he brings Lebron then we have to go for it.

Yeah he was, back in his prime. But when Orlando signed him I think it was clear he was past his prime.

No shots at Lewis, he used to be a very good player. Just not anymore.

most people overlook how durable lee is. he hardly ever missed a game in 5 years (except at end of year 2). Can’t say the same for bosh who missed games every season and is injury prone. doen’t matter how good a player is if he doesn’t play he is no good.

it’s why I would have 2nd thoughts about wade as well.

if you look at all the great ones they were always on the floor every games with almost no exception. not that Lee is great. but still that’s very important.

past his prime he was mad young…..at least I thought…they out bidded themselves…..similar to what we did with Allen Houston……..

“most people overlook how durable lee is.”

AHAHAHAHHAHAHA thats easy to do when you dont play any DEFENSE…….he’s taken less charges every year which has been stated many of times by HaS…….
plus your forgetting about his high ankle sprain…..it was misdiagnosed and he missed like the last 2plus months when they said it was a minor sprain and he would be back in a couple of weeks the on of the few times we actually had a legit shot of making the playoffs ….then crawford got injured, then marbury I think we were dropping like fly’z…….that was like 4 years ago…….

You know there are a lot of fake ass knick fans on these sites hiding under the “I’m just being real” umbrella. I only have one thing to say to you guys take that knicks jersey off and go home. You guys are a trip. If half you guys were true blue and orange then you know you stick up for your team. True you’re not supposed to drink the cool aid but some of the hate that you guys write sounds like you’re only fans when we win. I learned along time ago that sometimes things just don’t go your way. Either for bad decisions or shit just happening. A lot of you guys sound a lot like espn and newspaper columnist. Just talking about what you read. I haven’t once seen somebody list the nets as a possible destination, espn reports on the nets “great supporting cast” and you guys are all over it. That team won twelve games. There isn’t a great young core. They have no core, they just suck. Try thinking for your selves for a change and see how that goes.

By the way most teams didnt offer lee a contractlast year because the knicks would match it. most teams had lee pegged around 7 or 8 million which the knicks would have matched in a heart beat. thus no offers.

Let’s see did we win before kobe came to the team? No. Bosh has been in the league for what 7years and out that how many times has histeam made the playoffs? Don’t say more than 3 or 4. If you do you need to leave. Last time I checked lee and lebron have the same amount of rings. None. If bosh was such a winner why can’t his teams get out of the first round. You sound like a hater dissing kobe when everybody knows what intensity kobe brought to the table. Instead of calling yourself yo son you should start calling yourself Mr. Espn

Yeah a very weak division! You’re just making this too easy! And they got their butts whipped in the playoffs.

Yeah you’re right lee just wants to get paid at this point, but to be fair so does everybody else. The only thing that separates lee’s greed from theirs is the fact that they know they’re getting atleast 16.5 mil. Lee knows he’s gonna have to scrap just to get ten. So they can go around and say “I just wanna win”. Hell I would sit pretty damn comfortable too knowing I’m gonna get that kind of money.

Because he was a RFA. The knicks could and would’ve matched anything under 10 mil. And let’s face it before last season lee wasn’t worth ten mil. I think you’ll see some offers for lee this year though!

I hear it often that david lee has a lot of holes in his game. But what are these holes? besides defense something we all pretty know already!

I meant to say bosh not lebron. Sorry fellas.

He was coming off a great season averaging over 20 a game at the time. But coming straight out of high school in 1998, 10 years in the league really takes a toll on someone.

Still a good player, but you’re right they outbidded themselves at the time. Still overpaid dramatically. I think Lee might find a similar situation to that.

Just what I said ….lee missed times in year 2 (3 years ago)…has been on the floor ever since. missed one game this year due to death in family.

defense or not, he stays on the floor every game. very few players that durable in the league.

cms you ‘re absolutely right! but this is NYC where being critical about everything is fashionable. supposed to be sophisticated.

there is no comparison between Lee’s value to a team last year and his value this year. the difference between role player and all star caliber.

He won’t command as much as other FA because it’s the first year he’s shown that kind of ability. The others have done it before. but still at 11-12 he will get some serious offers.

Yes, he didn’t play much defense on a team going nowhere because he didn’t want get hurt in a contract year. A team that refuse to give him an extension not once but twice. Can’t say I blame him.

LOYALTY IS A 2 WAY STREET.

Nothing wrong with being a Knicks true blue and orange fan, but to infer the Nets just suck, well that’s just underestimating your opponents.

The Nets have a young core, whether it’s great or is yet to be determined.

New Coach- Avery Johnson
New Owner- The 13 Billion Dollar Man

Guards- Harris, Lee, CDR (Team Opt)
Forwards- T Williams,Yi, Humphries, Boone (Qual Offer)
Center- Lopez

Then you have picks 3, 27, 31

Plus about 28 million in cap space.

They won’t suck next year.

The problem with a restricted free agent is that the former team has 7 days to determine whether to match or not. So your cap space gets tied up and you could lose a week of valuable time as other players sign. For sure, the player’s team will hang you up for the full week even if they intend to match.

It should be interesting to see what happens with Rudy Gay this year, especially if Memphis drafts a Luke Babbitt or Paul George at the 12 spot as a replacement.

UMMM WE PLAY IN THE SAME DIVISION YOU CLOWN………. YO SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!

HOW WE DO IN THE PLAYOFFS WITH LEE DID WE MAKE 2 THE SECOND ROUND…..NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
WE CANT EVEN GET TO THE FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FUCC OUTTA HERE WITH YOUR lee POM POM WAIVING AZZ……AHHAAHHHHAHHHAHAAAHAA

KICC ROCCS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“defense or not,”

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

AAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAAHHAAHAAHHAHAAHAHAH

I agree.

I’d lay 10-1 odds that Lee won’t go to Toronto.

Aside from the fact that he wants to stay in the NY area if possible, Canada has higher tax rates. The only way he would go is if the Raptors agreed to wildly overpay him to more than make up the tax disadvantage. That isn’t happening.

It’s NY or NJ for Lee. If both of those fall through, he may go to another big city, but it won’t be Toronto. WE can forget about using Lee for that sign and trade,.

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